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3 minutes ago, Toussaint said:

I know it’s a joke, but what else  can he say, other than clichés and platitudes ? He knows more than we do how bad we are top to bottom. He has a responsibility to comment after matches, he can hardly call the manager, his team mates and the club hierarchy out can he?

I can’t see him staying much longer, and before anyone says it, he hasn’t suddenly turned crap, his goals kept us up last season, this season he has an impossible task with the dross around him and Ralph losing the plot.

He is a big part of the dross.  Time to stop making excuses for a bloke getting a 100k a week and delivering very little.

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He will play 5 3 2 against Fulham and Saints will grind out a 1 0 win ! Mcarthy back in goal for me ...LIke to see Aribo up front with Adams ...Aribo started season well then went of the boil but can make something out of nothing ...S Armstrong got to be in midfield 3.. only player with any drive who can run in from deep ..If Lavia is fit then he might change formation i guess 

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Willy (assuming McCarthy still unfit)

KWP, DCC, Salisu, Perraud

Edozie, Stuart, JWP, Moi

Adams, Adam

 

I think Baz has potential but needs taking out of firing line for a while, and these next few games are time for experience and calmness.  I would also encourage less attacking play from both full backs, certainly not see them both high at the same time, and primary performance metric from them should be “how many crosses into our box were allowed to come from your side”?  Need to remember that in Mitrovic Fulham have probably best striker in air in the league.

So more of an old fashioned 442 with Moi and Sam providing width.  Ask Stuart to do partner JWP which he did well when we had injuries a couple of years ago.  This assumes Lavia is still unfit.

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1 hour ago, Saint Garrett said:

DCC has to play if we play back 3 IMO. Gives us a bit of experience in there. I hate back 3 but worth a go if Lavia cba to play.

Unfortunately none of the CBs want to play left or right CB as you can see they don’t feel comfortable in those positions, especially Salisu. 

If it's a back three then the team has to be 

 

Bazunu/Mccarthy 

KWP Bella-Kotchap DCC Salisu Perraud 

Lavia JWP

Edozie 

Adams

 

We would still probably lose but that's the team we should play. 

 

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16 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

If it's a back three then the team has to be 

 

Bazunu/Mccarthy 

KWP Bella-Kotchap DCC Salisu Perraud 

Lavia JWP

Edozie 

Adams

 

We would still probably lose but that's the team we should play. 

 

I admire the optimism of going into a game with only 10 players when we'll struggle to get a point with 11. 

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1 minute ago, The Cat said:

I admire the optimism of going into a game with only 10 players when we'll struggle to get a point with 11. 

Isn’t it a sad indictment of how shit we are that I looked at that line-up a good 2 or 3 times and thought ‘yeah, looks about right’ 😂

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The way I see it, we have a lot of players who are not really good enough so we need to build the team around the core of players who have shown they are capable of performing consistently to a good level in the PL, or who have good credentials to do so and are not proven failures.

Those players are:

- KWP

- ABK

- Salisu

- DCC

- JWP

- Lavia

- Stuart Armstrong

- Adams

So,

that's a back 3, a midfield 3, one of the wing backs and one of the forwards sorted.

Perraud isn't a disaster so can be included. When Tino is back we have the option of KWP on the left.

Then we should be looking to bring in a better GK and a striker to partner Adams. Ideally another combative CM too.

I can't believe that the following isn't good enough to stay up with a competent manager:

---------New GK (or McCarthy)------

--------ABK-----DCC----Salisu------

KWP----------Lavia------------Perraud

----------JWP-------Armstrong

----------Adams----Striker--------

Bring Tella back, Edozie looks promising. We have 4th CB cover with Lyanco. 

Striker signing is key.

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2 minutes ago, benjii said:

The way I see it, we have a lot of players who are not really good enough so we need to build the team around the core of players who have shown they are capable of performing consistently to a good level in the PL, or who have good credentials to do so and are not proven failures.

Those players are:

- KWP

- ABK

- Salisu

- DCC

- JWP

- Lavia

- Stuart Armstrong

- Adams

So,

that's a back 3, a midfield 3, one of the wing backs and one of the forwards sorted.

Perraud isn't a disaster so can be included. When Tino is back we have the option of KWP on the left.

Then we should be looking to bring in a better GK and a striker to partner Adams. Ideally another combative CM too.

I can't believe that the following isn't good enough to stay up with a competent manager:

---------New GK (or McCarthy)------

--------ABK-----DCC----Salisu------

KWP----------Lavia------------Perraud

----------JWP-------Armstrong

----------Adams----Striker--------

Bring Tella back, Edozie looks promising. We have 4th CB cover with Lyanco. 

Striker signing is key.

Agreed that's a much better team than a by we have put out recently. We need to know the status of Lavia, it is key to doing anything this year. 

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3 hours ago, austsaint said:

He is a big part of the dross.  Time to stop making excuses for a bloke getting a 100k a week and delivering very little.

He’s still better than anything else we have there, he just isn’t suited to a two man midfield unless his partner is specifically defensively aware

He’s a good player operating in a system that doesn’t suit him

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On 27/12/2022 at 17:25, ally_uk said:

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I would take it back to basics and go with a 4-4-2 

I couldn't find Edozie in the database so swap Ely with him.

I'd play Stuart Armstrong and Aribo from get go with Aribo instructed to run and support the strikers. 

Prowse on the right wing, Edozie on the left whip the balls into the box.

I would also start Mara up top with Adams why? Because Armstrong is useless and I think Mara technically has something about him. 

Conclusions Jesus our squad is weak how the hell did we end up in this predicament? Desperately crying out for a tough tackling ho nonsense def mid.... oh that's right we had one 🤣🤣🤣

My word. Amstrong and Aribo as a centre midfield pairing. Have you ever seen Aribo play? 

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On 28/12/2022 at 00:52, SaturdayGirl said:

Ralph was the best at getting a stable team with no budget to survive the Premiership . Those that attacked him and created his downfall now have to ask themselves as to why after so much stabilaty he is now gone . Remembering the days pre Ralph were a nitemare  with relegation comimg every season . Yous guys that  called for his resignation have got to ask yourselves where the grass was or is greener . 2023 looks grim for Saints and the actions are well ahead of what NJ can salvage from here if anything . Probanly nothing from the last game !

The same Ralph who when he was sacked had us in the relegation zone?

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33 minutes ago, DT said:

Just saw the end of NJ's presser. Kept saying 'it's going to be a tough game' over and over. We've made a terrible mistake, haven't we?

Do you know if there Is somewhere to watch this please? Couldn’t see it with a (admittedly cursory) glance at the OS

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Charlie Wayman

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34 minutes ago, DT said:

Just saw the end of NJ's presser. Kept saying 'it's going to be a tough game' over and over. We've made a terrible mistake, haven't we?

We have. Not sure there's an easy off-ramp either having just paid off the Austrian Flopp.

Besides which whoever up in their ivory tower is going to put their hands up for the biggest cock-up in Saints history.

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21 hours ago, egg said:

Lyanco in midfield is a crazy idea. He's a CB, and an average one at that.

JWP is not a wide player.  

ABK looked unfit and overweight in the Lincoln game. If he's match ready I'd start him over Lyanco. 

Lyanco isnt a good CB and i agree with you there but we need someone in there to play that Romeru role to shield the defence and let our midfield attack with a bit more freedom, we have tried and tested all our midfielders which none can do that job at all well, so why not try a CB there, someone who can pass the ball and is comfortable on the ball going fwd, Lyanco does have those attributes, even if its just for a few games, its better than having jwp there again who looks awful there.

Yes jwp isnt a wide player but Stu is a far better no.10 than Jwp and the latter can put in a decent cross or 2 into the box, again its all about getting the balance right, jwp has been awful in the middle this year so its either him or lavia alongside a dcm, i know who id rather have. I could of suggested that Aribo plays rightside but then everyone would go mad because mr wonderboy isnt in the team. Sometimes doing the unthinkable might work!  

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On 28/12/2022 at 03:44, niceandfriendly said:

Elyounoussi on the other hand offers absolutely zilch and playing him effectively leaves us with 10 men from the start. A woeful footballer vs a lazy one. 

This, sir, is total b*ll*cks.  Elyounoussi is our most creative forward and has had several very good assistd to his name this season.

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4 hours ago, benjii said:

The way I see it, we have a lot of players who are not really good enough so we need to build the team around the core of players who have shown they are capable of performing consistently to a good level in the PL, or who have good credentials to do so and are not proven failures.

Those players are:

- KWP

- ABK

- Salisu

- DCC

- JWP

- Lavia

- Stuart Armstrong

- Adams

So,

that's a back 3, a midfield 3, one of the wing backs and one of the forwards sorted.

Perraud isn't a disaster so can be included. When Tino is back we have the option of KWP on the left.

Then we should be looking to bring in a better GK and a striker to partner Adams. Ideally another combative CM too.

I can't believe that the following isn't good enough to stay up with a competent manager:

---------New GK (or McCarthy)------

--------ABK-----DCC----Salisu------

KWP----------Lavia------------Perraud

----------JWP-------Armstrong

----------Adams----Striker--------

Bring Tella back, Edozie looks promising. We have 4th CB cover with Lyanco. 

Striker signing is key.

3 at the back doesn't work for us.

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1 hour ago, DrunkenSaint said:

Lyanco isnt a good CB and i agree with you there but we need someone in there to play that Romeru role to shield the defence and let our midfield attack with a bit more freedom, we have tried and tested all our midfielders which none can do that job at all well, so why not try a CB there, someone who can pass the ball and is comfortable on the ball going fwd, Lyanco does have those attributes, even if its just for a few games, its better than having jwp there again who looks awful there.

Yes jwp isnt a wide player but Stu is a far better no.10 than Jwp and the latter can put in a decent cross or 2 into the box, again its all about getting the balance right, jwp has been awful in the middle this year so its either him or lavia alongside a dcm, i know who id rather have. I could of suggested that Aribo plays rightside but then everyone would go mad because mr wonderboy isnt in the team. Sometimes doing the unthinkable might work!  

If you put Lyanco in midfield he will be like a headless chicken launching himself into tackles he can't possibly win and would probably see red before half time. He'd try too hard.

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Whoever is in goal will drop at least one clanger. Our back four will fall asleep at least twice. Any chance falling to Che Adam's will be fired straight at their keeper, and Lavia will still be 'injured' and sold the next day. Fulham 3-0 

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It’s going to be another bad day and another nail in the proverbial coffin. For all the reasons mentioned already, but mainly because the the Manager has no clue how to win a game and the players available offer no escape. Selling Lavia is probably the only way money will be available for transfers, but too late to make a difference anyway. Bleak mid-Winter. Score: 3-0 Fulham.

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2 hours ago, DrunkenSaint said:

Lyanco isnt a good CB and i agree with you there but we need someone in there to play that Romeru role 

I get the clamour for a 'destroyer' type but the difference is that Romeu came through the La Masia youth academy at Barcelona. He was so much more than just an aggressive physical presence and tackler, he was also unbelievably good at receiving the ball, playing out of tight spaces and making a successful short pass. He knitted our midfield together in a way that none of our current midfielders, with the possible exception of Lavia, who appears to be permanently unavailable, can do.

IMO that's a massive component of what we're missing with Romeu gone and Lavia out. I'm sure Lyanco would work hard and try and make tackles, but I'm pretty sure he wouldn't add much in that additional respect. People tended to think Romeu was a thug because he looked like a 16th century gaoler, but he was a bloody good footballer. 

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2 hours ago, DrunkenSaint said:

Lyanco isnt a good CB and i agree with you there but we need someone in there to play that Romeru role to shield the defence and let our midfield attack with a bit more freedom, we have tried and tested all our midfielders which none can do that job at all well, so why not try a CB there, someone who can pass the ball and is comfortable on the ball going fwd, Lyanco does have those attributes, even if its just for a few games, its better than having jwp there again who looks awful there.

You post made me think about David Luiz. Lyanco is very similar player. Flamboyant, great on the ball (for a CB), at times he looks fantastic when nipping in snd intercepting stuff, but equally his recklessness and diving in leaves the side badly exposed. I seem to recall Luiz looked pretty good when moved forward into that holding role, but some reason Chelsea always seemed to keen to move him back to CB where he just was not the answer. I don't like players playing out of position, but as with Pele many moons ago, needs must and it might be worth trying.

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2 hours ago, saintwbu said:

I think we need Stu Armstrong in CM if he’s fit - Diallo and AMN just are not good enough, Armstrong has done alright in there in the past. 

He works hard, but positionally he ain't great. He does look to break the lines, which we badly need someone to do, but he can leave you a little exposed. We need to up the energy in that part of the pitch, so maybe a combination of him, JWP and Lyanco might be a solution of sorts.

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33 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

It won't be pretty, but we'll get a 1 0 victory. Crystal ball knows that Che gets the assist, but is unclear if it's for a SA shot, or a knock on for a Salisu header from a corner.

Absolutely no chance we keep a clean sheet 

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19 minutes ago, Midfield_General said:

I get the clamour for a 'destroyer' type but the difference is that Romeu came through the La Masia youth academy at Barcelona. He was so much more than just an aggressive physical presence and tackler, he was also unbelievably good at receiving the ball, playing out of tight spaces and making a successful short pass. He knitted our midfield together in a way that none of our current midfielders, with the possible exception of Lavia, who appears to be permanently unavailable, can do.

IMO that's a massive component of what we're missing with Romeu gone and Lavia out. I'm sure Lyanco would work hard and try and make tackles, but I'm pretty sure he wouldn't add much in that additional respect. People tended to think Romeu was a thug because he looked like a 16th century gaoler, but he was a bloody good footballer. 

Absolutely perfect description. Like all good central midfielders he ha that `Scholes-like' ability to position his body so he can just slide out of trouble despite an opponent being all over him. I doubt Lyanco can do that, but we are getting so little out of Diallo, we may need to sacrifice some of that ability on the ball until Lavia returns. 

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14 minutes ago, Chez said:

Absolutely perfect description. Like all good central midfielders he ha that `Scholes-like' ability to position his body so he can just slide out of trouble despite an opponent being all over him. I doubt Lyanco can do that, but we are getting so little out of Diallo, we may need to sacrifice some of that ability on the ball until Lavia returns. 

I dont know he has done quite a few sexy turns this season, i'd give him a go ahead of the rest, we have 5 subs so can always replace.

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I am certainly not an advocate of trying to play CB's in CDM but it's got so bad I wouldn't actually mind giving Lyanco a go in there. At least he has a bit of mobility and is decent enough on the ball. Only if there's two ahead of him though, it would be a disaster in a 4-4-2 for example. 

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5 hours ago, Charlie Wayman said:

We have. Not sure there's an easy off-ramp either having just paid off the Austrian Flopp.

Besides which whoever up in their ivory tower is going to put their hands up for the biggest cock-up in Saints history.

Someone has to though, (put their hand up).   The off ramp has to be a quick, decisive decision to get Jones out of the place.  Crystal Palace did it a couple of seasons ago after four matches, and that was with a bloke who had a glittering record as a player and a better Coaching/Management background.   Another month of this and there's probably no road back.

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A number of 3-0 defeats predicted here. If that happens (and it wouldn't be a surprise) then SR have to sack Wigley II straight after the final whistle, along with the clown(s) responsible for choosing him.

And while they're at it, sack Semmens for the lack of a summer striker signing. If he's also responsible for choosing Wigley II he should be re-hired straight after his sacking, so he can be immediately be sacked again.

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3 hours ago, Harry_SFC said:

I am certainly not an advocate of trying to play CB's in CDM but it's got so bad I wouldn't actually mind giving Lyanco a go in there. At least he has a bit of mobility and is decent enough on the ball. Only if there's two ahead of him though, it would be a disaster in a 4-4-2 for example. 

The most incisive runs and good passes against Brighton came from Lyanco. He's worth a go....

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