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hypochondriac

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1 minute ago, coalman said:

And to be fair to Blackmore he offered him questions in the interview after the game yesterday which would've allowed Jones to put a positive interpretation onto it. He didn't exactly go after him.

It's interesting listening to Adams reaction after that interview. I think he was incredibly shocked at Jones and his answers and maybe that has prompted Blackmore' s candour today. 

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Another angle on his comments (i.e pandering to people, having to work with the players strengths we had) could be a dig at our transfers? We will never know what goes on behind the scenes, but what are the chances that he put a load of Luton players on his wish list and we said no? Bree feels like a bit of a cheap compromise, but was probably as far as we were going to go.

Honestly wouldn't surprise me. Only Nathan Jones would want Adebayo, Lansbury, Lockyer instead of proven internationals. Limited players who he knows.

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14 minutes ago, Forester said:

Trying to be dispassionate about things isn’t easy.  So here goes and am expecting some criticism!

- what Jones diagnoses as the problem, and has been talking about since he came here, is absolute right.  We HAVE been leaking goals like a sieve when the ball is crossed into our box for a long time, and we have lacked a cutting edge (“potency”) probably for two seasons now, exacerbated by entering this season with one fewer striker than we had even last year

- Prior to this week against Newcastle and Brentford, I have seen no improvement in attacking play since Ralph.  But I has witnessed an increase in work rate and better defensive organisation so that we had been averaging one goal conceded since Xmas, which should (and has) given us opportunities to win games in all competitions.  I was giving Jones credit for seemingly beginning to fix two of the three problems.  So while it wasn’t great watching, we were improving, we did beat three Premier League sides in a week, and it sounded and looked as if the players were behind him

- I have absolutely no time for some of our so called “Premier League Stars” who have under performed for a long time under different managers, and in some cases show a demonstrable lack of work rate on the pitch and/or concentration level.  And so pleasing players or “pandering” is not something he ever should have or should now feel the need to do.

- However,  I fear this week may have seen Jones literally pull out the pin of the grenade on his own top flight career.  Given the defensive progress we were making, which was real, why change from back four up at Newcastle, including two players making their first appearance under him?  

- I think Jones deserves huge credit for a great job at Luton on a tiny budget, and people generally under rate how hard it is to succeed at that level.  Championship manager of the year is rightly something he is proud of.  And it was fair to point this out when appointed, and in particular when he faced questions about his modest background.  But after having been at Saints for nearly three months you cannot keep on banging on about old war stories.  It just pisses people off after a while, and in particular when you seek to hold yourself up above everyone else who you want and need to be loyal to you.

- Whatever, and whoever, he was targeting his comments about yesterday was just a disaster.  It was clearly deliberate, as with slightly different words he did the same in interviews with Solent, Match of the day, Sky and the written media.  All this does is basically highlight splits and division in the club.  Where has that ever been a wise strategy non any company, let alone football.

So I will be surprised if he is still hear next weekend,  but if he is we need fans to tune out of the soap opera and just support the team as stakes are too high

In what way are we better under Jones ?
 

Everything has gone backwards

edit - Just did some very hurried maths to check I wasn’t being mental but we picked up more points, scored more and conceded less per game on average under Ralph

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8 minutes ago, Forester said:

Trying to be dispassionate about things isn’t easy.  So here goes and am expecting some criticism!

- what Jones diagnoses as the problem, and has been talking about since he came here, is absolute right.  We HAVE been leaking goals like a sieve when the ball is crossed into our box for a long time, and we have lacked a cutting edge (“potency”) probably for two seasons now, exacerbated by entering this season with one fewer striker than we had even last year

- Prior to this week against Newcastle and Brentford, I have seen no improvement in attacking play since Ralph.  But I has witnessed an increase in work rate and better defensive organisation so that we had been averaging one goal conceded since Xmas, which should (and has) given us opportunities to win games in all competitions.  I was giving Jones credit for seemingly beginning to fix two of the three problems.  So while it wasn’t great watching, we were improving, we did beat three Premier League sides in a week, and it sounded and looked as if the players were behind him

- I have absolutely no time for some of our so called “Premier League Stars” who have under performed for a long time under different managers, and in some cases show a demonstrable lack of work rate on the pitch and/or concentration level.  And so pleasing players or “pandering” is not something he ever should have or should now feel the need to do.

- However,  I fear this week may have seen Jones literally pull out the pin of the grenade on his own top flight career.  Given the defensive progress we were making, which was real, why change from back four up at Newcastle, including two players making their first appearance under him?  

- I think Jones deserves huge credit for a great job at Luton on a tiny budget, and people generally under rate how hard it is to succeed at that level.  Championship manager of the year is rightly something he is proud of.  And it was fair to point this out when appointed, and in particular when he faced questions about his modest background.  But after having been at Saints for nearly three months you cannot keep on banging on about old war stories.  It just pisses people off after a while, and in particular when you seek to hold yourself up above everyone else who you want and need to be loyal to you.

- Whatever, and whoever, he was targeting his comments about yesterday was just a disaster.  It was clearly deliberate, as with slightly different words he did the same in interviews with Solent, Match of the day, Sky and the written media.  All this does is basically highlight splits and division in the club.  Where has that ever been a wise strategy non any company, let alone football.

So I will be surprised if he is still hear next weekend,  but if he is we need fans to tune out of the soap opera and just support the team as stakes are too high

Strange that the 'better defensive organisation' disappeared the moment he introduced Janny B back into the mix along with the reincarnation of the old failing of conceding one goal followed quickly by another.

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Harry_SFC

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2 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Another angle on his comments (i.e pandering to people, having to work with the players strengths we had) could be a dig at our transfers? We will never know what goes on behind the scenes, but what are the chances that he put a load of Luton players on his wish list and we said no? Bree feels like a bit of a cheap compromise, but was probably as far as we were going to go.

Honestly wouldn't surprise me. Only Nathan Jones would want Adebayo, Lansbury, Lockyer instead of proven internationals. Limited players who he knows.

I think it's to do with Selles and certain players. 

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1 hour ago, Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd said:

Don't say I didn't try to tell you what he was like. 

Heya Sidney me ol' mucker,

Any chance you could repeat that on here every day for the foreseeable future, just in case we all forget? It'll also help the forum's medal allocation committee at the end of the season to ensure the right people get the recognition that they crave... oops, sorry... that they deserve...

Thanks in advance 👍

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1 minute ago, Harry_SFC said:

I think it's to do with Selles and certain players. 

Selles was as I understood another handpicked by SR (Ankersen). 
 

Whichever way you look at it all roads lead back to SR and the board for the current fuck up. 

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5 minutes ago, InvictaSaint said:

This is the most clinical, clear and damning bit for me….

 

 

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Would Adam have come out with such a damning assessment if he wasn't certain that SR were about to get rid of Jones, given he knows he'd have to face him in a press conference in the not too distant future and how awkward that would now be...?

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Makes you wonder if Adam Blackmore has almost been allowed to put this out there for Sport Republic, “prior to” his inevitable sacking.

Or Blackmore is now just saying it as it is, not as an independent media correspondent, but as a football fan looking from the outside in. It’s a shitshow.

There’s something about it which makes you think he might know more than he’s letting on currently, but for him to come out and say this about a bloke, he knows full well he’ll be interviewing face to face next Saturday, says a lot.

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14 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

He was quoted yesterday as saying that we will see a Nathan Jones team in a few weeks and you will see what his game is, I'm not sure if anyone missed that. He was obviously referring to Luton coming to town, I'm totally convinced it was nothing to do with any changes he's going to make to us.

That's pretty disrespectful on Rob Edwards to start with and equally another example of him living in the fucking past.

I don't expect Rob Edwards cares. He's a much better manager than Jones and the Luton players and fans know it.

 

Rob Edwards' first 8 games at Luton = 6 wins

Nathan Jones' last 8 games at Luton = 3 wins

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I don't think Adam Blackmore knows anything, I think he's just saying it how it is, he's not said anything untrue, just facts. I think the fact it's 1.36pm and he's still here means he's not going anywhere. It'll make for an interesting Solent interview next week. Although, NJ will probably just boycott it. 

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I don't think Adam Blackmore knows anything, I think he's just saying it how it is, he's not said anything untrue, just facts. I think the fact it's 1.36pm and he's still here means he's not going anywhere. It'll make for an interesting Solent interview next week. Although, NJ will probably just boycott it. 

To be fair Ralph was sacked first thing on a Monday morning. If he is still manager at lunch time tomorrow then I'll be concerned. 

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Also, he said yesterday that he doesn't see the his team in that performance and that things haven't changed etc.

He's been banging on about his 50% win rate and that we played well in all games *even* the Forest game... He's talking bollocks, he doesn't know his arse from his elbow. 

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30 minutes ago, Smirking_Saint said:

Its quite the thread to put out if cogs aren’t moving IMO

Not often anybody from the established media sources come out in active defiance of the club at that level

Even Tanswell sat on his Ralph info until the club allowed him to release it

Not heard much from Tanswell yet. Would be good to get his take on things. 

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7 minutes ago, Forester said:

Don’t think you have read the post, which I accept was long!  Hint, it is in the second bullet! 

I read it…

Hint - We’ve let an average of 2 goals in a game since his hire

Defensively I actually think we’re worse from an organisation POV tbh.. and it gets even more horrendous whrn you ponder why you’d invite pressure against a defensive unit struggling to defend effectively 

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Don’t think Blackmore comments mean anything other than it just being his thoughts - don’t believe it means he knows Jones is being sacked.

It’s no secret Blackmore hasn’t had the same access he had before SR took over and Semmens had his wings clipped, so I don’t think he’s fussed about what he says.

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29 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Going by a few things he's said recently and not being invited to the fans forum, it wouldn't surprise me if he's had a bit of a falling out with the club. 

He alluded to something on the radio recently that implied he had been shut out by Semmens who was his source of a lot of behind the scenes info. Wouldn’t be surprised if it were SR that made that decision and his post today is in retaliation to that.

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36 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Going by a few things he's said recently and not being invited to the fans forum, it wouldn't surprise me if he's had a bit of a falling out with the club. 

I suspect the Doswell interview put a strain on his relationship with the club. 

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4 minutes ago, Smirking_Saint said:

I read it…

Hint - We’ve let an average of 2 goals in a game since his hire

Defensively I actually think we’re worse from an organisation POV tbh.. and it gets even more horrendous whrn you ponder why you’d invite pressure against a defensive unit struggling to defend effectively 

"Southampton have conceded 53 goals in their past 27 Premier League matches, keeping just one clean sheet in that time."

If this doesn't change right now we are doomed whoever is in charge.

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14 minutes ago, SaintLondon said:

I don't think Adam Blackmore knows anything, I think he's just saying it how it is, he's not said anything untrue, just facts. I think the fact it's 1.36pm and he's still here means he's not going anywhere. It'll make for an interesting Solent interview next week. Although, NJ will probably just boycott it. 

Ah, well with the greatest of respect our Nathan doesn’t listen to outside press so he should speak to Adam Blackmore like normal… 👀🤣

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A bit surprised / depressed to see 5/1 still widely available - albeit I guess in small stakes.

This guy is just a horrible person. Now, we could all likely tolerate that to an extent if the horrible / talent ratio was there...but not only is he one thoroughly grim dude, he's also utterly crap at his job as well.

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2 minutes ago, Toadhall Saint said:

He’s out a piece up in the Athletic - seems just a rehash if the questions etc from yesterday. Nothing new and from what I read no real comment unlike AB.

Cheers just read it. A few interesting bits about some of the hierarchy disputing his stated record and allusions to maybe getting rid at the end. Hard to know what the board will do but we should know for definite by Tuesday with the forum. 

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A bit surprised / depressed to see 5/1 still widely available - albeit I guess in small stakes.

This guy is just a horrible person. Now, we could all likely tolerate that to an extent if the horrible / talent ratio was there...but not only is he one thoroughly grim dude, he's also utterly crap at his job as well.

To an extent? I couldn't care less if he's a horrible person. Fergie wasn't a particularly likable person for most of his management career. He needs to go for his ridiculous comments and inept ability to do the job. I'm quite happy to have a horrible person who gets results.

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57 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Going by a few things he's said recently and not being invited to the fans forum, it wouldn't surprise me if he's had a bit of a falling out with the club. 

I might be wrong but I don't think that he ever was going to be at the Forum because I believe that it is a club run thing rather than a combined Radio Solent one. It will be interesting to see if the Forum actually goes ahead after the events of yesterday. Any body got tickets? Have they heard any more about it? 

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