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coalman

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6 minutes ago, wooley7 said:

It is difficult to find positives yesterday but if there was 1 thing you could be positive about was the 18 year old in the middle of the park. You saw a quality player and, at the time he went off, the only player that looked like being able to unlock the defence with a pass.

Keep him on. He has to learn to still be effective while on a card. Viera didn’t go off when he was booked or Keane or… He was playing well, trust him, if he fucks up I’m sure he would learn from it.  We need Lavia if there is any hope of survival, this could have been a good show of trust from the manager to a young player but has ended up with this!

 

The only argument you could think of for taking him off was that we don't want him to get injured again. When Lavia got injured under Ralph the pattern of the team fell apart over the next few weeks. I wonder what would've happened if he hadn't been out injured for so long and whether Ralph would still be here. And, yes, he is that important to the way Saints play.

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In terms of influence over the manager - Jones clearly stated in his first interview  that SR and him sit down and analysis stats over a block of games not just after every game. When your sat down with your bosses they dont need to say something specific for you to understand what they want you to do. To me its clear they want to follow a playing model like Brentford and use player recruitment for investment purposes. 

I dont think any decent manager would work under these circumstances and my concern is we will get another yes man creating the same confusing mess that Ralph ended up as and Jones currently is.

Ankerson has achieved nothing at this club yet and I think the problems stem from him

Would be good to challenge him on this at the fans forum

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1 minute ago, coalman said:

The only argument you could think of for taking him off was that we don't want him to get injured again. When Lavia got injured under Ralph the pattern of the team feel apart over the next few weeks. I wonder what would've happened if he hadn't been out injured for so long and whether Ralph would still be here. And, yes, he is that important to the way Saints play.

I know you are not defending him and that does need to be a consideration but….. 

That is not the reason Jones gave. We need to manage Lavia 100% but by using judgement not just saying whatever the state of the game and Lavia, take him off after 60 minutes.

As I said though, that isn’t the reason Jones gave, He is on a yellow and, oh yeah, it’s not like he was playing that well either!

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17 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Yes, for sure fans have vent frustration of many years of crap - but I don't think it's fair to say that we're just giving him the brunt of all that het up frustration. He's bringing this all on himself, not just from losing games, but from what he's saying and how he's acting. He's single handily alienated the entire fan base, coaching staff and a group of first team players in one foul swoop.

The only positive you can put on this guy is that he's united people.

The psychology around his recruitment is also interesting, this wasn't a job he applied for begging us to give him a chance, it was Saints that went after him and from what I understand it was us begging him to come. Maybe deep down he knows it was the wrong decision to take the job, must be regretting it 

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4 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

I wonder how Sport Republic spin all this if we stick with Jones and if we get relegated. 🤣

"Sports Republic remain committed to a long term plan of investment in youth and providing opportunity to those whose metrics indicate high potential. We have faith that results will soon match our model and our customer base will soon see the positive outcomes on the pitch."

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2 minutes ago, Colinjb said:

"Sports Republic remain committed to a long term plan of investment in youth and providing opportunity to those whose metrics indicate high potential. We have faith that results will soon match our model and our customer base will soon see the positive outcomes on the pitch."

And we have some exciting wristband lightshows coming soon that have never been seen before in a stadium. 

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2 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said:

Carnage at the training ground this morning, 20 man brawl. 👀 nice. 

NJ: "Great morning of training, asked for aggression from my players, they delivered....."
AB: "And the black eye you are now sporting....?"

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Isn’t the whole moneyball thing all about getting some metrics to measure performance which enable you to find some unappreciated talents everyone is missing.

Of course, it does rather depend on getting the right metrics. On managers, it looks like they might have failed to include some crucial aspects such as something to measure 

- ability to motivate and inspire premiership level players

- basic post match interview performance not leading to further alienating players and fans

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A good friend of mine and fellow season ticket holder who lives near Yeovil knows Jones from his days there. When he was appointed he could not believe what the club were doing. He predicted more or less how things would pan out. I was prepared to give Jones the benefit of doubt. Oh how wrong I was. Unless SR act swiftly I fear the worst. The fan's forum will be interesting unless it is manipulated as some predict.

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11 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said:

Carnage at the training ground this morning, 20 man brawl. 👀 nice. 

I imagine there was a coming together with a couple, and then everyone piled in to try and separate it, so it looked worse than it was.

Would expect emotions running high this morning, certainly after Jones has thrown everyone under the bus. Got a feeling Selles was part of it, not sure why but he strikes me as someone who has had enough of all this.

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1 minute ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

The full thread.

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very interesting. That's Adam saying they have to sack him now. Considering he will be tasked with interviewing him this week if that doesn't happen, I expect he knows that something is going on. 

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Lvery interesting. That's Adam saying they have to sack him now. Considering he will be tasked with interviewing him this week if that doesn't happen, I expect he knows that something is going on. 

That’s a very daring synopsis by Blackmore there, looks like the writing is on the wall.

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What Adam says is true, I can't see how he can stay in place. SR have put their money where their mouth is, but their decisions thus far have been erratic and horrendous.

A big way of fixing that would be admitting they made a mistake and reverse this decision. If they sit on this decision it's not just this season it's going to erode, the toxicity will build and will take years to leave us if we continue on this path to try and save face.

We need to think about next season now and attempt to build a positive environment to take us into it, we're down so we just need to prepare for the next season. You don't prepare for that with a manager who won't be in charge next season, it's like delaying the inevitable and pouring more and more fuel on the existing raging fire. They need to start dampening that fire down now so that we can start to rebuild next year, we can't still be putting out fires in the Championship.

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1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

very interesting. That's Adam saying they have to sack him now. Considering he will be tasked with interviewing him this week if that doesn't happen, I expect he knows that something is going on. 

Its quite the thread to put out if cogs aren’t moving IMO

Not often anybody from the established media sources come out in active defiance of the club at that level

Even Tanswell sat on his Ralph info until the club allowed him to release it

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Just now, Grim Reaper said:

That’s a very daring synopsis by Blackmore there, looks like the writing is on the wall.

I'm very surprised by "Sports Republic have made a mistake and need to address it". I wouldn't have guessed he would be that definitive. It must be fascinating to hear what he has to say in private. 

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Just now, Smirking_Saint said:

Its quite the thread to put out if cogs aren’t moving IMO

Not often anybody from the established media sources come out in active defiance of the club at that level

Even Tanswell sat on his Ralph info until the club allowed him to release it

Going by a few things he's said recently and not being invited to the fans forum, it wouldn't surprise me if he's had a bit of a falling out with the club. 

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Just now, Convict Colony said:

My Luton mate is hoping Jones will stay long enough to play them in the cup.

He was quoted yesterday as saying that we will see a Nathan Jones team in a few weeks and you will see what his game is, I'm not sure if anyone missed that. He was obviously referring to Luton coming to town, I'm totally convinced it was nothing to do with any changes he's going to make to us.

That's pretty disrespectful on Rob Edwards to start with and equally another example of him living in the fucking past.

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Just now, S-Clarke said:

He was quoted yesterday as saying that we will see a Nathan Jones team in a few weeks and you will see what his game is, I'm not sure if anyone missed that. He was obviously referring to Luton coming to town, I'm totally convinced it was nothing to do with any changes he's going to make to us.

That's pretty disrespectful on Rob Edwards to start with and equally another example of him living in the fucking past.

He'd probably like us to lose that game then he can say "see this is what my team can do". 

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Trying to be dispassionate about things isn’t easy.  So here goes and am expecting some criticism!

- what Jones diagnoses as the problem, and has been talking about since he came here, is absolute right.  We HAVE been leaking goals like a sieve when the ball is crossed into our box for a long time, and we have lacked a cutting edge (“potency”) probably for two seasons now, exacerbated by entering this season with one fewer striker than we had even last year

- Prior to this week against Newcastle and Brentford, I have seen no improvement in attacking play since Ralph.  But I has witnessed an increase in work rate and better defensive organisation so that we had been averaging one goal conceded since Xmas, which should (and has) given us opportunities to win games in all competitions.  I was giving Jones credit for seemingly beginning to fix two of the three problems.  So while it wasn’t great watching, we were improving, we did beat three Premier League sides in a week, and it sounded and looked as if the players were behind him

- I have absolutely no time for some of our so called “Premier League Stars” who have under performed for a long time under different managers, and in some cases show a demonstrable lack of work rate on the pitch and/or concentration level.  And so pleasing players or “pandering” is not something he ever should have or should now feel the need to do.

- However,  I fear this week may have seen Jones literally pull out the pin of the grenade on his own top flight career.  Given the defensive progress we were making, which was real, why change from back four up at Newcastle, including two players making their first appearance under him?  

- I think Jones deserves huge credit for a great job at Luton on a tiny budget, and people generally under rate how hard it is to succeed at that level.  Championship manager of the year is rightly something he is proud of.  And it was fair to point this out when appointed, and in particular when he faced questions about his modest background.  But after having been at Saints for nearly three months you cannot keep on banging on about old war stories.  It just pisses people off after a while, and in particular when you seek to hold yourself up above everyone else who you want and need to be loyal to you.

- Whatever, and whoever, he was targeting his comments about yesterday was just a disaster.  It was clearly deliberate, as with slightly different words he did the same in interviews with Solent, Match of the day, Sky and the written media.  All this does is basically highlight splits and division in the club.  Where has that ever been a wise strategy non any company, let alone football.

So I will be surprised if he is still hear next weekend,  but if he is we need fans to tune out of the soap opera and just support the team as stakes are too high

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1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

He'd probably like us to lose that game then he can say "see this is what my team can do". 

In any other circumstances, I would never believe that anyone who has climbed the ranks to become a PL manager could be capable of such childish pettiness. Not even Ian Holloway, as much of an abrasive prick as he could be.

But it genuinely would not surprise me with Mad Nate. The guy is unhinged and not on this planet. If SR genuinely cannot see that he needs to be removed immediately before he causes any more damage to this club, then any hope I still had that they might actually be able to take us forward will finally evaporate.

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Well done Adam Blackmore. It’s there for everyone to see but still a surprise to see him being that damning. He’d have to be that sure that Jones is a dead man walking to spell it out like that. 
 

Hopefully SR can be man enough to admit their mistake and try to unite everyone who’s going to remain at the club ASAP, will get very ugly if they wait. 

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1 minute ago, Jack said:

Well done Adam Blackmore. It’s there for everyone to see but still a surprise to see him being that damning. He’d have to be that sure that Jones is a dead man walking to spell it out like that. 
 

Hopefully SR can be man enough to admit their mistake and try to unite everyone who’s going to remain at the club ASAP, will get very ugly if they wait. 

And to be fair to Blackmore he offered him questions in the interview after the game yesterday which would've allowed Jones to put a positive interpretation onto it. He didn't exactly go after him.

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9 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

He was quoted yesterday as saying that we will see a Nathan Jones team in a few weeks and you will see what his game is, I'm not sure if anyone missed that. He was obviously referring to Luton coming to town, I'm totally convinced it was nothing to do with any changes he's going to make to us.

That's pretty disrespectful on Rob Edwards to start with and equally another example of him living in the fucking past.

Think you are wide of the mark. For a start we don't even know if Luton will be coming to town.

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