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saintbenny

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So how do we get rid of this clown then? It's so obvious that he is way out of his depth. There is not a saints fan alive or dead who thinks we can play 5 at the back. And to add insult to injury, when we do go to 4 at the back he continually plays players out of position. Does he do this due to arrogance or due to the fact that he is thick?? It's hard to tell. What's not hard to tell is that he is a PR disaster when it comes to the relationship between saints and us fans. It's impossible not to want to punch the screen when he starts talking. He see's things completely differently to 99 percent of the fans watching the games. I get the feeling he picks players who he feels are built from the same mould as himself...hardworking but ultimately talentless. He's that boss at work who passes on the opportunity to promote talent in case they steal the limelight from him. Everything is about Nathan Jones. It's fucking depressing with him at the helm 

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2 minutes ago, Toadhall Saint said:

He’s just an emoji now.

Presser Comparison Site...

Press: Could you explain why a back 5 is your preferred choice?

Response: Confused face

Press: Despite 2 recent goals, Perraud was serving burgers today. Why was that?

Response: passive aggressive confused face

Press: Despite a couple of months, your players look baffled at your instructions, and can't put the ball in the net. Any thoughts on how to turn that around?

Response: Confused face.

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Presser Comparison Site...

Press: Could you explain why a back 5 is your preferred choice?

Response: It's about the system to best enable us to score goals. It's not about individuals or personal outcomes. It's not about my bosses favouring that formation from their xGC stats, wanting to show horn it in regardless of suitability, and only hiring me as I agreed with them.

Press: Despite 2 recent goals, Perraud was serving burgers today. Why was that?

Response: It's about personal outcomes. It's not about systems or individuals. Perraud has to learn to develop outcomes that aren't just goals. Such as the outcome of feeding all the hungry fans at half time.

Press: Despite a couple of months, your players look baffled at your instructions, and can't put the ball in the net. Any thoughts on how to turn that around?

Response: It's about individuals. It's not about systems or personal outcomes. It's all the other things to absorb and use information. They couldn't do it before me, even including those runs of winning, attractive football. My messages of hoof it across to the small side men, are clear and consistent. The players inability to create things from where the ball ends up, is entirely their fault.

Hmmmm. Tougher than I thought. I've not taken xP (expected pedantry) into account though.

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The home game against Brighton was my first home game in three years, and was shocked at just how bad we were, and consequently convinced we were going down. 

Since then the week when we won three in a row shows that even if the squad is not good, there is the capacity there to actually go and win games. Which at times makes it more frustrating. 

With the greatest respect to Jones, he has not done himself any favours (interviews, team selection etc) but I do think the negativity around him has been a bit much and built upon a narrative around him from the get-go. I do think we look a bit better defensively (when we have four at the back). 

Hopefully the new signings can breath some positivity into the squad, and maybe the competition for places up front and out-wide will improve performances of existing players. 

Haven't been especially impressed with the manager like others but maybe it is time to put the focus on getting behind the team and trying to create a positive atmosphere instead. If you don't like his interviews and they bother you that much just ignore them and don't watch them? 

Can't see the board making a managerial change anytime before the end of the season but if things don't improve in the coming weeks then it is going to be a difficult situation. 

Think we are going down but regardless of opinion on Jones hope we can get some good results in upcoming games just to give us a chance of staying up. 

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OldNick

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Worth a listen to Dyches first interview on BBC football daily this morning. Our PR machine should have got NJ to issue a similar thing. Asking fans to get behind the team as that would make the job easier and players not under such pressure. He said the fans do make a difference.

Obviously this is what Ive been asking for, not whether he is the right choice but to get behind us in our moment of need.

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51 minutes ago, OldNick said:

Worth a listen to Dyches first interview on BBC football daily this morning. Our PR machine should have got NJ to issue a similar thing. Asking fans to get behind the team as that would make the job easier and players not under such pressure. He said the fans do make a difference.

Obviously this is what Ive been asking for, not whether he is the right choice but to get behind us in our moment of need.

Mate I don’t think anyone is not behind the team. I have never booed the team and never will. For those that do I would think it’s more frustration at league position, tactics & formation- more than likely a mixture of all three.

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24 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said:

If we play 5 at the back, there is a strong chance that I'll be leaving Brentford's stadium with a banning order

Last season at Brentford at 3-0 down i remember one fan setting off a smoke flare and just standing there holding it waiting for police / stewards to come and get him, think it was a cry for help more than anything 

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1 hour ago, OldNick said:

Worth a listen to Dyches first interview on BBC football daily this morning. Our PR machine should have got NJ to issue a similar thing. Asking fans to get behind the team as that would make the job easier and players not under such pressure. He said the fans do make a difference.

Obviously this is what Ive been asking for, not whether he is the right choice but to get behind us in our moment of need.

We're all behind the team, no one wants anything other than a winning side. What we don't want is a spikey, passive-aggressive and niggly manager throwing shots at the fans during most of his interviews.

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1 hour ago, OldNick said:

Worth a listen to Dyches first interview on BBC football daily this morning. Our PR machine should have got NJ to issue a similar thing. Asking fans to get behind the team as that would make the job easier and players not under such pressure. He said the fans do make a difference.

Obviously this is what Ive been asking for, not whether he is the right choice but to get behind us in our moment of need.

Remember you were pleased with Jones appointment because he wasn't a "Dyche style manager" (no one knows what this actually means) but also why oh why can't our manager be like Sean Dyche.

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17 minutes ago, JRM said:

Last season at Brentford at 3-0 down i remember one fan setting off a smoke flare and just standing there holding it waiting for police / stewards to come and get him, think it was a cry for help more than anything 

Each to their own but I think I'd have found it easier to just walk out of the stadium 🙂

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58 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Remember you were pleased with Jones appointment because he wasn't a "Dyche style manager" (no one knows what this actually means) but also why oh why can't our manager be like Sean Dyche.

Please, like you haven't done when you posted your claims that I thought fans should treat him as a hero, also show where I was pleased with his appointment? I dont think he is like Dyche, but if you mean up and in the oppos faces and playing the dark arts then perhaps, but DYche is not the only manager who plays that way. . I dont want a long ball game no, but I also dont want our backs tippy tapping to midfield who then pass it back again. I dont want the midfield by passed as Dyche used to do in the main

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1 hour ago, S-Clarke said:

We're all behind the team, no one wants anything other than a winning side. What we don't want is a spikey, passive-aggressive and niggly manager throwing shots at the fans during most of his interviews.

You think he's throwing shots at the fans lol? You obviously didn't read or listen to what he said about our fantastic support at Newcastle and apologised that we didnt get a result. Often, we sometimes dont listen and only chose what we want to hear, Iam not above that

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11 minutes ago, OldNick said:

You think he's throwing shots at the fans lol? You obviously didn't read or listen to what he said about our fantastic support at Newcastle and apologised that we didnt get a result. Often, we sometimes dont listen and only chose what we want to hear, Iam not above that

He's definitely made some passive aggressive jabs at the fans and hasn't really made much of an effort to get them on side which is part of his job. I do agree that sometimes the quotes on twitter do make him sound very different and he does come accross better when you listen to the press conferences yourself. 

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8 minutes ago, OldNick said:

You think he's throwing shots at the fans lol? You obviously didn't read or listen to what he said about our fantastic support at Newcastle and apologised that we didnt get a result. Often, we sometimes dont listen and only chose what we want to hear, Iam not above that

He is just standing up for himself. Isn’t that what we want ? As a person and as a manager ? Especially to get us out of this mess. He took over a team 91st out of 92 in the form league for the last 12 months. Within 2 games of him being here he is being slaughtered ( personally ). 
I don’t know if he is the right man for the job but I’ll give him a chance and I’m talking 20 / 30 games. If we go down I’ll back him to bring us back up. 
 

The definition of a supporter is to support the club. We are miles from that. These owners have done more imho than any others have. I’ll back their choice of a manager. I believe they know more than random fans who are never at training. Don’t see how the manager and players get on and have not seen the plans for the team and club. I’ll get pelters for this but that’s my thoughts. 
 

fans of all clubs have become to fickle, to spoilt and too impatient. Fergie at United, Arteta at Arsenal and Strachen / Poch at us got stick in first 6 months. 

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17 minutes ago, OldNick said:

You think he's throwing shots at the fans lol? You obviously didn't read or listen to what he said about our fantastic support at Newcastle and apologised that we didnt get a result. Often, we sometimes dont listen and only chose what we want to hear, Iam not above that

One swallow doesn’t make a summer. There have been a lot of spikey, thinly veiled digs at the fans, go back and read the interviews if you don’t believe it.

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1 minute ago, Saintscummer said:

He is just standing up for himself. Isn’t that what we want ? As a person and as a manager ? Especially to get us out of this mess. He took over a team 91st out of 92 in the form league for the last 12 months. Within 2 games of him being here he is being slaughtered ( personally ). 
I don’t know if he is the right man for the job but I’ll give him a chance and I’m talking 20 / 30 games. If we go down I’ll back him to bring us back up. 
 

The definition of a supporter is to support the club. We are miles from that. These owners have done more imho than any others have. I’ll back their choice of a manager. I believe they know more than random fans who are never at training. Don’t see how the manager and players get on and have not seen the plans for the team and club. I’ll get pelters for this but that’s my thoughts. 
 

fans of all clubs have become to fickle, to spoilt and too impatient. Fergie at United, Arteta at Arsenal and Strachen / Poch at us got stick in first 6 months. 

No, it's not what we want. We want someone in control of himself and his emotions. Someone with more poise and diplomacy. 

Never insult your customers.  If you do it can only end one way.

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2 minutes ago, Saintscummer said:

He is just standing up for himself. Isn’t that what we want ? As a person and as a manager ? Especially to get us out of this mess. He took over a team 91st out of 92 in the form league for the last 12 months. Within 2 games of him being here he is being slaughtered ( personally ). 
I don’t know if he is the right man for the job but I’ll give him a chance and I’m talking 20 / 30 games. If we go down I’ll back him to bring us back up. 
 

The definition of a supporter is to support the club. We are miles from that. These owners have done more imho than any others have. I’ll back their choice of a manager. I believe they know more than random fans who are never at training. Don’t see how the manager and players get on and have not seen the plans for the team and club. I’ll get pelters for this but that’s my thoughts. 
 

fans of all clubs have become to fickle, to spoilt and too impatient. Fergie at United, Arteta at Arsenal and Strachen / Poch at us got stick in first 6 months. 

By all means he can stand up for himself, but if what he's standing up for is still losing games every single week then he doesn't really put himself in the best position.

There is no doubt that the feeling towards the comments/spikey nature to his interviews are heightened because of our performances, so that's the crux of it really. If he stops us losing every game we play then he may be able to turn around opinion. It feels a long way from that at the moment though.

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26 minutes ago, OldNick said:

Please, like you haven't done when you posted your claims that I thought fans should treat him as a hero, also show where I was pleased with his appointment? I dont think he is like Dyche, but if you mean up and in the oppos faces and playing the dark arts then perhaps, but DYche is not the only manager who plays that way. . I dont want a long ball game no, but I also dont want our backs tippy tapping to midfield who then pass it back again. I dont want the midfield by passed as Dyche used to do in the main

I'm still waiting to understand what it is in your opinion that make Nathan Jones not a Sean Dyche style manager.

The problem is every time the topic comes up you describe attributes of a manager and a team which you want and they are exactly the attributes of Sean Dyche or his teams.

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29 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

By all means he can stand up for himself, but if what he's standing up for is still losing games every single week then he doesn't really put himself in the best position.

There is no doubt that the feeling towards the comments/spikey nature to his interviews are heightened because of our performances, so that's the crux of it really. If he stops us losing every game we play then he may be able to turn around opinion. It feels a long way from that at the moment though.

Basically he can do what he likes if he's winning. At the moment we are losing and his attitude means he isn't being given any leeway by the fans. 

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34 minutes ago, Saintscummer said:

He is just standing up for himself. Isn’t that what we want ? As a person and as a manager ? Especially to get us out of this mess. He took over a team 91st out of 92 in the form league for the last 12 months. Within 2 games of him being here he is being slaughtered ( personally ). 
I don’t know if he is the right man for the job but I’ll give him a chance and I’m talking 20 / 30 games. If we go down I’ll back him to bring us back up. 
 

The definition of a supporter is to support the club. We are miles from that. These owners have done more imho than any others have. I’ll back their choice of a manager. I believe they know more than random fans who are never at training. Don’t see how the manager and players get on and have not seen the plans for the team and club. I’ll get pelters for this but that’s my thoughts. 
 

fans of all clubs have become to fickle, to spoilt and too impatient. Fergie at United, Arteta at Arsenal and Strachen / Poch at us got stick in first 6 months. 

We haven't got 20 or 30 games left this season. On our current trajectory will be down after the next ten.

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58 minutes ago, OldNick said:

You think he's throwing shots at the fans lol? You obviously didn't read or listen to what he said about our fantastic support at Newcastle and apologised that we didnt get a result. Often, we sometimes dont listen and only chose what we want to hear, Iam not above that

He should just take the abuse without having any defence and admit that he is shit, the players are shit but the fans have been fantastic and he inherited a fantastic squad of players who were high on confidence, loving life and performing at their top levels. All he has done is come in and ruin all the hard work and quality player purchasing that went on before he got the job. That’s what he needs to do..

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4 minutes ago, Winnersaint said:

Just heard Dyche on the radio before their game against Arsenal, comes across well.

Good manager but he’s not one that would allow outside influences from the likes of Ankerson.

Jones is his puppet who does what he’s told. 
 

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42 minutes ago, Pilchards said:

Good manager but he’s not one that would allow outside influences from the likes of Ankerson.

Jones is his puppet who does what he’s told. 
 

I’m not fan of Jones but this is just a baseless straw man argument. I’ve seen nothing from Jones to think he’s just a spineless yes-man and Dyche would be at the mercy of the recruitment constraints of any team he managed.

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Just now, Lighthouse said:

I’m not fan of Jones but this is just a baseless straw man argument. I’ve seen nothing from Jones to think he’s just a spineless yes-man and Dyche would be at the mercy of the recruitment constraints of any team he managed.

Agree with this. Always the laziest of slurs - Puel used it get it as well "he's just a yes-man" when it was obvious to anyone sane that Claude was a stubborn old bugger who did things his way, for good or ill. Jones whatever we think of his ability, is no yes-man or "puppet". Just a dopey assessment.

 

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2 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Agree with this. Always the laziest of slurs - Puel used it get it as well "he's just a yes-man" when it was obvious to anyone sane that Claude was a stubborn old bugger who did things his way, for good or ill. Jones whatever we think of his ability, is no yes-man or "puppet". Just a dopey assessment.

 

Agreed. No needs to make things up to make Jones look bad. 

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1 hour ago, CB Fry said:

I'm still waiting to understand what it is in your opinion that make Nathan Jones not a Sean Dyche style manager.

The problem is every time the topic comes up you describe attributes of a manager and a team which you want and they are exactly the attributes of Sean Dyche or his teams.

Still havent come back with posts highlighting your claims what I said. It is your opinion of NJ style of football. Dyche is winning and so you csn do the told you so stuff

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2 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

When you don't even get a new manager bounce, you know you've made the wrong choice.

I agree, Everton do have a good squad and should never be where they are. Dyche has brought that out, no excuse though he has given them a bounce. Still not who Id want long term but he will keep them up.

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He absolutely has to go. I think we might need Brentford to do us a favour here and absolutely hammer us. Remember, Jones picked this defence, the unfamiliar players, and the tactics - but at the end of the game he is going to blame the players not himself.

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2 minutes ago, washsaint said:

get this clown out of our club NOW.

Sports Republic - you made a catastrophic mistake.  own it.

Terrible team selections, no discernible tactics.  He offers nothing

Fan's just as guilty for turning on ralph, was a good manager that had been hung out to try by chronic underinvestment window after window. They need to own it as well. 13th xG and 15th goals conceded when he was sacked - and that is despite the injuries, gelling a new young side, and playing all the top sides. Absolute car crash since.

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