Nathan Jones

[OldNick]

3 hours ago, Fan The Flames said:

If fans opinion mean jot, why are you constantly on here scolding others for being negative.

People regard the manager to be deficient and want to talk about it, they also want to discuss formations and players, it's what being a fan is about for some. Now you want to be positive and passive and that's you choice.

Plenty think the best way to stay up is to get rid of NJ and you think the best way is to roar the team on. We aren't going to agree on this point, I'm afraid.

Now if you want people to agree with you, forcing them won't work, you need a persuasive agrument.

FTF you are correct in much you say. At the end of the day we are a few fans who like to bitch at each other but all have the same aim. Just my point of view is that NJ is not that bad. The owners are unlikely to change route and so falling in behind the team and manager can only be a good thing. Point out mistakes by all means, but some of the vitriol is pathetic. Constantly picking holes in every interview, belittling his achievements in football. Fans will laugh, but it takes a lot to be manager of the year in the Championship, especially when managing Luton. As I have said many times before, he wasn't someone on my radar but he's here and we should give him a fair crack. It is so bad that Bree was pilloried on Twitter as he was a Jones man. Totally unfair, fortunately he showed some glimpses that he will indeed be a good squad member, and will cope.

[Professor]

I only heard the commentary on Radio Solent, and haven't yet seen a video of the whole game, but Adam and Joe were immediately critical of the line up with a back five. If I heard Adam and Joe correctly, after going 2 down the players were discussing the line up amongst themselves and shouting at the coaches.  Only then did Jones agree to a back four but his change put players out of position. Walker-Peters was the worst example, as it wasted one of our best players. I was sorry KWP was injured but it forced a change to a better line up  

A typical failure of an inexperienced manager was to put James Bree into the starting line-o[ before he'd had any chance to settle-in to the club or come to terms with Premier League standard football.  He was made to look like the manager's pet.   The new signings up front might save the day in the league if they are played in their best positions but that has to be done with the whole squad.  I'm not confident that Jones will pick players in the positions they know best but in any case, he's now damaged goods.  Sacking a second manager might be an embarrassment but bringing in a someone with top level experience, should be considered even if it's just to the end of the season.  

[Professor]

7 minutes ago, OldNick said:

FTF you are correct in much you say. At the end of the day we are a few fans who like to bitch at each other but all have the same aim. Just my point of view is that NJ is not that bad. The owners are unlikely to change route and so falling in behind the team and manager can only be a good thing. Point out mistakes by all means, but some of the vitriol is pathetic. Constantly picking holes in every interview, belittling his achievements in football. Fans will laugh, but it takes a lot to be manager of the year in the Championship, especially when managing Luton. As I have said many times before, he wasn't someone on my radar but he's here and we should give him a fair crack. It is so bad that Bree was pilloried on Twitter as he was a Jones man. Totally unfair, fortunately he showed some glimpses that he will indeed be a good squad member, and will cope.

Sorry Nick.  Understand your intentions but giving a manager a fair crack when the club is out of the relegation zone is one thing but doing it when your team is bottom is another.  In my opinion, Saturday against Brentford is a Must Win game.

[Mr Nimbus]

Again he trots out the "aggressive" line and again I am left wondering what that means,

Bypassed too easily in CM, the defence incredibly deep and Bazunu or one of the CB's just belting it forward.

We have 18 games left, with some "OK" fixtures in there. I'm really not convinced he can do it, but I live in hope

[FarehamSaintJames]

Any chance SR could check out SaintsWeb to see how massively out of depth Nathan Jones is in this league.
Makes you wonder what his father in law thinks (didn’t I hear his wife’s family are Saints fans)?

A better manager will get us in a better position with this squad now very quickly.
It’s a shame SR couldn’t have paid out for a better manager.

That said, I guess we have to get behind the pottymouth now. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[OldNick]

11 minutes ago, Professor said:

 

A typical failure of an inexperienced manager was to put James Bree into the starting line-o[ before he'd had any chance to settle-in to the club 

Cant win, when the 2 signings were on the bench a couple of games ago he was pilloried for not playing them, he does and gets a stick for that. Seeing Orsic play when he did I can see why he didnt play him immediately.

[Sheaf Saint]

1 minute ago, OldNick said:

Cant win, when the 2 signings were on the bench a couple of games ago he was pilloried for not playing them, he does and gets a stick for that. 

The difference being that Orsic and Alcaraz were signed for decent (ish) fees and expected to be an upgrade on what we already have and improve our starting 11. 

Bree was signed for £750k, and purely as backup while Tino recovers. As such he should only really be used in the case of injuries to other FBs, so the decision to start him despite both KWP and Perraud being fit was curious to say the least. Doesn't send a good message to the rest of the squad does it.

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

1 hour ago, OldNick said:

Duncan all your concerns are valid, but taking into account our squad to theirs, the eye on future games and trying to find the answer is not easy. I agree that 5 at the back was a mistake, but to be fair he wouldnt hve exppected the dereliction of duty by AA and Alcaraz not tracking runs. 

to be fair, it wasn't hard for any of the Newcastle mids to escape from Alcaraz last night was it

[Give it to Ron]

20 minutes ago, OldNick said:

Cant win, when the 2 signings were on the bench a couple of games ago he was pilloried for not playing them, he does and gets a stick for that. Seeing Orsic play when he did I can see why he didnt play him immediately.

Are you really saying Bree should have started over KWP and Perraud in a semi final not having played for us before?

Come on you are better than that - seems like no-one is allowed to criticise the idiotic team selection without being accused of disloyalty.

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

6 minutes ago, Give it to Ron said:

Are you really saying Bree should have started over KWP and Perraud in a semi final not having played for us before?

Come on you are better than that - seems like no-one is allowed to criticise the idiotic team selection without being accused of disloyalty.

I do wonder if God had a part to play in this and insisted to Nathan that he must pick Bree

[OldNick]

Just now, Give it to Ron said:

Are you really saying Bree should have started over KWP and Perraud in a semi final not having played for us before?

Come on you are better than that - seems like no-one is allowed to criticise the idiotic team selection without being accused of disloyalty.

I wouldn't say in front of KWP. I have seen many posters saying that Perraud was not good enough for the PL. I feel Perraud should have started but Im not sure Bree did any worse than he would have, luckily when Perraud slipped (accident) that could have ended our fight sooner. I am backing Bree as I feel he doesnt deserve unfair criticism and he didnt do badly.

[OldNick]

Just now, Golac's Cunning Stunts said:

I do wonder if God had a part to play in this and insisted to Nathan that he must pick Bree

Perhaps NJ was terrible in a former life and punishment he was to have a fanbase like ours 😃

[Convict Colony]

I reserve judgement completely until we've had all the signings bedded in.

Nath has had the same dross so far as Ralph had and he got a decent tune out of them v city.

Maybe with more clinical wingers, having goal scoring midfielders (JWP + Charly hopefully) and a striker who doesn't only strike fear into the seagulls resting on the top of roofs his system might work or he might go back to a 4 instead.

Lets see how the next couple of games pan out.

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

2 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

I reserve judgement completely until we've had all the signings bedded in.

Nath has had the same dross so far as Ralph had and he got a decent tune out of them v city.

Maybe with more clinical wingers, having goal scoring midfielders (JWP + Charly hopefully) and a striker who doesn't only strike fear into the seagulls resting on the top of roofs his system might work or he might go back to a 4 instead.

Lets see how the next couple of games pan out.

That City game seems a while back now. I (naively) thought that was a corner turned. How can we play so well then and then back to dross in the space of a few weeks...

[Give it to Ron]

28 minutes ago, OldNick said:

Perhaps NJ was terrible in a former life and punishment he was to have a fanbase like ours 😃

Fan base like ours didn’t you just start a thread saying how good they were?

A fan base that has to watch a manager persist with a formation that doesn’t work. The players dont like it or can play it but it’s not Nathan’s fault is it!

Do you believe Lyanco and Bednarek are our best defence?

[OldNick]

12 minutes ago, Give it to Ron said:

Fan base like ours didn’t you just start a thread saying how good they were?

A fan base that has to watch a manager persist with a formation that doesn’t work. The players dont like it or can play it but it’s not Nathan’s fault is it!

Do you believe Lyanco and Bednarek are our best defence?

Lol touche

[OldNick]

13 minutes ago, Give it to Ron said:

Fan base like ours didn’t you just start a thread saying how good they were?

A fan base that has to watch a manager persist with a formation that doesn’t work. The players dont like it or can play it but it’s not Nathan’s fault is it!

Do you believe Lyanco and Bednarek are our best defence?

I find that in the main, the away support are a bit more understanding. As for Lyanco or Bednarek, or Salisu or any other, there is not much in it!!!!

[pimpin4rizeal]

The mob come out for every loss here don’t they..

we have only lost by one goal every loss since Brighton-FACT. No one is battering us unlike they did under the forum favourite Ralph.  Now we have a hopefully decent striker hopefully that extra bit of potency can turn these close games into points ..

im not totally against the 5 at the back either although I do prefer the 4-3-3. 5 at the back still gives us 3 cms though which I think suits us. Otherwise we tend to lose the midfield battle ….interesting to see how we line up with new signings I’d go 4-3-3 and drop che but if he wants to keep him in we could see more 5-3-2..

personalky I’m more optimistic under jones then I was Ralph over his last year or more.. I’m backing jones to turn the corner think it will click soon 

[Miltonaggro]

1 hour ago, OldNick said:

Perhaps NJ was terrible in a former life and punishment he was to have a fanbase like ours 😃

From what I’ve seen he’s pretty fucking terrible in this life too. 

[OldNick]

4 minutes ago, Miltonaggro said:

From what I’ve seen he’s pretty fucking terrible in this life too. 

Lol 😃

You'll be singing his name come the end of the season . I hope so anyway as it means we've been successful

[West end Saints]

I found some of his selections strange, particularly the 3 CB and not starting Lavia. 

Newcastle use pace, particularly down their right so don't have a problem playing our fastest and best fullback there. Although KWP is primarily a RB some of his best games have been at LB. Once you decide to go with KWP @ LB then I can see the logic of Bree. 

[Miltonaggro]

5 minutes ago, OldNick said:

Lol 😃

You'll be singing his name come the end of the season . I hope so anyway as it means we've been successful

Fair play to you Nick for keeping the faith 🙂

[Nordic Saint]

1 hour ago, OldNick said:

Perhaps NJ was terrible in a former life and punishment he was to have a fanbase like ours 😃

If he'd been even more terrible he could have ended up with a fanbase like Newcastle's. I remember how they mercilessly hounded out Pardew. In fact, the more supposedly 'passionate' the fanbase, the worse they are for getting on the backs of managers they don't like. Remember the treatment that McMenemy got at Sunderland not long after he'd arrived? The vandalized car, the death threats. Our lot are pretty tolerant and easy-going in comparison.

Newcastle manager Alan Pardew given grief by young fan and admits more than half of fans want him out - Mirror Online

 

Edited 1 February, 2023 by Nordic Saint

[Miltonaggro]

11 minutes ago, Nordic Saint said:

If he'd been even more terrible he could have ended up with a fanbase like Newcastle's. I remember how they mercilessly hounded out Pardew. In fact, the more supposedly 'passionate' the fanbase, the worse they are for getting on the backs of managers they don't like. Remember the treatment that McMenemy got at Sunderland not long after he'd arrived? The vandalized car, the death threats. Our lot are pretty tolerant and easy-going in comparison.

Newcastle manager Alan Pardew given grief by young fan and admits more than half of fans want him out - Mirror Online

Fans protest against Alan Pardew fails to win support of majority of Newcastle United fans - Chronicle Live

Yes. In reality we probably have the most tolerant fanbase of a club of our size and stature.  The scenes at Everton the other week a case in point. Imagine if Jones had been appointed there as a replacement for Lampard. I’ve always put it down to the mild climate, sea air and zero expectation of success 😀

[Dman]

58 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

The mob come out for every loss here don’t they..

 

Yes, which is why this thread is booming every single time we play. 
 

Hardly like people are picking the bones off a unlucky defeat after a great run

[OldNick]

47 minutes ago, Miltonaggro said:

Fair play to you Nick for keeping the faith 🙂

Im just thick lol

[Bakovnetski]

43 minutes ago, Nordic Saint said:

If he'd been even more terrible he could have ended up with a fanbase like Newcastle's. I remember how they mercilessly hounded out Pardew. In fact, the more supposedly 'passionate' the fanbase, the worse they are for getting on the backs of managers they don't like. Remember the treatment that McMenemy got at Sunderland not long after he'd arrived? The vandalized car, the death threats. Our lot are pretty tolerant and easy-going in comparison.

Newcastle manager Alan Pardew given grief by young fan and admits more than half of fans want him out - Mirror Online

Fans protest against Alan Pardew fails to win support of majority of Newcastle United fans - Chronicle Live

They were pretty vociferous in their condemnation of Steve Bruce too.

[Saint Matty 76]

33 minutes ago, Miltonaggro said:

Yes. In reality we probably have the most tolerant fanbase of a club of our size and stature.  The scenes at Everton the other week a case in point. Imagine if Jones had been appointed there as a replacement for Lampard. I’ve always put it down to the mild climate, sea air and zero expectation of success 😀

I completely agree.

As much as a few people try to spin it on here, for this fanbase to turn this anti-NJ this quickly, is a huge indicator of how much he's fucked up in a small space of time.

[Whitey Grandad]

3 hours ago, OldNick said:

Not sure what you mean, i think the player was 10yardsout? but surely leaving him when he ran into the area was totally wrong. It seems other clubs players track the run where ever he runs 

Yes he was only 10 yards out without being challenged.  Bednarek was standing on the six yarxline with nothing to do and should have made a challenge of some sort.

You don't want your attacker to have to run up and down the full length of the pitch all match. They hand him over to a defender to deal with.

[LGTL]

1 hour ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

The mob come out for every loss here don’t they..

we have only lost by one goal every loss since Brighton-FACT. No one is battering us unlike they did under the forum favourite Ralph.  Now we have a hopefully decent striker hopefully that extra bit of potency can turn these close games into points ..

im not totally against the 5 at the back either although I do prefer the 4-3-3. 5 at the back still gives us 3 cms though which I think suits us. Otherwise we tend to lose the midfield battle ….interesting to see how we line up with new signings I’d go 4-3-3 and drop che but if he wants to keep him in we could see more 5-3-2..

personalky I’m more optimistic under jones then I was Ralph over his last year or more.. I’m backing jones to turn the corner think it will click soon 

The ‘mob’ have been pretty busy recently, since we lose pretty much any game that matters under this clown. 

BUT those losses have only been by a single goal, so that’s fine 😂

[S-Clarke]

1 hour ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

The mob come out for every loss here don’t they..

we have only lost by one goal every loss since Brighton-FACT. No one is battering us unlike they did under the forum favourite Ralph.  Now we have a hopefully decent striker hopefully that extra bit of potency can turn these close games into points ..

im not totally against the 5 at the back either although I do prefer the 4-3-3. 5 at the back still gives us 3 cms though which I think suits us. Otherwise we tend to lose the midfield battle ….interesting to see how we line up with new signings I’d go 4-3-3 and drop che but if he wants to keep him in we could see more 5-3-2..

personalky I’m more optimistic under jones then I was Ralph over his last year or more.. I’m backing jones to turn the corner think it will click soon 

Not sure where you are coming from there, are we now celebrating that we're only losing games by 1 goal and not 2? I mean....there's a measurement of success and then there is that.

5 at the back doesn't work, and it's wrong to say that 5 gives us more in midfield as we can have 3 bodies in there. We can in 4-3-3 as well, in fact we have more control in midfield when we play 4-3-3.

Not sure how anyone can be more optimistic under Jones to be honest, I'm not seeing anything to suggest he's any better than Jim down the pub.

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

11 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Not sure where you are coming from there, are we now celebrating that we're only losing games by 1 goal and not 2? I mean....there's a measurement of success and then there is that.

5 at the back doesn't work, and it's wrong to say that 5 gives us more in midfield as we can have 3 bodies in there. We can in 4-3-3 as well, in fact we have more control in midfield when we play 4-3-3.

Not sure how anyone can be more optimistic under Jones to be honest, I'm not seeing anything to suggest he's any better than Jim down the pub.

Don't think even Jim down the pub would have started with that lineup and tactics last night

[stknowle]

9 hours ago, SaintJakko said:

With the greatest respect Nathan, play a formation that actually favours the strongest line-up we can put out. Especially in an all or nothing fixture. WHICH IS EVERY GAME NOW. We cannot be messing around with lineups at half time and “sorting it” after we’ve been through every tactical masterclass change you can think of and made a mountain to climb due to INCOMPETENCE. If I see a non LB playing in that position again when we have Perruad on the bench and KWP in a weaker position I will go spare. Play 4 at the back, with your BEST RB playing RB, your two best CB partnership (FIND THIS and let it gel) and an actual LB. Play Lavia as holding mid, have your other mids in creative roles and the rest speaks for itself. Everyone can see this. I usually lerk here, but Jesus, I needed to write this just so I won’t go crazy. 

Well said mate, you should post more often.

[saintjimbo83]

I don’t think I’ve disliked a manager so much in my life supporting saints (only 10 under Brantfoot).

The post match comments are pathetic and only making a massive divide between the club and supporters, when we all need to pull together.

Sport Republic have given us the best chance of staying up with the investment this window, but we’ve got a clown in charge who’s massively out of his depth, but arrogant and a huge ego. 

Edited 1 February, 2023 by saintjimbo83

[stknowle]

18 hours ago, stevegrant said:

Man United spent a decade neglecting the holding midfield role, and now they have one of the world's best players in that position, so all of a sudden they look like quite a good team again. Absolutely insane how that position isn't one of the first recruitment wishes for any team with suspect defences. Think of the players we've had in that position over the last decade - Schneiderlin, Wanyama, Hojbjerg, Romeu, Lavia. None perfect, but have all done excellent jobs (to date, in Lavia's case) in that role to the extent that you really notice when they're not there.

Yeah and the problem is Jones DOES NOT notice. Prefers to start Diallo 🤦‍♂️ 

[pimpin4rizeal]

1 hour ago, S-Clarke said:

Not sure where you are coming from there, are we now celebrating that we're only losing games by 1 goal and not 2? I mean....there's a measurement of success and then there is that.

5 at the back doesn't work, and it's wrong to say that 5 gives us more in midfield as we can have 3 bodies in there. We can in 4-3-3 as well, in fact we have more control in midfield when we play 4-3-3.

Not sure how anyone can be more optimistic under Jones to be honest, I'm not seeing anything to suggest he's any better than Jim down the pub.

Not so much celebrating losing games by one, but it is a valid point. We have been close and competitive in most games. But when you have no clinical striker,and bazunu who lets most shots in even if they are are streight at him .. im sure you acknowledge we are at a disadvantage in 50/50 games where chances are few and far between, hate to think what would happen if jones took a 9-0 spanking like Ralph 😆 burn him at the stake 

Re formation, yeah like said above I think 433 is the best for us by far at the moment. But the 532 also allows us the 3 in midfield whilst also having two up top.. it’s possible to keep che in  the line up or even play sulemana off onuachu 

personally I’m a bit sick of 442 and having no protection in midfield after years of Ralphball so maybe I’m just happy it’s a change 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

4 hours ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

The mob come out for every loss here don’t they..

we have only lost by one goal every loss since Brighton-FACT. No one is battering us unlike they did under the forum favourite Ralph...

personalky I’m more optimistic under jones then I was Ralph over his last year or more.. I’m backing jones to turn the corner think it will click soon 

For a moment I thought it was going...

🙂

Well Jones hopefully now has better finishing options, so let's hope that corner is really near.

[Saint Garrett]

Has he gone yet?! 

[Saint IQ]

On 31/01/2023 at 20:20, Archers Road Stand said:

Because the clown plays Lyanco every single week. 

Definitely part of the problem or the main issue. His worst mistake was team selection for this game and the last. Why would you start 2 of our best players v Blackpool instead of a semi final? (Lavia and Bella-Kotchap)

Then the constant selection of that numpty, the worst of all our centre backs by a long way, far far worse than Bednerek who I thought did well last night.

Its really dumb management.

A good manager would have binned him off on loan or sold him this window.

[Saint IQ]

3 hours ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

Not so much celebrating losing games by one, but it is a valid point. We have been close and competitive in most games. But when you have no clinical striker,and bazunu who lets most shots in even if they are are streight at him .. im sure you acknowledge we are at a disadvantage in 50/50 games where chances are few and far between, hate to think what would happen if jones took a 9-0 spanking like Ralph 😆 burn him at the stake 

Re formation, yeah like said above I think 433 is the best for us by far at the moment. But the 532 also allows us the 3 in midfield whilst also having two up top.. it’s possible to keep che in  the line up or even play sulemana off onuachu 

personally I’m a bit sick of 442 and having no protection in midfield after years of Ralphball so maybe I’m just happy it’s a change 

Have you seen us play with 5 at the back in the last 10 years or do you really think its a good idea when we are bottom of the league?

Apart from KWP, none of our defenders can play that system well.

[Saint Keef]

SR have spent heavily (by Saints standards) in this window which is a big gamble by them, on us staying up. And credit to them for that. Makes it even more baffling how/why they appointed Jones. This is only my thought, but personally I reckon he's got 3 games. If we are still in the bottom 3 with no wins after that, then I reckon he's gone. They will thank him for his hard work and he'll be on his way, no doubt blaming the players and the fans as he goes. For me, it's not just his selections and tactics, but the self-righteous, holier than thou, arrogant vibe that I get from him whenever he's interviewed, made worse by the fact that he's actually achieved bugger all.  Who they would replace him with at this stage though, I have no idea, but my guess is, they are already looking.....they surely need to protect that investment. 

[austsaint]

15 hours ago, OldNick said:

All fair points but Im not ready to bin him. The Forest game did him untold damage that reinforced the naysayers opinion. I was fortunate that I didnt see that game and so cant comment apart from I have seen nobody give any positives of that game. If we get rid of him, the team will then have to absorb another set of ideas (something they dont seem to be able to do easily now) At present it looks as though the players are still with him. 

New players give us another hope and I will get great satisfaction if he does turn things, especially as we are all winners

I'm confident in saying that if things do turn round, and we do stay up - it will be despite Jones efforts, not because of them.   The best 11-14 players we have now are capable of pulling SFC out of this hole.    It will be up to the players, Maybe Selles will step up to the plate; but Jones won't be the one "turning things around".

[niceandfriendly]

8 hours ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

For a moment I thought it was going...

I do miss our old manager Jan Portier Fiat

[StrangelyBrown]

15 hours ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

The mob come out for every loss here don’t they..

we have only lost by one goal every loss since Brighton-FACT. No one is battering us unlike they did under the forum favourite Ralph.  Now we have a hopefully decent striker hopefully that extra bit of potency can turn these close games into points ..

im not totally against the 5 at the back either although I do prefer the 4-3-3. 5 at the back still gives us 3 cms though which I think suits us. Otherwise we tend to lose the midfield battle ….interesting to see how we line up with new signings I’d go 4-3-3 and drop che but if he wants to keep him in we could see more 5-3-2..

personalky I’m more optimistic under jones then I was Ralph over his last year or more.. I’m backing jones to turn the corner think it will click soon 

I'm genuinely confused. Have you actually watched us???

We don't look like we capable of winning a match at the moment. We create few good chances that were incapable of taking and sloppily gift a lot of chances for the opposition - I've lost count of the number of times we've got away with giving the ball away on the edge of our own box - we might have kept scores low but there has been an large element of luck to that.

We're not going to get the points we need just simply by being aggressive and not conceding too many goals. At some point we need to start creating enough chances to win a game - we've allegedly bought the players to do that now it's down to NJ to put them in the team and organise us so that we can score more than the opposition.

[Gingeletiss]

I have been willing to give this bloke a chance, but he is a sub par Ralph imo. Players being played out of position, 5 at the back ffs, the best players left on the bench, or subbed off. Sorry boys and girls, he is a big nope from me.

[OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint]

So am I right in thinking his future tactics will be to play 5 at the back, everyone hoofs it forward to the beanpole in the middle who will lay it off to those clinical finishers.....oh, Che and AA? I sense there may be a problem.......

[Weston Super Saint]

4 minutes ago, OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint said:

So am I right in thinking his future tactics will be to play 5 at the back, everyone hoofs it forward to the beanpole in the middle who will lay it off to those clinical finishers.....oh, Che and AA? I sense there may be a problem.......

Fingers crossed, eh!  Something needs to change so might as well be this.

[egg]

36 minutes ago, Gingeletiss said:

I have been willing to give this bloke a chance, but he is a sub par Ralph imo. Players being played out of position, 5 at the back ffs, the best players left on the bench, or subbed off. Sorry boys and girls, he is a big nope from me.

Who's being played out of position?

If you mean KWP, he is just as happy and just as good at left back. We need height in a back 4 to have any chance at defending set pieces. It's obvious why we play a CB at full back if we have an short full back on the other side. You've only got to watch Newcastle to see how it can work. 2 decent CB's, Tripper on the right side, and to give more defensive height, and Burn (a CB) at LB to give height. Man City often do it with Stones, Ake or Akanji. 

If you mean JWP, he's been played on arguably his best position after being played out of position is a DM for ages.

Who else do you mean? 

[Weston Super Saint]

2 minutes ago, egg said:

Who's being played out of position?

If you mean KWP, he is just as happy and just as good at left back. We need height in a back 4 to have any chance at defending set pieces. It's obvious why we play a CB at full back if we have an short full back on the other side. You've only got to watch Newcastle to see how it can work. 2 decent CB's, Tripper on the right side, and to give more defensive height, and Burn (a CB) at LB to give height. Man City often do it with Stones, Ake or Akanji. 

If you mean JWP, he's been played on arguably his best position after being played out of position is a DM for ages.

Who else do you mean? 

Bazunu?

[egg]

2 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Bazunu?

No arguing with that one 🤣