Nathan Jones

[Roo1976]

2 hours ago, ErwinK1961 said:

Moments today where he was screaming at players to follow instructions they had clearly already been told, but not one of the gormless fckwits even looked at him.

Like others, I don’t think he’s the right man for the job - but we don’t half have some pathetic, half arsed, thick as mince players.

How do you motivate lazy millionaires?.......................who could get better out of what we have and no sign of a striker in time before the window closes.

[Saint Garrett]

Bloke is a pub manager, try hard, effort, run around…etc PASHUNNN!!!

Tactically awful, and needs to go. 

[Fan The Flames]

4 hours ago, Scummer said:

I'm guessing he means the idiot fans who didn't even realise the semi was two legged, and were having a go at the players for not bombing forward with 10 men in the last few minutes on Tuesday. Even after the match, plenty of people walking away from the ground were oblivious

Are you seriously saying people didn't realise it was over two legs. That's got to be bollocks.

[Dusic]

Just now, Fan The Flames said:

Are you seriously saying people didn't realise it was over two legs. That's got to be bollocks.

I think he is saying there are some fans that didn't get thst at 1-0 down and 5mins to go with 10men the key thing was to go into the second leg with something to play for rather than go 2-0 down and game over chasing an unlikely equaliser.

Totally sensible yet clearly some fans, emotionally or whatever, expected us to pile forward.

Regardless of what you think of NJ he is correct here 100%.

[Saint Garrett]

4 minutes ago, Dusic said:

I think he is saying there are some fans that didn't get thst at 1-0 down and 5mins to go with 10men the key thing was to go into the second leg with something to play for rather than go 2-0 down and game over chasing an unlikely equaliser.

Totally sensible yet clearly some fans, emotionally or whatever, expected us to pile forward.

Regardless of what you think of NJ he is correct here 100%.

But we nearly conceded twice at 0-1 in the last 5 minutes so what’s he saying? 

Edited 28 January, 2023 by Saint Garrett

[Fan The Flames]

3 minutes ago, Dusic said:

I think he is saying there are some fans that didn't get thst at 1-0 down and 5mins to go with 10men the key thing was to go into the second leg with something to play for rather than go 2-0 down and game over chasing an unlikely equaliser.

Totally sensible yet clearly some fans, emotionally or whatever, expected us to pile forward.

Regardless of what you think of NJ he is correct here 100%.

Well that is a completely different thing and not what he said. Of course people know how the legue cup semi-final works.

Maybe there were a few that wanted us to push for a goal. But only a small minority and for some of those urging GB to go long, it would be more about being nervous of us playing it short and getting caught, than it was about us going for a goal.

NJ just doesn't need to confront these fan sentiments in his post match interviews, and if asked he should just trot out some non-committal line. He just sound sounds petty and arsy. He is way too defensive and passive aggressive to be a top flight manager.

[Lord Duckhunter]

2 hours ago, Miltonaggro said:

He’s lucky he inherited the cup runs when he came in, 

What a load of old pony. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

42 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said:

But we nearly conceded twice at 0-1 in the last 5 minutes so what’s he saying? 

What he’s saying is that had we done what some of the fans wanted and gone hell for leather in a effort to “rescue” the game, we wouldn’t have “nearly” conceded we probably would have done. But you knew that, you’re just having cheap digs at the manager again. 

[Fan The Flames]

9 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

What a load of old pony. 

You can't talk mate, you think there's no such thing a a more favourable fixture. And you explanation for this is, wait for it, some fixtures that may seem favourable at the beginning of the season may not actually be favourable when we come to play them and some fixtures that aren't seen as favourable at the beginning of the season may be favourable when we come to play them, but can't actually be favourable, beacuse there is no such thing. Grade A nonsense.

[Rivers]

It's embarrassing, to watch him. Ranting and raving on the sidelines.

Throwing his arms around in disgust. Berating his players, whilst they don't even acknowledge those impassioned remonstrations with so much as a glance in his direction.

He's not registering a blip on their radar. Complete non-entity of a manager.

Nervously chewing away at his nails in one moment, then launching into reactive tirades the next.

There's no control of his demeanor. No poise or dignity in the way he carries himself.

No professionalism.

Nathan Jones looks like some forty year old boy, fresh from playing football manager in his bedroom, shouting abuse at the screen when his little men aren't doing what they're supposed to be.

"It's your tactics, Nathan".

 

A scared rabbit, caught in the bright St. Mary's headlights. Stuck between fight or flight. He used to be indecisive, but now, he's not so sure.

Producing abject dross on the grass. Pointless passive aggressive sniping at the fans in the media.

He simply lacks any of the requisite semblance of class, that you'd expect to see, from a Premier League manager.

 

A truly laughable appointment, from Southampton Comedy Football Club.

 

Edited 29 January, 2023 by Rivers
Splelling Mithtake.

[Singapore Saint]

50 minutes ago, Rivers said:

It's embarrassing, to watch him. Ranting and raving on the sidelines.

Throwing his arms around in disgust. Berating his players, whilst they don't even acknowledge those impassioned remonstrations with so much as a glance in his direction.

He's not registering a blip on their radar. Complete non-entity of a manager.

Nervously chewing away at his nails in one moment, then launching into reactive tirades the next.

There's no control of his demeanor. No poise or dignity in the way he carries himself.

No professionalism.

Nathan Jones looks like some forty year old boy, fresh from playing football manager in his bedroom, shouting abuse at the screen when his little men aren't doing what they're supposed to be.

"It's your tactics, Nathan".

A scared rabbit, caught in the bright St. Mary's headlights. Stuck between fight or flight. He used to be indecisive, but now, he's not so sure.

Producing abject dross on the grass. Pointless passive aggressive sniping at the fans in the media.

He simply lacks any of the requisite semblance of class, that you'd expect to see, from a Premier League manager.

A truly laughable appointment, from Southampton Comedy Football Club.

You sound like you hate NJ more than the liberals hate Trump.

Give NJ a break, "damned if he does, damned if he doesn't" or as they say these days, SMH 🙄

[Rivers]

1 hour ago, Singapore Saint said:

You sound like you hate NJ more than the liberals hate Trump.

No. I don't hate. Pointless waste of energy.

I feel sorry for him.

Dropped in at the deep end, of a turbulent pool he should never have been invited to swim in.

 

Edited 29 January, 2023 by Rivers
Minor alterations.

[wild-saint]

7 hours ago, Dusic said:

I think he is saying there are some fans that didn't get thst at 1-0 down and 5mins to go with 10men the key thing was to go into the second leg with something to play for rather than go 2-0 down and game over chasing an unlikely equaliser.

Totally sensible yet clearly some fans, emotionally or whatever, expected us to pile forward.

Regardless of what you think of NJ he is correct here 100%.

At the game today right at end with the Blackpool keeper up for the corner loads of fans were screaming at the keeper for claiming the ball and holding on to it rather than try and counter quickly. Most can’t spell game management let alone understand it. 

[Miltonaggro]

6 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

What a load of old pony. 

Not really, the cup games have been a welcome distraction from dire league form - one scraped win in six - and that against the only team in the division as poor as we are. Currently buying Nat time and prolonging pressure towards the chop, even with wankers like Ankersen and Semmens in charge. 

[Weston Super Saint]

4 hours ago, Rivers said:

It's embarrassing, to watch him. Ranting and raving on the sidelines.

Throwing his arms around in disgust. Berating his players, 

 

 

I wonder (but I bet he doesn't) if he does this during training sessions / matches?

[ErwinK1961]

What’s wrong with shouting at the players? Seems to me like they need constant guidance as they can’t follow instructions. 

[CB Fry]

8 hours ago, Dusic said:

I think he is saying there are some fans that didn't get thst at 1-0 down and 5mins to go with 10men the key thing was to go into the second leg with something to play for rather than go 2-0 down and game over chasing an unlikely equaliser.

Totally sensible yet clearly some fans, emotionally or whatever, expected us to pile forward.

Regardless of what you think of NJ he is correct here 100%.

I dont think the fanbase need to take lectures on approaches to not conceding by a man who has managed to deliver one fucking clean sheet since he's been here.

He needs to drop the chippy know it all act. It's not the fanbase's fault that he is woefully out of his depth.

[Weston Super Saint]

23 minutes ago, ErwinK1961 said:

What’s wrong with shouting at the players? Seems to me like they need constant guidance as they can’t follow instructions. 

Or the instructions are shit?

[Lord Duckhunter]

1 hour ago, Miltonaggro said:

Not really, the cup games have been a welcome distraction from dire league form - one scraped win in six - and that against the only team in the division as poor as we are. Currently buying Nat time and prolonging pressure towards the chop, even with wankers like Ankersen and Semmens in charge. 

He wasn’t “lucky” to inherit the cup runs, (which was the claim), anymore than he was unlucky to inherit the pile of shite Ralph left him. The FA Cup hadn’t even started when he arrived FFS. 

[Miltonaggro]

Just now, Lord Duckhunter said:

He wasn’t “lucky” to inherit the cup runs, (which was the claim), anymore than he was unlucky to inherit the pile of shite Ralph left him. The FA Cup hadn’t even started when he arrived FFS. 

We were still in both Cup completions - that was the point being made. See how he does once we are out. At present, Jones is doing worse with the ‘pile of shit’ than Hassenhutl did, that takes some doing! 

[AlexLaw76]

Watching MOTD, I see the win-ratio made an appearance from our Nathan

[Lord Duckhunter]

2 minutes ago, Miltonaggro said:

We were still in both Cup completions - that was the point being made. See how he does once we are out. At present, Jones is doing worse with the ‘pile of shit’ than Hassenhutl did, that takes some doing! 

He’s inherited a mess, but it’s his job to turn it round. He’s identified the main issues but seems incapable of addressing them at present. However, the reaction to this from a large minority of our fan base is ridiculous and out of proportion. There’s been a pile on, some of it justified but a lot of it has not been. 

[FarehamSaintJames]

The amount of people slagging him off this morning is mad.
You should all be ashamed. 🤣

[ErwinK1961]

46 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Or the instructions are shit?

Yep, screaming at AMN to get wide and not stand and hold ABK’s hand must be shit instructions. 
 

Two managers now where they can’t follow instructions (or don’t want to). Maybe we should keep rolling the dice until we find one that is acceptable to the primadonna’s.

[CB Fry]

I think some people need to stop making out that Jones is unique in incoming manager that he has inherited a difficult situation. No shit lads, that's pretty much 90% of new managerial appointments.

Some managers come in in November, inherited a pile of shit and swiftly and competently turn thing around. Ralph Hasenhuttl from Hughes/Pellegrino for example. 

Some come in and make thing significantly worse. An inherited pile of shit becomes a mountain of shit.

It's fair we were spoiled by how effective our last managerial switch was. We realise now that they all can't be as successful as that.

[FarehamSaintJames]

In the end if we go down he should be sacked. He would’ve had seven-eight months to change this shitshow around.

And so far our form has been largely the same. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[Lord Duckhunter]

9 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

In the end if we go down he should be sacked. He would’ve had seven-eight months to change this shitshow around.

And so far our form has been largely the same. 🤷🏻‍♂️

If we go down he’s failed, if we stay up he’s done what he’s paid to do and deserves to stay in charge. The buck stops with him and him alone.
 

The form has been woeful, but yesterday was a positive. Forest got dumped out of the cup 4-1 when they made changes to their line up against the same team. Newcastle, one of the form teams, went out when they did similar . We made half a dozen changes from our “best side” and went through. That’s not good enough for some, we didn’t go through well enough, The manager didn’t behave properly on the bench, he didn’t conduct himself correctly in the post match interviews. We should have won better. 

Edited 29 January, 2023 by Lord Duckhunter

[egg]

6 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

If we go down he’s failed, if we stay up he’s done what he’s paid to do and deserves to stay in charge. The buck stops with him and him alone.
 

The form has been woeful, but yesterday was a positive. Forest got dumped out of the cup 4-1 when they made changes to their line up against the same team. Newcastle, one of the form teams, went out when they did similar . We made half a dozen changes from our “best side” and went through. That’s not good enough for some, we didn’t go through well enough, The manager didn’t behave properly on the bench, he didn’t conduct himself correctly in the post match interviews. We should have won better. 

Agreed. Personally I couldn't give a monkeys how he behaves on the touchline, or that he tells the dopey fans that they're dopey in interviews. We were ok for an hour yesterday, then went to shit but scraped through with a scratch team. 

[Sfcphilc]

My big take from the game yesterday was how poor the players we have are. 

I lost count at how many times we gave possession away cheaply, especially in the second half, against a struggling Championship team. 

I genuinely don't think anyone would keep this group of players up, the rot has been making its way to the core for too long and we need relegation for a reset.

Their goal for example, Moi tries an elaborate flick on the halfway line which they intercept with ease. I saw NJ go mental at him after and rightly so. 

I think people made their mind up about him in the first 4 games and nothing will change their opinion. I'm still not overly convinced myself but he's got an uphill task when our players can't even do the basics right. 

[Chewy]

9 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

What he’s saying is that had we done what some of the fans wanted and gone hell for leather in a effort to “rescue” the game, we wouldn’t have “nearly” conceded we probably would have done. But you knew that, you’re just having cheap digs at the manager again. 

Only he said “everyone”, not “some fans”. His words, his victim perception. 

[egg]

12 minutes ago, Chewy said:

Only he said “everyone”, not “some fans”. His words, his victim perception. 

I think that was a poor choice of words. To be honest it's pretty bloody daft, and a bit of "victim perception", to think he literally meant "everyone". It's obvious that he just meant the dinlos that were doing it, not the sensible ones. Complete over reaction from fans imo. 

[Saintscummer]

41 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

If we go down he’s failed, if we stay up he’s done what he’s paid to do and deserves to stay in charge. The buck stops with him and him alone.
 

The form has been woeful, but yesterday was a positive. Forest got dumped out of the cup 4-1 when they made changes to their line up against the same team. Newcastle, one of the form teams, went out when they did similar . We made half a dozen changes from our “best side” and went through. That’s not good enough for some, we didn’t go through well enough, The manager didn’t behave properly on the bench, he didn’t conduct himself correctly in the post match interviews. We should have won better. 

Well said. 

[The Cat]

14 minutes ago, Chewy said:

Only he said “everyone”, not “some fans”. His words, his victim perception. 

His choice of words is bad sometimes, and he doesn't help himself by getting involved in things he should leave alone.

On the other hand we had fans moaning that Ralph was too quiet on the touchline and now we have fans moaning that Jones shouts too much.

There's others who seemed to make up their mind even before the first game that he'd be shit and have been leaping on confirmation of that to support their stance ever since.

Some of the posts on here are completely over the top. Would a pub team manager get a low budget team to the Championship play offs? Of course not. Is Jones good enough to manage in the top flight? Who knows, it's very early days. 

[wadesmith]

What terrifies me is that possibly the best chance of him keeping his job is getting  us relegated. If he keeps us up by 1 point then the board might say ‘Thanks Nathan, close shave ,we need someone new now’ (Puel got us to 8th & a cup final) if we go down they might think, there’s no money to spend & this bloke might be a decent championship manager, who may get us up on a budget.

[InvictaSaint]

[CB Fry]

29 minutes ago, wadesmith said:

What terrifies me is that possibly the best chance of him keeping his job is getting  us relegated. If he keeps us up by 1 point then the board might say ‘Thanks Nathan, close shave ,we need someone new now’ (Puel got us to 8th & a cup final) if we go down they might think, there’s no money to spend & this bloke might be a decent championship manager, who may get us up on a budget.

Nah. 

If he keeps us up by a point or GD then SR are vindicated and he will go into next season as a Premier League manager.

If we go down then he has failed and SR have failed and he would have to go. The relationship with the fanbase who never wanted him in the first place will be toxic by then. (ie more toxic than it is now).

[CB Fry]

1 hour ago, egg said:

I think that was a poor choice of words. To be honest it's pretty bloody daft, and a bit of "victim perception", to think he literally meant "everyone". It's obvious that he just meant the dinlos that were doing it, not the sensible ones. Complete over reaction from fans imo. 

Not an over reaction from the manager then who is spouting off about things he can leave alone?

Maybe as a professional Premier League manager he should be able to know that the words he uses will be interpreted and considered.

He's not a competition winner who got this job by accident. Speaking to the media is part of the job. It's not all about putting cones out and wearing a terrible jacket.

[S-Clarke]

7 minutes ago, InvictaSaint said:

I don't think you can really throw a comparison together like that when we're looking at totally different samples, less than half the amount of games Ralph had. 

I think people are going to exhaust themselves with this 'Jones' out stuff after every game, yeah he seems a bit of a nutter and he's on a collision course with some of his comments...but he's not going anywhere tomorrow, next week, next month - so there's no real point shouting and screaming after every match.

Any chance this thread can have the OUT dropped off it it? Just seems small fry.

[wadesmith]

5 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Nah. 

If he keeps us up by a point or GD then SR are vindicated and he will go into next season as a Premier League manager.

If we go down then he has failed and SR have failed and he would have to go. The relationship with the fanbase who never wanted him in the first place will be toxic by then. (ie more toxic than it is now).

Possibly. Let’s hope we don’t find out the hard way. I’m not totally convinced your right..I keep thinking of Puel..Cup final, 8th place, dreary football, lost fan base, essentially  he vindicated the decision to put him in charge. Adios!

Edited 29 January, 2023 by wadesmith

[aintforever]

12 hours ago, Dusic said:

I think he is saying there are some fans that didn't get thst at 1-0 down and 5mins to go with 10men the key thing was to go into the second leg with something to play for rather than go 2-0 down and game over chasing an unlikely equaliser.

Totally sensible yet clearly some fans, emotionally or whatever, expected us to pile forward.

Regardless of what you think of NJ he is correct here 100%.

Obviously trying to hold on without conceding another was the right thing to do.

Some football fans are bell-ends, we all know that, and it's not going to change. Why any manager would feel the need to point that out is bizarre though, screams of his own insecurities to me.

If he's going to pick up on what a few nob heads in the Northam say every week he's going to have a breakdown or something. Just shut the fuck up and win some football games and none of it will matter.

[Lord Duckhunter]

42 minutes ago, wadesmith said:

What terrifies me is that possibly the best chance of him keeping his job is getting  us relegated. If he keeps us up by 1 point then the board might say ‘Thanks Nathan, close shave ,we need someone new now’ 

Absolutely no chance of that. He’s their man, there’s zero chance he’ll get binned if we stay up. If we go down by one point, there’s a possibility they’ll keep him. I’d imagine they’d want to, but it’ll be untenable. 

Edited 29 January, 2023 by Lord Duckhunter

[egg]

29 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Not an over reaction from the manager then who is spouting off about things he can leave alone?

Maybe as a professional Premier League manager he should be able to know that the words he uses will be interpreted and considered.

He's not a competition winner who got this job by accident. Speaking to the media is part of the job. It's not all about putting cones out and wearing a terrible jacket.

Correct, he's a football manager. He's not a PR man or a public speaker. I don't think he should have spoken out, but he's not wrong.

It's obvious that he was having a dig at the minitory of dinlos, and I am struggling to understand why anyone who isn't in that minority is getting upset on other people's behalf. If anyone is in that minority and are upset by it, good, and hopefully they'll learn from it. 

Personally, I like that he's chippy. He ain't nice, and we don't play nice anymore. Thank fuck for that frankly.  

Edited 29 January, 2023 by egg

[CB Fry]

12 minutes ago, egg said:

Correct, he's a football manager. He's not a PR man or a public speaker. I don't think he should have spoken out, but he's not wrongt.

It's obvious that he was having a dig at the minitory of dinlos, and I am struggling to understand why anyone who isn't in that minority is getting upset on other people's behalf. If anyone is in that minority and are upset by it, good, and hopefully there'll learn from it. 

Personally, I like that he's chippy. He ain't nice, and we don't play nice anymore. Thank fuck for that frankly.  

All I would say is his chippyness is an act, you can see he is thinking about how he is seen and what people think of him in every single thing he does. He is fragile and needy as any manager I have ever seen.

Not interested in the "we're not nice any more" stuff. Someone was on here saying "people don't come to St Mary's any more thinking we will roll over and let them win" or some such guff. On the back of 5 league defeats from 6. 

That, right there, is the power of PR over reality.

Edited 29 January, 2023 by CB Fry

[Lord Duckhunter]

13 minutes ago, egg said:

 

Personally, I like that he's chippy. He ain't nice, and we don't play nice anymore. Thank fuck for that frankly.  

He’s got a chip on his shoulder that’s bigger than his feet. Perhaps that’s what drives him on, insecurity and the need to justify himself over and over. Personally, I’m with you. For too long we turned up with Mr Nice guy in charge and minced around nicely. It was all too matey with other manager, Pep & Klopp in particular. 
 

Maybe he shouldn’t get involved, but the chants at Palace, the Radio pile on from people like Blackmore & Doswell and other such stuff is going to fuel the fire even more. Just because he thinks everyone is out to get him, doesn’t mean a large section of the fan base isn’t. 

Edited 29 January, 2023 by Lord Duckhunter

[Weston Super Saint]

1 minute ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

He’s got a chip on his shoulder that’s bigger than his feet. Perhaps that’s what drives him on, insecurity and the need to justify himself over and over. Personally, I’m with you. For too long we turned up with Mr Nice guy in charge and minced around nicely. It was all too matey with other manager, Pep & Klopp in particular.
 

Maybe he shouldn’t get involved, but the chants at Palace, the Radio pile on from people like Blackmore & Doswell and other such stuff is going to fuel the fire even more. Just because he thinks everyone is out to get him, doesn’t mean a large section of the fan base isn’t. 

Maybe the answer is more pile ons if he has a need to justify himself over and over, will give him something to rail against.

Not convinced by the 'nasty fucker' act so far, we may well be slightly harder to beat, but it hasn't stopped everyone except Everton doing so in the league since he took over.

[Turkish]

1 minute ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Maybe the answer is more pile ons if he has a need to justify himself over and over, will give him something to rail against.

Not convinced by the 'nasty fucker' act so far, we may well be slightly harder to beat, but it hasn't stopped everyone except Everton doing so in the league since he took over.

80% win percentage in the cup though. We’ve become a brilliant cup side under him. 

[egg]

4 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

All I would say is his chippyness is an act, you can see he is thinking about how he is seen and what people think of him in every single thing he does. He is fragile and needy as any manager I have ever seen.

Not interested in the "we're not nice any more" stuff. Someone was on here saying "people don't come to St Mary's any more thinking we will roll over and let them win" or some such guff. On the back of 5 league defeats from 6. 

That, right there, is the power of PR over reality.

I'm not sure it's an act at all. I agree it's fragility/insecurity. He must have massive fear of failure and getting the boot. I think he's genuine, but finding it all a bit much. 

[Weston Super Saint]

3 minutes ago, Turkish said:

80% win percentage in the cup though. We’ve become a brilliant cup side under him. 

That'll keep us warm on a cold Tuesday night in Plymouth or Stoke!

[Turkish]

9 minutes ago, egg said:

I'm not sure it's an act at all. I agree it's fragility/insecurity. He must have massive fear of failure and getting the boot. I think he's genuine, but finding it all a bit much. 

People from welsh mining villages aren’t fragile!

[egg]

7 minutes ago, Turkish said:

80% win percentage in the cup though. We’ve become a brilliant cup side under him. 

Absolutely. Next season we might make the 4th round of the fa cup and get drawn against one of the PL big boys, like Bournemouth or Burnley.