Nathan Jones

[S-Clarke]

3 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

absolutely.  Actually, I think Rasmus said "The manager of the year"

Madness either way

To be fair he did win the previous EFL Championship Manager of the year.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

1 minute ago, Toadhall Saint said:

If we had gone down that route I think the fan base may have given VK more support? 

Quite possibly, rightly or wrongly he would have been seen as a "name". 

[FarehamSaintJames]

2 hours ago, Chewy said:

Even though relegation will be entirely the boards fault for not getting a striker?

Im not a Jones fan, but it’s this single thing that will get us relegated, cost Ralph his job, will probably cost Jones his job and will cost the jobs of a lot of staff we’ll have to lay off to cut costs for the championship.

Ralph and Jones will still be loaded with their pay-offs but I imagine many others won’t. Either way it’s pretty galling that the people responsible will keep their jobs, no doubt, while a lot of others suffer.

To some extent I agree, but this is a manager who was very highly rated, they’ve backed somewhat in this window and we’re still in a similar position with arguably similar performances. 
Six weeks he had over the World Cup to implement his ideas and he began by playing weird teams, weird positions and five at the back against relegation rivals. 🤷🏻‍♂️

By the end of the season he’ll have been here for seven months. I’d say that’s plenty enough by then, which is why I think he’ll be gone in the summer.

[Toussaint]

27 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I can't see how his stock will rise if we get relegated. He could probably get himself another championship job. 

what I should have added is if we do not get the goal scorer we need and get relegated his stock will rise  

[Lord Duckhunter]

2 hours ago, CB Fry said:

Big Sam/Dyche style manager and you and Duckhunter performing acrobatics to pretend that he isn't really is quite laughable.

Where have I written that he isn’t. I’ve merely pointed out that Fat Sam had an horrendous start to his spell at Notts County before becoming an “innovative” manager. You’re the one performing acrobatics, claiming because it’s Notts County it is somehow different. Me, I’m just pointing out managers can make poor starts at clubs and then turn things around. I’m sure there were County fans wanting him out after 3 games as well, but I guess they’re different because it was the 1990’s. 

Edited 27 January, 2023 by Lord Duckhunter

[CB Fry]

1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Where have I written that he isn’t. I’ve merely pointed out that Fat Sam had an horrendous start to his spell at Notts County before becoming an “innovative” manager. You’re the one performing acrobatics, claiming because it’s Notts County it is somehow different. Me, I’m just pointing out managers can make poor starts at clubs and then turn things around. I’m sure there were County fans wanting him out after 3 games as well, but I guess they’re different because it was the 1990’s. 

Honestly if you are seriously going to compare Sam Allardyce taking Notts County down to Division 4 25 years ago with Nathan Jones being appointed into a Premier League job in 2022 then honestly there is no help for you at all. Not even worth debating, it's an absolutely moronic point.

Jones was hired not to take us down and then magically become a wonder manager later on, he was recruited to keep us up this season. You know, like Ralph Hasenhutl and your hated son-in-law approach did when he took over from Hughes. Funny how successful that was, and how dire your dream "aggresive" football has been so far.

 

[trousers]

4 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Such a Dell-sized mentality.  Rasmus told us we recruited the best manager from Europe's 6th biggest league!

🙃

 

4 hours ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Surely the best manager in the Championship would have been Kompany

 

4 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

absolutely.  Actually, I think Rasmus said "The manager of the year"

Madness either way

 

4 hours ago, Toadhall Saint said:

I though he was for the season just gone?

Yup...

 

[once_bitterne]

On 26/01/2023 at 09:34, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Out of interest, what constitutes a fair crack?

Personally if we lose the next 3 PL matches he has to go.  That would be 8 defeats in 9 PL games and I can't remember us looking this bad since our relegation season and maybe not even then as at that time we were still out of the zone when the final game of the season kicked off.

Getting 30% possession at home against non-Big 6 PL teams is showing something has gone badly wrong.

[hypochondriac]

3 hours ago, once_bitterne said:

Personally if we lose the next 3 PL matches he has to go.  That would be 8 defeats in 9 PL games and I can't remember us looking this bad since our relegation season and maybe not even then as at that time we were still out of the zone when the final game of the season kicked off.

Getting 30% possession at home against non-Big 6 PL teams is showing something has gone badly wrong.

I can't remember us looking more like a lower league team in the prem. 

[wild-saint]

5 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I can't remember us looking more like a lower league team in the prem. 

i can just before the world cup in November 

[hypochondriac]

4 minutes ago, wild-saint said:

i can just before the world cup in November 

We looked fragile and bereft of confidence. For my money, the current tactics we are employing are much more basic and remind me of lower league teams in the Cup against prem teams. 

[Ted Bates Statue]

3 hours ago, once_bitterne said:

Personally if we lose the next 3 PL matches he has to go.  That would be 8 defeats in 9 PL games and I can't remember us looking this bad since our relegation season and maybe not even then as at that time we were still out of the zone when the final game of the season kicked off.

Getting 30% possession at home against non-Big 6 PL teams is showing something has gone badly wrong.

I agree with your overall point, although it would take some doing to be as bad as we were in 2005 when we only won 6 games all season, even with a vastly superior attack. We are currently on 4 wins with half the season gone and I would be surprised if we only got two more wins.

The trouble is that we need about 10 wins in total, plus a few draws and we struggle to get either. 

[Scummer]

8 minutes ago, Ted Bates Statue said:

I agree with your overall point, although it would take some doing to be as bad as we were in 2005 when we only won 6 games all season, even with a vastly superior attack. We are currently on 4 wins with half the season gone and I would be surprised if we only got two more wins.

The trouble is that we need about 10 wins in total, plus a few draws and we struggle to get either. 

One more win would have kept us up that season. I'm amazed how many people seem to have given up, our position is nowhere near as bad as is made out on here.

[danjosaint]

It is with Jones in charge and a basket case of a board

[Chez]

12 hours ago, Scummer said:

One more win would have kept us up that season. I'm amazed how many people seem to have given up, our position is nowhere near as bad as is made out on here.

It ain't great, we really aren't very good, but you don't give up. 

[Daft Kerplunk]

12 hours ago, Scummer said:

One more win would have kept us up that season. I'm amazed how many people seem to have given up, our position is nowhere near as bad as is made out on here.

Is there a position worse than 20th in a 20 team league? The position we are in is as bad as it gets. That doesn’t mean to say we can’t reach 17th place but it’s pretty bad at the moment. 

We could have stayed up in 2005 with one more win but we were chasing for much of the season, which made it harder because it wasn’t in our control and as the other teams kept getting points, the more we had to get. Kind of like the position we find ourselves in today. Saying we could’ve stayed up in May if we’d just won one more game doesn’t really matter if we lose our place in the top flight. 

[Maggie May]

13 hours ago, Scummer said:

One more win would have kept us up that season. I'm amazed how many people seem to have given up, our position is nowhere near as bad as is made out on here.

I’ve not given up. It’s too early to do so.  But the situation is worse than it looks on the table. We desperately need wins and didn’t get them from a run of favourable fixtures.

The teams above us won’t keep losing. We can’t rely on luck, we simply have to start winning more games. To be honest, I can’t see us doubling our current win tally unless we buy a good quality striker. 

[egg]

10 minutes ago, Maggie May said:

I’ve not given up. It’s too early to do so.  But the situation is worse than it looks on the table. We desperately need wins and didn’t get them from a run of favourable fixtures.

The teams above us won’t keep losing. We can’t rely on luck, we simply have to start winning more games. To be honest, I can’t see us doubling our current win tally unless we buy a good quality striker. 

That we didn't get wins is why we're where we are, but the point the poster was making is that we're not cut adrift, and are in touch with other strugglers. Sure, we're bottom but 1 win and we won't be. Don't get me wrong, I think we're probably down, but our future is in our hands and nothing has been decided yet...apart from on here. 

[Maggie May]

59 minutes ago, egg said:

That we didn't get wins is why we're where we are, but the point the poster was making is that we're not cut adrift, and are in touch with other strugglers. Sure, we're bottom but 1 win and we won't be. Don't get me wrong, I think we're probably down, but our future is in our hands and nothing has been decided yet...apart from on here. 

I agree with that. Unfortunately for me, our dreadful form over the past year suggests we don’t have much hope of getting out of this. NJ hasn’t convinced me he will.

[sydney_saint]

15 hours ago, Scummer said:

One more win would have kept us up that season. I'm amazed how many people seem to have given up, our position is nowhere near as bad as is made out on here.

I don't think many have given up at all. The reason why so many are active and vocal is because we know we still have a chance. I definitely believe we still can stay up, but I also believe we are actively making decisions that are giving us less and less chance of survival and that is frustrating. If I thought we were down already I wouldn't really care who is manager, or whether we bring in a striker. But I do believe if we get the manager right, and bring in a decent enough striker that we can still do it. I can see three clubs we can finish above, but it won't be easy. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

1 hour ago, Maggie May said:

I’ve not given up. It’s too early to do so.  But the situation is worse than it looks on the table. We desperately need wins and didn’t get them from a run of favourable fixtures.

 

No it’s not, it’s exactly what it is. It’s not worse or better than the table shows.

“Favourable fixtures” outside of Arsenal & City there’s not really such a thing as favourable or unfavourable. At the start of the season Fulham would have looked favourable as would Brighton, Everton away less so. But Everton was favourable at the moment we played them , whereas Brighton are third in the form guide since WC break (Villa are 6th, Fulham 8th and even Forest are 9th). 
 

I always think 10 wins keeps you up, so we’ve got a long way to go. But looking at X, Y & Z as “favourable” in advance  is pointless because the margins are so tight. This season Liverpool have had some poor days, as have Chelsea, whereas Brighton have been in a rich vein of form. The key is winning when the opposition has an off day, and taking advantage. We don’t because we’ve lacked goals & defensively we’ve been weak. There’s signs we’re slightly better defensively, but we’re still a long way away from addressing the goal scoring problem. 

Edited 28 January, 2023 by Lord Duckhunter

[Dman]

We need to win pretty much the same amount of games in the last 20 as we did in the whole of 2022 and there is absolutely no sign that we will do that. 
 

Short of signing Haaland, ederson & Dias (and Pep), it’s all but a formality and we’re down.  

[S-Clarke]

2 minutes ago, Dman said:

We need to win pretty much the same amount of games in the last 20 as we did in the whole of 2022 and there is absolutely no sign that we will do that. 
 

Short of signing Haaland, ederson & Dias (and Pep), it’s all but a formality and we’re down.  

That's why I find it difficult to see a way out, I'm not looking at it in the short term and seeing us being a couple of points from 14th or whatever - it's what we'd have to do over a prolonged period of time to get the points we need, as it will ultimately be mid 30's at the very least no matter how far away we are from 14th now.

Like you said, that means European qualification level form from now to May. And ourselves, similar to Everton really, aren't going to do that.

Hey, if we're proven wrong it means we've had one of the most epic 2nd halves of the season ever, but there are almost zero signs that this will happen.

[Midfield_General]

1 hour ago, sydney_saint said:

I don't think many have given up at all. 

I have 🙋‍♂️

[Whitey Grandad]

4 minutes ago, Midfield_General said:

I have 🙋‍♂️

I saw a cartoon once that said,

”I feel so much better now that I’ve given up hope”

[richard799]

Another poor game. Wake up Southampton FC time to relieve Nathan Jones of his position.

Wolves appoint their manager not their first choice and climb out bottom 3.

Everton about to sign their second choice if reports confirmed Dyche....and my money would be they too climb out bottom 3.

We sign our clubs first choice lose all games with exception of Everton.....Just simply not good enough...cupgames aside, we are in deep deep trouble, we need a proven striker, and have just about had the whole window, and what do we sign, a Luton defender with no PL Experience, what are the club thinking?

[Badger]

5 minutes ago, richard799 said:

Another poor game. Wake up Southampton FC time to relieve Nathan Jones of his position.

Wolves appoint their manager not their first choice and climb out bottom 3.

Everton about to sign their second choice if reports confirmed Dyche....and my money would be they too climb out bottom 3.

We sign our clubs first choice lose all games with exception of Everton.....Just simply not good enough...cupgames aside, we are in deep deep trouble, we need a proven striker, and have just about had the whole window, and what do we sign, a Luton defender with no PL Experience, what are the club thinking?

Rather like Pelligrino, the cup results have given a bit of false optimism, although not really papering over the cracks.

I'd give up on the campaigning  at this stage. NJ won't be going anywhere soon, so best support him, and the piss poor squad the board have assembled for him.

[HarvSFC]

These bloody fans. Celebrate the win, Nathan, let the results do the talking.

[S-Clarke]

2 minutes ago, HarvSFC said:

These bloody fans. Celebrate the win, Nathan, let the results do the talking.

With the greatest of respect, wtf is he on about now?

[richard799]

1 minute ago, Badger said:

Rather like Pelligrino, the cup results have given a bit of false optimism, although not really papering over the cracks.

I'd give up on the campaigning  at this stage. NJ won't be going anywhere soon, so best support him, and the piss poor squad the board have assembled for him.

I agree with you it feels like we have fallen to the depth of despair like Pellegrino before.

I recall Ralph saying the club needed a striker, and IF BOARD had delivered this would we be in such a dire position, I feel not, Romeu is a huge loss, but the players recruited in year or so will on whole be good I think but you can't go pure youth, otherwise just play B team and disregard A side, surely the club see this simple fact.

I wasn't at the game but listened to the Solent Commentary and it sounded like lots of hoof ball and bad performance with exception we won. Lets keep it in context that this is Blackpool side struggling in Championship.

My fear is who are three worse sides than Saints, without a striker, as said by Ralph needed replacement for Broja loan and Ings before that, all fans can see we struggle for goals.

It is heart breaking to see the club squandering their place in PL only 20 clubs can be in it, no club has devine right to to be there, and I can't see us bouncing straight back, it could take years, time club sorted this debacle out, starting with we made a mistake board NJ Out!!

[Badger]

2 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

With the greatest of respect, wtf is he on about now?

He does seem to be on a collision course with the supporter base doesn't he? 

I think he was right to answer back after the initial outpouring after the Forest game - Paul Doswell and all that - but having handled the following week or so quite well, he should let it go. 

[Dman]

16 minutes ago, HarvSFC said:

These bloody fans. Celebrate the win, Nathan, let the results do the talking.

I mean what he is saying is right I guess, but he and his family really need to stay off social media / web forums. Their skin is clearly not thick enough for it. 

Although, I think at 1-0 down, we’re already out of the game. I can’t foresee Newcastle being as bad as they were Tuesday night. 

[LGTL]

With the greatest of respect Nathan, please just fuck off. 

[notnowcato]

The more I hear “with the greatest respect” the less inclined I am to believe it. 
 

Interviews aren’t worth a shit these days. All the talking is done on the pitch and everyone who has witnessed the performances on the pitch know we’re in deep deep shit. 

[StrangelyBrown]

7 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

No it’s not, it’s exactly what it is. It’s not worse or better than the table shows.

“Favourable fixtures” outside of Arsenal & City there’s not really such a thing as favourable or unfavourable. At the start of the season Fulham would have looked favourable as would Brighton, Everton away less so. But Everton was favourable at the moment we played them , whereas Brighton are third in the form guide since WC break (Villa are 6th, Fulham 8th and even Forest are 9th). 
 

I always think 10 wins keeps you up, so we’ve got a long way to go. But looking at X, Y & Z as “favourable” in advance  is pointless because the margins are so tight. This season Liverpool have had some poor days, as have Chelsea, whereas Brighton have been in a rich vein of form. The key is winning when the opposition has an off day, and taking advantage. We don’t because we’ve lacked goals & defensively we’ve been weak. There’s signs we’re slightly better defensively, but we’re still a long way away from addressing the goal scoring problem. 

Completely agree. We are better defensively but still look incapable of a clean sheet, add this to the fact we just simply don't score anywhere near enough of our chances it's a guaranteed recipe of relegation.

The only way I see us getting out of this is with a striker who actually can put a chance or two away, a new keeper and a manager who can bring the whole club with him; not one who can't keep his ego in check and is hellbent on turning the fans against him.

[Weston Super Saint]

52 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

With the greatest of respect, wtf is he on about now?

He's Welsh. It's the default position to assume the world is against them.

[Scummer]

54 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

With the greatest of respect, wtf is he on about now?

I'm guessing he means the idiot fans who didn't even realise the semi was two legged, and were having a go at the players for not bombing forward with 10 men in the last few minutes on Tuesday. Even after the match, plenty of people walking away from the ground were oblivious

[Miltonaggro]

[saintant]

12 minutes ago, Scummer said:

I'm guessing he means the idiot fans who didn't even realise the semi was two legged, and were having a go at the players for not bombing forward with 10 men in the last few minutes on Tuesday. Even after the match, plenty of people walking away from the ground were oblivious

Whatever he thinks of the fans he needs to be far less chippy because he does himself no favours. Get the team playing well and getting results and that will do all the talking he needs and fans will quickly get off his back. He is paid a lot of money and, as such, must be big enough to endure criticism without getting all petty and precious.

[Miltonaggro]

17 minutes ago, Scummer said:

I'm guessing he means the idiot fans who didn't even realise the semi was two legged, and were having a go at the players for not bombing forward with 10 men in the last few minutes on Tuesday. Even after the match, plenty of people walking away from the ground were oblivious

Really? Where were you watching the ‘idiot fans’ from - the dugout or directors’ box? 

[The Cat]

19 minutes ago, Miltonaggro said:

Really? Where were you watching the ‘idiot fans’ from - the dugout or directors’ box? 

There were people in the Northam having a go at Bazunu for taking time over goal kicks in the last few minutes, telling him to get on with it because we were 1-0 down.

What Jones said is correct, there was no reason to say it though.

[Lord Duckhunter]

2 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

With the greatest of respect, wtf is he on about now?

What he’s on about is idiot fans moaning on Tuesday shouting for them to “get it forward” and throw bodies up front as time was running out. I’m convinced a couple of the fans near me can’t have been aware it was two legs, such was their disgust we weren’t going gung ho. Down to 10 & shot our tactics were right, but he probably shouldn’t highlight the fuckwits amongst our supporters as it gives people another excuse to have a pop at him. 

[ErwinK1961]

Moments today where he was screaming at players to follow instructions they had clearly already been told, but not one of the gormless fckwits even looked at him.

Like others, I don’t think he’s the right man for the job - but we don’t half have some pathetic, half arsed, thick as mince players.

[Miltonaggro]

1 hour ago, The Cat said:

There were people in the Northam having a go at Bazunu for taking time over goal kicks in the last few minutes, telling him to get on with it because we were 1-0 down.

What Jones said is correct, there was no reason to say it though.

Daftees! 

[Chewy]

1 hour ago, The Cat said:

There were people in the Northam having a go at Bazunu for taking time over goal kicks in the last few minutes, telling him to get on with it because we were 1-0 down.

What Jones said is correct, there was no reason to say it though.

This is true. I was there and quite confused at the amount of fans irate at Bazunu not launching the ball forward to get an equaliser. We had ten men, getting safely to full time still just about in this tie was clearly the right play but some fans thought otherwise.

But … with the GREATEST of respect, it was a minority of fans and our manager looks a total melt for raising it in an interview and labelling “everyone” of the fan base as such.

[Bakovnetski]

Jones is no man manager. Anyone who berates his "staff" like he does in full earshot and view of the others will never build a team or get the best out of them and will only encourage the opposition. The quiet word when you can makes all the difference. Poor show.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

2 minutes ago, Chewy said:

This is true. I was there and quite confused at the amount of fans irate at Bazunu not launching the ball forward to get an equaliser. We had ten men, getting safely to full time still just about in this tie was clearly the right play but some fans thought otherwise.

But … with the GREATEST of respect, it was a minority of fans and our manager looks a total melt for raising it in an interview and labelling “everyone” of the fan base as such.

He seems to thrive on confrontation. Isn't this why the Stoke fans couldn't stand him? Obviously the football must have shit too. Just seems to still have this I'm at a small club mentality, so must challenge everything

[LGTL]

Fuck me he mentioned his % win ratio again 😂😂 this bloke is beyond parody.

Calling out the whole fanbase because a few lemons don’t realise how two legged semi-finals work is also spectacularly pointless.

He is stuck in the mindset of Luton. Little old Luton, we need to be AGRESSIVE, CONFRONTATIONAL, GETTING STUCK IN. He is completely and utterly out of his depth at a Premier League football club. Which is handy for him, since we won’t be one much longer. 

Absolutely nothing will convince me that this will end any other way then utter disaster, with a massive load of chaos thrown in for good measure. 

Edited 28 January, 2023 by LGTL

[Saint in Paradise]

Remember the saying "It's the hope that kills you" ? Well I am now quite safe as I no longer have

any hope that Saints will stay up.

[Miltonaggro]

54 minutes ago, LGTL said:

Fuck me he mentioned his % win ratio again 😂😂 this bloke is beyond parody.

Calling out the whole fanbase because a few lemons don’t realise how two legged semi-finals work is also spectacularly pointless.

He is stuck in the mindset of Luton. Little old Luton, we need to be AGRESSIVE, CONFRONTATIONAL, GETTING STUCK IN. He is completely and utterly out of his depth at a Premier League football club. Which is handy for him, since we won’t be one much longer. 

Absolutely nothing will convince me that this will end any other way then utter disaster, with a massive load of chaos thrown in for good measure. 

He’s lucky he inherited the cup runs when he came in, without it in terms of the league his % win ratio must be around 10.5 / 11 %. That’s worse than dear old Lesley Reed who was once voted the worst manager of all time 😂