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Lighthouse

Lighthouse

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  On 08/01/2023 at 16:05, hypochondriac said:

Think we can all agree with that! If we do go down this year it will be as much to do with getting this latest wrong as it is keeping Ralph too long. 

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If we go down this year it'll be down to appaling transfers from Reed and Wilson, years of stagnation and underinvestment from Gao and too little to late from SR. The managers are just a small piece in this puzzle. We've got pretty much the worst squad in the league, which means we will need an exceptional (rather than decent) manager to stay up. 

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hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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  On 08/01/2023 at 16:36, Lighthouse said:

If we go down this year it'll be down to appaling transfers from Reed and Wilson, years of stagnation and underinvestment from Gao and too little to late from SR. The managers are just a small piece in this puzzle. We've got pretty much the worst squad in the league, which means we will need an exceptional (rather than decent) manager to stay up. 

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Personally I think if we had got a decent striker in the summer then Ralph would still be in charge and we wouldn't be in the relegation zone. 

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Chewy

Chewy

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  On 08/01/2023 at 17:07, Saint NL said:

Man City giving Chelsea a spanking, might mean Potter is available soon....

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Was thinking the same. Make it a proper mauling and they might have to pull the trigger.

Give Pitter a month off to sort his pay-off and Jones a month of proving the Palace result was down to 2 gifts not his tactical genius …

Maybe, just maybe. 

Lee On Solent Saint

Lee On Solent Saint

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  On 08/01/2023 at 17:18, Chewy said:

Was thinking the same. Make it a proper mauling and they might have to pull the trigger.

Give Pitter a month off to sort his pay-off and Jones a month of proving the Palace result was down to 2 gifts not his tactical genius …

Maybe, just maybe. 

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Probably have to be quicker than that. Am sure if Potter was sacked, West Ham and Everton would act

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The Curse of St Mary's

The Curse of St Mary's

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New chelsea owners apparently support potter as it's a long term project but Chelsea as a club are so use to buying success I don't think they will hold their nerve and keep faith in potter if this forms continues. Potter probably better off at a club with a long term plan and willingness to accept the ups and the downs. 

adrian lord

adrian lord

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  On 08/01/2023 at 17:27, The Curse of St Mary's said:

New chelsea owners apparently support potter as it's a long term project but Chelsea as a club are so use to buying success I don't think they will hold their nerve and keep faith in potter if this forms continues. Potter probably better off at a club with a long term plan and willingness to accept the ups and the downs. 

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We were saying as much over on the other games thread. 

stknowle

stknowle

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  On 08/01/2023 at 16:42, hypochondriac said:

Personally I think if we had got a decent striker in the summer then Ralph would still be in charge and we wouldn't be in the relegation zone. 

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Yep. That was the key fuck up. Think Ralph lost heart after we didn't get the striker he said we were definitely getting, and I don't blame him for losing heart in those circumstances. The Jones appointment is another issue but also a clear fuck up. I don't think we have any chance of staying up under him new striker or not, but if we don't get one in he has a legitimate excuse to point to.

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macca155

macca155

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  On 08/01/2023 at 17:20, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Probably have to be quicker than that. Am sure if Potter was sacked, West Ham and Everton would act

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He is highly regarded in Europe and may decide to get out of the kitchen for a while. There will be a decent European side available to him. Everton and Saints are way too toxic for him.

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Whitey Grandad

Whitey Grandad

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  On 08/01/2023 at 17:18, Chewy said:

Was thinking the same. Make it a proper mauling and they might have to pull the trigger.

Give Pitter a month off to sort his pay-off and Jones a month of proving the Palace result was down to 2 gifts not his tactical genius …

Maybe, just maybe. 

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A swap? 😬

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Badger

Badger

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  On 08/01/2023 at 17:36, macca155 said:

He is highly regarded in Europe and may decide to get out of the kitchen for a while. There will be a decent European side available to him. Everton and Saints are way too toxic for him.

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I expect Martin and Rasmus will talk him round to the project.

Rasmus is probably drafting a few spreadsheets, and powerpoints for his 'Potter Presentation' as I type.

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Turkish

Turkish

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  On 08/01/2023 at 16:42, hypochondriac said:

Personally I think if we had got a decent striker in the summer then Ralph would still be in charge and we wouldn't be in the relegation zone. 

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That seems to be the fashionable thing to say at the moment our problems run deeper than that. Only one clean sheet this season, an error prone defence, a total reliance on an 18 year old in central midfield. People seem to think of we’d got a new striker then it’d be like Ings was smashing goals in for fun and ending the season with 20-25, the reality is players who score 20-25 goals a season don’t usually do it at clubs like saints. Absolutely a striker would have helped we’d probably have got a least a point at villa and Wolves but only one team in the bottom 6 has scored more than us, but we’ve got the third worst defensive record. Kind of says where our problems are

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hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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  On 08/01/2023 at 18:15, Turkish said:

That seems to be the fashionable thing to say at the moment our problems run deeper than that. Only one clean sheet this season, an error prone defence, a total reliance on an 18 year old in central midfield. People seem to think of we’d got a new striker then it’d be like Ings was smashing goals in for fun and ending the season with 20-25, the reality is players who score 20-25 goals a season don’t usually do it at clubs like saints. Absolutely a striker would have helped we’d probably have got a least a point at villa and Wolves but only one team in the bottom 6 has scored more than us, but we’ve got the third worst defensive record. Kind of says where our problems are

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Of course they do and I'm not for a minute saying our problems would have been solved at all. I'm just saying that so many of our games this year have been lost by the odd goal and imo if we had someone who could finish we would probably have something like six more points. Not enough to be happy with the telly but enough for Ralph to still be here. 

Charlie Wayman

Charlie Wayman

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  On 08/01/2023 at 17:27, The Curse of St Mary's said:

New chelsea owners apparently support potter as it's a long term project but Chelsea as a club are so use to buying success I don't think they will hold their nerve and keep faith in potter if this forms continues. Potter probably better off at a club with a long term plan and willingness to accept the ups and the downs. 

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That's ruled us out on two counts then.

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Roo1976

Roo1976

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  On 08/01/2023 at 16:42, hypochondriac said:

Personally I think if we had got a decent striker in the summer then Ralph would still be in charge and we wouldn't be in the relegation zone. 

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so why do you think we didn't go for what is now, bloody obvious?

Mr X

Mr X

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  On 08/01/2023 at 19:23, Roo1976 said:

so why do you think we didn't go for what is now, bloody obvious?

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We had a 1st choice striker and a 2nd choice that both turnt us down/fell through.... Apparently we had no 3rd choice on the list it seems.  Or maybe we never had any targets to begin with and it was a right royal f*!k up! 

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Weston Super Saint

Weston Super Saint

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  On 08/01/2023 at 19:28, Mr X said:

We had a 1st choice striker and a 2nd choice that both turnt us down/fell through.... Apparently we had no 3rd choice on the list it seems.  Or maybe we never had any targets to begin with and it was a right royal f*!k up! 

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Which seems mental as every single player we get linked to is one we've been 'scouting / watching for ages'....

hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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  On 08/01/2023 at 19:28, Mr X said:

We had a 1st choice striker and a 2nd choice that both turnt us down/fell through.... Apparently we had no 3rd choice on the list it seems.  Or maybe we never had any targets to begin with and it was a right royal f*!k up! 

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Yep I personally we put a load of eggs on Gakpo towards the end of the window and we had nothing else when he turned us down. 

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Dirkdiggler

Dirkdiggler

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  On 08/01/2023 at 16:42, hypochondriac said:

Personally I think if we had got a decent striker in the summer then Ralph would still be in charge and we wouldn't be in the relegation zone. 

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100% agree! SR really dropped a bollock by not sorting this glaring issue out.

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Mr X

Mr X

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  On 08/01/2023 at 19:34, hypochondriac said:

Potter has to be sacked soon surely. If he is then I couldn't see a better fit for him than Saints. 

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I would swap Jones for him in a heartbeat even if we get relegated he'd be great 

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coalman

coalman

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  On 08/01/2023 at 19:34, hypochondriac said:

Potter has to be sacked soon surely. If he is then I couldn't see a better fit for him than Saints. 

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Boehly has come out and said that Potter is part of his project long term and he's not bothered about results in the short term. I'd love Potter at Saints.

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Smirking_Saint

Smirking_Saint

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  On 08/01/2023 at 17:08, Lee On Solent Saint said:

I'd add a far more experienced keeper to that too

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Its not really a coincidence that our last 3 keepers have been poor as well as a shaky defence infront of them.. I agree Baz has had a poor season but GKs are only really as good as what infront of them and we’re absolutely terrible defensively and have been for years

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Smirking_Saint

Smirking_Saint

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  On 08/01/2023 at 21:17, coalman said:

Boehly has come out and said that Potter is part of his project long term and he's not bothered about results in the short term. I'd love Potter at Saints.

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This is all well and good until if becomes more evident that he’s lost the changing room… owners can have long term vision but 500m pounds worth of players won’t be as willing to wait it out

Fan The Flames

Fan The Flames

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  On 09/01/2023 at 03:00, Smirking_Saint said:

This is all well and good until if becomes more evident that he’s lost the changing room… owners can have long term vision but 500m pounds worth of players won’t be as willing to wait it out

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Maybe the Chelsea owner wants to challenge that mindset, which will make him stick with Potter even more.

Saint86

Saint86

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  On 08/01/2023 at 21:17, coalman said:

Boehly has come out and said that Potter is part of his project long term and he's not bothered about results in the short term. I'd love Potter at Saints.

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I'd love him at saints, sadly by the time he becomes available (or we have a vacancy) i think we'll be looking like a championship side and he'll likely be out of our league.

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Smirking_Saint

Smirking_Saint

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  On 09/01/2023 at 07:05, Fan The Flames said:

Maybe the Chelsea owner wants to challenge that mindset, which will make him stick with Potter even more.

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Maybe… I do hope he does because sacking a manager every 6 months is ridiculous, but from the outside it looks to me like the players are starting to let him down

Ive got zero love for Boehly/Chelsea these days anyway, from the Tuchel sacking to hoovering up every ounce of anyone remotely showing talent

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once_bitterne

once_bitterne

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  On 06/01/2023 at 11:33, Lord Duckhunter said:

Yes I did watch. It was as bad as Brentford away last season, which I also watched. If you’re judging the last 10 mins of games, I presume you thought the attempt to beat 9 men Newcastle under Ralph as bad. 
 

Don’t you think claiming Lyanco couldn’t get in the Havant side or Jones couldn’t manage in the Championship valid criticism, or emotional nonsense? 

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Lyanco is amongst the top 3 worst CBs I have ever seen at Saints alongside Alan (Gordon) Bennett and the amusingly self-nicknamed Pedro 'Pele' Montiero.  He may not be the worst footballer but he is as thick as mince which makes him an utter liability given the absurd things he does every single game.

It's funny you mentioned Havant as 'Pele' was signed in the Championship but was playing part-time football for them a few years after Saints.

AlexLaw76

AlexLaw76

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  On 09/01/2023 at 08:25, Smirking_Saint said:

Maybe… I do hope he does because sacking a manager every 6 months is ridiculous, but from the outside it looks to me like the players are starting to let him down

Ive got zero love for Boehly/Chelsea these days anyway, from the Tuchel sacking to hoovering up every ounce of anyone remotely showing talent

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Chelsea are the most successful club over the last 20 years with exactly that policy with their managers

tajjuk

tajjuk

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  On 09/01/2023 at 08:29, Wiggles31 said:

No chance Potter would come to us. 

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He probably would if he got sacked at Chelsea, can’t see him getting a bigger job after that. He doesn’t even have the name someone like Lampard can rely on. He would be looking at bottom third PL or top championship imo, which is basically where we will be. He is also a project manager and we are basically set up as project club. 

LGTL

LGTL

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He just comes across as a bit of a bellend. So passive aggressive and at the moment, absolutely nothing to back it up with. 

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S-Clarke

S-Clarke

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He's obviously aware of the fans opinion of him, he posts on here at the end of the day so he's seen it all!

Against Forest 'long ball' wasn't a myth, it's what I watched for 90mins. Long ball into the channels. Chris Cohen was even directing Salisu to do such a thing, at which point Salisu did it and then shrugged his shoulders (if anyone else noticed that).

We weren't long-ball against Palace, but Forest was pretty frightening.

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