Nathan Jones

[S-Clarke]

5 minutes ago, saintscottofthenortham said:

For me, the buck stops with who made two key decisions...

1) Letting Romeu go when we didn't have any sign of a replacement.

2) Letting the window close without (at least one) forward.

 

There are obviously plenty of other issues, but those two factors have been the recipe for a utter demise this term, when we were already treading on thin enough ice.

I think the club saw AMN as an option to cover for Romeu, but I agree they judged that wrong. I don't think it's fair to say they let him go without a replacement though, they just got the wrong sort.

The lack of quality up front is the major killer for us. That's why we are where we are period.

Without Broja last season we'd be gone, without Ings in the seasons prior to that we'd be gone. We didn't add anything this summer and went into the season hoping that Adams and Armstrong will score the goals. I like Adams and he's a good player for a team in the PL, but he is not a consistent goal scorer in any way. The club have had 2 years to see that before their eyes.

We needed to go all out and sign an attacker in the window, but we didn't. There were players out there who could have added to us. I fail to believe Gakpo was even an option, I think it was just chatter to appease the fanbase. He was always going to be too expensive.

I got a lot of confused faces on a post when I made a comment at the end of the window saying that failing to sign a striker will undo all of the good work earlier on in the window. But it has, in fact it's trashed our season and immediate future.

[Christhetoerag]

19 minutes ago, danjosaint said:

Some of this i agree with, BUT he had to go, he was a large reason where were at, mentally piss poor, couldnt decide on best team, massive ego that eventually ruined the team ethos that we had at the start of his tenure. He had favourites that werent beneficial to the team, fell out with several players including Broja who looked the perfect fit in early days, but the clappers will tell you he was lazy and went hiding, sevetal players regressed under him due to his obsession with work off the ball, something in region of 65-70 goals conceded in a season, and not withstanding the 2 9v0s it was the leeds/west brom games where we also could of conceded 9 or chelsea where they stopped playing at 6 could very well have been 10, im glad he's gone. The issue is SR and Rasmus have been fucking woeful, the £70m wasted could have had a massive positive impact on our team along with the right manager and had us competing for around 10-12th place, fancy spending that money and making us worse, its no good making £60m on Tino and Lavia then losing £200m dropping out of epl, honestly believed the Rasmus hype from his Brentford days but im afraid he's looking more and more like a clown as days go past along with that prick Semmens who also has to be a large part of our clusterfuck of the last 5yrs

Nathan Jones cant decide on his best team either. You all complain about Ralph swapping his players each week but NJ had 5 weeks to work with the squad without the pressure of competitive games and what do we get, fresh team each game just swapping rubbish players with even more rubbish players. Get a proven manager; not a mediocre lower league one and buy 2 decent strikers. Get rid of the ones weve got

[egg]

1 minute ago, Christhetoerag said:

Nathan Jones cant decide on his best team either. You all complain about Ralph swapping his players each week but NJ had 5 weeks to work with the squad without the pressure of competitive games and what do we get, fresh team each game just swapping rubbish players with even more rubbish players. Get a proven manager; not a mediocre lower league one and buy 2 decent strikers. Get rid of the ones weve got

Not that easy. Players don't want to sign for a club at the bottom of league, and other clubs won't want to sign our shit players.

You can't criticise Jones for mixing things. I can't believe anyone who watched the Brighton game is moaning about Jones changing the team. Of course he had to make changes, we were shit. 

[DonnieD]

But this is the new manager bounce. In a few weeks when the bounce wears off, NJ may lose some of his initial appeal and the players may no longer perform at the top of their potential.

[SotonianWill]

We can't just resign to relegation now. 

[SotonianWill]

2 hours ago, Wade Garrett said:

Get the fucking idiot out now

Me and Mr Jones,

I feel a sacking goin' on,

We both know that it's wrong,

But we're much to shite,

To stay up now 

[Lord Duckhunter]

37 minutes ago, Christhetoerag said:

What do we expect. The owners brought in a mediocre championship manager to take us into the Championship next season. Ralph did his best but got no backing from the owners when he asked for a decent striker. Both Adams and Armstrong are no better than average championship strikers. No ambition from the owners

Has Jones got different players? 

[Lee On Solent Saint]

I think the board were too interested in getting a fee for Oriel. There's no reason why we couldn't have kept him and let him go on a free at the end of the season. Sure, he wouldn't have been a regular starter but he would have been more than adequate cover. The nominal fee we got looks like great business now.

[S-Clarke]

2 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

I think the board were too interested in getting a fee for Oriel. There's no reason why we couldn't have kept him and let him go on a free at the end of the season. Sure, he wouldn't have been a regular starter but he would have been more than adequate cover. The nominal fee we got looks like great business now.

I don't think it was that, there was some sort of link with his deal and our last min moves for Edozie/Larios - as Girona are part of the City Group, so I think it was a bit of a general sweetener. 

[Neef]

The one thing I don't understand about the appointment is this:

In the summer we brought in a bunch of players whose main qualities were their ability in possession. A big plus for signing Bazunu was his composure with his feet and his ability to break lines with passess. Lavia is another, as is DCC. 

Jones has as style of play at complete odds with this. He needs a Target Man upfront, and his tactics seem to negate the strengths we shopped for in the summer. It's the same reason a Dyche wouldn't be right for this squad. The team and the manager seem to have completely different profiles.

[saintscottofthenortham]

57 minutes ago, Christhetoerag said:

Nathan Jones cant decide on his best team either. You all complain about Ralph swapping his players each week but NJ had 5 weeks to work with the squad without the pressure of competitive games and what do we get, fresh team each game just swapping rubbish players with even more rubbish players. Get a proven manager; not a mediocre lower league one and buy 2 decent strikers. Get rid of the ones weve got

Difference is, Ralph oversaw the team we have in situ. NJ has walked in to an already runaway train.

Ralph, despite knowing this team inside out, repeatedly made baffling decisions with both starting XI’s and substitutions.

NJ, whether he is up to this or not, cannot be expected to just walk into a squad as bad as this and just turn them around. It’s a diabolical team.

The proof will be in the January window as to whether he can work with us. Reality is it will all be too late by then, though. 
 

The buck stops with Semmens and Ankersen. They’ve allowed us to sleepwalk into an appalling position. 

[SambaMaverick]

I don't even want NJ if we go down to the Championship. 

Worst PL appointment in recent memory? Bob Bradley and Frank de Boer run him close.

[LGTL]

25 minutes ago, SambaMaverick said:

I don't even want NJ if we go down to the Championship. 

Worst PL appointment in recent memory? Bob Bradley and Frank de Boer run him close.

Comfortably. At least De Boer had some pedigree as a player. We’re right in at the Bradley end of things. 

[bangkoksaint]

2 minutes ago, LGTL said:

Comfortably. At least De Boer had some pedigree as a player. We’re right in at the Bradley end of things. 

In fairness at least NJ hasn’t started saying ‘PK’ yet!

[Pamplemousse]

I'm getting close to saying NJ is worse than Pellegrino

 

If we lose on Wednesday he surely has to be sacked. Surely?

[Smirking_Saint]

14 hours ago, Neef said:

The one thing I don't understand about the appointment is this:

In the summer we brought in a bunch of players whose main qualities were their ability in possession. A big plus for signing Bazunu was his composure with his feet and his ability to break lines with passess. Lavia is another, as is DCC. 

Jones has as style of play at complete odds with this. He needs a Target Man upfront, and his tactics seem to negate the strengths we shopped for in the summer. It's the same reason a Dyche wouldn't be right for this squad. The team and the manager seem to have completely different profiles.

Absolutely spot on and another nail in SR coffin.

Whether SR like it or not we spent years developing a team that plays in a specific way, from all the way back to the Poch appointment we’ve developed a cross between possession or an offshoot of the gagenpress

From what Ive seen and did see of NJs tactics (both now and from his Luton days) its at complete odds to what the team knows, from the youth teams up, and even the players are largely geared towards other tactics

It beggars belief we’ve gone for a complete sea change halfway through the year

[AlexLaw76]

Matt Le God is on twitter claiming he has discovered Nathan Jones is on circa £100k per week.

The man is a fraud and this will be as costly/ridiculous as Pellegrino

[Harry_SFC]

7 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Matt Le God is on twitter claiming he has discovered Nathan Jones is on circa £100k per week.

The man is a fraud and this will be as costly/ridiculous as Pellegrino

Not sure I believe that but nothing would surprise me with this lot. 

[Smirking_Saint]

11 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Matt Le God is on twitter claiming he has discovered Nathan Jones is on circa £100k per week.

The man is a fraud and this will be as costly/ridiculous as Pellegrino

Said this earlier in the thread… its not even as if this was a cheap appointment… it wasn’t… Ralphs severence and the compensation paid to Luton was also reasonably significant 

[egg]

16 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Matt Le God is on twitter claiming he has discovered Nathan Jones is on circa £100k per week.

The man is a fraud and this will be as costly/ridiculous as Pellegrino

Wow. Idiotic if true, but fair play to the bloke if he's managed to blag that. 

[Mr X]

46 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said:

I'm getting close to saying NJ is worse than Pellegrino

 

If we lose on Wednesday he surely has to be sacked. Surely?

As others have said it took them an eternity to pull the trigger on Ralph despite a record number of games lost in a row, They have a track record of stubbornness Why would they admit they've fucked up this early?... It isn't going to happen unfortunately 

[Tamesaint]

58 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Matt Le God is on twitter claiming he has discovered Nathan Jones is on circa £100k per week.

The man is a fraud and this will be as costly/ridiculous as Pellegrino

You had better let the superstar replacement manager who is going to turn our team of dross into world beaters that he can't expect to receive a decent whack. 

Also let him know that he will be sacked after 3 games if a mong forum doesn't like him. 

Edited 1 January, 2023 by Tamesaint

[Dragon_man]

I don't think it's a Nathan Jones OUT thread we need, it's an SR OUT one.

Proving to be incompetent owners with a disasterous first year. Billionaire Dragon can probably easily write off £100m and put it down to 'experience' having enjoyed a playboy spell with a new toy.

Meanwhile saints are in league one, facing financial ruin and staring into oblivion. 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

Premier League manager scouted for ages by new club, gets healthy Premier League wage shocker.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

2 minutes ago, Dragon_man said:

Meanwhile saints are in league one, facing financial ruin and staring into oblivion. 

Derby matches though 🙂

[Dragon_man]

2 hours ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Derby matches though 🙂

I hadn't see it all this time ... How stoopid am I? There is a real master plan.

I'm happy now, two exciting matches per season to look forward to (that's better than now).

Edited 1 January, 2023 by Dragon_man

[Fan The Flames]

3 hours ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Premier League manager scouted for ages by new club, gets healthy Premier League wage shocker.

Although £5m is the top eight prem managers wages, we could have got a better deal. Perhaps we did, MLT is well known for spouting bullshit.

[Miltonaggro]

4 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Matt Le God is on twitter claiming he has discovered Nathan Jones is on circa £100k per week.

The man is a fraud and this will be as costly/ridiculous as Pellegrino

If he’s on 5% of that Semmens should be investigated by the Serious Fraud Office for money laundering.  My guess would be that Nat is on about £50k per annum plus petrol money and reasonable use of the club’s Hungry Horse card. 

[Pamplemousse]

The biggest issue I have with NJ right now is why he's leaving DCC on the bench, an experienced defender who has played at a high level for a number of years now, and keeps on playing Lyanco who keeps on fucking up. And then wonders why we can't defend.

[StrangelyBrown]

Having taken time to reflect on yesterday's performance, what worries me most about the current situation is SR seem to have thrown away "the Southampton way" in favour of a more direct/long ball approach which we are poorly equipped for and could require a rebuild of the club's playing staff from top to bottom. For me it feels like the wrong time and circumstances for a significant change like this.

I'm not sure why NJ believes that was a good performance (aside from the two moments we switched off) - while the second half was better than the 1st we really were poor on the ball for most of the game and seemed to be far too content to let Fulham play - although admittedly we did have more than a couple of decent chances. If this is what good looks like then I can see NJ's tenure being very difficult even if he starts to get some results.

On a positive note where NJ is concerned at least there was a semblance of a plan.

With the new SR approach, I do wonder if we're going to be able to attract the same calibre of technically able players (like Lavia and Edozie) and whether we may switch our attentions to more physical athletic players instead? I guess January will be pretty revealing...

[Lee On Solent Saint]

There is a very real possibility that we could end up being relegated to the Championship, whilst Luton get promoted to the Premier League. Think they are 5th or 6th at the moment. 

[Convict Colony]

24 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

There is a very real possibility that we could end up being relegated to the Championship, whilst Luton get promoted to the Premier League. Think they are 5th or 6th at the moment. 

The MIGS are going to love that, they already call Jones a snake in a friendly sort of way.

[imadirtyurchin]

30 minutes ago, StrangelyBrown said:

Having taken time to reflect on yesterday's performance, what worries me most about the current situation is SR seem to have thrown away "the Southampton way" in favour of a more direct/long ball approach which we are poorly equipped for and could require a rebuild of the club's playing staff from top to bottom. For me it feels like the wrong time and circumstances for a significant change like this.

I'm not sure why NJ believes that was a good performance (aside from the two moments we switched off) - while the second half was better than the 1st we really were poor on the ball for most of the game and seemed to be far too content to let Fulham play - although admittedly we did have more than a couple of decent chances. If this is what good looks like then I can see NJ's tenure being very difficult even if he starts to get some results.

On a positive note where NJ is concerned at least there was a semblance of a plan.

With the new SR approach, I do wonder if we're going to be able to attract the same calibre of technically able players (like Lavia and Edozie) and whether we may switch our attentions to more physical athletic players instead? I guess January will be pretty revealing...

Exactly this really. 
 

tried to take a step back to reflect on the performance and the situation. Feel a little shocked at how much leeway NJ is getting for that performance. It was dire longball football, awful on the eye and not even effective. Especially that first half. 

 

if it is indicative of the way SR and NJ want saints to play then it’s going to be a tough watch. The passing in the first half particularly was woeful. Hit and hope. The tactics don’t seem to suit our current squad. But it also rips up all of the work done in getting the same playing system through the age groups and youth setup. Which is currently being successful… It’s up to them if they want to change I guess, but I think they will struggle to get these tactics working with youngsters in the first team. Which questions about how the NJ approach fits with the supposed philosophy of training technical youngsters and selling them for a profit. Will we even attract them in the first place? All feels so muddled. Very worrying.  
 

and if you go this route why not get a manager with more clout and experience ?

im at a loss really - feel pretty despondent 

[Lord Duckhunter]

5 minutes ago, imadirtyurchin said:

The tactics don’t seem to suit our current squad. But it also rips up all of the work done in getting the same playing system through the age groups and youth setup. Which is currently being successful… 

I can’t believe they’re ripping up the impressive tactics that worked so well this past year. Tactics that have us in the top 90 of the pyramid form table. Shocking. 

Edited 1 January, 2023 by Lord Duckhunter

[imadirtyurchin]

11 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

I can’t believe they’re ripping up the impressive tactics that worked so well this past year. Tactics that have us in the top 90 of the pyramid form table. Shocking. 

Sure that’s one interpretation - I think if they had invested in a striker or two that were actually decent and could finish then we wouldn’t be in this situation.

 

but regardless. You don’t have any concerns about the new approach? About it’s ability to work with the squad we have? No concerns that the successful youth teams might be affected? 

[Lord Duckhunter]

44 minutes ago, imadirtyurchin said:

 

 

but regardless. You don’t have any concerns about the new approach? About it’s ability to work with the squad we have? No concerns that the successful youth teams might be affected? 

I couldn’t give a shiny  about the “successful” youth teams, I don’t see much of a pathway to the first team or us producing any first team players.

The “new approach “ can hardly be any worse than the old one. The mentality at the club is just not tough enough, we’re soft as shite from top to bottom. The Saints way, it’s just a load of old pony. If the new approach instills some backbone into the club, I'm all for it.

Edited 1 January, 2023 by Lord Duckhunter

[stevy777_x]

1 hour ago, imadirtyurchin said:

Exactly this really. 
 

tried to take a step back to reflect on the performance and the situation. Feel a little shocked at how much leeway NJ is getting for that performance. It was dire longball football, awful on the eye and not even effective. Especially that first half. 

 

if it is indicative of the way SR and NJ want saints to play then it’s going to be a tough watch. The passing in the first half particularly was woeful. Hit and hope. The tactics don’t seem to suit our current squad. But it also rips up all of the work done in getting the same playing system through the age groups and youth setup. Which is currently being successful… It’s up to them if they want to change I guess, but I think they will struggle to get these tactics working with youngsters in the first team. Which questions about how the NJ approach fits with the supposed philosophy of training technical youngsters and selling them for a profit. Will we even attract them in the first place? All feels so muddled. Very worrying.  
 

and if you go this route why not get a manager with more clout and experience ?

im at a loss really - feel pretty despondent 

Are we meeting the target metrics though?

[wadesmith]

If a 18 months ago someone had told me that we were going to sell Danny Ings, not buy a new striker at the start of the season & get the manager that Stoke fans say is there worst in recent history I would be thinking ‘That sounds like a recipe to be bottom at Christmas’..so can we all just agree I was right.

Edited 1 January, 2023 by wadesmith

[Convict Colony]

22 minutes ago, wadesmith said:

If a 18 months ago someone had told me that we were going to sell Danny Ings, not buy a new striker at the start of the season & get the manager that Stoke fans say is there worst in recent history I would be thinking ‘That sounds like a recipe to be bottom at Christmas’..so can we all just agree I was right.

 

[Saint Keef]

I know time is not on our side, but if we can hang on with NJ for another couple of weeks, we may find Graham Potter suddenly becomes available.

[Roo1976]

14 minutes ago, Saint Keef said:

I know time is not on our side, but if we can hang on with NJ for another couple of weeks, we may find Graham Potter suddenly becomes available.

i think what people forget is that whoever comes in or not,  its still going to be the same squad.Will DCC get a chance ahead of Lyanco?, will Stuart A get in ahead of Moi?................if not why not? are they somehow better? why didnt Lavia figure? came on for a cameo roll with 7 mins on the clock why? if the manager thought he could make a difference do it when we had the injury?

[Bad Wolf]

6 hours ago, sfc4prem said:

Just praying on some luck that sees one or two of our shots deflected massively into the back of the Forest net.

We are owed a win by these players. Just imagine getting paid 60k a week to be shite.

I have it on good authority that Ralph's pay out was 10 million quid and that was STILL the lowest compensation amount of any sacked PL manager this season.

[The Kraken]

3 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said:

I have it on good authority that Ralph's pay out was 10 million quid and that was STILL the lowest compensation amount of any sacked PL manager this season.

I struggle to believe that. He only had another 18 months on his contract.

[SaturdayGirl]

I have it on good authority that Ralph's pay out was 10 million quid and that was STILL the lowest compensation amount of any sacked PL manager this season.

 

Why hes still not our manager I`ll  never know .

[Midlandsaint]

Just now, SaturdayGirl said:

I have it on good authority that Ralph's pay out was 10 million quid and that was STILL the lowest compensation amount of any sacked PL manager this season.

 

Why hes still not our manager I`ll  never know .

Is this Ralph’s burner account? 

[SaturdayGirl]

Ralph had enough nouse to protect us from the clubs management ... now we are truely in a relegation fight though the points to 12th in the league are close .  NJ had better be better than i`m expecting but the points are close enough a change of form makes a huge jump in this league at the moment .

 

[CB Fry]

1 hour ago, Bad Wolf said:

I have it on good authority that Ralph's pay out was 10 million quid and that was STILL the lowest compensation amount of any sacked PL manager this season.

 

37 minutes ago, SaturdayGirl said:

I have it on good authority that Ralph's pay out was 10 million quid and that was STILL the lowest compensation amount of any sacked PL manager this season.

Is this forum getting its contributions from bot-farms now?

 

[Jonnyboy]

3 hours ago, CB Fry said:

 

Is this forum getting its contributions from bot-farms now?

 

She was replying to him. 

[Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd]

I have to laugh. I made my feelings about Jones known on here when he was appointed and was told to 'Fuck off and support Luton'.

Nice to see that people are already coming round to the fact that the bloke is a tosser and completely out of his depth. He's an egomaniac who hasn't got a clue, tactically.

Nathan Jones is interested in one thing... Himself. 

To quote one of my mates who I go to the odd Luton game with... "So far, Rob Edwards is certainly playing a better style of football, which isn't difficult as Jones didn't have any style.

Obviously it’s very early days but signs are positive. No ridiculous badge kissing / chest thumping or shouting “fucking come on” after every game, which is refreshing after that ego maniac, Jones.

Jones shouldn't have been allowed to return after he went to Stoke. The vast majority of fans didn't want him back and even making the play offs didn't change people's opinions of him.

What makes me laugh is that someone at saints is supposed to have done their homework and I've no idea what they saw that made them think he was a Premiership manager? If he's so great then why were other Championship clubs not beating down the door for his signature at the end of last season?

I genuinely feel sorry all Saints fans having to endure that prick."

 

[Miltonaggro]

9 hours ago, Midlandsaint said:

Is this Ralph’s burner account? 

That or one of Nathan’s.