Nathan Jones

[saintant]

2 hours ago, CB Fry said:

No one expects to beat Man City any more so fans aren’t going to go into those games in anything other than supportive mode. 

If Leeds got dicked 1-3 at home to Brighton then their fan base would not jolly it all along clapping and cheering their heroes like loyal little soldiers. They'd be fuming and booing and leaving early. 

I think it is already getting tiresome this idea that all other fans are mega supportive and don't complain and just obediently clap and cheer their teams in all circumstances. But horrid Saints fans uniquely get annoyed when the team are perpetually awful. 

Personally I think stop going on about the fans and let's see if this manager who was recruited specifically to keep us in the Premier League can actually do that.

Completely agree with this.

[saintant]

45 minutes ago, Nordic Saint said:

He took RB Leipzig to runners-up in the Bundesliga and he also turned Saints around after our decline under Pellegrino and Hughes. You don't last 4 years at a Premier League club without being a good manager.  His mistake was not to leave us after two years when his stock was high. I'm sure plenty of clubs wanted him then. If he'd left at the end of the 2019/20 season. he'd have been hailed as a good manager by everyone in the football world. He made the mistake of remaining loyal to an unambitious club which was not prepared to back him financially. Under those circumstances he did well to get us to 11th, 15th and 15th the last 3 seasons. He was clearly disillusioned this season and it was time for him to go but I'll always remember him for putting the heart back in the club and taking us to the top of the Premier League for the first time in our history.  I wish him well in the future. 

He also suffered two embarrassing 9-0 defeats and presided over some long spells where the football was dire and results even worse. Should have gone in the summer along with the other deadwood coaches but his mate Semmens saved his job.

[John Boy Saint]

19 minutes ago, SotonianWill said:

I agree with a lot of this, but this part has got to be a wind up

I’d imagine Blackpool fans roll that little nugget out all the time when talking about the greatness of Holloway 😁

[SotonianWill]

2 minutes ago, John Boy Saint said:

I’d imagine Blackpool fans roll that little nugget out all the time when talking about the greatness of Holloway 😁

Probably bought a stop the count t-shirt

[Nordic Saint]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

Classic Dirk, how many times over the years have you done this act? When a player or manager leaves they become a legend. 

Happy New Year to you too, Del. May you live long and prosper and your wit continue to fail you. 

[Turkish]

3 minutes ago, Nordic Saint said:

Happy New Year to you too, Del. May you live long and prosper and your wit continue to fail you. 

Happy new year dirk 😘

[imadirtyurchin]

Crossposted from the match thread (as was posted there by mistake)

 

According to Tanswell @the athletic the club “have decided over the Christmas period to do pre match pressers after the game before that will be unpublished and the quotes embargoed”

 

now why would they do that? Is a definite change from the Ralph days. To protect NJ? To reduce transparency? I don’t think it bodes well. 

[Wade Garrett]

Get the fucking idiot out now and get Dyche in.  At least we’ll go down fighting.

This bloke is an absolute disaster.  Whoever thought it was a good idea to appoint him should be sacked as well.

We are limping towards relegation.  Fucking embarrassing.

[John B]

2 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

Get the fucking idiot out now and get Dyche in.  At least we’ll go down fighting.

This bloke is an absolute disaster.  Whoever thought it was a good idea to appoint him should be sacked as well.

We are limping towards relegation.  Fucking embarrassing.

I do not think the manager did much wrong today 

 

1 1 would have been a decent result

[Wade Garrett]

1 minute ago, John B said:

I do not think the manager did much wrong today 

 

1 1 would have been a decent result

Negative substitution when we were doing well.  Changing formations 100 times and picking shit players.  He is way out of his depth and needs to fuck off back to Luton.
 

[LGTL]

2 minutes ago, John B said:

I do not think the manager did much wrong today 

 

1 1 would have been a decent result

Settling for 1-1 after Edozie injury cost us the game. Jones is fucking Sunday league. 

[Archers Road Stand]

Very much a long ball team under him. 

What an awful appointment. 

[Baird of the land]

3 minutes ago, LGTL said:

Settling for 1-1 after Edozie injury cost us the game. Jones is fucking Sunday league. 

Perraud substitution said more about our bench Armstrong/Mara than about the manager. When perraud got put through but lacked pace and had to cut back and get tackled i was thinking i wish we'd been able to replace Edozie with Tella(but some austrian idiot loaned him out)

[richard799]

Branfoot

Sturrock

Poortvliet

Pellegrino

Jones, sack him before it's too late.

[Dman]

8 minutes ago, LGTL said:

Settling for 1-1 after Edozie injury cost us the game. Jones is fucking Sunday league. 

Yep. We had them on the ropes. 

[Sheaf Saint]

8 minutes ago, John B said:

I do not think the manager did much wrong today 

He did. He changed the defensive shape yet again when Edozie needed to go off, when all he needed to do was make a like for like sub and stick with the formation that had been working OK up to that point.

It's no wonder our defenders all look so lost and confused all the time when the manager keeps re-shuffling them multiple times during a game. 

Overall it was a better team performance today than against Brighton, but there still doesn't appear to be any discernible plan or system from NJ. 

I really wanted to give him a chance despite his apparent lack of pedigree, but the early signs are pretty worrying. Would we really have done any worse in the last 3 games if we had stuck with Ralph? Can't see it myself.

[bangkoksaint]

17 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

Get the fucking idiot out now and get Dyche in.  At least we’ll go down fighting.

This bloke is an absolute disaster.  Whoever thought it was a good idea to appoint him should be sacked as well.

We are limping towards relegation.  Fucking embarrassing.

We’re not limping towards relegation by any means………we’re hurtling towards it like a run away train!!

[Dman]

2 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

He did. He changed the defensive shape yet again when Edozie needed to go off, when all he needed to do was make a like for like sub and stick with the formation that had been working OK up to that point.

It's no wonder our defenders all look so lost and confused all the time when the manager keeps re-shuffling them multiple times during a game. 

Overall it was a better team performance today than against Brighton, but there still doesn't appear to be any discernible plan or system from NJ. 

I really wanted to give him a chance despite his apparent lack of pedigree, but the early signs are pretty worrying. Would we really have done any worse in the last 3 games if we had stuck with Ralph? Can't see it myself.

No worse, nor no better I expect. Ralph had long enough to turn it around and couldn’t. 
 

However; Jones isn’t and wasn’t ever the right man for us. 
 

Terrible appointment and makes me question Ankerson. We seem to be falling apart on and off the pitch under his stewardship. 

[bpsaint]

8 minutes ago, richard799 said:

Branfoot

Sturrock

Poortvliet

Pellegrino

Jones, sack him before it's too late.

Sturrock doesn’t belong on that list tbf!!

I get the sentiment though and totally agree, appointing jones is going to be be one of the biggest disasters in our history.

[Miltonaggro]

If we get turned over by Forest it’s going to be incredibly hard to find a positive angle to hang our hopes on. Last time a top flight Saints manager lost three in a row was 2014 (Adkins), four back further. My guess is that Jones is here until the summer, even if he continues to drown at low tide in plain sight and we fail to get another point. Ankersen will destroy the club before his own ego. 

[Badger]

4 minutes ago, Dman said:

However; Jones isn’t and wasn’t ever the right man for us. 
 

Terrible appointment and makes me question Ankerson. We seem to be falling apart on and off the pitch under his stewardship. 

This is where the blame lies it would seem.
 

Any anger should be directed at him and Semmens rather than at the manager. 

[Badger]

1 minute ago, Miltonaggro said:

If we get turned over by Forest it’s going to be incredibly hard to find a positive angle to hang our hopes on. Last time a top flight Saints manager lost three in a row was 2014 (Adkins), four back further. My guess is that Jones is here until the summer, even if he continues to drown at low tide in plain sight and we fail to get another point. Ankersen will destroy the club before his own ego. 

At some point you’d expect Dragan to intervene. He won’t want to see his investment go down the pan to satisfy Ted Talk’s ego. 

[Dman]

2 minutes ago, bpsaint said:

Sturrock doesn’t belong on that list tbf!!

I get the sentiment though and totally agree, appointing jones is going to be be one of the biggest disasters in our history.

A bit extreme, we were heading down under Ralph and it was a tough gig for anyone to try and keep this crock of shite up… however, appointing Jones meant that we have 0 hope of staying up. 

[Saint Garrett]

He’s got to go. Todays result was completely on him. So poor tactically 

[Badger]

Just now, Dman said:

A bit extreme, we were heading down under Ralph and it was a tough gig for anyone to try and keep this crock of shite up… however, appointing Jones meant that we have 0 hope of staying up. 

Which is why it needed someone who could organise our shit squad into something hard to beat. And perhaps motivate.

[Roo1976]

10 minutes ago, bangkoksaint said:

We’re not limping towards relegation by any means………we’re hurtling towards it like a run away train!!

but were not adrift by the way so yes a point would have been worthy were still in touch and thats vital .

[Miltonaggro]

Just now, Badger said:

At some point you’d expect Dragan to intervene. He won’t want to see his investment go down the pan to satisfy Ted Talk’s ego. 

Hope so Badger. I get why NJ took the job but the appointment at this point in time was nuts. 

[Badger]

If we don’t win v Forest then I think there could be a pretty hostile atmosphere for the rest of the season. If the crowd can be bothered to show they give a shit anymore. 

[Fan The Flames]

1 minute ago, Badger said:

Which is why it needed someone who could organise our shit squad into something hard to beat. And perhaps motivate.

Exactly, given the position we were in and that the ego of the management team won't allow them to reverse their decision quickly enough, it wasn't the time to take such a gamble.

A team in Brightons posotion could take a gamble when Potter left, but our position meant we couldn't get it so wrong.

[bangkoksaint]

4 minutes ago, Roo1976 said:

but were not adrift by the way so yes a point would have been worthy were still in touch and thats vital .

I know what you’re saying but 4 wins from 29? 

[bpsaint]

18 minutes ago, Dman said:

A bit extreme, we were heading down under Ralph and it was a tough gig for anyone to try and keep this crock of shite up… however, appointing Jones meant that we have 0 hope of staying up. 

Is it? We were a big chunk into the season already and whilst Ralph had to go we needed an established manager that would command respect and sort this team out. Instead we’ve tried to be clever thinking we’ve bought in the next big thing when all we’ve done is recruited somebody well out of their league, quite literally.

I believe the fallout from relegation will be a lot worse than just dropping down a league and everyone will look back to the hiring of Jones as the Sliding Doors moment.

Edited 31 December, 2022 by bpsaint

[Edmonton Saint]

Thought we had a long term vision whereby the academy and b team would be following the same blueprint with regards to tactics , formations etc, and if a new manager came in they would follow the same blueprint.

7 weeks after his appointment, I’m not sure what Jones has done to improve us. He chops and changes formation every 5 minutes, the press is a thing of the pass and we now lump aimless balls forward to Adams. Why the club rushed into appointing this clown and paying compensation is absolutely baffling.

[ally_uk]

I'm scratching my head and still trying to work out why we appointed Jones in the first place ? 

We are in the middle of a relegation battle we needed somebody with experience to steady the ship who can instill a calmness. 

Instead we get in somebody who is unproven at this level and majority of fans can see that he is tactically out of depth...

Like seriously? The logic behind this? It's making my head hurt trying to understand 

[John B]

18 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

He did. He changed the defensive shape yet again when Edozie needed to go off, when all he needed to do was make a like for like sub and stick with the formation that had been working OK up to that point.

It's no wonder our defenders all look so lost and confused all the time when the manager keeps re-shuffling them multiple times during a game. 

Overall it was a better team performance today than against Brighton, but there still doesn't appear to be any discernible plan or system from NJ. 

I really wanted to give him a chance despite his apparent lack of pedigree, but the early signs are pretty worrying. Would we really have done any worse in the last 3 games if we had stuck with Ralph? Can't see it myself.

We did not have any decent attacking players to replace Edozie

 

That is why we are where we are at the moment because we lack goals.

 

Who was going to come on and suddenly change the momentum of the game Stu A came on did OK but nothing great

 

We just  do not have players like Mane Llalana or MLT to bring on to increase the tempo we had Mara and A Armstrong.

 

We were level away from home needing every point we can get so the obvious thing was to make sure we came away with a point just like Everton and Leeds did

 

But the defence had other ideas we were lucky not to lose 3 1 

[Saint86]

41 minutes ago, bpsaint said:

Is it? We were a big chunk into the season already and whilst Ralph had to go we needed an established manager that would command respect and sort this team out. Instead we’ve tried to be clever thinking we’ve bought in the next big thing when all we’ve done is recruited somebody we’ll out of their league, quite literally.

I believe the fallout from relegation will be a lot worse than just dropping down a league and everyone will look back to the hiring of Jones as the Sliding Doors moment.

Ralph didn't have to go, he needed a striker who could score and cdm cover in the summer... We were losing/drawing key games by fine margins under Ralph - despite having to gel a young squad, having played all the best teams, and having had key injuries to abk, lavia, kwp, and Livramento.... If we had had Ralph with a good striker, a 5 week break, and a fit squad, then we'd have got the points required this January. It's a huge failure by the board and recruitment teams. Instead we've hired a manager far shitter than Ralph. But it's crazy how are fans can continue to bemoan the quality of players we have, and yet ignore that Ralph was actually performing a borderline miracle keeping us in touch despite the injuries and lack of quality.

He never had ings replaced, and then no replacement for broja. This summer we basically left him with Ely, aribo, Armstrong, Adams, and edozie - with which to try and score goals (newsflash they can't) and stay competitive. And against that, ABK, lavia, kwp and Livramento were all out injured on the defensive side of the team...

The boo boys wanted him gone, they ignored the performances he had actually been getting and any mitigations that go with it, and they assured everyone we couldn't get a worse manager than Ralph... But hey, game stats and analysis doesn't matter, all that matters is the win rate... 🙄 Despite the signs that we were very nearly there even with the injuries. And now we're definetly looking at a grim 2023.

But I'd suggest no team in the league has a worse attack / midfield than saints. And when you pair that the injuries at the back and the fact we'd played all the best teams, it's a damn miracle we weren't rock bottom. But some fans seemingly thought we should be comfortably mid table (or perhaps even higher) - I mean he had to be way off to justify that atmosphere, the chants, and the sacking... 🤣🙄

Absolute car crash from SR, failed in the summer, fired a manager that would have kept us up to seemingly distract from their own car crash, and then hired a worse mananger in Jones... 

Edited 31 December, 2022 by Saint86

[Miltonaggro]

18 minutes ago, bpsaint said:

Is it? We were a big chunk into the season already and whilst Ralph had to go we needed an established manager that would command respect and sort this team out. Instead we’ve tried to be clever thinking we’ve bought in the next big thing when all we’ve done is recruited somebody we’ll out of their league, quite literally.

I believe the fallout from relegation will be a lot worse than just dropping down a league and everyone will look back to the hiring of Jones as the Sliding Doors moment.

Agree with this. Still well in touch when RH was sacked and some glimpses of promise early in season. Relegation no way inevitable at that point had we got the right people in. Extended World Cup break for new boss to establish and set up, decent run of fixtures in December January and a transfer window to bring in character. Having been in much tighter spots mid season as a club previously. Currently however, things look increasingly bleak, no new manager bounce or apparent buy in from players / fans and we’ve regressed to bingo formations and long ball hit and hope. Jones clearly a heart on sleeve emotional man but rabbit in the headlights not what we needed or need.  All on Sport Republic who up until now appear to believe Ankerson’s hype as the ‘flagship’ is badly listing with an increasingly likelihood of sinking. 

Edited 31 December, 2022 by Miltonaggro
Typo

[bogwoppit]

14 minutes ago, Badger said:

If we don’t win v Forest then I think there could be a pretty hostile atmosphere for the rest of the season. If the crowd can be bothered to show they give a shit anymore. 

Totally agree-I think a large percentage of it will be aimed at the board. Will the club react or will they dig their hills in with their appointment?

I just can’t believe the board , honestly thought this was a progressive step up from Ralph. The fact that they did, is a concern with regards to future decisions.

Not wanting to be a defeatist, but unfortunately I can’t see us stopping up this season.

[Saint86]

1 minute ago, bogwoppit said:

Totally agree-I think a large percentage of it will be aimed at the board. Will the club react or will they dig their hills in with their appointment?

I just can’t believe the board , honestly thought this was a progressive step up from Ralph. The fact that they did, is a concern with regards to future decisions.

Not wanting to be a defeatist, but unfortunately I can’t see us stopping up this season.

It won't matter sadly. Lose to forest and we're certainly down. Heads would well and trully go. 

New manager bounce though... 

[Fitzhugh Fella]

It’s funny how the worse Jones is perceived the better Hasenhuttl becomes. The two are not linked whatsoever. Ralph was a busted flush and the new manager is not up to the job. It’s as simple as that. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

2 minutes ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

It’s funny how the worse Jones is perceived the better Hasenhuttl becomes. The two are not linked whatsoever. Ralph was a busted flush and the new manager is not up to the job. It’s as simple as that. 

The first team haven’t become a shambles overnight, it’s been the whole calendar year. No matter what happens from here, Ralph left a demotivated, weak as piss, mentally weak squad of sub standard players. It’s a pretty poor legacy after nearly 4 years in charge. 

[Andrew Watson]

The saddest thing is Duncan that Ankersen and Semmens are culpable for his appointment and almost certainly will bury their big heads in the sand. What was wrong with Dyche or some one similar as a trouble shooter, god only knows.

[Sheaf Saint]

30 minutes ago, John B said:

We did not have any decent attacking players to replace Edozie

We had players who could play that position - A Armstrong and Mara. Granted they would not have been as effective, but bringing one of them on and staying with the formation that waa looking OK, instead of the very limited Perraud and changing the shape completely, would have been a much better option IMO.

As soon as he made that change, we surrendered the momentum to Fulham and gave up any hope of winning the game. It was a bad call on Jones' part. 

[Lee On Solent Saint]

3 minutes ago, Andrew Watson said:

The saddest thing is Duncan that Ankersen and Semmens are culpable for his appointment and almost certainly will bury their big heads in the sand. What was wrong with Dyche or some one similar as a trouble shooter, god only knows.

Probably should have sounded out Benitez just for the rest of the season. Pretty sure he would keep us on the division. Take stock again at the end of the season. 

[bpsaint]

32 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

Ralph didn't have to go, . 

We’ll agree to disagree on that I guess. This whole mess started under him, the piss poor mentality, random formations and head scratching selections should have seen him gone way before we finally pulled the trigger.

[Badger]

24 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

It won't matter sadly. Lose to forest and we're certainly down. Heads would well and trully go. 

New manager bounce though... 

As I posted previously, other clubs have a ‘new manager bounce’, we do it our own way, as a new manager belly flop.

Nothing new though, seem to remember Burley going a few games before a win. And having looked it up, ‘Arry had seven league games before a win. 

[Badger]

6 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Probably should have sounded out Benitez just for the rest of the season. Pretty sure he would keep us on the division. Take stock again at the end of the season. 

Far too sensible and conventional a choice.

Our visionaries running the club look beyond the obvious to unearth something no other fucker would try.

[danjosaint]

47 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

Ralph didn't have to go, he needed a striker who could score and cdm cover in the summer... We were losing/drawing key games by fine margins under Ralph - despite having to gel a young squad, having played all the best teams, and having had key injuries to abk, lavia, kwp, and Livramento.... If we had had Ralph with a good striker, a 5 week break, and a fit squad, then we'd have got the points required this January. It's a huge failure by the board and recruitment teams. Instead we've hired a manager far shitter than Ralph. But it's crazy how are fans can continue to bemoan the quality of players we have, and yet ignore that Ralph was actually performing a borderline miracle keeping us in touch despite the injuries and lack of quality.

He never had ings replaced, and then no replacement for broja. This summer we basically left him with Ely, aribo, Armstrong, Adams, and edozie - with which to try and score goals (newsflash they can't) and stay competitive. And against that, ABK, lavia, kwp and Livramento were all out injured on the defensive side of the team...

The boo boys wanted him gone, they ignored the performances he had actually been getting and any mitigations that go with it, and they assured everyone we couldn't get a worse manager than Ralph... But hey, game stats and analysis doesn't matter, all that matters is the win rate... 🙄 Despite the signs that we were very nearly there even with the injuries. And now we're definetly looking at a grim 2023.

But I'd suggest no team in the league has a worse attack / midfield than saints. And when you pair that the injuries at the back and the fact we'd played all the best teams, it's a damn miracle we weren't rock bottom. But some fans seemingly thought we should be comfortably mid table (or perhaps even higher) - I mean he had to be way off to justify that atmosphere, the chants, and the sacking... 🤣🙄

Absolute car crash from SR, failed in the summer, fired a manager that would have kept us up to seemingly distract from their own car crash, and then hired Jones... 

Some of this i agree with, BUT he had to go, he was a large reason where were at, mentally piss poor, couldnt decide on best team, massive ego that eventually ruined the team ethos that we had at the start of his tenure. He had favourites that werent beneficial to the team, fell out with several players including Broja who looked the perfect fit in early days, but the clappers will tell you he was lazy and went hiding, sevetal players regressed under him due to his obsession with work off the ball, something in region of 65-70 goals conceded in a season, and not withstanding the 2 9v0s it was the leeds/west brom games where we also could of conceded 9 or chelsea where they stopped playing at 6 could very well have been 10, im glad he's gone. The issue is SR and Rasmus have been fucking woeful, the £70m wasted could have had a massive positive impact on our team along with the right manager and had us competing for around 10-12th place, fancy spending that money and making us worse, its no good making £60m on Tino and Lavia then losing £200m dropping out of epl, honestly believed the Rasmus hype from his Brentford days but im afraid he's looking more and more like a clown as days go past along with that prick Semmens who also has to be a large part of our clusterfuck of the last 5yrs

Edited 31 December, 2022 by danjosaint

[Lord Duckhunter]

3 minutes ago, Badger said:

As I posted previously, other clubs have a ‘new manager bounce’, we do it our own way, as a new manager belly flop.

Nothing new though, seem to remember Burley going a few games before a win. And having looked it up, ‘Arry had seven league games before a win. 

It took Fat Sam 6 games to get a win with WBA, and he was highly experienced in relegation battles by that time. There’s not much difference between how hopeless they were and us. 

[saintscottofthenortham]

For me, the buck stops with who made two key decisions...

1) Letting Romeu go when we didn't have any sign of a replacement.

2) Letting the window close without (at least one) forward.

 

There are obviously plenty of other issues, but those two factors have been the recipe for a utter demise this term, when we were already treading on thin enough ice.

[Christhetoerag]

What do we expect. The owners brought in a mediocre championship manager to take us into the Championship next season. Ralph did his best but got no backing from the owners when he asked for a decent striker. Both Adams and Armstrong are no better than average championship strikers. No ambition from the owners