Nathan Jones

[FarehamSaintJames]

9 minutes ago, trousers said:

On the plus side, it's good to see how these chancer Twitter accounts get followers and re-tweets. I did wonder if there were really that many gullible people on the planet. Turns out there are...

Many out there nowadays. Most of those accounts have paid for the blue tick verification. 👀

[coalman]

Current betting is

Jesse Marsch 2/1
Steven Gerrard 4/1
Sam Allardyce 8/1
Mauricio Pochettino 9/1
Marcelo Gallardo 10/1
Nuno Esprito Santo 10/1
Ruben Selles 12/1

[DT]

15 minutes ago, coalman said:

Current betting is

Jesse Marsch 2/1
Steven Gerrard 4/1
Sam Allardyce 8/1
Mauricio Pochettino 9/1
Marcelo Gallardo 10/1
Nuno Esprito Santo 10/1
Ruben Selles 12/1

Poch! Hilarious. Better off just burning your money

Edited 12 February, 2023 by DT

[Southner]

Someone lump a load of money on Poch, quick. Maybe he'll see it and assume it's the correct thing to do.

[CB Fry]

3 minutes ago, coalman said:

Current betting is

Jesse Marsch 2/1
Steven Gerrard 4/1
Sam Allardyce 8/1
Mauricio Pochettino 9/1
Marcelo Gallardo 10/1
Nuno Esprito Santo 10/1
Ruben Selles 12/1

This is a list clearly showing the bookies haven't got a clue yet. 

But they've worked out, probably from reading this forum, that there are enough stupid people around to lay money on Pochettino coming back to us.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

 Che will be pleased. Hasn’t Marsch been chasing him for a year which kinda tells you a lot about the Yank’s judgement. 

[The Juice]

As Southampton fans, you're my brothers - but any of you who think that we have a chance of Poch coming here are actually mental. 

[S-Clarke]

Just now, Fitzhugh Fella said:

 Che will be pleased. Hasn’t Marsch been chasing him for a year which kinda tells you a lot about the Yank’s judgement. 

It's Leeds who wanted him, not particularly Marsch. He was also on the list when Bielsa was manager, who wanted him strongly.

[whelk]

2 minutes ago, The Juice said:

As Southampton fans, you're my brothers - but any of you who think that we have a chance of Poch coming here are actually mental. 

Whoever selected Jones was more mental

[FarehamSaintJames]

10 minutes ago, DT said:

 

Poch! Hilarious. Better off just burning your money

I’m confused as to what you’re quoting me on here?

What point are you trying to make? I didn’t choose these odds or that shortlist?

See below. 👇🏻

Edited 12 February, 2023 by FarehamSaintJames

[DT]

2 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

I’m confused as to what you’re quoting me on here?

What point are you trying to make? I didn’t choose these odds or that shortlist?

See below. 👇🏻

Sorry; didn’t mean to post your bit, just the odds. 

[Saint Fan CaM]

15 minutes ago, coalman said:

Current betting is

Jesse Marsch 2/1
Steven Gerrard 4/1
Sam Allardyce 8/1
Mauricio Pochettino 9/1
Marcelo Gallardo 10/1
Nuno Esprito Santo 10/1
Ruben Selles 12/1

Wow, Poch ahead of Gallardo?! I’ll give up entirely if Allardyce is appointed. Wouldn’t be surprised to see Selles in charge to end of season.

 

[FarehamSaintJames]

No worries, DT.

All the odds are going to be a bit like Forest's transfer spending at the moment, absolute scattergun. Also they have to just chuck names in there to encourage the betting. No point having a list of two people. You could add Pep to that list if you really wanted. It doesn't make it any more likely or unlikely.

Lampard, Gerrard, Marsch are all gonna be touted because they were recently in Premier League jobs.
Allardyce, Pardew and Bruce will always be there because of the previous Premier League experience.

One of my mates has already sent me an article saying Rooney, Lampard and Gerrard want the job - convenient how this job didn't exist seven hours ago... It's what happens.
All rumours I'd ignore largely for the time being, it'll quieten down over the next couple of days.

Just got to trust SR to get this right. But it'll cost them to make it the right person.
Everyone has a price. Poch is a long shot but not beyond the realms of possibility. Just unlikely.

Edited 12 February, 2023 by FarehamSaintJames

[Mr X]

So from the lack of goodluck wishes to the Welsh wonder it looks like they aren't going to public admit they got it disastrously wrong... And merely hoping that we will forget about it, You would hope they know that the next appointment is probably  the most important one in an our recent history.  We need someone that will galvanise the club and can have an impact straight away. Marsch would be swapping one failed manager for another... We have to do better than that at this stage surely? 

[Saint_Tony]

Whoever comes in will likely need to win half of their league games for us to stay up on 39 points.Whilst there is some promise in this squad, we've just had our run of 'winnable' games, it's not happening. Looks like Marsch is a done deal, but big pressure to get us out the Championship next season.

[Toadhall Saint]

5 minutes ago, Saint_Tony said:

Whoever comes in will likely need to win half of their league games for us to stay up on 39 points.Whilst there is some promise in this squad, we've just had our run of 'winnable' games, it's not happening. Looks like Marsch is a done deal, but big pressure to get us out the Championship next season.

Why is it looking like a done deal? Could just be lazy putting 2 & 2 together 

[stknowle]

Well that was all a bit mental wasn't it. He came, he made us significantly worse, he went. A truly bizarre few months. He was FAR FAR worse than I feared, and I feared he was gonna be REALLY bad.

[Mr X]

So Would they have kept Jones on even longer had he won.against wolves? I fear they would have taken it as he can turn things around again 

[melmacian_saint]

What a glorious, costly waste of time this choice turned out to be.

[sfc4prem]

So many poor chaps and chapettes who still have (a sliver) of hope that we can stay up. I feel for you, I really do.

Embrace acceptance. We will be relegated, sadly. The damage has been done. You can't say 'we are only 4 points away from safety'  without adding in the context of our performances to date and the fixtures we still have to come.

A big refocus needed in the summer. 

[Dark Munster]

4 hours ago, SNSUN said:

Remember when Ralph first came in after the disastrous Hughes era (which I turn came after the disastrous Pellegrino and Puel eras)? 

Corrected for you. 

[Dark Munster]

30 minutes ago, Mr X said:

So Would they have kept Jones on even longer had he won.against wolves? I fear they would have taken it as he can turn things around again 

I think they would've stuck with the tosser even if we had drawn. That's why, just after Wolves equalised, I was fervently hoping for one more goal, and not concerned who scored it! Us: three points; them: the wanker finally sacked.

A draw would've prolonged the agony for a useless one point.

[64saint]

48 minutes ago, Mr X said:

So Would they have kept Jones on even longer had he won.against wolves? I fear they would have taken it as he can turn things around again 

Then we have Bedenark to thank I guess. Just imagine if he hadn't scored that horror OG, we'd have probably gone on to win,the Welsh wizard would have said it's a turning point and .......omg , it doesn't bear thinking about !!!!!

[Totton Saint]

2 hours ago, Mr X said:

So from the lack of goodluck wishes to the Welsh wonder it looks like they aren't going to public admit they got it disastrously wrong... And merely hoping that we will forget about it, You would hope they know that the next appointment is probably  the most important one in an our recent history.  We need someone that will galvanise the club and can have an impact straight away. Marsch would be swapping one failed manager for another... We have to do better than that at this stage surely? 

Why not make JWP player manager?

[Yorkshire Saint]

[CWD]

56 minutes ago, sfc4prem said:

So many poor chaps and chapettes who still have (a sliver) of hope that we can stay up. I feel for you, I really do.

Embrace acceptance. We will be relegated, sadly. The damage has been done. You can't say 'we are only 4 points away from safety'  without adding in the context of our performances to date and the fixtures we still have to come.

A big refocus needed in the summer. 

"There is always hope"

Aragorn son of Arathorn, battle of Helms Deep.

[Sheaf Saint]

8 minutes ago, CWD said:

"There is always hope"

Aragorn son of Arathorn, battle of Helms Deep.

"It was only ever a fool's hope"

Gandalf the White, at some other point in the trilogy that I can't quite remember right now.

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

27 minutes ago, 64saint said:

Then we have Bedenark to thank I guess. Just imagine if he hadn't scored that horror OG, we'd have probably gone on to win,the Welsh wizard would have said it's a turning point and .......omg , it doesn't bear thinking about !!!!!

It is wonderful irony and sweet justice that JannyB played such a pivotal role in mad Nate's downfall. I will always treasure that OG from now on

[Ralph Fastenbüttl]

Rooney, Lampard, Gerrard, Marsch - four terrible, terrible options. Please no.

We need an experienced disciplinarian and organiser imo. I'm desperately hoping Potter gets the sack. I'd even take Moyes if he was booted. Poch remains the dream but it goes without saying that feels HUGELY unlikely.

[Mr X]

I've been a critic of Ralph he was underperforming and had lost interest there's no doubt about that but he seems like Alex Ferguson compared to the best manager in Europe Tm. They say never go back but I would like to think or at least hope he could do slightly better with this squad and the new additions.  I guess Ralph will have the last laugh when we are relegated 

[saintscottofthenortham]

1 hour ago, sfc4prem said:

So many poor chaps and chapettes who still have (a sliver) of hope that we can stay up. I feel for you, I really do.

Embrace acceptance. We will be relegated, sadly. The damage has been done. You can't say 'we are only 4 points away from safety'  without adding in the context of our performances to date and the fixtures we still have to come.

A big refocus needed in the summer. 

A staggering number of our fans really need a wake up call, hey?

We've managed to waste the entire World Cup break and our easiest run of the entire season, on Nathan Jones. As a result, we're now an almost impossible proposition to try and sell to an even remotely respectable manager.

The damage is done. The first serious knife wound was Forest at home and we've been defenceless to every fatal blow since. If we'd have won yesterday, we would still have had an enormous task at hand. That was the final nail in our coffin.

We're done. Accept. Reset.

[woodsaint1]

12 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

So, we're going to get rid of him, then take him back, like Bednarek?

No I meant I could see him at a Cardiff or Rotherham or Reading etc midway through next season when they sack their manager. Yes hes failed miserably in the PL, but some lower half championship teams will take a punt on him

[Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd]

[Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd]

You just know we'll employ some muppet like Marsch. He'll guide us to a win at Chelsea and they'll sack Potter, by which time we'll have missed out on Potter by a matter of days. 😩

Edited 12 February, 2023 by Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd

[CB Fry]

1 minute ago, Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd said:

You just know we'll employ some muppet like Marsch. He'll guide us to a win at Chelsea and they'll sack Potter, by which time we'll have missed out by a mater of days. 😩

When Graham Potter gets sacked by Chelsea, he is not going immediately take a job at some shitty relegation threatened team. This is not a computer game. He'll go off and take some time out etc etc. You'll notice Thomas Tuchel wasn't in the frame for the Bournemouth job when Scott Parker got sacked. 

Honestly.

 

 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

58 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

You'll notice Thomas Tuchel wasn't in the frame for the Bournemouth job when Scott Parker got sacked.

 

 

Only because everyone knows Tuchel's dream job is with us. 🙂

[Saint Keef]

Isn't it the case with pay-offs that if you you get re-employed elsewhere you lose that pay-off?  I don't know, but maybe someone here can explain. If that is the case, why would Potter come straight to us and lose what I would imagine, will be be a very substantial pay-off from Chelsea. I agree with those who think Potter would be an ideal fit here, but for reasons said I just don't see it happening......and does he really need to pressures of a nasty relegation scrap....one that probably won't end well.

[S-Clarke]

Leaving us with some pearls of wisdom here -

So he recalls Bednarek.........yeah, right.

[Appy]

Mail back page tomorrow saying we want Ivan Juric from Torino 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

16 minutes ago, Saint Keef said:

Isn't it the case with pay-offs that if you you get re-employed elsewhere you lose that pay-off?  I don't know, but maybe someone here can explain. If that is the case, why would Potter come straight to us and lose what I would imagine, will be be a very substantial pay-off from Chelsea. I agree with those who think Potter would be an ideal fit here, but for reasons said I just don't see it happening......and does he really need to pressures of a nasty relegation scrap....one that probably won't end well.

From what I hear, it varies depending on the contract. Some managers have clauses, that will allow clubs break points. Such as propping up the table, or failure to hit certain milestones. These would reduce the payout, or remove parts of it entirely.

Others have provisions in place that pay an agreed contracted sum should the manager join another club when within his contract period.

[The Cat]

23 minutes ago, Appy said:

Mail back page tomorrow saying we want Ivan Juric from Torino 

[CB Fry]

24 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Leaving us with some pearls of wisdom here -

So he recalls Bednarek.........yeah, right.

The references to the fragility and inexperience of the squad really suggest that collectively there isn't/wasn't the know how to stay up.

But also, if there is such a lack of experience why was he dropping Croatia Internationals from the squads completely?

Oh well. I don't have much faith in Ankersen to find the rightreplacement.

[CB Fry]

29 minutes ago, Saint Keef said:

Isn't it the case with pay-offs that if you you get re-employed elsewhere you lose that pay-off?  I don't know, but maybe someone here can explain. If that is the case, why would Potter come straight to us and lose what I would imagine, will be be a very substantial pay-off from Chelsea. I agree with those who think Potter would be an ideal fit here, but for reasons said I just don't see it happening......and does he really need to pressures of a nasty relegation scrap....one that probably won't end well.

It will vary but basically Chelsea will keep paying him until he gets a new job.

However I would think that he is tasked to getting into the Champions League, so if he fails to do that his dismissal conditions will change.

I remember with David Moyes Manchester United sacked him within 24 hours of it being mathmatically impossible for them to finish top four that season. There will be break points.

Whatever happens he is no way going to immediately take the Saints job or anything like it.

[S-Clarke]

8 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

The references to the fragility and inexperience of the squad really suggest that collectively there isn't/wasn't the know how to stay up.

But also, if there is such a lack of experience why was he dropping Croatia Internationals from the squads completely?

Oh well. I don't have much faith in Ankersen to find the rightreplacement.

That's one of the big takeaways from Jones tenure for me, contradictions everywhere.

[Saint_clark]

15 minutes ago, The Cat said:

I'd be surprised if we're willing to pay out for another manager. 

[Sheaf Saint]

Let's just take a little time to reflect on this from 3 months ago...

So what was this clear identity that you promised us Nathan? Because at no point during your tenure did I see anything remotely resembling one on the pitch.

 

[Pat from Poole]

The Danish chap Jess Thorup will tick an awful lot of Ankersen’s boxes in his spreadsheet.

We have crossed paths with him before, and it didn’t end well for us….

[CamberwellSaint]

Ok, so he's gone. Good. 

A couple of observations: 

Walking straight down the tunnel after a defeat, leaving your players on the pitch [especially when you're a manager who gives it large in front of the fans after a win] speaks to extreme lack of class, grace and respect. This has been increasingly obvious for many weeks now. Given the club had been following him for 18 months before giving him the job, how confident should we be that this board can choose managers?

The club "statement" on the OS doesn't even contain the usual cliches ["thanks Nathan for his efforts", "best wishes for the future"]. This suggests either that he was just as as defensive and self-obsessed behind closed doors as he was in pressers, or that the board have just a little class as Jones does. 

Does our board need a manager who will stand up to them?

 

[S-Clarke]

2 minutes ago, Pat from Poole said:

The Danish chap Jess Thorup will tick an awful lot of Ankersen’s boxes in his spreadsheet.

We have crossed paths with him before, and it didn’t end well for us….

Former FC Midtyland manager isn't he? (when Rasmus was chairman, and they beat us).

Selles was also his assistant at FC Kobenhaven.

Lots of obvious connections there, just feels a bit too obvious for me. We'd have gone for him before if we were keen, as he was free when we sacked Ralph.

Edited 12 February, 2023 by S-Clarke

[Pat from Poole]

Just now, S-Clarke said:

Former FC Midtyland manager isn't he? (when Rasmus was chairman, and they beat us).

Selles was also his assistant at FC Kobenhaven.

Aye.

And he signed Onuachu for Genk…..