Nathan Jones

[Saintscummer]

10 hours ago, James G said:

Either support the team or don't but NJ is two games in, threads like this are incredibly irrational and disrespectful after such a short time. Anyway, best wishes for the New Year👍

Well said James

 

this place is like the loony asylum. I get the frustrations but we are starting to change the way we play as it wasn’t working before the way we played.

 

the shit NJ is getting is really poor form from us as supporters. I watched the Leeds fans sing louder the more goals they conceded last night. We could do with getting more behind our team 

[Hodgey]

I remember when Koeman was on a horrific run, he changed to 5 at the back to stop leaking goals and we rebuilt from there. From what I’ve read Jones likes 5 at the back, if so he should be implementing that and not pandering to others. We absolutely have to become harder to beat as stage one, and if we can’t take easy chances we need to get the single points until we can.

5 at the back should work for us, our ‘wingers’ are all dreadful, we have 3 highly competent cbs, and in Larios and KWP two quick attacking full backs (plus Tino and Perraud). Let’s be honest, 4 at the back hasn’t worked either so we need to do something new.

I’m concerned that Jones has tried to implement this, and got cold feet after friendly losses and Lincoln performance. He now seems to be in no man’s land with a system he dislikes, the players prefer, but still losing games of football.

Even Brighton we’re confused we didn’t play 5 at the back, and any element of surprise didn’t work.

 

[imadirtyurchin]

15 minutes ago, Saintscummer said:

Well said James

 

this place is like the loony asylum. I get the frustrations but we are starting to change the way we play as it wasn’t working before the way we played.

 

the shit NJ is getting is really poor form from us as supporters. I watched the Leeds fans sing louder the more goals they conceded last night. We could do with getting more behind our team 

What “shit” is he getting? 
 

I haven’t seen any personal attacks - mostly it’s been very polite. People are just questioning his ability and lack of experience. Isn’t that just holding people to account? Two games (Lincoln and Brighton) two awful performances. A bewildered and demoralised team that show zero signs of improvement after 6 weeks intensive work with NJ

 

are you the father in law?! 😂

Edited 29 December, 2022 by imadirtyurchin

[niceandfriendly]

James G and Saintscummer I understand it must be hard to read negative comments about your family member, but this is why it's probably best to ignore fans forums while your loved one is employed by the club, especially when the start he has made is such a dreadful one. Good news is he isn't receiving personal hate, just fans are able to see what's happening or more pertinently what hasn't happened after he had 6 weeks to implement some changes, and they're letting their feelings known.

I'm sorry that you have to read these things about someone you know personally, that must truly be difficult. Since Theo has been back at Saints I hate having to read the negativity about him. Hearing such negativity about your own flesh and blood is never nice but I ignore it because I'll only get myself worked up and for no good reason. Take it from me, I highly recommend not coming on here at all and just keeping your heads in the sand. Ignore social media and fans forums and you'll never need to know that these comments are being made.

Edited 29 December, 2022 by niceandfriendly

[Crab Lungs]

35 minutes ago, Hodgey said:

I remember when Koeman was on a horrific run, he changed to 5 at the back to stop leaking goals and we rebuilt from there. From what I’ve read Jones likes 5 at the back, if so he should be implementing that and not pandering to others. We absolutely have to become harder to beat as stage one, and if we can’t take easy chances we need to get the single points until we can.

5 at the back should work for us, our ‘wingers’ are all dreadful, we have 3 highly competent cbs, and in Larios and KWP two quick attacking full backs (plus Tino and Perraud). Let’s be honest, 4 at the back hasn’t worked either so we need to do something new.

I’m concerned that Jones has tried to implement this, and got cold feet after friendly losses and Lincoln performance. He now seems to be in no man’s land with a system he dislikes, the players prefer, but still losing games of football.

Even Brighton we’re confused we didn’t play 5 at the back, and any element of surprise didn’t work.

 

Yeah, I remember that. I think he recognised it wasn’t working and got it changed. Also I remember we had some injuries at the time as well? Either way, it stabilised us for a while until we got going again.

maybe it’s the level of player we have now but I do find it frustrating we’ve got the squad and seemingly the players for it, but they’re absolutely inept at carrying it off.

[bozzer]

Stoke fan in peace. Re Nathan's ability. Be prepared for chopping and changing because this guy ain't got a  clue. He will throw shit at a wall and hope something sticks. We were all scatching our heads when he went back to Luton and started to get results. For you guys sake I hope I'm wrong but this guy is no more than a blagger after a good pay out. Oh yeah has he started the chest pumping and badge kissing yet? Embarrassing 😳 

[cloggy saint]

2 hours ago, Master Bates said:

Friction between players and manager.

https://www.footballinsider247.com/sources-nathan-jones-at-odds-with-southampton-stars-over-formation-change/

We have stars??

[Crab Lungs]

2 minutes ago, cloggy saint said:

We have stars??

Lol.

as much as I have my reservations about NJ, those players can f**k off. What right do they have to dictate? Absolute bunch of losers if true. 

[Turkish]

8 minutes ago, Crab Lungs said:

Lol.

as much as I have my reservations about NJ, those players can f**k off. What right do they have to dictate? Absolute bunch of losers if true. 

Players that have achieved nothing in their careers, have been underperforming for a year have absolutely no right to get to dictate to anyone. Football insider is a comic to be fair though, but these sort of rumours do tend to spread quickly.

Edited 29 December, 2022 by Turkish

[hypochondriac]

12 minutes ago, Crab Lungs said:

Lol.

as much as I have my reservations about NJ, those players can f**k off. What right do they have to dictate? Absolute bunch of losers if true. 

Indeed. Players are paid to do what they're told to the best of their ability. 

[LGTL]

5 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Players that have achieved nothing in their careers, have been underperforming for a year have absolutely no right to get to dictate to anyone. Football insider is a comic to be fair though, but these sort of rumours do tend to spread quickly.

I agree but one thing 99% of ‘elite’ footballers have above all else is arrogance and an exaggerated sense of self worth.

It doesn’t surprise me in the slightest if the nonsense on the touchline and all the ‘now we enjoy our football boys’ is making them irritated, it’s just too Sunday League for Premier League footballers. 

Edited 29 December, 2022 by LGTL

[Crab Lungs]

These guys have hid behind a succession of managers and have had zero accountability for their year on year failures. If true, I actually hope NJ tells them to do one.

but like Turkish said, it is a bit of a comic. If true though .. 🙄

[saintant]

1 hour ago, Hodgey said:

I remember when Koeman was on a horrific run, he changed to 5 at the back to stop leaking goals and we rebuilt from there. From what I’ve read Jones likes 5 at the back, if so he should be implementing that and not pandering to others. We absolutely have to become harder to beat as stage one, and if we can’t take easy chances we need to get the single points until we can.

5 at the back should work for us, our ‘wingers’ are all dreadful, we have 3 highly competent cbs, and in Larios and KWP two quick attacking full backs (plus Tino and Perraud). Let’s be honest, 4 at the back hasn’t worked either so we need to do something new.

I’m concerned that Jones has tried to implement this, and got cold feet after friendly losses and Lincoln performance. He now seems to be in no man’s land with a system he dislikes, the players prefer, but still losing games of football.

Even Brighton we’re confused we didn’t play 5 at the back, and any element of surprise didn’t work.

 

Larios is miles away from being ready to compete against men in the Premier league.

[The Curse of St Mary's]

The players have proven time and time again they have no resilience or heart. They fold like a pack of cards 9/10 when faced with adversity. I think there has been an element of bad coaching which has ingrained some bad habits but these players need to show some bottle and desire. Without that we might as well be relegated now.  That said I truly believe Nathan Jones won't last the season. His tactics and style have no place in the PL. What were the club thinking ? It reeks of trying to be too clever but doing it on the cheap. Look at the calibre managers Brighton and wolves have appointed that's the big difference.

[Saintscummer]

1 hour ago, imadirtyurchin said:

What “shit” is he getting? 
 

I haven’t seen any personal attacks - mostly it’s been very polite. People are just questioning his ability and lack of experience. Isn’t that just holding people to account? Two games (Lincoln and Brighton) two awful performances. A bewildered and demoralised team that show zero signs of improvement after 6 weeks intensive work with NJ

 

are you the father in law?! 😂

I didn’t say he is getting personal ( although people have been taking the piss out of his religious beliefs - which I couldn’t give a monkeys about ). 
 

is there not a NJ out thread ?? After two proper games. One win and a loss against a form team. 
 

he needs months. Every manager does 

[SambaMaverick]

Just now, Saintscummer said:

I didn’t say he is getting personal ( although people have been taking the piss out of his religious beliefs - which I couldn’t give a monkeys about ). 
 

is there not a NJ out thread ?? After two proper games. One win and a loss against a form team. 
 

he needs months. Every manager does 

We haven't got months mate, we've got the next five games... 😆

[Pamplemousse]

Footy Insider is known to be made up bullshit. I'm not a fan of NJ at all but the article simply isn't true.

[Saintscummer]

49 minutes ago, niceandfriendly said:

James G and Saintscummer I understand it must be hard to read negative comments about your family member, but this is why it's probably best to ignore fans forums while your loved one is employed by the club, especially when the start he has made is such a dreadful one. Good news is he isn't receiving personal hate, just fans are able to see what's happening or more pertinently what hasn't happened after he had 6 weeks to implement some changes, and they're letting their feelings known.

I'm sorry that you have to read these things about someone you know personally, that must truly be difficult. Since Theo has been back at Saints I hate having to read the negativity about him. Hearing such negativity about your own flesh and blood is never nice but I ignore it because I'll only get myself worked up and for no good reason. Take it from me, I highly recommend not coming on here at all and just keeping your heads in the sand. Ignore social media and fans forums and you'll never need to know that these comments are being made.

Are you 11 years old ?

[Lee On Solent Saint]

1 minute ago, Saintscummer said:

I didn’t say he is getting personal ( although people have been taking the piss out of his religious beliefs - which I couldn’t give a monkeys about ). 
 

is there not a NJ out thread ?? After two proper games. One win and a loss against a form team. 
 

he needs months. Every manager does 

Trouble is, we haven't got months. If results and performances stay in this vein, we will be relegated by the middle of March.

[LGTL]

2 minutes ago, Saintscummer said:

I didn’t say he is getting personal ( although people have been taking the piss out of his religious beliefs - which I couldn’t give a monkeys about ). 
 

is there not a NJ out thread ?? After two proper games. One win and a loss against a form team. 
 

he needs months. Every manager does 

I hope you told him over Christmas dinner that we don’t have months, and asked him what the fuck he’s been doing for the last 6 weeks?

[Miltonaggro]

[Smirking_Saint]

12 minutes ago, Saintscummer said:

I didn’t say he is getting personal ( although people have been taking the piss out of his religious beliefs - which I couldn’t give a monkeys about ). 
 

is there not a NJ out thread ?? After two proper games. One win and a loss against a form team. 
 

he needs months. Every manager does 

We don’t have months

Also every manager doesn’t need months at all.. both Lopetegui and De Zerbi hit the ground running… as did Howe and even Gary O’Neil

[Mr Nimbus]

I said it on another thread, that performance against Lincoln and additionally the comments he made after the game, really put him in a difficult position. 

Top level managers know that performance, regardless of result is absolutely fundamental these days. It allows people to kind of get a sense of what you're looking to do and as such "buy in"

Add in the performance against Brighton being completely shambolic, questionable selctions in both games back and not being a "glamour appointment" he is working on the back foot.

He needs results if a defined pattern of play is not something he wants to be wedded too and right now that doesn't seem likely.

All IMO of course, others may see it completely differently 

[Marsdinho]

9 minutes ago, Saintscummer said:

I didn’t say he is getting personal ( although people have been taking the piss out of his religious beliefs - which I couldn’t give a monkeys about ). 
 

is there not a NJ out thread ?? After two proper games. One win and a loss against a form team. 
 

he needs months. Every manager does 

Next time you see him, can you ask him:

- Why aren't the dinosaurs mentioned in the bible?

- What language did Adam and Eve speak

- How did 2 Koala bears get all the way from the Ark to Australia 

- How did Noah fit c.18m animals onto a boat a 3rd of the size of the QE2?

If he cant provide clear answers, he should resign. I don't want delusional fools that believe made up stories making important decisions at Saints. 

 

[Miltonaggro]

42 minutes ago, cloggy saint said:

We have stars??

Brown stars at present. 

[davefizzy14]

12 hours ago, James G said:

Either support the team or don't but NJ is two games in, threads like this are incredibly irrational and disrespectful after such a short time. Anyway, best wishes for the New Year👍

Exactly this. People need to get a grip and get behind Nathan Jones and the team

Edited 29 December, 2022 by davefizzy14

[Smirking_Saint]

2 minutes ago, Marsdinho said:

Next time you see him, can you ask him:

- Why aren't the dinosaurs mentioned in the bible?

- What language did Adam and Eve speak

- How did 2 Koala bears get all the way from the Ark to Australia 

- How did Noah fit c.18m animals onto a boat a 3rd of the size of the QE2?

If he cant provide clear answers, he should resign. I don't want delusional fools that believe made up stories making important decisions at Saints. 

 

Are you a child ?

[Midfield_General]

3 hours ago, Master Bates said:

Friction between players and manager.

https://www.footballinsider247.com/sources-nathan-jones-at-odds-with-southampton-stars-over-formation-change/

There isn’t a single source or scrap of evidence in that story to back up the claim in the headline. FI is a joke of a site and that story is literally made up. By all means let’s criticise Jones for what we see on the pitch, but not for fictional bollocks written by a fantasist who pretends to be a journalist. 

[Chez]

1 hour ago, Hodgey said:

I remember when Koeman was on a horrific run, he changed to 5 at the back to stop leaking goals and we rebuilt from there. From what I’ve read Jones likes 5 at the back, if so he should be implementing that and not pandering to others. We absolutely have to become harder to beat as stage one, and if we can’t take easy chances we need to get the single points until we can.

5 at the back should work for us, our ‘wingers’ are all dreadful, we have 3 highly competent cbs, and in Larios and KWP two quick attacking full backs (plus Tino and Perraud). Let’s be honest, 4 at the back hasn’t worked either so we need to do something new.

I’m concerned that Jones has tried to implement this, and got cold feet after friendly losses and Lincoln performance. He now seems to be in no man’s land with a system he dislikes, the players prefer, but still losing games of football.

Even Brighton were confused we didn’t play 5 at the back, and any element of surprise didn’t work.

You make some good points, but every time we play five a the back we look terrible IMO. We get overloaded out wide, leave gaps behind the wingbacks, have CBs going out into wide areas where they look uncomfortable and in general players just seem lost. Like you say though, the current system isn't working either.

By the way, Larios isn't quick. His legs move quickly, but he's not quick.

[Chez]

1 hour ago, Crab Lungs said:

Yeah, I remember that. I think he recognised it wasn’t working and got it changed. Also I remember we had some injuries at the time as well? Either way, it stabilised us for a while until we got going again.

maybe it’s the level of player we have now but I do find it frustrating we’ve got the squad and seemingly the players for it, but they’re absolutely inept at carrying it off.

it wasn't just going to a back five, we stopped trying to go toe-to-toe in terms of attractive passing football with teams better than us, we also smashed long down the channels for Shane to chase, turning sides around and getting us up the pitch. We kept things simple, didn't overplay and most importantly out-worked teams. Man City at our place was a case in point.

It stopped the rot, but having got ur mojo back we didn't stick with it too long. Maybe it could work for us now, but simply having more defensive players won't be enough. There needs to be a mind shift and a huge change in attitude when it comes to working with and without the ball. 

[cloggy saint]

Now another club has done it we can press on without looking too ridiculous  https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/dec/29/crawley-town-sack-manager-matthew-etherington-after-34-days-in-charge

 

 

[Maggie May]

I really want to support NJ but he massively needs a result against Fulham, otherwise the club will need to act fast.  I fear the struggle to survive will be too great with the squad currently we have.

I think a major issue here is that the club have struggled to sell the NJ project to the fanbase.  While I’m still scratching my head over his appointment, NJ’s been fighting a losing battle from the very beginning. The club haven’t exactly justified swapping Ralph for an unproven manager in the PL. 

The mic training session was a faux pas, his press conferences are the same regurgitated questions and answers, largely on how much it is a privilege for him to manage in the PL and how “Rome wasn’t built in a day”.

Give us some bloody hope.

NJ truly needs to say it how it is. We are not good enough and haven’t been for the past year.  Both the club and NJ have done nothing to galvanise the fan base or the players from what I can see.  

Edited 29 December, 2022 by Maggie May

[Scummer]

33 minutes ago, Smirking_Saint said:

We don’t have months

Also every manager doesn’t need months at all.. both Lopetegui and De Zerbi hit the ground running… as did Howe and even Gary O’Neil

De Zerbi took over a team that was flying, 4th in the league, and didn't win for something like 6 matches.

[Smirking_Saint]

Just now, Scummer said:

De Zerbi took over a team that was flying, 4th in the league, and didn't win for something like 6 matches.

And yet at no point did he look like he’d managed to take thr team backwards, especially against league 1 opponents 

[stknowle]

36 minutes ago, Smirking_Saint said:

We don’t have months

Also every manager doesn’t need months at all.. both Lopetegui and De Zerbi hit the ground running… as did Howe and even Gary O’Neil

Indeed, and none of them had 6 free weeks to work with their squads.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

2 minutes ago, Scummer said:

De Zerbi took over a team that was flying, 4th in the league, and didn't win for something like 6 matches.

But they weren't being massively outplayed and had a clear game plan. They still knew what they were doing and what was expected of them. Out lot just seem to want to hit it long and hope for the best. 

[Scummer]

2 minutes ago, Smirking_Saint said:

And yet at no point did he look like he’d managed to take thr team backwards, especially against league 1 opponents 

You know they lost against Charlton last week, don't you?

[InvictaSaint]

2 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

Personally I don't have any time for this (if the players are throwing their toys out).

They have been SHIT for years, they are in no position to dictate anything. If this is true they need to STFU or get the hell out of my club, as they've stunk it out for years with their shitness.

👏👏👏👏👏

[derry]

Firstly give the guy a fair go. I didn't like either team he has selected to date. If he doesn't get what he is working with then he and we are in even deeper mire. I will say that there are many players that flatter to deceive in training but are hopeless in real games. Performances in games are the only measure of a players worth. With that in mind if he doesn't ditch the showboaters, lazy and mentally weak, and over impetuous and rash players by the time the cup games are over then it's going to be obvious to everybody he doesn't get it. Included in that are forwards despite plenty of opportunity, hiding, don't get into the goal area, spectate and miss chance after chance.

Until then give the bloke a fair go because it won't take long to see the players favoured and the blend or lack of it and effort. If the players don't bust a gut now they never will. A manager stays or goes on his results. If it isn't turned around quickly it will be obvious.

Edited 29 December, 2022 by derry

[Smirking_Saint]

26 minutes ago, Scummer said:

You know they lost against Charlton last week, don't you?

They’re also 7th in the league

Just admit the fact that your man Nathans spent 8 weeks googling how to be a premier league manager and little else

[Holmes_and_Watson]

Matthew Etherington sacked by Crawley after 32 days.

[niceandfriendly]

1 hour ago, Saintscummer said:

Are you 11 years old ?

I used to be. Not sure if you’d misread my post or took it as sarcasm, but if you read it again I was actually sympathising with you. As somebody who has a family member in the Saints playing staff I know exactly what it’s like to having to read shit about them and I know it’s not nice. I genuinely recommend staying away from places like this if Nathan is a friend or family member of yours. No malice intended. 

[Hodgey]

Fair enough re Larios, I’ve not seen enough of him but if he isn’t quick and is that small he’ll never make it. Maybe we have another issue at LB then, as I don’t think Perraud can do a wing back job. Hopefully Tino recovers quickly and we can put KWP there, or even AMN at wing back.

I’m hoping Jones is making clear to the board that we don’t need more ‘potential to improve’ players, we need 3 experienced leaders with a bit of the devil in them, even if they have negative sell on potential.

[Sunglasses Ron]

1 hour ago, derry said:

With that in mind if he doesn't ditch the showboaters, lazy and mentally weak, and over impetuous and rash players by the time the cup games are over then it's going to be obvious to everybody he doesn't get it.

I think I’d struggle to assemble a five-a-side team from our squad with that criteria!

[woodsaint1]

2 hours ago, stknowle said:

Indeed, and none of them had 6 free weeks to work with their squads.

Lopetegui had 6 weeks to work with his squad. He chose not to manage their last game before the break (vs Arsenal)

[notnowcato]

3, 4 or 5 at the back debates count for very little when the central midfield is so porous. 
 

Brighton’s only real goal showed that all too clearly. 

[aintforever]

16 minutes ago, woodsaint1 said:

Lopetegui had 6 weeks to work with his squad. He chose not to manage their last game before the break (vs Arsenal)

The difference with him though is he has played and managed at the top level, in six weeks he could easily work out who his best team was. Nath probably spent six weeks watching our lot train thinking they are all brilliant.

[Weston Super Saint]

3 hours ago, Saintscummer said:

I didn’t say he is getting personal ( although people have been taking the piss out of his religious beliefs - which I couldn’t give a monkeys about ). 
 

is there not a NJ out thread ?? After two proper games. One win and a loss against a form team. 
 

he needs months. Every manager does 

Months?

Some teams (well, pretty much every other one than ours!) gets a 'new manager' bounce.

We appoint managers that are that good they need 'months' that we don't have.

[stknowle]

32 minutes ago, woodsaint1 said:

Lopetegui had 6 weeks to work with his squad. He chose not to manage their last game before the break (vs Arsenal)

That is a fair point. Seems Wolves manager made better use of his though.

[saintant]

4 hours ago, derry said:

Firstly give the guy a fair go. I didn't like either team he has selected to date. If he doesn't get what he is working with then he and we are in even deeper mire. I will say that there are many players that flatter to deceive in training but are hopeless in real games. Performances in games are the only measure of a players worth. With that in mind if he doesn't ditch the showboaters, lazy and mentally weak, and over impetuous and rash players by the time the cup games are over then it's going to be obvious to everybody he doesn't get it. Included in that are forwards despite plenty of opportunity, hiding, don't get into the goal area, spectate and miss chance after chance.

Until then give the bloke a fair go because it won't take long to see the players favoured and the blend or lack of it and effort. If the players don't bust a gut now they never will. A manager stays or goes on his results. If it isn't turned around quickly it will be obvious.

I was more than prepared to give him a fair crack of the whip until I saw what he produced after spending 6 weeks working with the squad. Sorry but I expected to see a lot more and it looked more like NJ had arrived the day before the Brighton match and been forced to throw a side together with zero preparation. I admit it's only one game but there were more alarms ringing than when Chernobyl went up.