manji Posted 27 December, 2022 Share Posted 27 December, 2022 I was told that the considerable Gapko money would be used to strengthen up the team. Now I’m hearing we are going to rely on loans 🙄 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 27 December, 2022 Share Posted 27 December, 2022 1 minute ago, manji said: I was told that the considerable Gapko money would be used to strengthen up the team. Now I’m hearing we are going to rely on loans 🙄 probably because decent players wont sign for us permanently 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Kucho Posted 27 December, 2022 Share Posted 27 December, 2022 Our downfall is not having a clear plan and strategy. We seem to sign players who are available on the cheap instead of players who suit the style we want to play (whatever that might be). Mara, Caleta-Car, Liss, Aribo etc. All players signed who don’t improve the squad and challenge others to up their game. I am nearing the point that I would like to have Les and Ross back at the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackedoff Posted 27 December, 2022 Share Posted 27 December, 2022 Arrogance is not the club's downfall. Apathy and Naivity is the cause. Very few comments involved the words Melts,Wrist -Slitters or Bed Wetters after this latest shit show. Looks like the penny has finally dropped,even for the happy clappers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 27 December, 2022 Share Posted 27 December, 2022 2 minutes ago, Dr. Kucho said: Our downfall is not having a clear plan and strategy. We seem to sign players who are available on the cheap instead of players who suit the style we want to play (whatever that might be). Mara, Caleta-Car, Liss, Aribo etc. All players signed who don’t improve the squad and challenge others to up their game. I am nearing the point that I would like to have Les and Ross back at the club. Actually that is our clear plan and strategy. There is only so much you can do with basically the lowest budget in the league. Our strategy is to mix unproven kids with cheap foreigners who haven’t played in the PL before. There’s only so many rabbits you can pull out of that hat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daft Kerplunk Posted 27 December, 2022 Author Share Posted 27 December, 2022 18 minutes ago, hackedoff said: Arrogance is not the club's downfall. Apathy and Naivity is the cause. Very few comments involved the words Melts,Wrist -Slitters or Bed Wetters after this latest shit show. Looks like the penny has finally dropped,even for the happy clappers. When you consider a definition of arrogance, which is: ‘an attitude of superiority manifested in presumptuous claims or assumptions’ then we have a board who assume they are best placed to lead the club (they apparently chose the takeover of SR, probably because it kept them in jobs and as a result of their overconfidence/arrogance) and they are presumptuous in their superiority. The arrogance is believing that they somehow have found a model that nobody else has thought of, or considered, and that their way is the only way for Southampton FC. Arrogance is continuing to follow a path that hasn’t worked so far, and has holes in it that are invisible to people who believe they are exceptional. That’s flawed thinking. Many people could do a better job, with less self-congratulation. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpin4rizeal Posted 27 December, 2022 Share Posted 27 December, 2022 On 26/12/2022 at 18:20, Lighthouse said: So we should always be like the two clubs who happen to be doing well right now on a relatively low budget, just because? That’s very much the anomaly, rather than the norm. We had our turn doing that between 2012 and 2016, it’s never sustainable long term. If I was a betting man I’d say both of those clubs will be fighting relegation in the next couple of seasons. Not often I agree with lighthouse but I agree with this,, we have been penny pinching for too long and it’s finally caught up with us.. like I was saying in the sports republic thread we are purchasing the same priced players we were when we got promoted in the 12-17 m kinda range mostly. Clubs we were at one point competing with are way past that now .. west ham and Leicester are buying players worth 35-40m up whilst we are buying 10 m youngsters.. our transfer policy has stood still You can blame it on recruitment but if you cannot see we are at a disadvantage because of this I don’t know what to tell you.. we could scout the same player but if the likes of Leicester are in for him too he will go there like James Maddison did. also agree that Brentford and Brighton will only keep this going for so long too.. eventually the clubs with more ambition will pick you apart, and even if you have a genius transfer recruiter like Mitchell they will poach him too eventually .. it’s unsustainable unless you have owners who can compete financially ..and you cannot really expect all our recruitment to be hits when we are shopping at a major disadvantage to most of the other teams in the league . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mynameisthehulk Posted 27 December, 2022 Share Posted 27 December, 2022 On 26/12/2022 at 16:01, AlexLaw76 said: I wonder the cost of the Brighton team............ the ones looking like Barcelona on acid at the moment. You've never taken acid have you... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 27 December, 2022 Share Posted 27 December, 2022 Sport Republic seem to have spent more time swanning about trying to expand their portfolio, than focusing on the supposed “flagship” club. They might have spent a few quid in the summer, but they also picked up the club pretty cheaply, one with quite a few assets, and bought players that aren’t likely to depreciate. The only real cost is the wages which must be the lowest in the league. They made an absolute mess of the summer. Long, Forster, Romeu and Redmond would improve our starting XI, which says a huge amount. And would also give us a bit of experience in the club. It was always a huge gamble, and one that has backfired massively. We already had one of the worst squads in the league in the summer, and we made it weaker. Now we’ve also made the managerial position weaker and we have no chance. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mynameisthehulk Posted 27 December, 2022 Share Posted 27 December, 2022 12 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said: Sport Republic seem to have spent more time swanning about trying to expand their portfolio, than focusing on the supposed “flagship” club. They might have spent a few quid in the summer, but they also picked up the club pretty cheaply, one with quite a few assets, and bought players that aren’t likely to depreciate. The only real cost is the wages which must be the lowest in the league. They made an absolute mess of the summer. Long, Forster, Romeu and Redmond would improve our starting XI, which says a huge amount. And would also give us a bit of experience in the club. It was always a huge gamble, and one that has backfired massively. We already had one of the worst squads in the league in the summer, and we made it weaker. Now we’ve also made the managerial position weaker and we have no chance. Long? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 27 December, 2022 Share Posted 27 December, 2022 Just now, mynameisthehulk said: Long? At least he runs. Unlike Adam Armstrong. Pretty sure he’d offer more from a footballing perspective too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mynameisthehulk Posted 27 December, 2022 Share Posted 27 December, 2022 Just now, Saint Garrett said: At least he runs. Unlike Adam Armstrong. Pretty sure he’d offer more from a footballing perspective too. For me there would be little to choose between them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 27 December, 2022 Share Posted 27 December, 2022 7 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said: probably because decent players wont sign for us permanently I'd imagine there's also a bit of fear in the owners now that they could spend £25-30million and have us STILL go down, thinking that money would then have been better served spent next summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roo1976 Posted 27 December, 2022 Share Posted 27 December, 2022 On 26/12/2022 at 19:00, FarehamSaintJames said: I was a season ticket holder from 02-10, and then went to 80% of matches 10-13. In the last five seasons, I’ve been four times. I have no interest in the club getting my money for what has largely been failing performances for years. Those that still fork out on season tickets year after year, quite frankly are mugs. like wise, my wife and i go about 2 times a year but we haven't been for about 3 seasons now there's just no sparkle from the team to suggest spending £80-90 on an hour and a half's drivel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnersaint Posted 27 December, 2022 Share Posted 27 December, 2022 (edited) If the worst does happen there’ll be no Lavia, Tino, JWP, ABK, KWP, DCC Salisu to name but seven. Edited 28 December, 2022 by Winnersaint 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Lion Tamer Posted 28 December, 2022 Share Posted 28 December, 2022 2 hours ago, Saint_clark said: I'd imagine there's also a bit of fear in the owners now that they could spend £25-30million and have us STILL go down, thinking that money would then have been better served spent next summer. I'd guess they are only willing to spend big on players that will be have a good sell on value and there simply isn't anyone available in that bracket in Jan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SotonianWill Posted 28 December, 2022 Share Posted 28 December, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, Winnersaint said: If the worst does happen there’ll be no Lavia, Tino, JWP, ABK, KWP, DCC Salish to name but seven. this team is that sh*t I don’t care who goes tbh, even JWP. *as long as they are adequately replaced of course* Edited 28 December, 2022 by SotonianWill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 28 December, 2022 Share Posted 28 December, 2022 (edited) Rupert Lowe or Martin Semmens ? We may not know the answer for a couple of seasons, but who will history judge as the more damaging to Saints? RL used to get on my tits with some of his his blustering press conferences, but he was at least the real article, a proper Public School ‘old money’ posh chap , who did deliver a stadium before his part in taking us down and to bankruptcy. Some poor manager appointments though. As things stand, Semmens has a good chance of running him close. Received a lot of plaudits during lockdown (interesting he was at his most popular whilst we weren’t actually playing) but the last 12 months have changed all that (last fans forum, ‘ league position doesn’t matter’ , Ralph , NJ, the summer recruitment, if this is his responsibility). No one really knows who the manager appointment rests with of course, may be MS or RA. Might as well throw Ankersens name into the mix as well. His reputation is built with the rise of Brentford on his CV, but we’ll never know how significant his input was there, as opposed to others involved (ambitious chairman, DOF Phil Giles). Like Lowe he seems to see himself as a visionary who can reinvent the wheel, and knows better than those already successful in the game. He may prove to be a genius for us, but on the other hand may go down in history as a Lowe/Sir Clive/Simon Clifford rolled into one* *with a multi-tab fucking spreadsheet of course. Edited 28 December, 2022 by Badger 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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