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1 hour ago, Mr X said:

We were dire against Lincoln absolutely dire but we ground out the result including an offside goal and a clear hand ball that the ref never gave against us, so maybe lady luck is starting to find us attractive! What the heck let's go 3-0 saints! they owe us a boxing day bargain 

Please Jones no Elyonoussi dejenepo or Adam Armstrong! 

Or AMN!

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I'm clinging to the hope that Nath purposely didn't put out a his preferred line-up against Lincoln to keep Brighton guessing. 

A former colleague of mine knew Eddie Howe well and he said Eddie hates going against teams that have just changed manager because they don't know how to prepare properly.

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A couple of miss passes from AMN and the haters are out for him.  FFS give it a rest.  People judge him, incorrectly in my opinion, because he "doesn't care", these same people are gushing over Lyanco because he chucks a couple of fist pumps to the crowd and seemingly don't judge Lyanco's poor quality with the ball as much as they do AMN.  AMN is stoney faced on the pitch, so what?  That's just him, it doesn't seem to change, even when he scored the 4th penalty in a penalty shoot out for Arsenal v Liverpool in the Community Shield he showed no emotion at all.  

He can play CDM and RB to Premier League standard, give him a break.

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11 minutes ago, notnowcato said:

A couple of miss passes from AMN and the haters are out for him.  FFS give it a rest.  People judge him, incorrectly in my opinion, because he "doesn't care", these same people are gushing over Lyanco because he chucks a couple of fist pumps to the crowd and seemingly don't judge Lyanco's poor quality with the ball as much as they do AMN.  AMN is stoney faced on the pitch, so what?  That's just him, it doesn't seem to change, even when he scored the 4th penalty in a penalty shoot out for Arsenal v Liverpool in the Community Shield he showed no emotion at all.  

He can play CDM and RB to Premier League standard, give him a break.

I don't rate AMN or Lyanco judging them both on performance on the pitch not by personality. 

AMN has been sloppy in possession and winning the ball back, doesn't offer what we need when missing Lavia (and Romeu) 

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21 minutes ago, notnowcato said:

A couple of miss passes from AMN and the haters are out for him.  FFS give it a rest.  People judge him, incorrectly in my opinion, because he "doesn't care", these same people are gushing over Lyanco because he chucks a couple of fist pumps to the crowd and seemingly don't judge Lyanco's poor quality with the ball as much as they do AMN.  AMN is stoney faced on the pitch, so what?  That's just him, it doesn't seem to change, even when he scored the 4th penalty in a penalty shoot out for Arsenal v Liverpool in the Community Shield he showed no emotion at all.  

He can play CDM and RB to Premier League standard, give him a break.

I think people are just commenting on what they saw the other night.

I saw someone who couldn't trap a bag of cement, couldn't find his own team mates all night and was over-run in the middle. That isn't new either, he's put in a few of those since he's been here. He has been a massive, massive disappointment. I expected much more, but he struggles to look like a footballer sometimes.

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2 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

I think people are just commenting on what they saw the other night.

I saw someone who couldn't trap a bag of cement, couldn't find his own team mates all night and was over-run in the middle. That isn't new either, he's put in a few of those since he's been here. He has been a massive, massive disappointment. I expected much more, but he struggles to look like a footballer sometimes.

interesting really. I didn't see the Lincoln game but went to Palace away. In CM he looked miles better than anything else we had available  so am a little surprised the reports i read after this game.  

 

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1 minute ago, Saint Matty 76 said:

If just "a couple of miss passes" was your takeaway from that game then you simply were not there.

It wasn’t and I was. A (hopefully) ring rusty performance. No Saint had a better than average game and we continue to look susceptible to a team that moves the ball quickly. 

If the same level of performance happens on Boxing Day we will get thumped. 

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10 minutes ago, notnowcato said:

It wasn’t and I was. A (hopefully) ring rusty performance. No Saint had a better than average game and we continue to look susceptible to a team that moves the ball quickly. 

If the same level of performance happens on Boxing Day we will get thumped. 

I don't disagree with your other takeaways, but AMN in particular was disgraceful on Tuesday. Couldn't trap a ball and the passing was an absolute shambles.

AMN in over Lavia brings our chances of winning Boxing Day down to about 10%.

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3 hours ago, notnowcato said:

A couple of miss passes from AMN and the haters are out for him.  FFS give it a rest.  People judge him, incorrectly in my opinion, because he "doesn't care", these same people are gushing over Lyanco because he chucks a couple of fist pumps to the crowd and seemingly don't judge Lyanco's poor quality with the ball as much as they do AMN.  AMN is stoney faced on the pitch, so what?  That's just him, it doesn't seem to change, even when he scored the 4th penalty in a penalty shoot out for Arsenal v Liverpool in the Community Shield he showed no emotion at all.  

He can play CDM and RB to Premier League standard, give him a break.

More than a couple, to be honest.

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51 minutes ago, notnowcato said:

It wasn’t and I was. A (hopefully) ring rusty performance. No Saint had a better than average game and we continue to look susceptible to a team that moves the ball quickly. 

If the same level of performance happens on Boxing Day we will get thumped. 

It was a standout shit performance from him. This isn’t ‘haters’. He made a difference when came on at Palace but was dreadful on Tuesday

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1 hour ago, wild-saint said:

interesting really. I didn't see the Lincoln game but went to Palace away. In CM he looked miles better than anything else we had available  so am a little surprised the reports i read after this game.  

 

Palace and Bournemouth are exceptions which show he is a player with decent potential. Still in those games it is his carrying of the ball which is his good attribute, his passing always seems to be off but we could deal with that... if it was not for the other 80% of the time watching him being overall nonchalant. It's like he has a solo picnic in midfield, picking his nose whilst players stroll by him with ease. Stinks of a relegation player who dosen't care, you'd take romeu every day of the week.

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On 22/12/2022 at 00:03, Saint Garrett said:

4-1-4-1 for me. Call it a 433 if you wish. 
 

Bazunu;

KWP DCC Sali Perraud;

Lavia;

Elyounoussi JWP SArmstrong Edozie;

Adams

I'd love for a more compact midfield with free attackers. Seemed on Tuesday Mr Jones picked a team with majority defensive players, so we didn't get a good balance. 

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36 minutes ago, whelk said:

It was a standout shit performance from him. This isn’t ‘haters’. He made a difference when came on at Palace but was dreadful on Tuesday

It was ABKs worst half for us, JWP still looks lost, Adam A is stealing a living with what he offered on Tuesday, Lyanco was plenty of puff with little quality, the wing backs look unsure of what’s expected from them. 
AMN gets called out for being lazy and I genuinely believe he is anything but. I’d really like to see him alongside Lavia as a 2 in front of a back 4, currently he’s trying to cover a particularly weak area for us. 

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45 minutes ago, SotonianWill said:

Palace and Bournemouth are exceptions which show he is a player with decent potential. Still in those games it is his carrying of the ball which is his good attribute, his passing always seems to be off but we could deal with that... if it was not for the other 80% of the time watching him being overall nonchalant. It's like he has a solo picnic in midfield, picking his nose whilst players stroll by him with ease. Stinks of a relegation player who dosen't care, you'd take romeu every day of the week.

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I think we’ll continue to massively struggle if we rely on AMN as a defensive midfielder. Alongside Lavia he might have the odd reasonable game, on his own he’s just not cut out for the role. On Tuesday it was noticeable how much better (or less shite) he looked when going out to RB.

Hes not a holding a midfielder. At all. And with KWP fit, he’s not our right back. I wonder if he could do a job in a 4-2-3-1 on the right of the 3. Maybe, maybe not.

We need Lavia fit and firing. And until then our next least-worse option is JWP doing more of a disciplined job in front of the back 3/4, which is far from ideal.

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52 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

I think we’ll continue to massively struggle if we rely on AMN as a defensive midfielder. Alongside Lavia he might have the odd reasonable game, on his own he’s just not cut out for the role. On Tuesday it was noticeable how much better (or less shite) he looked when going out to RB.

Hes not a holding a midfielder. At all. And with KWP fit, he’s not our right back. I wonder if he could do a job in a 4-2-3-1 on the right of the 3. Maybe, maybe not.

We need Lavia fit and firing. And until then our next least-worse option is JWP doing more of a disciplined job in front of the back 3/4, which is far from ideal.

Wasn’t he originally a winger? I don’t see how you can transition from that role to a deep lying central player. He defintely seems more suited to a wide role, looked a lot better at right back on Tuesday, strikes me as that sort of player that they used to call a utility player, can play a number of positions fairly averagely but none very well

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21 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Wasn’t he originally a winger? I don’t see how you can transition from that role to a deep lying central player. He defintely seems more suited to a wide role, looked a lot better at right back on Tuesday, strikes me as that sort of player that they used to call a utility player, can play a number of positions fairly averagely but none very well

Yeah, I posted a video the other day from an interview he gave when he was playing at Arsenal as a RB.  Link below.

https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/11813263/maitland-niles-right-back-not-my-position
 

At that time he said he was not a defender and hadn’t really done it before, he was learning as a defender. Said he’s an attacking player, central or wide. As the interview above says, he needed to find a proper fixed position but he’s never done that, and like you say he’s a Jack of all trades and master of none.

The AMN thing with us is akin to getting someone like Oxlade-Chamberlain a few years back but then playing him as a holding midfielder. It’s just not going to work all that well.

 

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Just now, OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint said:

Hope NJ doesn't but if Adam Armstrong plays, watch the runs he goes on. Against Lincoln, he seemed to run behind central defenders and you're thinking, there's no way anyone can find a pass to you there.

At the start of the season he did okayish playing wide left, he’s seems to have gone backwards again since being moved up front. Maybe he’s an average wide striker?

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12 hours ago, Turkish said:

At the start of the season he did okayish playing wide left, he’s seems to have gone backwards again since being moved up front. Maybe he’s an average wide striker?

I think it's time Armstrong was benched. It's true we don't really have a proper alternative but Mara clearly has some technical ability, although he can't hold the ball up and doesn't do a great deal of work off it. 

Having said that, those are two of Che's main attributes so if they played up top together it may not matter as much. 

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12 hours ago, Turkish said:

At the start of the season he did okayish playing wide left, he’s seems to have gone backwards again since being moved up front. Maybe he’s an average wide striker?

Tell me about it, a guy who sits near me genuinely thought he was brilliant out wide making those runs, he got really excited and loud about it which is fine except he seemed to miss completely the fact it all came to nothing as he either lost the ball or ran up a blind alley.

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How many points have we picked up with Lavia absent? It doesn't feel like many. A strong DM is essential to our game and we're relying on an 18 year old with recurring injury problems. How on earth have we allowed this to happen? 🤦

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1 minute ago, Disco Stu said:

How many points have we picked up with Lavia absent? It doesn't feel like many. A strong DM is essential to our game and we're relying on an 18 year old with recurring injury problems. How on earth have we allowed this to happen 🤦

We let Romeu go, whilst this lad was inured - madness

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2 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

We let Romeu go, whilst this lad was inured - madness

Yep. An incredibly strange decision.

I actually think SR have done okay: clearing out deadwood, improving the coaching staff etc. They've created potential.

But the gaps in the squad are killing us and risk destroying that potential.

They didn't fuck up the last window: they just didn't damn-well finish it.

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1 hour ago, Suhari said:

Yep. An incredibly strange decision.

I actually think SR have done okay: clearing out deadwood, improving the coaching staff etc. They've created potential.

But the gaps in the squad are killing us and risk destroying that potential.

They didn't fuck up the last window: they just didn't damn-well finish it.

They fucked up the last window by not finishing it. Leaving us without a striker, and no DM cover, was negligent. If we go down, it's on them at least as much the management. 

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I wonder how far Livramento is from match fitness as he's been in the training pictures but nobody has mentioned him? KWP understandably looked off the pace on Tuesday after being out since October. I certainly hope the starting 11 is a bit different on Monday at that the Lincoln game was a useful exercise in waking them all up to reality. Pearce and Morgan were training with the first team squad: I wonder when we'll see them actually play?

Anyway, two sleeps to the next home game, so Merry Christmas all!

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3 hours ago, saintant said:

Clearly a sale has been agreed.

Time to dust off that vintage "Schneiderlin to Arsenal" rumour.

 

(If anyone is genuinely concerned, that Twitter prankster Keenan Finch is reporting this exact rumour. Therefore, rest assured that Lavia is nailed on to be staying put).

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I think we should give Jones a chance with the 3412 if that’s what he wants to use. It’s a formation he used a lot at Luton so I’m up for letting him play this if it’s his way ..

Main thing I wanna see is change Be that in formation or personnel…. I want Jones to bring fresh ideas not the same old shit and elyounoussi every week or we may as well have kept Ralph 

I actually think this formation is absolutely tailor made for Stuart Armstrong as a central playmaker/10 like absolutely ideal for him.. he good carrying the ball forward pretty intelligent And can also make late runs into the box and has a shot on him… 

so if we gonna roll with this formation Armstrong could really benefit 

 

 
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1 hour ago, Dusic said:

No Lavia (or Walcott) in the training pics they just put on the OS.

Rushing Lavia back to start the Liverpool game seems pretty foolish now.

If no Lavia then I can't see us winning, too weak in midfield ,Brighton will dominate there 

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1 hour ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

 

 

I think we should give Jones a chance with the 3412 if that’s what he wants to use. It’s a formation he used a lot at Luton so I’m up for letting him play this if it’s his way ..

Main thing I wanna see is change Be that in formation or personnel…. I want Jones to bring fresh ideas not the same old shit and elyounoussi every week or we may as well have kept Ralph 

I actually think this formation is absolutely tailor made for Stuart Armstrong as a central playmaker/10 like absolutely ideal for him.. he good carrying the ball forward pretty intelligent And can also make late runs into the box and has a shot on him… 

so if we gonna roll with this formation Armstrong could really benefit 

 

 

It might be his favourite, but we’ve been very poor playing 3 at the back for the last 2-3 years, even against league one opposition. I’d rather a 433, albeit it’s slim pickings for the front 3. 

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49 minutes ago, Adman said:

It might be his favourite, but we’ve been very poor playing 3 at the back for the last 2-3 years, even against league one opposition. I’d rather a 433, albeit it’s slim pickings for the front 3. 

I’m just hoping nj will embrace the attacking players with a bit of creativity.. otherwise we may  have well have kept Ralph .. I think it’s pretty obvious to most of us stuey and edozie bring more creativity then the starters.. these two need to be starting .if nj is another of these managers that is obsessed with off the ball I think I’m gonna lose the will.. it’s a bit worrying since his first two line ups still feature moi 

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Woke up with bit optimism…only to remember lavia was rushed back and is still injured ..so i reckon we will lose the battle in midfield.. has to go 4 - 2 - 3 - 1 and have a go .. we are at home don’t show them respect and go after them from the off … stu and edoize please 🙏🏻 

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Lallana on SSN admitting he bottled it when first came back. I can’t be arsed today and long time ago now. Although if he scores and cups his ear then any restraint will go out the window 

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26 minutes ago, whelk said:

Lallana on SSN admitting he bottled it when first came back. I can’t be arsed today and long time ago now. Although if he scores and cups his ear then any restraint will go out the window 

I don't get abusing any player during the game. Apart from anything, it's just going to rile them up and motivate them. Like Kevin Phillips at WBA away that time.

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