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Hi,

I've written the below article about what to expect from Saints under Nathan Jones in terms of tactics, formations and which players are likely to be key to his style of play. Take a look and let me know what you think. Hopefully he hits the ground running as there's a lot of must win games in the next 7 in the league!

https://analyticsunited.co.uk/2022/12/19/what-to-expect-from-nathan-jones-southampton/

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A new manager making a big step up into a difficult position will often lean on the club's senior players, assuming that nobody ever got sacked for picking the old pros. If Jones brings that kind of conservatism it isn't likely to end well, since we know exactly what our senior players are capable of and it isn't enough. He needs to turn the full backs, Edozie, Aribo, Mara + A.N. Other into a dynamic attack full of movement and creativity. Good luck with that.

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2 hours ago, Fraser Spinney said:

Hi,

I've written the below article about what to expect from Saints under Nathan Jones in terms of tactics, formations and which players are likely to be key to his style of play. Take a look and let me know what you think. Hopefully he hits the ground running as there's a lot of must win games in the next 7 in the league!

https://analyticsunited.co.uk/2022/12/19/what-to-expect-from-nathan-jones-southampton/

excellent work!

 

but Nathan Jones is 49, not 59. typo, i would assume.

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13 hours ago, fanimal said:

A reasonable précis based on realistically very little hard evidence as far as the last month goes

Perraud seems to feature prominently so expect wing backs but the big question for me is whether Mara gets to play up front with Adams

He's shown nothing to suggest he's capable of doing it this season at least. Got a lot of promise no doubt, but I don't see him bagging 10 goals in the second half of the season

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1 hour ago, Saint Garrett said:

He's shown nothing to suggest he's capable of doing it this season at least. Got a lot of promise no doubt, but I don't see him bagging 10 goals in the second half of the season

I think there's a proper player in there, and personally I'd play him ahead of Armstrong. He ain't going to develop on the bench, and Armstrong won't get any better than he is now. 

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One thing I hope we address is our use of corners and set pieces.  Prowse seems to be able to put the ball where he wants it, but our corners so often get easily defended and lead to nothing.  We don't really have a Giroud type to get stuck in so I hope we use our imagination a bit more.  

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19 hours ago, Fraser Spinney said:

Hi,

I've written the below article about what to expect from Saints under Nathan Jones in terms of tactics, formations and which players are likely to be key to his style of play. Take a look and let me know what you think. Hopefully he hits the ground running as there's a lot of must win games in the next 7 in the league!

https://analyticsunited.co.uk/2022/12/19/what-to-expect-from-nathan-jones-southampton/

Cant read that article, messes my eyes up!

https://uxmovement.com/content/why-you-should-never-use-pure-black-for-text-or-backgrounds/#:~:text=This makes eyes work harder,of all ages could have.

 

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Exciting times ahead. He’s got the The Brummie Benzema firing again with two great goals, the Malian Messi to come off the bench to rip team apart as they tire, even the Ilford Inestia pulling the strings in midfield or able to seamlessly slot in at right back. Those last five minutes were as breathless as the World Cup final with a host of missed chances and end to end football 

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He was really having a go at players for presumably not doing what he'd asked them to during the game. Gives a lot of instructions so at the least we won't have people complaining about a passive manager as they did with Hasenhuttl. 

He was also frequently involving staff in discussions during the game.

Likes to stray outside the technical area. Wouldn't stand for that if I was 4th official.

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11 minutes ago, The Cat said:

He was really having a go at players for presumably not doing what he'd asked them to during the game. Gives a lot of instructions so at the least we won't have people complaining about a passive manager as they did with Hasenhuttl. 

He was also frequently involving staff in discussions during the game.

Likes to stray outside the technical area. Wouldn't stand for that if I was 4th official.

What was his reaction to those various missed one on ones? The groans of disappointment around the ground summed them up , would have been easier to score I think 

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Well if that is an indication of our 'brave new world' I think I'll watch paint dry over watching Saints.

Utter garbage, not a youngster in sight and same old failing players continuing to fail.

What on earth was our manager doing playing 5 at the back against L1 opposition? 

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I can see nothing changed in the way we play. 5 at the back against a supposedly lower league team? We might as well have kept Ralph at the helm. SR and this manager will be taking us down. The only possible way out is to buy a prolific striker and excellent attacking playmaker in January and we all know that’s not going to happen. I don’t know what they’ve been working on over the last four weeks, but any form of improvement has yet to materialise on the pitch.

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We were sloppy, particularly in the first half, but looking at the other games it sounds like we were not alone. 

The changes were positive and made at good times. 

I have criticised Stu due to his work rate and giving the ball away in our half, do was good to see him further forward. 

Like NJs interview, clear answers.. 

https://www.hampshirelive.news/sport/football/football-news/nathan-jones-southampton-theo-walcott-7952916

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No way are we surviving. Personally expect this experiment to end in complete disaster. We noticeably went longer and it was every bit as horrific as expected, especially with Sunday League Nathan waving his arms frantically on the touchline. 

It’s not going to take long for this to go pear shaped. 

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Got to try and stay a bit optimistic at least until a few games in , quite a few groans in the crowd last night mostly due to AMN giving the ball away then hardly trying to win it back , plus Lyanco misguided long passes failing to reach their target, but as a fanbase we are quite negative 

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What has become obvious from what I have been told and trust me I do get that information.

I was hoping things would change but I don’t think it’s Jones pulling all the strings. The formation last night confirmed what I was told plus he has been told to not prioritise the cup match vs Palace.

 

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8 minutes ago, Pilchards said:

What has become obvious from what I have been told and trust me I do get that information.

I was hoping things would change but I don’t think it’s Jones pulling all the strings. The formation last night confirmed what I was told plus he has been told to not prioritise the cup match vs Palace.

 

Is that why the ridiculous Salisu long throws are still in evidence?

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12 minutes ago, Pilchards said:

What has become obvious from what I have been told and trust me I do get that information.

I was hoping things would change but I don’t think it’s Jones pulling all the strings. The formation last night confirmed what I was told plus he has been told to not prioritise the cup match vs Palace.

 

I think it’s blinding obvious that SR want us to play a back 3. 
 

If they’re trying to enforce that or not I obviously cannot say, but that definitely seems to be their preferred formation. 
 

There’s a reason why Jones was appointed, it obviously wasn’t he managerial pedigree. 
 

So far, really not impressed with SR. 

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Just now, Dman said:

I think it’s blinding obvious that SR want us to play a back 3. 
 

If they’re trying to enforce that or not I obviously cannot say, but that definitely seems to be their preferred formation. 
 

There’s a reason why Jones was appointed, it obviously wasn’t he managerial pedigree. 
 

So far, really not impressed with SR. 

Got to be why we completed preseason and the first 1.5 games with this formation - which is horrible for us.

Weird

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Tough to judge that one, we've not had a game for nearly 6 weeks whereas Lincoln are fully mid-season.

Saying that, 5ATB was cowardly and Maitland-Niles was useless once again. We looked better with a back 4, even if it was almost an entirely second-choice back 4.

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You have to wonder why we didn’t play more friendlies. They looked like a team of strangers so it wasn’t enough. Other clubs seem to have played quite a few, we’ve got rumours of one against Barcelona, the Bournemouth one and a strange one against Bristol city which seemed to be largely youngsters. 

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Playing 3 at the back for our current team is just a no go, we are full of defensive minded players. Your supposed to have the midfield go full attack due to having the 3 that always stays behind. Maitland-Niles is a defender (a very poor one at that), playing him in midfield just wont work in that system, Jwp is to backwards and sidewards and Elyounoussi is just to bloody slow to do anything. Change them for Lavia, Diallo ( is ok when he's not a def midfielder) and Stu Armstrong and you'll see a different result as they are more attack minded. Edozie would probably have to fit in as a striker or playing just off Adams, he needs to start more.

Or Jones can tell the board where to shove their proposed 352 system and go back to his 41212 formation he likes to play and try and find a new def midfielder as well as a striker in the window.

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7 minutes ago, DrunkenSaint said:

Playing 3 at the back for our current team is just a no go, we are full of defensive minded players. Your supposed to have the midfield go full attack due to having the 3 that always stays behind. Maitland-Niles is a defender (a very poor one at that), playing him in midfield just wont work in that system, Jwp is to backwards and sidewards and Elyounoussi is just to bloody slow to do anything. Change them for Lavia, Diallo ( is ok when he's not a def midfielder) and Stu Armstrong and you'll see a different result as they are more attack minded. Edozie would probably have to fit in as a striker or playing just off Adams, he needs to start more.

Or Jones can tell the board where to shove their proposed 352 system and go back to his 41212 formation he likes to play and try and find a new def midfielder as well as a striker in the window.

Jones played predominantly in a 3-5-2 system at Luton.

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On 21/12/2022 at 15:15, DrunkenSaint said:

Playing 3 at the back for our current team is just a no go, we are full of defensive minded players. Your supposed to have the midfield go full attack due to having the 3 that always stays behind. Maitland-Niles is a defender (a very poor one at that), playing him in midfield just wont work in that system, Jwp is to backwards and sidewards and Elyounoussi is just to bloody slow to do anything. Change them for Lavia, Diallo ( is ok when he's not a def midfielder) and Stu Armstrong and you'll see a different result as they are more attack minded. Edozie would probably have to fit in as a striker or playing just off Adams, he needs to start more.

Or Jones can tell the board where to shove their proposed 352 system and go back to his 41212 formation he likes to play and try and find a new def midfielder as well as a striker in the window.

According to the man himself (albeit from a few years ago) he described himself as a midfield attacking player. He says he never played as a defender when he was young and recognises he isn’t/wasn’t very good at defending.  I think we need to dispense with the idea that he is a holding midfielder as he just isn’t very good at it.  Tuesday night was his worst game ever for us playing there, I’d have rather had KWP doing the holding role and AMN at right back where he actually looked ok (not an actual suggested solution, just highlighting how dire he was).

https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/competitions/premier-league/11813263/maitland-niles-right-back-not-my-position/more/22

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1 hour ago, The Kraken said:

According to the man himself (albeit from a few years ago) he described himself as a midfield attacking player. He says he never played as a defender when he was young and recognises he isn’t/wasn’t very good at defending.  I think we need to dispense with the idea that he is a holding midfielder as he just isn’t very good at it.  Tuesday night was his worst game ever for us playing there, I’d have rather had KWP doing the holding role and AMN at right back where he actually looked ok (not an actual suggested solution, just highlighting how dire he was).

https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/competitions/premier-league/11813263/maitland-niles-right-back-not-my-position/more/22

Give him a go up front. 

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