Fraser Spinney Posted 19 December, 2022 Share Posted 19 December, 2022 Hi, I've written the below article about what to expect from Saints under Nathan Jones in terms of tactics, formations and which players are likely to be key to his style of play. Take a look and let me know what you think. Hopefully he hits the ground running as there's a lot of must win games in the next 7 in the league! https://analyticsunited.co.uk/2022/12/19/what-to-expect-from-nathan-jones-southampton/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanimal Posted 19 December, 2022 Share Posted 19 December, 2022 A reasonable précis based on realistically very little hard evidence as far as the last month goes Perraud seems to feature prominently so expect wing backs but the big question for me is whether Mara gets to play up front with Adams 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verlaine1979 Posted 19 December, 2022 Share Posted 19 December, 2022 A new manager making a big step up into a difficult position will often lean on the club's senior players, assuming that nobody ever got sacked for picking the old pros. If Jones brings that kind of conservatism it isn't likely to end well, since we know exactly what our senior players are capable of and it isn't enough. He needs to turn the full backs, Edozie, Aribo, Mara + A.N. Other into a dynamic attack full of movement and creativity. Good luck with that. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintTex Posted 19 December, 2022 Share Posted 19 December, 2022 2 hours ago, Fraser Spinney said: Hi, I've written the below article about what to expect from Saints under Nathan Jones in terms of tactics, formations and which players are likely to be key to his style of play. Take a look and let me know what you think. Hopefully he hits the ground running as there's a lot of must win games in the next 7 in the league! https://analyticsunited.co.uk/2022/12/19/what-to-expect-from-nathan-jones-southampton/ excellent work! but Nathan Jones is 49, not 59. typo, i would assume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted 19 December, 2022 Share Posted 19 December, 2022 44 minutes ago, SaintTex said: excellent work! but Nathan Jones is 49, not 59. typo, i would assume. He'll age a decade in the next few months. 🙂 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangkoksaint Posted 20 December, 2022 Share Posted 20 December, 2022 God article, thanks. One thing though - we did tend to create chances but just didn’t take them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 20 December, 2022 Share Posted 20 December, 2022 13 hours ago, fanimal said: A reasonable précis based on realistically very little hard evidence as far as the last month goes Perraud seems to feature prominently so expect wing backs but the big question for me is whether Mara gets to play up front with Adams He's shown nothing to suggest he's capable of doing it this season at least. Got a lot of promise no doubt, but I don't see him bagging 10 goals in the second half of the season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 20 December, 2022 Share Posted 20 December, 2022 Anybody else getting buffering issues on Saints videos these days? Seems to happen on ever video about 85% of the way through. NJ's PC is latest to suffer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 20 December, 2022 Share Posted 20 December, 2022 1 hour ago, Saint Garrett said: He's shown nothing to suggest he's capable of doing it this season at least. Got a lot of promise no doubt, but I don't see him bagging 10 goals in the second half of the season I think there's a proper player in there, and personally I'd play him ahead of Armstrong. He ain't going to develop on the bench, and Armstrong won't get any better than he is now. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manuel Posted 20 December, 2022 Share Posted 20 December, 2022 One thing I hope we address is our use of corners and set pieces. Prowse seems to be able to put the ball where he wants it, but our corners so often get easily defended and lead to nothing. We don't really have a Giroud type to get stuck in so I hope we use our imagination a bit more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsdinho Posted 20 December, 2022 Share Posted 20 December, 2022 19 hours ago, Fraser Spinney said: Hi, I've written the below article about what to expect from Saints under Nathan Jones in terms of tactics, formations and which players are likely to be key to his style of play. Take a look and let me know what you think. Hopefully he hits the ground running as there's a lot of must win games in the next 7 in the league! https://analyticsunited.co.uk/2022/12/19/what-to-expect-from-nathan-jones-southampton/ Cant read that article, messes my eyes up! https://uxmovement.com/content/why-you-should-never-use-pure-black-for-text-or-backgrounds/#:~:text=This makes eyes work harder,of all ages could have. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fraser Spinney Posted 20 December, 2022 Author Share Posted 20 December, 2022 19 hours ago, SaintTex said: excellent work! but Nathan Jones is 49, not 59. typo, i would assume. Thank you! Yes, sorry, definitely a typo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dman Posted 20 December, 2022 Share Posted 20 December, 2022 It’s so obvious that this Jones experiment isn’t going to work. Let’s just hope the board are ruthless and pull the trigger sooner rather than later and get a proper manager in place. 5 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danjosaint Posted 20 December, 2022 Share Posted 20 December, 2022 Shit 5 at the back and Salisu long throws, is Ralph hanging around like a bad smell 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 December, 2022 Share Posted 20 December, 2022 Exciting times ahead. He’s got the The Brummie Benzema firing again with two great goals, the Malian Messi to come off the bench to rip team apart as they tire, even the Ilford Inestia pulling the strings in midfield or able to seamlessly slot in at right back. Those last five minutes were as breathless as the World Cup final with a host of missed chances and end to end football 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 20 December, 2022 Share Posted 20 December, 2022 He was really having a go at players for presumably not doing what he'd asked them to during the game. Gives a lot of instructions so at the least we won't have people complaining about a passive manager as they did with Hasenhuttl. He was also frequently involving staff in discussions during the game. Likes to stray outside the technical area. Wouldn't stand for that if I was 4th official. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 20 December, 2022 Share Posted 20 December, 2022 11 minutes ago, The Cat said: He was really having a go at players for presumably not doing what he'd asked them to during the game. Gives a lot of instructions so at the least we won't have people complaining about a passive manager as they did with Hasenhuttl. He was also frequently involving staff in discussions during the game. Likes to stray outside the technical area. Wouldn't stand for that if I was 4th official. What was his reaction to those various missed one on ones? The groans of disappointment around the ground summed them up , would have been easier to score I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 20 December, 2022 Share Posted 20 December, 2022 28 minutes ago, JRM said: What was his reaction to those various missed one on ones? The groans of disappointment around the ground summed them up , would have been easier to score I think I was too busy laughing and forgot to look! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd Posted 21 December, 2022 Share Posted 21 December, 2022 I regularly watch Luton Town. I can tell you what to expect from Jones... Other than a lot of chest thumping, don't expect anything. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washsaint Posted 21 December, 2022 Share Posted 21 December, 2022 Well if that is an indication of our 'brave new world' I think I'll watch paint dry over watching Saints. Utter garbage, not a youngster in sight and same old failing players continuing to fail. What on earth was our manager doing playing 5 at the back against L1 opposition? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 21 December, 2022 Share Posted 21 December, 2022 Promising start with a win, now to beat Brighton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 21 December, 2022 Share Posted 21 December, 2022 With a squad packed with below average players and a manager who has achieved nothing I think we all know what to expect. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 21 December, 2022 Share Posted 21 December, 2022 3 hours ago, skintsaint said: Promising start with a win, now to beat Brighton. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 21 December, 2022 Share Posted 21 December, 2022 Hoof. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 21 December, 2022 Share Posted 21 December, 2022 I can see nothing changed in the way we play. 5 at the back against a supposedly lower league team? We might as well have kept Ralph at the helm. SR and this manager will be taking us down. The only possible way out is to buy a prolific striker and excellent attacking playmaker in January and we all know that’s not going to happen. I don’t know what they’ve been working on over the last four weeks, but any form of improvement has yet to materialise on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 21 December, 2022 Share Posted 21 December, 2022 Best to say nothing about this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SotonianWill Posted 21 December, 2022 Share Posted 21 December, 2022 Is relegation expected? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West end Saints Posted 21 December, 2022 Share Posted 21 December, 2022 We were sloppy, particularly in the first half, but looking at the other games it sounds like we were not alone. The changes were positive and made at good times. I have criticised Stu due to his work rate and giving the ball away in our half, do was good to see him further forward. Like NJs interview, clear answers.. https://www.hampshirelive.news/sport/football/football-news/nathan-jones-southampton-theo-walcott-7952916 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee On Solent Saint Posted 21 December, 2022 Share Posted 21 December, 2022 22 minutes ago, SotonianWill said: Is relegation expected? For me, yes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 21 December, 2022 Share Posted 21 December, 2022 No way are we surviving. Personally expect this experiment to end in complete disaster. We noticeably went longer and it was every bit as horrific as expected, especially with Sunday League Nathan waving his arms frantically on the touchline. It’s not going to take long for this to go pear shaped. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 21 December, 2022 Share Posted 21 December, 2022 Got to try and stay a bit optimistic at least until a few games in , quite a few groans in the crowd last night mostly due to AMN giving the ball away then hardly trying to win it back , plus Lyanco misguided long passes failing to reach their target, but as a fanbase we are quite negative Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 21 December, 2022 Share Posted 21 December, 2022 What has become obvious from what I have been told and trust me I do get that information. I was hoping things would change but I don’t think it’s Jones pulling all the strings. The formation last night confirmed what I was told plus he has been told to not prioritise the cup match vs Palace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 21 December, 2022 Share Posted 21 December, 2022 5 minutes ago, Pilchards said: plus he has been told to not prioritise the cup match vs Palace. I would hope he’d worked that out himself without the need to be told. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee On Solent Saint Posted 21 December, 2022 Share Posted 21 December, 2022 8 minutes ago, Pilchards said: What has become obvious from what I have been told and trust me I do get that information. I was hoping things would change but I don’t think it’s Jones pulling all the strings. The formation last night confirmed what I was told plus he has been told to not prioritise the cup match vs Palace. Is that why the ridiculous Salisu long throws are still in evidence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tunit Posted 21 December, 2022 Share Posted 21 December, 2022 And here's me thinking that our fan base might give new new manager more than two games to start making a difference... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SambaMaverick Posted 21 December, 2022 Share Posted 21 December, 2022 Ruben Selles is clearly being groomed for the top job from what I've heard. Quite why SR seem so insistent on reinventing the wheel and making themselves look clever at every turn, I don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dman Posted 21 December, 2022 Share Posted 21 December, 2022 12 minutes ago, Pilchards said: What has become obvious from what I have been told and trust me I do get that information. I was hoping things would change but I don’t think it’s Jones pulling all the strings. The formation last night confirmed what I was told plus he has been told to not prioritise the cup match vs Palace. I think it’s blinding obvious that SR want us to play a back 3. If they’re trying to enforce that or not I obviously cannot say, but that definitely seems to be their preferred formation. There’s a reason why Jones was appointed, it obviously wasn’t he managerial pedigree. So far, really not impressed with SR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 21 December, 2022 Share Posted 21 December, 2022 Just now, Dman said: I think it’s blinding obvious that SR want us to play a back 3. If they’re trying to enforce that or not I obviously cannot say, but that definitely seems to be their preferred formation. There’s a reason why Jones was appointed, it obviously wasn’t he managerial pedigree. So far, really not impressed with SR. Got to be why we completed preseason and the first 1.5 games with this formation - which is horrible for us. Weird 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igsey Posted 21 December, 2022 Share Posted 21 December, 2022 Tough to judge that one, we've not had a game for nearly 6 weeks whereas Lincoln are fully mid-season. Saying that, 5ATB was cowardly and Maitland-Niles was useless once again. We looked better with a back 4, even if it was almost an entirely second-choice back 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 December, 2022 Share Posted 21 December, 2022 You have to wonder why we didn’t play more friendlies. They looked like a team of strangers so it wasn’t enough. Other clubs seem to have played quite a few, we’ve got rumours of one against Barcelona, the Bournemouth one and a strange one against Bristol city which seemed to be largely youngsters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanimal Posted 21 December, 2022 Share Posted 21 December, 2022 Is Mara really worse than AA?? And I think CC could be the answer in a back four with either MS or ABK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkenSaint Posted 21 December, 2022 Share Posted 21 December, 2022 Playing 3 at the back for our current team is just a no go, we are full of defensive minded players. Your supposed to have the midfield go full attack due to having the 3 that always stays behind. Maitland-Niles is a defender (a very poor one at that), playing him in midfield just wont work in that system, Jwp is to backwards and sidewards and Elyounoussi is just to bloody slow to do anything. Change them for Lavia, Diallo ( is ok when he's not a def midfielder) and Stu Armstrong and you'll see a different result as they are more attack minded. Edozie would probably have to fit in as a striker or playing just off Adams, he needs to start more. Or Jones can tell the board where to shove their proposed 352 system and go back to his 41212 formation he likes to play and try and find a new def midfielder as well as a striker in the window. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevy777_x Posted 21 December, 2022 Share Posted 21 December, 2022 7 minutes ago, DrunkenSaint said: Playing 3 at the back for our current team is just a no go, we are full of defensive minded players. Your supposed to have the midfield go full attack due to having the 3 that always stays behind. Maitland-Niles is a defender (a very poor one at that), playing him in midfield just wont work in that system, Jwp is to backwards and sidewards and Elyounoussi is just to bloody slow to do anything. Change them for Lavia, Diallo ( is ok when he's not a def midfielder) and Stu Armstrong and you'll see a different result as they are more attack minded. Edozie would probably have to fit in as a striker or playing just off Adams, he needs to start more. Or Jones can tell the board where to shove their proposed 352 system and go back to his 41212 formation he likes to play and try and find a new def midfielder as well as a striker in the window. Jones played predominantly in a 3-5-2 system at Luton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 22 December, 2022 Share Posted 22 December, 2022 On 21/12/2022 at 15:15, DrunkenSaint said: Playing 3 at the back for our current team is just a no go, we are full of defensive minded players. Your supposed to have the midfield go full attack due to having the 3 that always stays behind. Maitland-Niles is a defender (a very poor one at that), playing him in midfield just wont work in that system, Jwp is to backwards and sidewards and Elyounoussi is just to bloody slow to do anything. Change them for Lavia, Diallo ( is ok when he's not a def midfielder) and Stu Armstrong and you'll see a different result as they are more attack minded. Edozie would probably have to fit in as a striker or playing just off Adams, he needs to start more. Or Jones can tell the board where to shove their proposed 352 system and go back to his 41212 formation he likes to play and try and find a new def midfielder as well as a striker in the window. According to the man himself (albeit from a few years ago) he described himself as a midfield attacking player. He says he never played as a defender when he was young and recognises he isn’t/wasn’t very good at defending. I think we need to dispense with the idea that he is a holding midfielder as he just isn’t very good at it. Tuesday night was his worst game ever for us playing there, I’d have rather had KWP doing the holding role and AMN at right back where he actually looked ok (not an actual suggested solution, just highlighting how dire he was). https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/competitions/premier-league/11813263/maitland-niles-right-back-not-my-position/more/22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 22 December, 2022 Share Posted 22 December, 2022 1 hour ago, The Kraken said: According to the man himself (albeit from a few years ago) he described himself as a midfield attacking player. He says he never played as a defender when he was young and recognises he isn’t/wasn’t very good at defending. I think we need to dispense with the idea that he is a holding midfielder as he just isn’t very good at it. Tuesday night was his worst game ever for us playing there, I’d have rather had KWP doing the holding role and AMN at right back where he actually looked ok (not an actual suggested solution, just highlighting how dire he was). https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/competitions/premier-league/11813263/maitland-niles-right-back-not-my-position/more/22 Give him a go up front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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