Well Done Mary Corbett

[ottery st mary]

i hope wilde and lowe go ASAP...mainly as reading the words "lowey, wildey and lavender hill mob" make me want to smash my laptop to pieces

 

You forgot Wottey, Gorrey and Askey.....Oh! dear, new laptop required.

[OldNick]

In my avatar you will see that the Love for Mary is out in the open.

 

nickey, if only you could shout from the rooftops your love for Rupert....sorry you already did that for most of the season...

 

Anyway you leave my Mary out of your little rants or I will speak to The Beast about you.

and you expect us to take your opinions serious.

[JohnnyFartPants]

Scummer i have no problem with her wealth.My understanding is that she would have been at the club for decades with her fathers connection and so would have enjoyed the trappings of the directors lounges (not just her but many others) but never thought about the criticisms then as she was quaffing the champagne bought by the proceeds of our support (do you get my meaning now.She may not drink champers it may have been bucks fizz or brown ale i dont care except in the principle of my post)

 

I know what I want her to be drinking in my sordid imagination, and what she is wearing. She calls me a cute nickname too.

[ottery st mary]

and you expect us to take your opinions serious.

 

My lawyer told me to say No Comment to bullying.

[lenwilkins]

I have spoken personally to Mary re the whole Paul Allen scenario.

 

In a nutshell Tom McLaughlin ™ approached the club and said PA was interested in investing in Southampton and was acting on his behalf.... Leon and Pat Trant called a meeting with TM who assured them he was still intent on delivering PA. Leon and Pat then paid him a sum of money by way of commission from their own accounts, but within a fortnight TM had reneged on promises and they lost their money.

 

Oh well. At least Tommac did something that Wilde never could.

 

He got some money out of Pat Trant.

[Scummer]

Scummer i have no problem with her wealth.My understanding is that she would have been at the club for decades with her fathers connection and so would have enjoyed the trappings of the directors lounges (not just her but many others) but never thought about the criticisms then as she was quaffing the champagne bought by the proceeds of our support (do you get my meaning now.She may not drink champers it may have been bucks fizz or brown ale i dont care except in the principle of my post)

 

Oh right. Well, if she's been drinking booze paid for by me, I'm very disappointed that she hasn't put out for me. It's bloody annoying when girls do that.

[OldNick]

Oh right. Well, if she's been drinking booze paid for by me, I'm very disappointed that she hasn't put out for me. It's bloody annoying when girls do that.

Lol

[Gingeletiss]

Scummer i have no problem with her wealth.My understanding is that she would have been at the club for decades with her fathers connection and so would have enjoyed the trappings of the directors lounges (not just her but many others) but never thought about the criticisms then as she was quaffing the champagne bought by the proceeds of our support (do you get my meaning now.She may not drink champers it may have been bucks fizz or brown ale i dont care except in the principle of my post)

 

Nickh........I've changed the colour for you, as your post, and others like it, imply that you are a tad.....

 

 

 

 

 

Jealous

One of those winky/smiley things that you claim, makes anything you say.......OK.

[JohnnyFartPants]

Oh right. Well, if she's been drinking booze paid for by me, I'm very disappointed that she hasn't put out for me. It's bloody annoying when girls do that.

 

That's what I mean. This all started with us being told that she was led to Bethlehem by Joseph and that she was above criticism and all the time she has been stealing our drink and keeping her legs crossed.

 

Corbett out!!

[JohnnyFartPants]

i hope wilde and lowe go ASAP...mainly as reading the words "lowey, wildey and lavender hill mob" make me want to smash my laptop to pieces

 

It would appear that you can now add "The Beast" to this list.

[Thedelldays]

It would appear that you can now add "The Beast" to this list.

this farking ludacris...

 

grown men some quite mature using names for like lavender hill mob and the beast when talking about directors at sfc

[CanadaSaint]

They both need to change their tune but like those who love to latch onto to their words 'of encouragement' they only have one tuneless and monotonous drum and one stick with which to beat it.

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?p=162171&highlight=monotonous#post162171 (Post 36)

 

Firstly, never apologise for having an opinion especially if you support the current board. Ever heard the club anarchists apologise for refusing to step over the threshold at SMS until Lowe has gone or beating their monotonous ill thought out drum?

 

Just wondering if these two people are actually one and the same.

 

It's such an unusual turn of phrase, for this forum anyway.

 

God, I hate this multiple persona thing.

[Mole]

Cheers for the confirmation of what we all suspected (knew) Canada.

[Frank's cousin]

Round i circles again - will we ever get anywhere? What is anyone hoping to achieve with all this. I am known for having been supportive and defensive of some of Lowes' strategies, but I will also acknowledge he has made huge mistakes that have contributed to our plight. To me that seems a fair reflection. If you are expecting Lowe to be criticised for teh mistakes he has made, is there anything wrong with asking questions of others in the mix? NO one is questioning Mary's support for Saints, I would also argue that of the big 3 Crouch is probably the biggest fan (and he leaves no opportunity unused to show this) - but does this mean they cant be questions aor criticised re their plans or actions...

 

We can have unity quite easily, when we finally recognise that no one here has deliberately fecked things up, and finanlly agree that all characters in this charade should be criticised for what they HAVE done wrong, given credit for what they HAVE done right, encouraged to answer questions and we as fans be prepared to ask questions - what is wrong with that? Its common sense, simple as that, free of prejudices from both sides, free of ignorance - we do that and we have unity irresepctive of who we prefer in the boardroom.

[JohnnyFartPants]

Cheers for the confirmation of what we all suspected (knew) Canada.

 

Listen to you. Yeah, big cheers from me too, serious stuff this. If i didn't know/thought I knew that those two names might be the same person, then my life wouldn't be complete, so a heart felt thanks from me too.

[Wopper]

The trouble is most fans puke every time Lowe opens his mouth.

[Thedelldays]

Listen to you. Yeah, big cheers from me too, serious stuff this. If i didn't know/thought I knew that those two names might be the same person, then my life wouldn't be complete, so a heart felt thanks from me too.

:smt037

[CanadaSaint]

Listen to you. Yeah, big cheers from me too, serious stuff this. If i didn't know/thought I knew that those two names might be the same person, then my life wouldn't be complete, so a heart felt thanks from me too.

 

Glad to have brightened your day.

 

The problem for me is not so much what's being said but the fact that there are people on here with multiple personas, and some with an agenda of their own, trying to play everyone for fools. Nobody's going to lose a limb over it but it's a pain in the ass.

[OldNick]

Nickh........I've changed the colour for you, as your post, and others like it, imply that you are a tad.....

 

 

 

 

 

Jealous

One of those winky/smiley things that you claim, makes anything you say.......OK.

Boy, you have no idea. It is fans who will not question certain peoples motives that have helped get us into this mess.It is not black and white.The Corbetts were at the club during the reerse takeover were they not? They should have then voiced their concerns ont when the bloody horse had bolted.

[Wes Tender]

It's not amnesia, it's the fact that where blame is appropriate (as opposed to the 90% which is just petty name calling) I think it should be based up fact and not stuff you've just made up.

 

It is amnesia. You seem to have completely glossed over Lowe's failures as if they hadn't happened. And show me the stuff I've made up, please

 

Lowe has made plenty of mistakes and the last big issue I had with him was about Wigley's appointment. That contributed to the relegation, but I still place Redknapp way way above him on the list of responsibility there. Who appointed Wigley and who appointed Redknapp? I'm sure there were some others, but not many outside of the "lunatic fringe" category really - stadium, stability, Cup Final, Europe. So yes, mistakes were made 4 years ago. Now let's try looking at the present shall we?

 

The current financial situation was brought about my those in charge over the last 2 years.

 

Really? Here is the selective amnesia again. So relegation and the considerable reduction in income that resulted was not down to Lowe?

 

Lowe wasn't one of them. Corbett, McMenemy and Crouch were. If you think Lowe should be turfed out now for what he did 4 years ago, isn't it rather hypocritical not to castigate those who have caused far more damage to the club far more recently?

 

And absolutely no mention at all of Wilde. Incredible! Not one word about those who he brought in to the club and not one word of condemnation that he is back here with Lowe.

 

As far as I'm aware Cowen is paid £25k and Lowe nothing (happy to be corrected). Let's not forget McMenemy was one of those taking the cash as we racked up the debts, £75k to be an "ambassador"?! Not bad for someone who has gotten through managers faster than Lowe. What on earth are you rabitting on about here? And Crouch who continually states he will make a "significant financial contribution" without putting in a penny (to the club), As I understand it, he was promising to put money in if Lowe and Wilde did too. No condemnation of their failure to put money in then...and acts like a demented schoolkid at the club's AGM when he should have shown some contrition for the mess that occurred under his watch (thanks for Gorman and Dodd!). No mention of the extreme arrogance shown by Lowe at the AGM either; the anonymous arse licking letter, the farce of the FA Cup picture replaced by a painting of a train donated by Doncaster.

They all have their faults, let's try to criticise for real ones - what is RL's crime since relegation?

 

Yes, they do all have their faults, but that is why I called for some balance from you, not some one-sided rewriting of past history.

[INFLUENCED.COM]

Can anyone confirm I am correct and that Mary's only crime, that she has already admitted to, was that she did not carry out personal due diligence before supporting Wilde. Did not a number of other shareholders/saints fans including some posting on here do the same thing?

 

Most fans would not have known how to carry out due diligence on Wilde or the ability thereafter, subject to what found, to influence other shareholders and in turn fans decisions on who to support, Guided Missile seemed to have carried out a level of due diligence and posted his findings for US all to see, Mary and her people could easily have found out the same and dug even further due to resources at her disposal which included contact with the man himself, she along with so many chose anyone but Lowe and in doing so have contributed greatly to our club being in the cart, she still holds influence, not only by her respected family name, she has information with respect to what has gone on in the past during Wildes first term and should disclose in full in order to further discredit him, if I had made such poor judgement which has impacted the club in the way her decision and others have, I would not rest till I had righted those wrongs.

[NickG]

Trying to remember as much as I can...

 

a) When asked whether she resigned as a Director, she said 'If I would have stayed a day longer after Rupert returned I would have been sacked';

 

b) Saints are a rudderless ship = Lowe is never there, doesn't have a desk at the club, now on holiday when the club needs leading;

 

c) Wilde is a puppet and never there - doesn't even write his own programme notes;

 

d) Questioned just WHO is running the club if Lowe and Wilde are not there;

 

e) Crouch has put two separate proposals to Lowe and Wilde for all 3 to work together - both rebuffed.

 

f) Askham and Richards should be ashamed for their support of Lowe;

 

g) Urges all fans to support and attend the Demo this Saturday.

 

Anyone else fill any gaps??

 

thought he gave all the team talks?

[um pahars]

what is RL's crime since relegation?

 

As others have quite rightly pointed out, it is rather disengenuous to ask that we put aside relegation from the top flight, not least because:

 

(a) Lowe was at the heart of all the major decisions that enusred we went down, particularly those relating to the appointments of Wigley and Redknapp, and,

 

(b) The financial fall out from it tainted the last three and a bit years. It certainly didn't excuse some of the poor decisions made by a number of those in charge, but it is rather difficult to ignore.

 

 

As for poor decisions (I think crimes is somewhat OTT) since relegation, then how about (in no particular order and with varying degrees of c*ck uppedness):

 

 

1) Retaining a disinterested and non motivated Redknapp upon relegation.

 

2) Bringing in Simon Clifford.

 

3) Investing time, money and effort in bringing in Woodward (maybe the right man, but so not the right time).

 

4) Trying to forge a working relationship between Redknapp, Woodward & Clifford (including that scary press conference where they said everything was brilliant).

 

5) Not having a different pricing structure for the Championship

 

6) Appointing Woodward as Director Of Football.

 

7) Wasting the first season down following relegation where we never in the races for promotion.

 

Investing money in non essential infrastructure and sports science at Staplewood, when the priority should have been on the pitch (as with Woodward, they may have been a good idea in the long term, or when established in the Premiership, but we were just causing distractions in that first season down).

 

9) Sacking Pearson.

 

10) Appointing Jan Poortvliet

 

11) Overseeing a transfer policy and strategy that has not delivered this season (There are a number of transfers & loans that have been found wanting).

 

12) Failure to win back the support and confidence of the fans.

 

13) Overseeing and establishing the atmosphere for a poisonous AGM with his opening gambit.

 

14) Demanding a compensation fee for Webster, which when refused meant we just had to pay his wages whilst he is on gardening leave.

 

15) Keeping supporters in the dark with regards Hockaday, Webster & Kim Van Der Waals.

 

16) Overhyping the "Revolutionary Coaching Set Up", putting pressure on Jan and the team.

 

17) Creating an unnecessary furore and adverse publicity over the "Train Painting"

 

18) Failing to attend first team matches, a day where it all comes together and a day on which the Manager should be judged (and as his boss he really should be there).

 

19) Ultimately, results this season under his tenure.

 

20) Bored now, but maybe I'll add some more later.

[ladysaint]

I will add one to that not giving Strachan the funds to go to the next level one of his biggest mistake IMO

[um pahars]

Jonah did say since relegation!!!!!

 

Get your edit button working and put another reply in and then I'll delete this post;)

[ladysaint]

Oops sorry didnt read it correctly.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Boy, you have no idea. It is fans who will not question certain peoples motives that have helped get us into this mess.It is not black and white.The Corbetts were at the club during the reerse takeover were they not? They should have then voiced their concerns ont when the bloody horse had bolted.

 

 

Nick you really should think before posting sometimes - I know you do not intentionally offend but some fact finding would stand you in good stead. Around this time John Corbett (servant and saviour on many times of the club since 1936) was an ill old man who was taken advantage of by Askham and Co, who "allegedly" tried to swindle him out of his shares. He certainly was not up to voicing his concerns.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

As others have quite rightly pointed out, it is rather disengenuous to ask that we put aside relegation from the top flight, not least because:

 

(a) Lowe was at the heart of all the major decisions that enusred we went down, particularly those relating to the appointments of Wigley and Redknapp, and,

 

(b) The financial fall out from it tainted the last three and a bit years. It certainly didn't excuse some of the poor decisions made by a number of those in charge, but it is rather difficult to ignore.

 

 

As for poor decisions (I think crimes is somewhat OTT) since relegation, then how about (in no particular order and with varying degrees of c*ck uppedness):

 

 

1) Retaining a disinterested and non motivated Redknapp upon relegation.

 

2) Bringing in Simon Clifford.

 

3) Investing time, money and effort in bringing in Woodward (maybe the right man, but so not the right time).

 

4) Trying to forge a working relationship between Redknapp, Woodward & Clifford (including that scary press conference where they said everything was brilliant).

 

5) Not having a different pricing structure for the Championship

 

6) Appointing Woodward as Director Of Football.

 

7) Wasting the first season down following relegation where we never in the races for promotion.

 

Investing money in non essential infrastructure and sports science at Staplewood, when the priority should have been on the pitch (as with Woodward, they may have been a good idea in the long term, or when established in the Premiership, but we were just causing distractions in that first season down).

 

9) Sacking Pearson.

 

10) Appointing Jan Poortvliet

 

11) Overseeing a transfer policy and strategy that has not delivered this season (There are a number of transfers & loans that have been found wanting).

 

12) Failure to win back the support and confidence of the fans.

 

13) Overseeing and establishing the atmosphere for a poisonous AGM with his opening gambit.

 

14) Demanding a compensation fee for Webster, which when refused meant we just had to pay his wages whilst he is on gardening leave.

 

15) Keeping supporters in the dark with regards Hockaday, Webster & Kim Van Der Waals.

 

16) Overhyping the "Revolutionary Coaching Set Up", putting pressure on Jan and the team.

 

17) Creating an unnecessary furore and adverse publicity over the "Train Painting"

 

18) Failing to attend first team matches, a day where it all comes together and a day on which the Manager should be judged (and as his boss he really should be there).

 

19) Ultimately, results this season under his tenure.

 

20) Bored now, but maybe I'll add some more later.

 

How about going on holiday twice in the same month that the transfer window is open and he has sacked a manager

[Thedelldays]

How about going on holiday twice in the same month that the transfer window is open and he has sacked a manager

isnt he the PLC board...and not the football board..chairman..?

[Gordon Mockles]

Ah the very person who kicked off all the instability and helped bring Wilde to power, yet admits she didn't bother spending 5 minutes checking into his claims and credentials, is now kicking off about it again and wants to get him removed? Shouldn't she have worried a bit more about it 2 years ago when she voted Wilde in? Or during the past 2 years when the people she brought in wrecked the club's finances? Where is her own accountability? She has gone from disagreeing with Crouch and backing Wilde (like Crouch himself bizarrely), to now disagreeing with Wilde and backing Crouch. She needs to learn to think for herself and not keep joining the bandwagon - what is different now from 2 years ago, except her own actions have helped to nearly bankrupt the club?

 

She is on a different planet sometimes (assuming she's not up in the Scottish estate). Good to see she's being supportive of the team and Mark Wotte when we need it most...

 

A question for MC to Mull over before she starts up more rallies - when exactly did you withdraw your 1.4m share proxies from Wilde?

 

What a huge, f**k off great chip you have on your shoulder! Not read a post of such rubbish in a long time, other than that of the other bigoted idiot, Sundance, in his latest incarnation as 'Nineteen Canteen'.

 

Do you always support people that destroy the club, continually, and slate those whose family have propped the club up?! FFS.

[Channon's Sideburns]

And that was the total sum of her due diligence was it Duncan? Impressive that you don't coinsider her culpable afterall she was a non-exceutive director unless I am mistaken for which I apologise in advance if my facts are wrong. Non-execs have a key role in ensuring the executive board act in the best interests of the shareholders don't they? Not one where you simply accept what you are told by the people you are supposed to be monitoring surely. Ever heard of Nick Leeson? How many times are we told things in life and if you are not happy you investigate or get a second opinion but perhaps people like Corbett and yourself always trust what the salesman / expert tells you.

 

Your grudge against Lowe is completely personal and therefore not based on a fair assessment of the current regime and viable alternatives that could be implemented at short notice. The big man would be the one who could rise above previous insults and immediately adopt the higher ground but like Crouch you act like some errant schoolboy intent on revenge without any consideration of the consequences and the future of yourself and the things you supposedly support. Your inability to handle you anger and hatred must be having an impact on your personal life as its driving you to distraction and obsession. Take this opportunity Duncan and follow the lead of Frank Cousins if no one else.

 

Ah Nick Leeson, didn't he work for Rupert at Barings?

[um pahars]

isnt he the PLC board...and not the football board..chairman..?

 

He is also the CEO, a paid Executive in charge of day to day affairs.

[SW11_Saint]

Your grudge against Lowe is completely personal and therefore not based on a fair assessment of the current regime and viable alternatives that could be implemented at short notice.

I think you'll find our collective criticism (not grudge note, criticism) is based upon his overall record as steward of the club, and the frankly calamatous decisions that he continues to make on managerial appointments. That he's an arrogant, ignorant, stubborn arse does him no favours at all, but please do interprete reasoned criticism of those accountable to their customers/shareholders as simply "a grudge", it's just not true.

 

Toodle pip!

[Snowballs2]

I wonder how much Nineteen Canteen is getting paid for being a Lowe PR plant on here.

It does seem that Lowe has failed to attract friends at SMS is turning to either "friends" or prostituting others to come on here on his behalf.

Well buddy if you count the posts he has more enemies than "friends"

[alpine_saint]

Round i circles again - will we ever get anywhere? What is anyone hoping to achieve with all this. I am known for having been supportive and defensive of some of Lowes' strategies, but I will also acknowledge he has made huge mistakes that have contributed to our plight. To me that seems a fair reflection. If you are expecting Lowe to be criticised for teh mistakes he has made, is there anything wrong with asking questions of others in the mix? NO one is questioning Mary's support for Saints, I would also argue that of the big 3 Crouch is probably the biggest fan (and he leaves no opportunity unused to show this) - but does this mean they cant be questions aor criticised re their plans or actions...

 

We can have unity quite easily, when we finally recognise that no one here has deliberately fecked things up, and finanlly agree that all characters in this charade should be criticised for what they HAVE done wrong, given credit for what they HAVE done right, encouraged to answer questions and we as fans be prepared to ask questions - what is wrong with that? Its common sense, simple as that, free of prejudices from both sides, free of ignorance - we do that and we have unity irresepctive of who we prefer in the boardroom.

 

Jesus, do you have a second post in your repetoire ?

[beatlesaint]

As others have quite rightly pointed out, it is rather disengenuous to ask that we put aside relegation from the top flight, not least because:

 

(a) Lowe was at the heart of all the major decisions that enusred we went down, particularly those relating to the appointments of Wigley and Redknapp, and,

 

(b) The financial fall out from it tainted the last three and a bit years. It certainly didn't excuse some of the poor decisions made by a number of those in charge, but it is rather difficult to ignore.

 

 

As for poor decisions (I think crimes is somewhat OTT) since relegation, then how about (in no particular order and with varying degrees of c*ck uppedness):

 

 

1) Retaining a disinterested and non motivated Redknapp upon relegation.

 

2) Bringing in Simon Clifford.

 

3) Investing time, money and effort in bringing in Woodward (maybe the right man, but so not the right time).

 

4) Trying to forge a working relationship between Redknapp, Woodward & Clifford (including that scary press conference where they said everything was brilliant).

 

5) Not having a different pricing structure for the Championship

 

6) Appointing Woodward as Director Of Football.

 

7) Wasting the first season down following relegation where we never in the races for promotion.

 

Investing money in non essential infrastructure and sports science at Staplewood, when the priority should have been on the pitch (as with Woodward, they may have been a good idea in the long term, or when established in the Premiership, but we were just causing distractions in that first season down).

 

9) Sacking Pearson.

 

10) Appointing Jan Poortvliet

 

11) Overseeing a transfer policy and strategy that has not delivered this season (There are a number of transfers & loans that have been found wanting).

 

12) Failure to win back the support and confidence of the fans.

 

13) Overseeing and establishing the atmosphere for a poisonous AGM with his opening gambit.

 

14) Demanding a compensation fee for Webster, which when refused meant we just had to pay his wages whilst he is on gardening leave.

 

15) Keeping supporters in the dark with regards Hockaday, Webster & Kim Van Der Waals.

 

16) Overhyping the "Revolutionary Coaching Set Up", putting pressure on Jan and the team.

 

17) Creating an unnecessary furore and adverse publicity over the "Train Painting"

 

18) Failing to attend first team matches, a day where it all comes together and a day on which the Manager should be judged (and as his boss he really should be there).

 

19) Ultimately, results this season under his tenure.

 

20) Bored now, but maybe I'll add some more later.

 

Come on then jonah, your unique take on these questions/facts will be interesting to read.

 

You could also add his Neville Chamberlain "I have in my hand a letter" moment at the start of the AGM.......that was priceless !!

[ottery st mary]

It would appear that you can now add "The Beast" to this list.

 

Known to the inner circle as Beastey.

[docker-p]

Obama doesn't write his owns speeches, so what? Remember, Crouch's alarming claims in his programme notes this time last year? Some of the nuggets from memory were 'we are financially secure and don't need to release players' Rasiak and Skacel did not got out on Loan at the 11th hour then and Crouch proverbially did not hide behind Hoos whilst he delivered the somewhat surprising news. Then we had Crouch's rhetoric about still aiming for the playoffs when even in January most sane fans knew we were fighting for survival. Crouch also told us how Dodd and Gorman despite all the applicants were the best pairing to take the team forward - no financial concerns there then and then we pluck Pearson from obscurity who most would have thought a bizarre appointment until you considered his connections.

 

I'm with Jonah on this and I would like to hear from Mrs Corbett exactly what was her contribution as a non-executive director and how did she use her role to postively influence the direction of this club. It's the likes of Corbett and McMenemy who IMO lazily ride on their past connections with the club as their own personal meal ticket as oppose to actually contribute to its success and development. They both need to change their tune but like those who love to latch onto to their words 'of encouragement' they only have one tuneless and monotonous drum and one stick with which to beat it.

 

Corbett seems to be under the misunderstanding she has some kind of hereditary right to her position because of what her father did for the club. The problem is with proper hereditary honours comes responsibility and desire to protect and grow the dynasty not winge and kneejerk publicly from one solution to another to curry favour with the vocal minority. IMO respect and position is earned in my opinion and the likes of Corbett, McMenemy, Crouch and Trant especiallya s a group of ineffectives lost mine long ago and have simply been outplayed and are now acting as bad losers. Should have taken a leaf out of Bobby Charlton's book on how to act as an ambassador and director of the club you hold dear. Mud slinging in public is best avioded if you actually want to influence the path of direction. If Crouch as a fan is the best person to take this club forward then I can think of many intelligent and erudite fans capable of doing teh job better than Crouch they just don't have their own businesses and trappings to show off their success. Nonetheless, they are still very good business people who have simply had a successful career as an employee. Fan status is not a credential in the top 10 attributes required to run the club and even then its only a nice to have.

 

If having read Wotte's words on the OS today, fans are still intent on the demostration they like Corbett are in grave danger of deservedly reaping what they sow and I don't actually think you have any idea what you are demostrating against or what your solution will be if in the unlikely event it is successful. Seriously, god save us all if any of the crew in position last January are reappointed, bumbling rhetoric and fan friendly policies to silence the vocal minority to kid themslevs you have unity will be a disaster in line with the falls of Wimbledon and Aldershot in recent memory. Some of you won't even live to see the club return. Good luck.

 

 

Yeah, Yeah, whatever Rupert.

[Snowballs2]

Ninteen canteen...Have you ever met and spoken to Bobby Charlton???? He is the most humourless person I have ever talked to.

[BallBoy]

Here we go again!

 

I confess to being fascinated by these circular arguments.

 

I also confess that I struggle with the chronology of all these events.

 

Everybody has to share some of the blame. Even me for not investing in a season ticket this year.

 

One thing stands out for me more than anything else though. There are those who genuinely love this football club and love the game of football.

 

RUPERT LOWE IS NOT ONE OF THEM. I cannot understand for the life of me why he ever bought into a football club.

 

He has made many, many mistakes and all because he does not understand the game of football.

 

I wish he would go back to his care homes before we all end up in one.

[Gorgiesaint]

Corbett seems to be under the misunderstanding she has some kind of hereditary right to her position because of what her father did for the club. The problem is with proper hereditary honours comes responsibility and desire to protect and grow the dynasty not winge and kneejerk publicly from one solution to another to curry favour with the vocal minority. IMO respect and position is earned in my opinion and the likes of Corbett, McMenemy, Crouch and Trant especiallya s a group of ineffectives lost mine long ago and have simply been outplayed and are now acting as bad losers. Should have taken a leaf out of Bobby Charlton's book on how to act as an ambassador and director of the club you hold dear. Mud slinging in public is best avioded if you actually want to influence the path of direction. If Crouch as a fan is the best person to take this club forward then I can think of many intelligent and erudite fans capable of doing teh job better than Crouch they just don't have their own businesses and trappings to show off their success. Nonetheless, they are still very good business people who have simply had a successful career as an employee. Fan status is not a credential in the top 10 attributes required to run the club and even then its only a nice to have.

 

If having read Wotte's words on the OS today, fans are still intent on the demostration they like Corbett are in grave danger of deservedly reaping what they sow and I don't actually think you have any idea what you are demostrating against or what your solution will be if in the unlikely event it is successful. Seriously, god save us all if any of the crew in position last January are reappointed, bumbling rhetoric and fan friendly policies to silence the vocal minority to kid themslevs you have unity will be a disaster in line with the falls of Wimbledon and Aldershot in recent memory. Some of you won't even live to see the club return. Good luck.

 

Your words are truly ironic Nineteen Canteen.

 

What you and your paymaster continually miss is that having a genuine connection with the fans is a massively important concern when dealing with an entertainment based inductry. The fact that you suggest MC should look to Sir Bobby Charlton as an example is laughable given how Lowe treats his 'customers'. I would be surprised if he knew who Sir Bobby was!

 

Secondly, you suggest that a paid CEO would be a better alternative to Crouch taking over - that I would agree with if the right person were to be found - but I would also suggest that it is essential for the future of this club that an independant paid CEO to take over from Lowe & Wilde is even more important. And please do not query my intelligence by trying to justify Lowe's position, you know why he's there but even with your blinkers on, you must appreciate that he's playing a losing game.

[up and away]

Originally Posted by nickh

Thankyou for that Duncan but I am sure that it was stated by MC or her nephew that she flew to a beach to see a friend who knew PA to resurrect the deal.

No this mutual friend has a holiday home near the French south coast but Mary did not go there. They had the conversation at a wedding they both intended. Mary is pretty upset by this misapprehension. It is awkward for her too because she does not want to compromise her friend. I hope this clears things up.

 

Someone in the family is talking porkies, because it was stated that Mary went to a lot of time and trouble to actually fly down there herself? I wonder how he could have got hold of the wrong end of the stick there?

That misplaced belief in the magic investor helped create the atmosphere which created the financial mess we are now in. Again it was recanted that Crouch still believes the Paul Allen interest to be genuine? Is there now a difference of opinion between Mary Corbett and Crouch over this so called interest?

[RinNY]

You told it like it is!

 

Shows Lowe and Wilde for what they are...

 

 

Gutless, spineless cowards.

 

 

If Lowe & Wilde were gutless, spineless cowards, they wouldn't be within a thousand miles of SFC. One thing they clearly do have is guts. Mary Corbett was one of those who joined up with Wilde to oust Lowe, and then sat fiddling on the Board, doing nothing, while the execs ousted Wilde and played fast and loose with the club's finances. She may well be a sterling person for all I know, but I think it's clear that her judgement on how to run the club is seriously lacking.

 

See, if you make a reasoned case about Lowe and Wilde, what they have done wrong and why the club would be better off without them (not a hard case to make, by the way), that'd deserve attention. If you had some serious proposal as to how the club should be run, and by whom, that "whom" actually being demonstrably willing and ready, that'd be even more seriously worthy of attention.

 

But when you, and the rest of the mere Lowe-loathers, simply spew obvious spite and bile that is as false as it is spiteful, and offer as alternatives only the likes of the equally flawed Crouch, the fantasist Fulthorpe, the incapable Corbett, or the past it McMenemy (as great a man as he was for us), then you just look absurd and petty and hateful.

 

This kind of thread shows why no-one who isn't intrinsically a biased Lowe-loather can take this whole anti-Lowe campaign seriously, and that what is wrong with SFC is NOT just Lowe (though he's a big part of it): it is Lowe AND Crouch AND Corbett and all you petty hateful spiteful little pseudo-fans whose only care is to pour out bile no matter how it poisons the atmosphere and harms the club and team.

 

At least Lowe and Wilde are trying, however flawed their efforts may be, to put the club right. You are just a hatemonger.

[stanthemanfairoak]

:confused:

If Lowe & Wilde were gutless, spineless cowards, they wouldn't be within a thousand miles of SFC. One thing they clearly do have is guts. Mary Corbett was one of those who joined up with Wilde to oust Lowe, and then sat fiddling on the Board, doing nothing, while the execs ousted Wilde and played fast and loose with the club's finances. She may well be a sterling person for all I know, but I think it's clear that her judgement on how to run the club is seriously lacking.

 

See, if you make a reasoned case about Lowe and Wilde, what they have done wrong and why the club would be better off without them (not a hard case to make, by the way), that'd deserve attention. If you had some serious proposal as to how the club should be run, and by whom, that "whom" actually being demonstrably willing and ready, that'd be even more seriously worthy of attention.

 

But when you, and the rest of the mere Lowe-loathers, simply spew obvious spite and bile that is as false as it is spiteful, and offer as alternatives only the likes of the equally flawed Crouch, the fantasist Fulthorpe, the incapable Corbett, or the past it McMenemy (as great a man as he was for us), then you just look absurd and petty and hateful.

 

This kind of thread shows why no-one who isn't intrinsically a biased Lowe-loather can take this whole anti-Lowe campaign seriously, and that what is wrong with SFC is NOT just Lowe (though he's a big part of it): it is Lowe AND Crouch AND Corbett and all you petty hateful spiteful little pseudo-fans whose only care is to pour out bile no matter how it poisons the atmosphere and harms the club and team.

 

At least Lowe and Wilde are trying, however flawed their efforts may be, to put the club right. You are just a hatemonger.

now theirs a strange cookie[what box did you get out of?]

[JustMike]

If Lowe & Wilde were gutless, spineless cowards, they wouldn't be within a thousand miles of SFC. One thing they clearly do have is guts. Mary Corbett was one of those who joined up with Wilde to oust Lowe, and then sat fiddling on the Board, doing nothing, while the execs ousted Wilde and played fast and loose with the club's finances. She may well be a sterling person for all I know, but I think it's clear that her judgement on how to run the club is seriously lacking.

 

See, if you make a reasoned case about Lowe and Wilde, what they have done wrong and why the club would be better off without them (not a hard case to make, by the way), that'd deserve attention. If you had some serious proposal as to how the club should be run, and by whom, that "whom" actually being demonstrably willing and ready, that'd be even more seriously worthy of attention.

 

But when you, and the rest of the mere Lowe-loathers, simply spew obvious spite and bile that is as false as it is spiteful, and offer as alternatives only the likes of the equally flawed Crouch, the fantasist Fulthorpe, the incapable Corbett, or the past it McMenemy (as great a man as he was for us), then you just look absurd and petty and hateful.

 

This kind of thread shows why no-one who isn't intrinsically a biased Lowe-loather can take this whole anti-Lowe campaign seriously, and that what is wrong with SFC is NOT just Lowe (though he's a big part of it): it is Lowe AND Crouch AND Corbett and all you petty hateful spiteful little pseudo-fans whose only care is to pour out bile no matter how it poisons the atmosphere and harms the club and team.

 

At least Lowe and Wilde are trying, however flawed their efforts may be, to put the club right. You are just a hatemonger.

 

If Lowe & Wilde were gutless, spineless cowards, they wouldn't be within a thousand miles of SFC.

Probably because they are sh!tt!ing it over losing their money.

One thing they clearly do have is guts. Mary Corbett was one of those who joined up with Wilde to oust Lowe, and then sat fiddling on the Board, doing nothing, while the execs ousted Wilde and played fast and loose with the club's finances. She may well be a sterling person for all I know, but I think it's clear that her judgement on how to run the club is seriously lacking. As is RL’s, we only have to look at his past record to see that!!

See, if you make a reasoned case about Lowe and Wilde, what they have done wrong and why the club would be better off without them (not a hard case to make, by the way), that'd deserve attention. If you had some serious proposal as to how the club should be run, and by whom, that "whom" actually being demonstrably willing and ready, that'd be even more seriously worthy of attention. A monkey in a space suit would be more capable than either RL or MW. What have they done wrong?? See countless other posts on countless other different threads. IF you were any type of “fan” you would know the answers yourself.

But when you, and the rest of the mere Lowe-loathers, simply spew obvious spite and bile that is as false as it is spiteful, and offer as alternatives only the likes of the equally flawed Crouch, the fantasist Fulthorpe, the incapable Corbett, or the past it McMenemy (as great a man as he was for us), then you just look absurd and petty and hateful. Umm because the majority of us actually care for the club, not our cash that they invested and stand to lose a lot of.

This kind of thread shows why no-one who isn't intrinsically a biased Lowe-loather can take this whole anti-Lowe campaign seriously, and that what is wrong with SFC is NOT just Lowe (though he's a big part of it): it is Lowe AND Crouch AND Corbett and all you petty hateful spiteful little pseudo-fans whose only care is to pour out bile no matter how it poisons the atmosphere and harms the club and team. Are you for real??? “Pseudo-fans”!!! RL AS ruined our club, he has made too many BAD decisions over his 2 stints here, and he continues to do so. It is not the fault of the fans that we are languishing in the championship. Nor is it the fault of the fans that the likes of Wigley et al were employed. Nor is it that investment in the squad when the best manager we have had since Lawrie Mc asked for it

At least Lowe and Wilde are trying, however flawed their efforts may be, to put the club right. You are just a hatemonger Yes, they are trying alright!! I hate RL for what he has turned this club into, if he had ran it properly in the first place then Wilde et al wouldn’t have had the need to oust him the last time

[Wes Tender]

RinNY fails to realise that Mary was only on the Football board as far as I'm aware, so his assertion that her judgement on how to run the club is well wide of the mark. It is the PLC board that have the power and influence to make the decisions that matter, not the football board.

[JustMike]

RinNY fails to realise that Mary was only on the Football board as far as I'm aware, so his assertion that her judgement on how to run the club is well wide of the mark. It is the PLC board that have the power and influence to make the decisions that matter, not the football board.

 

but a plant wouldnt have known that

[Wes Tender]

but a plant wouldnt have known that

 

I don't think RinNy is a plant and he usually posts very sensible points of view. In this instance though, his criticism of Mary's judgement is faulty because she had very little to do with the financial side of running the club, or other decisions that resulted in our current parlous state.

[saintwarwick]

Ah the very person who kicked off all the instability and helped bring Wilde to power, yet admits she didn't bother spending 5 minutes checking into his claims and credentials, is now kicking off about it again and wants to get him removed? Shouldn't she have worried a bit more about it 2 years ago when she voted Wilde in? Or during the past 2 years when the people she brought in wrecked the club's finances? Where is her own accountability? She has gone from disagreeing with Crouch and backing Wilde (like Crouch himself bizarrely), to now disagreeing with Wilde and backing Crouch. She needs to learn to think for herself and not keep joining the bandwagon - what is different now from 2 years ago, except her own actions have helped to nearly bankrupt the club?

 

She is on a different planet sometimes (assuming she's not up in the Scottish estate). Good to see she's being supportive of the team and Mark Wotte when we need it most...

 

A question for MC to Mull over before she starts up more rallies - when exactly did you withdraw your 1.4m share proxies from Wilde?

 

What a huge, f**k off great chip you have on your shoulder! Not read a post of such rubbish in a long time, other than that of the other bigoted idiot, Sundance, in his latest incarnation as 'Nineteen Canteen'.

 

Do you always support people that destroy the club, continually, and slate those whose family have propped the club up?! FFS.

 

 

Did you actually read jonah's post before replying or just use an anti-Lowe tirade against him because he posted some home truths?

[Frank's cousin]

Jesus, do you have a second post in your repetoire ?

 

Do you? Ever see anything positive in anything? FFS Alpine, do you want to score it? Number of negative posts and criticisms of the current regime v number that are urging understanding, even if agreeing with the need for change?

 

Work it out.