Well Done Mary Corbett

[View From The Top]

Ah the very person who kicked off all the instability and helped bring Wilde to power, yet admits she didn't bother spending 5 minutes checking into his claims and credentials, is now kicking off about it again and wants to get him removed? Shouldn't she have worried a bit more about it 2 years ago when she voted Wilde in? Or during the past 2 years when the people she brought in wrecked the club's finances? Where is her own accountability? She has gone from disagreeing with Crouch and backing Wilde (like Crouch himself bizarrely), to now disagreeing with Wilde and backing Crouch. She needs to learn to think for herself and not keep joining the bandwagon - what is different now from 2 years ago, except her own actions have helped to nearly bankrupt the club?

 

She is on a different planet sometimes (assuming she's not up in the Scottish estate). Good to see she's being supportive of the team and Mark Wotte when we need it most...

 

A question for MC to Mull over before she starts up more rallies - when exactly did you withdraw your 1.4m share proxies from Wilde?

 

You only ever crawl out from under your rock when your lord and master is under threat.

 

Slither away you pompus cu nt.

[Big Bad Bob]

Again I maybe wrong but didnt MC chase Paul Allen around the world to meet with him? Was this not discussed at the AGM?

 

Cripes, she's a serial stalker now. No wonder PA took his money and ran.

[ottery st mary]

You Lowey Luvvies are very sad....Mary Corbett is in a different class to the cretins you support.

 

The likes of Corbett belong at The Saints...I will be glad to see the back of your crepe Lowey and all you sad followers.

[northam soul]

No way is nineteen canteen sundance beast as his posts are not of the same manner. Having said that he certainly must be close to the current regime in some form or other.

Its nice to see Jonah back to stick up for good old rupes again.

[Frank's cousin]

In the interests of balance, I eagerly await your diatribe against Lowe and the damage that he has done to the club over the past decade, with special focus on the club's parlous situation since his return in league with the Quisling who you disparage in your comments above. I don't see you holding him to account for anything, although that is possibly because you have selective amnesia.

 

In the interests of balance, I dont think anyone should or could deny that Lowes actions have contibuted to where we are now. That the whole point in all this crap though and the reason why there is no unity - becauis the vast majority see this as black and white - all or nothing hate him or love him ******.

 

Lowe did good, and did bad - alot of bad which contributed to where we are now. Wilde did good and bad, Crouch did good and bad - mistakes made in either ignorance, naiviety or just in the simple belief that they thought they were doing the right thing.... but because it was wrong, and because the fans did not agree they must all be self serving ****s deliberately doing it to feck teh club - or the logic of it all.

 

The only reason why I have risked teh abuse on here and the accusations of being a luvie is because I am sick of this ignotance, the one that makes one guy our thye devil and the others holier than thou - its all total rubbish - its folk who are strong willed and believe that what they are doing is the right way to go for whatever reason but because of the mistakes made everyone jumps on the bandwagon of ignorance to stick the boot in forgetting that this is actually about football.

 

Sure I have laid it on thick, perhaps over indulged in praise for logic and ideas, but feck me, the way some go on here, its like Lowe was caught in your chicken coop, trousers round his ankles, causing a restless clucking FFS and then we get the virgin mary corbett simply adding fuel to the fire and stoking it up good and proper. What the feck good will that do when we have 18 games to save our status and a new bloke, good, bad or useless at the helm and a young squad?

[OldNick]

You Lowey Luvvies are very sad....Mary Corbett is in a different class to the cretins you support.

 

The likes of Corbett belong at The Saints...I will be glad to see the back of your crepe Lowey and all you sad followers.

Why is MC above criticism? She has raised her head above the parapet again.It hads been rightly pointed out that she threw her weight behind Wilde the first time without checking up on him.There is never a question of her being a true saints fan but that does not make her a shrewd judge.Otherwise she would have listened to caution and not jumped into Wilde bunchs arms.

May i also point out she must have been at the club during the reverse takeover and that was worse we are told than anything that Lowe or LC have done to our club.

None of them IMO come out with any credit.

Edited 26 January, 2009 by OldNick

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Ah the very person who kicked off all the instability and helped bring Wilde to power, yet admits she didn't bother spending 5 minutes checking into his claims and credentials, is now kicking off about it again and wants to get him removed? Shouldn't she have worried a bit more about it 2 years ago when she voted Wilde in? Or during the past 2 years when the people she brought in wrecked the club's finances? Where is her own accountability? She has gone from disagreeing with Crouch and backing Wilde (like Crouch himself bizarrely), to now disagreeing with Wilde and backing Crouch. She needs to learn to think for herself and not keep joining the bandwagon - what is different now from 2 years ago, except her own actions have helped to nearly bankrupt the club?

 

She is on a different planet sometimes (assuming she's not up in the Scottish estate). Good to see she's being supportive of the team and Mark Wotte when we need it most...

 

A question for MC to Mull over before she starts up more rallies - when exactly did you withdraw your 1.4m share proxies from Wilde?

 

If you are going to slag Mary off Mark - at least get your facts correct. Indeed Mary did approach Wilde with her concerns over Dulieu and Hone shortly after she had proxied her shares to him but Wilde dismissed her concerns with "I have every faith in them". How do I know this? She told me and I don't have her down as the sort to lie to save her bacon. Unlike the puppet who now props up the man who in your eyes can do no wrong.

 

If you are going to get into the heat of the kitchen Mark check your facts first - if you can.

[OldNick]

If you are going to slag Mary off Mark - at least get your facts correct. Indeed Mary did approach Wilde with her concerns over Dulieu and Hone shortly after she had proxied her shares to him but Wilde dismissed her concerns with "I have every faith in them". How do I know this? She told me and I don't have her down as the sort to lie to save her bacon. Unlike the puppet who now props up the man who in your eyes can do no wrong.

 

If you are going to get into the heat of the kitchen Mark check your facts first - if you can.

Duncan I think you will find that Jonah was talking about when Wilde got the bunch together not after.

[Torbay Saint]

It's not amnesia, it's the fact that where blame is appropriate (as opposed to the 90% which is just petty name calling) I think it should be based up fact and not stuff you've just made up.

 

Lowe has made plenty of mistakes and the last big issue I had with him was about Wigley's appointment. That contributed to the relegation, but I still place Redknapp way way above him on the list of responsibility there. I'm sure there were some others, but not many outside of the "lunatic fringe" category really - stadium, stability, Cup Final, Europe. So yes, mistakes were made 4 years ago. Now let's try looking at the present shall we?

 

The current financial situation was brought about my those in charge over the last 2 years. Lowe wasn't one of them. Corbett, McMenemy and Crouch were. If you think Lowe should be turfed out now for what he did 4 years ago, isn't it rather hypocritical not to castigate those who have caused far more damage to the club far more recently?

 

As far as I'm aware Cowen is paid £25k and Lowe nothing (happy to be corrected). Let's not forget McMenemy was one of those taking the cash as we racked up the debts, £75k to be an "ambassador"?! Not bad for someone who has gotten through managers faster than Lowe. And Crouch who continually states he will make a "significant financial contribution" without putting in a penny (to the club), and acts like a demented schoolkid at the club's AGM when he should have shown some contrition for the mess that occurred under his watch (thanks for Gorman and Dodd!).

 

They all have their faults, let's try to criticise for real ones - what is RL's crime since relegation?

 

But unfortunately you cannot just dislodge relegation from the Premier League from this. If we had retained Preier League status then we probably would not be talking about this now. Bringing in an unproven manager in Jan did not work - hence he resigned. We are currently looking at facing our second relegation under Lowe in a matter of years. I think if you look at Lowe's tenure in charge since the mid 1990's he has made more incorrect decisions about the running of our football club than right ones.

[OldNick]

But unfortunately you cannot just dislodge relegation from the Premier League from this. If we had retained Preier League status then we probably would not be talking about this now. Bringing in an unproven manager in Jan did not work - hence he resigned. We are currently looking at facing our second relegation under Lowe in a matter of years. I think if you look at Lowe's tenure in charge since the mid 1990's he has made more incorrect decisions about the running of our football club than right ones.

There is so much there that I can relate to but also i also can't. Obviously if we had scored one more goal against WBA home or away we would not be talking about this now (that is how small the margin was about staying up) RL has made some awful decisions and perhaps the last one will be the most expensive, disasterous one of the lot.Keeping Jan was a terrible mistake and the new appointment seems as bad.if at the end of the season Wotte keeps us up i will apologise but RL you have made a massive mistake and so should remove yourself forthwith

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Dear Mary Corbett,

 

Can you give us your version of events regarding the Paul Allen interest,

because their have been allegations that you were one of those who were creating a stumbling block.

 

Regards,

 

 

Mike

 

I have spoken personally to Mary re the whole Paul Allen scenario.

 

In a nutshell Tom McLaughlin ™ approached the club and said PA was interested in investing in Southampton and was acting on his behalf. Checks were made and it was established that TM had in the past acted for PA (aircraft leasing) and therefore he was considered to be legit. Before long the execs went cold on the idea once they found out there was nothing in it for them. That meant TM was shunned - even to the point the execs refused him hospitality and he and another had to pay to enter SMS through the turnstiles. Mary, Leon and Co still believed TM could deliver but were frustrated by the facts the execs wanted to scupper the deal. As time went on suspicions grew that TM was not exactly kosher but contrary to reports Mary did not get on any aircraft or make any approaches to PA. She did have a friend however who knew PA slightly and she asked this friend to keep his ear out to see if PA's interest was genuine. Leon and Pat Trant called a meeting with TM who assured them he was still intent on delivering PA. Leon and Pat then paid him a sum of money by way of commission from their own accounts, but within a fortnight TM had reneged on promises and they lost their money. In the end things got nasty with TM which a lot on here can understand.

 

The only thing you could possible level at Leon, Mary and Co is they were sucked in but there again so were most of the fans.

[Nineteen Canteen]

If you are going to slag Mary off Mark - at least get your facts correct. Indeed Mary did approach Wilde with her concerns over Dulieu and Hone shortly after she had proxied her shares to him but Wilde dismissed her concerns with "I have every faith in them". How do I know this? She told me and I don't have her down as the sort to lie to save her bacon. Unlike the puppet who now props up the man who in your eyes can do no wrong.

 

If you are going to get into the heat of the kitchen Mark check your facts first - if you can.

 

And that was the total sum of her due diligence was it Duncan? Impressive that you don't coinsider her culpable afterall she was a non-exceutive director unless I am mistaken for which I apologise in advance if my facts are wrong. Non-execs have a key role in ensuring the executive board act in the best interests of the shareholders don't they? Not one where you simply accept what you are told by the people you are supposed to be monitoring surely. Ever heard of Nick Leeson? How many times are we told things in life and if you are not happy you investigate or get a second opinion but perhaps people like Corbett and yourself always trust what the salesman / expert tells you.

 

Your grudge against Lowe is completely personal and therefore not based on a fair assessment of the current regime and viable alternatives that could be implemented at short notice. The big man would be the one who could rise above previous insults and immediately adopt the higher ground but like Crouch you act like some errant schoolboy intent on revenge without any consideration of the consequences and the future of yourself and the things you supposedly support. Your inability to handle you anger and hatred must be having an impact on your personal life as its driving you to distraction and obsession. Take this opportunity Duncan and follow the lead of Frank Cousins if no one else.

[OldNick]

I have spoken personally to Mary re the whole Paul Allen scenario.

 

In a nutshell Tom McLaughlin ™ approached the club and said PA was interested in investing in Southampton and was acting on his behalf. Checks were made and it was established that TM had in the past acted for PA (aircraft leasing) and therefore he was considered to be legit. Before long the execs went cold on the idea once they found out there was nothing in it for them. That meant TM was shunned - even to the point the execs refused him hospitality and he and another had to pay to enter SMS through the turnstiles. Mary, Leon and Co still believed TM could deliver but were frustrated by the facts the execs wanted to scupper the deal. As time went on suspicions grew that TM was not exactly kosher but contrary to reports Mary did not get on any aircraft or make any approaches to PA. She did have a friend however who knew PA slightly and she asked this friend to keep his ear out to see if PA's interest was genuine. Leon and Pat Trant called a meeting with TM who assured them he was still intent on delivering PA. Leon and Pat then paid him a sum of money by way of commission from their own accounts, but within a fortnight TM had reneged on promises and they lost their money. In the end things got nasty with TM which a lot on here can understand.

 

The only thing you could possible level at Leon, Mary and Co is they were sucked in but there again so were most of the fans.

Thankyou for that Duncan but I am sure that it was stated by MC or her nephew that she flew to a beach to see a friend who knew PA to resurrect the deal.

[Mole]

And that was the total sum of her due diligence was it Duncan? Impressive that you don't coinsider her culpable afterall she was a non-exceutive director unless I am mistaken for which I apologise in advance if my facts are wrong. Non-execs have a key role in ensuring the executive board act in the best interests of the shareholders don't they? Not one where you simply accept what you are told by the people you are supposed to be monitoring surely. Ever heard of Nick Leeson? How many times are we told things in life and if you are not happy you investigate or get a second opinion but perhaps people like Corbett and yourself always trust what the salesman / expert tells you.

 

Your grudge against Lowe is completely personal and therefore not based on a fair assessment of the current regime and viable alternatives that could be implemented at short notice. The big man would be the one who could rise above previous insults and immediately adopt the higher ground but like Crouch you act like some errant schoolboy intent on revenge without any consideration of the consequences and the future of yourself and the things you supposedly support. Your inability to handle you anger and hatred must be having an impact on your personal life as its driving you to distraction and obsession. Take this opportunity Duncan and follow the lead of Frank Cousins if no one else.

 

Duncan don't answer this cretin.

[Snowballs2]

It's not amnesia, it's the fact that where blame is appropriate (as opposed to the 90% which is just petty name calling) I think it should be based up fact and not stuff you've just made up.

 

Lowe has made plenty of mistakes and the last big issue I had with him was about Wigley's appointment. That contributed to the relegation, but I still place Redknapp way way above him on the list of responsibility there. I'm sure there were some others, but not many outside of the "lunatic fringe" category really - stadium, stability, Cup Final, Europe. So yes, mistakes were made 4 years ago. Now let's try looking at the present shall we?

 

The current financial situation was brought about my those in charge over the last 2 years. Lowe wasn't one of them. Corbett, McMenemy and Crouch were. If you think Lowe should be turfed out now for what he did 4 years ago, isn't it rather hypocritical not to castigate those who have caused far more damage to the club far more recently?

 

As far as I'm aware Cowen is paid £25k and Lowe nothing (happy to be corrected). Let's not forget McMenemy was one of those taking the cash as we racked up the debts, £75k to be an "ambassador"?! Not bad for someone who has gotten through managers faster than Lowe. And Crouch who continually states he will make a "significant financial contribution" without putting in a penny (to the club), and acts like a demented schoolkid at the club's AGM when he should have shown some contrition for the mess that occurred under his watch (thanks for Gorman and Dodd!).

 

They all have their faults, let's try to criticise for real ones - what is RL's crime since relegation?

 

 

You are so totally out of touch with the real world...unless you are a deliberate wind up merchant.

[Torbay Saint]

There is so much there that I can relate to but also i also can't. Obviously if we had scored one more goal against WBA home or away we would not be talking about this now (that is how small the margin was about staying up) RL has made some awful decisions and perhaps the last one will be the most expensive, disasterous one of the lot.Keeping Jan was a terrible mistake and the new appointment seems as bad.if at the end of the season Wotte keeps us up i will apologise but RL you have made a massive mistake and so should remove yourself forthwith

 

I completely agree.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Thankyou for that Duncan but I am sure that it was stated by MC or her nephew that she flew to a beach to see a friend who knew PA to resurrect the deal.

 

No this mutual friend has a holiday home near the French south coast but Mary did not go there. They had the conversation at a wedding they both intended. Mary is pretty upset by this misapprehension. It is awkward for her too because she does not want to compromise her friend. I hope this clears things up.

[Snowballs2]

And that was the total sum of her due diligence was it Duncan? Impressive that you don't coinsider her culpable afterall she was a non-exceutive director unless I am mistaken for which I apologise in advance if my facts are wrong. Non-execs have a key role in ensuring the executive board act in the best interests of the shareholders don't they? Not one where you simply accept what you are told by the people you are supposed to be monitoring surely. Ever heard of Nick Leeson? How many times are we told things in life and if you are not happy you investigate or get a second opinion but perhaps people like Corbett and yourself always trust what the salesman / expert tells you.

 

Your grudge against Lowe is completely personal and therefore not based on a fair assessment of the current regime and viable alternatives that could be implemented at short notice. The big man would be the one who could rise above previous insults and immediately adopt the higher ground but like Crouch you act like some errant schoolboy intent on revenge without any consideration of the consequences and the future of yourself and the things you supposedly support. Your inability to handle you anger and hatred must be having an impact on your personal life as its driving you to distraction and obsession. Take this opportunity Duncan and follow the lead of Frank Cousins if no one else.

 

 

 

Lowe plant ???

[landford.saint]

FF thats about the most concise explanation of that whole saga I have heard... Thank you.

[JohnnyFartPants]

duncan don't answer this cretin.

 

lol

[landford.saint]

Lowe plant ???

 

Wilde plant?

[OldNick]

No this mutual friend has a holiday home near the French south coast but Mary did not go there. They had the conversation at a wedding they both intended. Mary is pretty upset by this misapprehension. It is awkward for her too because she does not want to compromise her friend. I hope this clears things up.

It helps but still does not fall in line with the info I had at that precise time. One day it would be great to know the whole facts and the bit you put up seems credible.

[Mole]

Lowe plant ???

 

No, it's Somedunce Beast

[OldNick]

No, it's Somedunce Beast

Stanley i could be wrong but i dont think it is him.I believe it is someone closely connected to the major players.the style seems to me to be very eloquent and well drafted unlike the stuff i put up.i think i may have united the fanbase with that comment

[jonah]

Indeed Mary did approach Wilde with her concerns over Dulieu and Hone shortly after she had proxied her shares to him but Wilde dismissed her concerns with "I have every faith in them". How do I know this? She told me and I don't have her down as the sort to lie to save her bacon.

 

If you are going to get into the heat of the kitchen Mark check your facts first - if you can.

 

Hallo Duncan, you're very fortunate to always have little snippets of conversation like these that prove your side of these debates. I was actually talking about MC (and her family) proxying their shares to Wilde rather than the appointments of Hone et al. However, since you want me to check my facts I thought I would copy the quote she gave to the Echo regarding this:

 

"For the Corbett family's part, we should never have pledged unequivocal support without going thorough due diligence on your proposed appointments.

 

So basically we have a woman who (a) pledges support and proxies shares to Wilde without checking him or his claims out, thus implicitly supporting his public statements regarding a new board, (b) then privately raises a concern over appointments without doing any due diligence there either, © continues to proxy shares to Wilde despite these reservations [or more likely she just accepted Wilde's opinion as fact], (d) oversees 2 years of disastrous financial performance together with footballing "highlights" like Gorman & Dodd and escaping relegation by 20 minutes, and (e) finally after 2 years of this decides to speak out in public because she doesn't want RL back. You think that's a good contribution?

 

I'm sure MC is a lovely woman. I'm sure she also cares passionately about Saints. My Nan is also a lovely woman who cares deeply about Southampton - she is as mad as a hat though and there is no way I'd want her having a say in how the club is run just because she inherited shares. I can live with RL, LC and MW being involved as they all paid for their right to an opinion. The same with Withers. The rest can pretty much all go away as far as I'm concerned - what would be interesting about administration (although it's obviously silly to wish for it), is that when it came back down to it most of the Directors/ex-Directors wouldn't spend 1p to buy shares back in the club - do you think McMenemy, Corbett, Richards, Askham, Wiseman or Trant would buy shares? Nope.

 

Unlike the puppet who now props up the man who in your eyes can do no wrong.

 

Hang on, I'm confused, which one is the puppet? Is that Wilde, the man you, Mary and all the other "passionate" Saints fans fell in love with and brought to power? Thank God for your objectivity eh! Duncan, instead of harping on at Lowe about relegation (again) at the AGM, why didn't you use the AGM to question the shambolic state of affairs the club had been left in and the part MC, LM and LC had in that period of the club? What a wasted opportunity. Do you not think it is better to look to the future than always look at the past?

 

The fact remains that last season we escaped relegation by 20 minutes. This season we have lost most of our most experienced players and are doing about the same (in fact quite a bit better given we were mid-table before Crouch came in as chairman). What did you and others expect this season? Promotion? Some people need a reailty check, this season has gone exactly as I would have expected (if not hoped).

[ottery st mary]

Why is MC above criticism? She has raised her head above the parapet again.It hads been rightly pointed out that she threw her weight behind Wilde the first time without checking up on him.There is never a question of her being a true saints fan but that does not make her a shrewd judge.Otherwise she would have listened to caution and not jumped into Wilde bunchs arms.

May i also point out she must have been at the club during the reverse takeover and that was worse we are told than anything that Lowe or LC have done to our club.

None of them IMO come out with any credit.

 

I stand by my original statement that Lowey and his cronies are not in the same league as Mary Corbett and your support for any of Lowey and his scandalous Lavender Hill Mob was ill advised many months ago..Mary Corbett does not have to be excused to people like you and The Luvvies.

 

The mere fact that they continue to support a man who wouldn't give a second glance at The Saints. He is not a supporter. He is not a business man of any sucess and he is not a football man.

 

My opinion and of course you are entitled to yours....I have tried to advise you way back about Rupey Baby and am only too pleased you are slowly seeing the light. But then again you can't help yourself the love is still there.

[Weston Saint]

I have a question.

 

Was Mary Corbett on the board of SLH as a non executive director before Wilde pushed Lowe out? I thought not but could be wrong. I thought she was merely a shareholder who was invited on the board as part of the Wilde takeover team.

 

Can anyone confirm I am correct and that Mary's only crime, that she has already admitted to, was that she did not carry out personal due diligence before supporting Wilde. Did not a number of other shareholders/saints fans including some posting on here do the same thing?

 

Not supporting Mary Corbett, just want to see the correct facts published.

[Greenridge]

I have a question.

 

Was Mary Corbett on the board of SLH as a non executive director before Wilde pushed Lowe out? I thought not but could be wrong. I thought she was merely a shareholder who was invited on the board as part of the Wilde takeover team.

 

Can anyone confirm I am correct and that Mary's only crime, that she has already admitted to, was that she did not carry out personal due diligence before supporting Wilde. Did not a number of other shareholders/saints fans including some posting on here do the same thing?

 

Not supporting Mary Corbett, just want to see the correct facts published.

 

That would be my understanding as well.

[Scummer]

I have a question.

 

Was Mary Corbett on the board of SLH as a non executive director before Wilde pushed Lowe out? I thought not but could be wrong. I thought she was merely a shareholder who was invited on the board as part of the Wilde takeover team.

 

Can anyone confirm I am correct and that Mary's only crime, that she has already admitted to, was that she did not carry out personal due diligence before supporting Wilde. Did not a number of other shareholders/saints fans including some posting on here do the same thing?

 

Not supporting Mary Corbett, just want to see the correct facts published.

 

Not sure she was ever on the board of SLH, wasn't she just on the board of the football club?

[Weston Saint]

Not sure she was ever on the board of SLH, wasn't she just on the board of the football club?

I think you are correct

[OldNick]

I stand by my original statement that Lowey and his cronies are not in the same league as Mary Corbett and your support for any of Lowey and his scandalous Lavender Hill Mob was ill advised many months ago..Mary Corbett does not have to be excused to people like you and The Luvvies.

 

The mere fact that they continue to support a man who wouldn't give a second glance at The Saints. He is not a supporter. He is not a business man of any sucess and he is not a football man.

 

My opinion and of course you are entitled to yours....I have tried to advise you way back about Rupey Baby and am only too pleased you are slowly seeing the light. But then again you can't help yourself the love is still there.

Not a case of seeing the light but seeing what is right.You have such a blinkered view that he does no right.I can he see he did some good things and some naff.MC also , but she has been in the shadows quaffing the champers when RL was there ,and i doubt she raised the slightest criticism when we were at Cardiff.The only time i have seen anything from her is in these turbulent times the first time when she cosied up to Wilde which now admits was a mistake.I was not in that band and so can feel superior as i warned against them. Now she comes out again when the club is on its knees.Is that in our interests really.Surely she should be banging the heads together and makijg alliances to get them all either gone or at least fighting for a common cause.

[JohnnyFartPants]

I stand by my original statement that Lowey and his cronies are not in the same league as Mary Corbett and your support for any of Lowey and his scandalous Lavender Hill Mob was ill advised many months ago..Mary Corbett does not have to be excused to people like you and The Luvvies.

 

The mere fact that they continue to support a man who wouldn't give a second glance at The Saints. He is not a supporter. He is not a business man of any sucess and he is not a football man.

 

My opinion and of course you are entitled to yours....I have tried to advise you way back about Rupey Baby and am only too pleased you are slowly seeing the light. But then again you can't help yourself the love is still there.

 

You make me smile with your drama acts. Keep it up matey.

[ottery st mary]

Not a case of seeing the light but seeing what is right.You have such a blinkered view that he does no right.I can he see he did some good things and some naff.MC also , but she has been in the shadows quaffing the champers when RL was there ,and i doubt she raised the slightest criticism when we were at Cardiff.The only time i have seen anything from her is in these turbulent times the first time when she cosied up to Wilde which now admits was a mistake.I was not in that band and so can feel superior as i warned against them. Now she comes out again when the club is on its knees.Is that in our interests really.Surely she should be banging the heads together and makijg alliances to get them all either gone or at least fighting for a common cause.

 

Yes sorry matey.....The love for Rupey is still there.

[OldNick]

Yes sorry matey.....The love for Rupey is still there.

I think you should wipe the picture of MC clean with a bit of tissue and then see that they ALL need shooting

[Scummer]

she has been in the shadows quaffing the champers

 

Bit dramatic isn't it? Unlike you to have a dig at someone's wealth as well, especially as you take the **** out of people for the exact same thing when it comes to RL.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

It helps but still does not fall in line with the info I had at that precise time. One day it would be great to know the whole facts and the bit you put up seems credible.

 

well Nick I was told by the horse's mouth so to speak and short of calling Mary a liar - which I am sure you wouldn't do - I think we had better take her version of events.

[JohnnyFartPants]

Bit dramatic isn't it? Unlike you to have a dig at someone's wealth as well, especially as you take the **** out of people for the exact same thing when it comes to RL.

 

It isn't having a go at her wealth is it, quite the opposite really given how the champagne was probably not paid for by her.

[Thedelldays]

i hope wilde and lowe go ASAP...mainly as reading the words "lowey, wildey and lavender hill mob" make me want to smash my laptop to pieces

[JohnnyFartPants]

well Nick I was told by the horse's mouth so to speak and short of calling Mary a liar - which I am sure you wouldn't do - I think we had better take her version of events.

 

I am sure this Mary bird is all good and proper but can people stop talking about her as if she was actually the mother of Jesus. I bet she has never even sat on a donkey.

[JustMike]

and that was the total sum of her due diligence was it duncan? Impressive that you don't coinsider her culpable afterall she was a non-exceutive director unless i am mistaken for which i apologise in advance if my facts are wrong. Non-execs have a key role in ensuring the executive board act in the best interests of the shareholders don't they? Not one where you simply accept what you are told by the people you are supposed to be monitoring surely. Ever heard of nick leeson? How many times are we told things in life and if you are not happy you investigate or get a second opinion but perhaps people like corbett and yourself always trust what the salesman / expert tells you.

 

Your grudge against lowe is completely personal and therefore not based on a fair assessment of the current regime and viable alternatives that could be implemented at short notice. The big man would be the one who could rise above previous insults and immediately adopt the higher ground but like crouch you act like some errant schoolboy intent on revenge without any consideration of the consequences and the future of yourself and the things you supposedly support. Your inability to handle you anger and hatred must be having an impact on your personal life as its driving you to distraction and obsession. Take this opportunity duncan and follow the lead of frank cousins if no one else.

 

plant!!

[Thedelldays]

I am sure this Mary bird is all good and proper but can people stop talking about her as if she was actually the mother of Jesus. I bet she has never even sat on a donkey.

i dont even know who she is really or why she is so popular...

[OldNick]

I am sure this Mary bird is all good and proper but can people stop talking about her as if she was actually the mother of Jesus. I bet she has never even sat on a donkey.

lol

[JohnnyFartPants]

i hope wilde and lowe go ASAP...mainly as reading the words "lowey, wildey and lavender hill mob" make me want to smash my laptop to pieces

 

I totally agree. Who brought this latest "Lavendar Hill Mob" thing to this site anyway? It ranks up there with "McEnemy" and "Insect Crouch" for sheer w@nkness.

[Scummer]

It isn't having a go at her wealth is it, quite the opposite really given how the champagne was probably not paid for by her.

 

He's talking about when Lowe was in charge, prior to her being involved in the club. So unless you know of some random bloke who buys her booze, then yeah he was having a go at her wealth.

[ottery st mary]

I think you should wipe the picture of MC clean with a bit of tissue and then see that they ALL need shooting

 

In my avatar you will see that the Love for Mary is out in the open.

 

nickey, if only you could shout from the rooftops your love for Rupert....sorry you already did that for most of the season...

 

Anyway you leave my Mary out of your little rants or I will speak to The Beast about you.

[OldNick]

well Nick I was told by the horse's mouth so to speak and short of calling Mary a liar - which I am sure you wouldn't do - I think we had better take her version of events.

Duncan, as i say it is a credible version in my eyes. At the time i heard from various parties different but as you have asked her i will take what you say as correct as you have no reason not to be truthful.

[JohnnyFartPants]

He's talking about when Lowe was in charge, prior to her being involved in the club. So unless you know of some random bloke who buys her booze, then yeah he was having a go at her wealth.

 

Only if you are so poverty striken that you consider a glass or two of champagne to be an expression of wealth, which it isn't. Honestly mate, it's for the likes of you and me in this modern world. You no longer have to look on at people in awe as they like bubbles in their wine.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Hallo Duncan, you're very fortunate to always have little snippets of conversation like these that prove your side of these debates. I was actually talking about MC (and her family) proxying their shares to Wilde rather than the appointments of Hone et al. However, since you want me to check my facts I thought I would copy the quote she gave to the Echo regarding this:

 

 

 

So basically we have a woman who (a) pledges support and proxies shares to Wilde without checking him or his claims out, thus implicitly supporting his public statements regarding a new board, (b) then privately raises a concern over appointments without doing any due diligence there either, © continues to proxy shares to Wilde despite these reservations [or more likely she just accepted Wilde's opinion as fact], (d) oversees 2 years of disastrous financial performance together with footballing "highlights" like Gorman & Dodd and escaping relegation by 20 minutes, and (e) finally after 2 years of this decides to speak out in public because she doesn't want RL back. You think that's a good contribution?

 

I'm sure MC is a lovely woman. I'm sure she also cares passionately about Saints. My Nan is also a lovely woman who cares deeply about Southampton - she is as mad as a hat though and there is no way I'd want her having a say in how the club is run just because she inherited shares. I can live with RL, LC and MW being involved as they all paid for their right to an opinion. The same with Withers. The rest can pretty much all go away as far as I'm concerned - what would be interesting about administration (although it's obviously silly to wish for it), is that when it came back down to it most of the Directors/ex-Directors wouldn't spend 1p to buy shares back in the club - do you think McMenemy, Corbett, Richards, Askham, Wiseman or Trant would buy shares? Nope.

 

 

 

Hang on, I'm confused, which one is the puppet? Is that Wilde, the man you, Mary and all the other "passionate" Saints fans fell in love with and brought to power? Thank God for your objectivity eh! Duncan, instead of harping on at Lowe about relegation (again) at the AGM, why didn't you use the AGM to question the shambolic state of affairs the club had been left in and the part MC, LM and LC had in that period of the club? What a wasted opportunity. Do you not think it is better to look to the future than always look at the past?

 

The fact remains that last season we escaped relegation by 20 minutes. This season we have lost most of our most experienced players and are doing about the same (in fact quite a bit better given we were mid-table before Crouch came in as chairman). What did you and others expect this season? Promotion? Some people need a reailty check, this season has gone exactly as I would have expected (if not hoped).

 

 

Mark - you may have missed a reply I posted a week or two back when I apologised to you for getting it wrong re Wilde. I admitted I had been far too quick to welcome Wilde (and I am sure Mary would too have some regrets as hindsight is a wonderful thing) but you have to remember who created the climate that, at the time made us feel like drowning men clutching at straws. When you're fighting to keep your head above water a drowning man does not check the seaworthiness of the lifeboat.

 

I am pretty sure Mary no longer has aspirations to once again serve as a director of SFC so we need not judge her competence on that score. What she has proved today is unlike some who continue to slither and hide behind the nearest stone (Askham and Wilde) she is at least prepared to put her head above the parapet. She does this because she is a fan who is concerned at the directiion the club is going. If you met her you would soon see that. She did not ask to inherit her father's shares and I have never heard her claim to have any rights because of it. If you and I had inherited a similar windfall you and I would have been as keen as her to have had the chance to get involved and I daresay we would have made mistakes - but they would have been genuinely made.

[JohnnyFartPants]

In my avatar you will see that the Love for Mary is out in the open.

 

nickey, if only you could shout from the rooftops your love for Rupert....sorry you already did that for most of the season...

 

Anyway you leave my Mary out of your little rants or I will speak to The Beast about you.

 

Is she well fit this Mary sort?

[OldNick]

He's talking about when Lowe was in charge, prior to her being involved in the club. So unless you know of some random bloke who buys her booze, then yeah he was having a go at her wealth.

Scummer i have no problem with her wealth.My understanding is that she would have been at the club for decades with her fathers connection and so would have enjoyed the trappings of the directors lounges (not just her but many others) but never thought about the criticisms then as she was quaffing the champagne bought by the proceeds of our support (do you get my meaning now.She may not drink champers it may have been bucks fizz or brown ale i dont care except in the principle of my post)