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16 minutes ago, Toussaint said:

On the upside, I couldn’t be bothered to go, so here I am, sitting comfortably in my reclining chair, contemplating a drink of something alcoholic before retiring to bed. Thereby avoiding a half hour walk to the car and a traffic jam on Millbrook road. You see, there is always a positive that can be taken. 

Yep feeling very similar 

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woodsaint1

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In the hat which is all that matters.

BUT

If we play like that when the PL returns then it will not be pretty.

I hope we havent been working on 5 at the back for the past 40 days as it clearly didnt work. Hopefully Jones recognises that.

We're still missing clear chances. 

Its one thing seeing flaws on the training pitch but thankfully Jones has seen them on the pitch when it matters and very early into his tenure (not 5 PL games later).

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Nordic Saint

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9 minutes ago, Ralph Fastenbüttl said:

I can't decide what's the most embarrassing:

1. Edozie's miss
2. Adams' miss
3. The collective bed-wetting and pant-shitting in this thread

Probably this: 

I become more impressed by Nathan every time I hear him speak. 🤣
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woodsaint1

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12 minutes ago, Ralph Fastenbüttl said:

I can't decide what's the most embarrassing:

1. Edozie's miss
2. Adams' miss
3. The collective bed-wetting and pant-shitting in this thread

Undoubtedly number 3. Some mental analysis too. Cant believe I've read that Jones is having to play 5 at the back because Sports Republic said so 😂

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Well I had to stop watching the (very good) livestream (thank you Charlie) with 5 mins of normal play to go so missed the two sitters everyone is talking about. 

From what I saw, it looked like we had found our level - mid-table League One.

How AMN wasn't taken off at half time, or early in the second half I'll never know - he doesn't look like he's interested in playing professional football - so don't play him. Edozie was the only consistent bright spark. Didn't see the Bazunu error for their goal but sounds like powderpuffing...he will get picked on by the bully-boys unless he cures that immediately. Everyone else was...well just shite really. Predictable one-trick pony attack play...cut back on the edge of the 18-yard box to JWP to curl a cross in to the back post...mixed with Lyanco hoof ball long diagonal....or give it to Edozie (when he was on) and let him beat three players to get to the byeline and cut-back. 

So slow and ponderous and...jeez...Walcott on before Mara or Aribo? What's going on?  In fairness Walcott did okay for the few minutes he was on.

Nothing to suggest Jones has done anything in the six weeks he had with the team, except perhaps convince Lavia he's too good for us (expect the announcement of Chelsea buying him to come after he misses the Boxing Day game).

 

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Give it to Ron

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So positives JWP passed it forward far more. 
we changed shape early when clearly not working something Ralph often didn’t .

Subs were good but how bad must Mara be if the pathetic Armstrong gets picked ahead of him! 
I hate slating our players and have been big supporter of Armstrong but he hid and played in areas he couldn’t contribute or get chances he could miss.

He was abysmal tonight and correctly hooked.

The last 10 showed what we all know and if not addressed will see us go down.

 

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Just got back. Very rusty and very nervy. Obviously not a great performance but I’m going to stay curious for now. Great to see Adams score twice but the late misses were the stuff of nightmares. 
 

Thought Che, Moi, Perraud, Lyanco, Stu, Edozie all played relatively well.  M-Niles had a mare, nothing seemed to go for him but he stuck at it. 
 

a win is a win and we’ll be better for the run out. Two games from Wembley sounds good too.

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The main thing is we're through, although large parts of the first half I was thinking it's better to go out tonight than prolonging our exit until the next round. 

Maitland-Niles shouldn't be in a Premier League squad. That promise he showed at Arsenal has completely distinguished.

I don't get the Bazunu bashing. Is he meant to expect his own player to lob him, then punch through the opposition players head to clear the ball? That goal was completely on AMN's incompetent "clearance". And yes, I used to play in goal 😅. 

Improved when we went to a back 4, with Stu and Edozie bringing some quality. Theo also did well in his cameo.

The less said about the two chances at the end the better.

 

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Just back from possibly the sh*test win I’ve ever been to. Lincoln looked like a mid table League 1 team, well up for a cup game. Nothing more, nothing less. Against Prem opposition, we’ll get battered playing like that. First half especially was awful, three CBs knocking it over the top for a goal kick. We’ll never get the time and space to score those two goals in a league game and the two misses… holy sh*t. Adams and the keeper could have won Strictly with the second one.

TBF to Jones and the team, we did look better after the subs but that’s starting from a pretty poor datum. Perraud and Adams I though we’re decent throughout, Stu and Edozie likewise when they came on, misses aside. AMN looked like he’d won a competition to play the first half. The defence were never really troubled enough to comment, their #7 looked like he could play a bit but that’s all.

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AMN and A.Armstrong I don’t want to see anywhere near the starting 11 ever again… if we try play 5 at the back again I will just give up, good god - that was a tough watch. 
 

As others have said, the less said about those two sitters at the end, the better. 😫 

Only positives were Edozie / Stu and the change to 4 at the back turning us into something slightly more threatening. 

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2 hours ago, egg said:

It's weird. Selles is the only one of the old guard. Well, the only one on the coaching staff. 

We did this last season as well, before Selles was even here himself.

I don't know who else could be instructing it! The GK Coach? (would be equally as odd mind)

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Just got in as well. We won ! It’s a rebuilding job and it’s going to take time. We have two thirds of the season to go and the Manager did an early change tactically with subs and we won. 
 

Their goal was a fluke and that was our first competitive game for 6 weeks. You could see players were not match fit. The longer the game went on the more they gelled. 
 

We can see that we will be getting the ball into the box a lot more than under Ralph. Edozie looked really good bar the howler of a miss. 
 

Che was greedy for a hat trick. Isn’t that what we want ? A goal greedy striker. 
 

We moan as fans so much it’s unreal. Get behind the manager and team. It’s a new start ffs. 

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JRM

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1 hour ago, Manuel said:

Hopefully we won't be seeing 3 at the back for a while now.  Calamities all over the place but better once the formation changed.

Maitland-Niles' errors could easily have cost us more than just 1 goal tonight.  

It was carry on defending, not sure what they've been practicing over last few weeks but positioning isn't one of them, Lyanco passing way off target, ABK getting turned easily, none of them seemed to know who was going to the ball so stood off, the three at the back left us light in midfield and Maitland-Niles was poor I thought, gave the ball away several times. 

Hopefully bit of match fitness gained but can't see us beating Brighton

Excited for the 1/4 final draw, March to the Arch continues. 

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1 hour ago, The Kraken said:

I’m fearful we’ve wasted a month. In the summer we had a pre season of mostly playing 3CBs, it obviously wasn’t working but we carried it through to the regular season before ditching it almost immediately. I just hope we haven’t spent the past month preparing to play 3 at the back again, only to realise it’s a terrible solution for this bunch and they can’t play it.

I’ve seen literally nothing from Jones tonight to suggest that he’s brought in some bright, new ideas. It’s exactly as we were on the opening day of the season. Can only hope he’s seen enough to fuck off the 3 at the back and get on with working out how to sort out our misfiring central midfield, and have more scoring options than Che Adams.

Agree. 

Three at the back looked a shambles, left us light in midfield as well, doesn't work very well for us. 

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I won my tickets for tonight on the Carabao website and I still feel ripped off.

Hard to know what to make of that, expected to see some sort of identity to our play but it was very much new gaffer same shit for the first 60 minutes. That being said their campaign has carried on these past 6 weeks whilst we’ve had a break so it’s no surprise that they seemed a bit more of a unit that first hour.

Glad we won, that’s the main thing, looked better with the substitutions, hopefully I never see Maitland-Niles or Adam Armstrong in a Saints shirt again but don’t think that’s likely.

Fair play to the imps fans for making that trip midweek so close to Christmas. Some of their chants were a bit Mickey Mouse but they put our fans to shame in the noise stakes.

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2 minutes ago, JRM said:

Agree. 

Three at the back looked a shambles, left us light in midfield as well, doesn't work very well for us. 

With the players we’ve got it’s probably the best formation to suit them but for whatever reason it just doesn’t work for us. Weird really as every time we’ve used it it’s been crap

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JRM

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Just now, Turkish said:

With the players we’ve got it’s probably the best formation to suit them but for whatever reason it just doesn’t work for us. Weird really as every time we’ve used it it’s been crap

Guess the idea is to give full backs freedom to attack, maybe with Lavia in for Maitland Niles it would work better if we have more presence in midfield. 

Some of the chances missed near the end will definitely make the cut on Danny Bakers football bloopers vhs out in time for Christmas 

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5 minutes ago, JRM said:

Guess the idea is to give full backs freedom to attack, maybe with Lavia in for Maitland Niles it would work better if we have more presence in midfield. 

Some of the chances missed near the end will definitely make the cut on Danny Bakers football bloopers vhs out in time for Christmas 

Trouble with three at the back and fullbacks providing the width is that puts all the emphasis on scoring on the strikers. No attacking wide players getting into the box, at best you've got another midfielder joining them at worst it's just the strikers and ours aren't the best. The only time we look threatening is when we get attacking midfielders, Aribo, S.Armstrong, yes even Elyounoussi at times, working in and around the edge of the box. 

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8 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

Trouble with three at the back and fullbacks providing the width is that puts all the emphasis on scoring on the strikers. No attacking wide players getting into the box, at best you've got another midfielder joining them at worst it's just the strikers and ours aren't the best. The only time we look threatening is when we get attacking midfielders, Aribo, S.Armstrong, yes even Elyounoussi at times, working in and around the edge of the box. 

I've noticed that KWP actually looks more threatening in a back 4. 

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Hopefully a decent formation for BHA. 

Maybe I'm old fashioned but perhaps he could have figured this out in the 40 days without a game instead of what'll probably be us pissing away potentially winnable games while he figures it out. 

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2 hours ago, whelk said:

How did he miss?

Moi was caught in 2 minds where to put the ball in the net - Edozie was waiting for any scraps. Then Moi suddenly thought “Fuck it” I can’t decide and squared it - Edozie seemed “oh shit I wasn’t expecting that, my feet aren’t quite right”.

in the moment it was surreal and quite in keeping with the game.

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1 hour ago, Saint-Reece said:

AMN and A.Armstrong I don’t want to see anywhere near the starting 11 ever again… if we try play 5 at the back again I will just give up, good god - that was a tough watch. 
 

As others have said, the less said about those two sitters at the end, the better. 😫 

Only positives were Edozie / Stu and the change to 4 at the back turning us into something slightly more threatening. 

Totally agree. We can't do 5 at back and midfield were absent in first half. And can the lads who keep letting off flares in the Northam concourse (happened at Sheff Wed and again tonight) please save a couple to shove up AMN's a*se!

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5 hours ago, Fabrice29 said:

Our best attacking wide players are our full backs. Encouraging them to be further up the field by playing 3 at the back is sensible. 

How did that work for us tonight?

3 centre backs compromises us in attack and relies on us having good players up front. When one of our attacking players is Armstrong we really are in trouble.

I was hoping Jones might have something a bit better in his locker - hopefully he has a plan B.

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A couple of thoughts.

He could hardly play youngsters as he had to win this game however I have read reports that he don’t play them anyway which is sad as we have 4 fantastic prospects at the club.

Need that killer instincts in front of goal and having a half decent striker to work with Adams will lift the whole squad. Fingers crossed we get two players in ASAP.

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That was poor.

No midfield at all. Wing backs and JWP too far away from the back three so it was impossible to build any kind of possession. The only tactic was for Lyanco to hit a very long inaccurate ball into touch or to a Lincoln player…

Where was the much lauded’ support for the man on the ball’ Didn’t see that at all.

God and as for picking Adam Armstrong ! Jones needs to pick his game up quick because that was worse than a Ralph performance by him… 
Tactics, coaching and team selection for this game were of the lowest order and a very disappointing start Nathan considering you had six weeks to study and plan…What have you been doing ?

 

 

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8 hours ago, Andrew Watson said:

Having read through the bbc thread and on here, seems like a very worrying performance. Concede to Brighton early and the game will be over by half time. Do not see us staying up unless a miracle happens. Difficult to see where the next league win will come from. I said 2 - 1 to a mate, but was really hoping for a lot better against a league 1 side.

I wouldn’t read too much into that game, a very rusty Saints side who haven’t  played for weeks with  a new manager who is only just getting to know his players. We know we need to invest heavily.

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NJ said before the game it may not be pretty, when we started with 3 CBs at home against a L1 side I think he was more concerned with not getting off to a moral-crushing first game defeat. Thought there'd be a bit of a buzz about the place, it was flat in the stands too. A small band of travelling supporters dominate the atmosphere as usual, the only time the volume raised slightly was a couple of "who are ya" after we scored and the bizarre "you fat bastard".

Should have given it a skip, a few hours of my life I'll never get back.

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12 minutes ago, InvictaSaint said:

Worth a listen. He’s clearly keeping his powder dry to an extent which is understandable but there is absolute recognition that there were things which very much need to improve.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0dqlj35

He's obviously impressed with Theo in training, looks like we'll be seeing more of him up front.  Hopefully he'll get the best out of him.  

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AMM and Adam.Armstrong are not premiership capable players both offer nothing and both need to go in January...

How many years have we been in the Premiership I can't fathom how we have such a crap./ weak squad across all areas... 

What the hell have we been doing ? 🤣🤣🤣

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Thought I’d save my comments for morning after reflection. It’s no better. That was a a dismal display at home to a not very good Lincoln side, although at times they had a better idea of how to move the ball quickly than our inept lot. On that showing we’ll be smashed by most teams in the Prem and dead certs (still) to go down.

I was expecting to see something different - more urgency, better off ball movement, intelligent passing…I don’t know, just an improvement of some kind. Worryingly all I saw was more of the same boring style of football dished up by Ralphball. Nothing has changed. More criminally inaccurate passing and certainly a lack of goal scoring prowess. Starting 5 at the back at home against a team two leagues lower than us - wtf?!?

AMN was a liability…terrible game and doesn’t look bothered or fit. Armstrong (A) is a waste of a striker space - tries hard but is woefully short of the skill necessary to score goals. The two missed golden chances at the end were embarrassing to say the least - I can forgive Edozie given he’s still learning, but Adams showed a selfish side to his play that should not be tolerated ( good to see Djenepo give him a really hard time). Walcott showed up for the 10 minutes he remained on the field, but now will probably be on the treatment table for another 2 months. JWP…OK, but his corners are so frustratingly poor, looping up and typically easy fodder for a competent keeper.

We desperately still need a very good experienced striker and attacking playmaker to save the season.

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Massively underwhelming night. Flat atmosphere and no change from Ralph's style.

Maitland-Niles needs to be sent back to Arsenal. He was terrible, constantly gave the ball away. Looked so not bothered.

The team lacked pace, urgency, and any sort of defined system. The tactics were, hit long hopeful 40 50 yard passes, and hope our dynamic skillful forwards, would create something from it. Several flaws in that plan.

JWP started on the right, then seemed to drift all over the place. He is our one major asset, and yet never seems to be played where he is most effective.

A win is a win, but my God there needs to be a shake up before they meet a team that fights back.

Right positives

Jones changed things quicker than Ralph. JWP was moved into a more effective position and once Armstrong and Djenepo came on, Saints looked way more vibrant.

Lyanco played well as a sweeper, very well actually. Be interesting to see how that fairs in the Prem.

Adams had a good game, did his job, but oh my that last missed opportunity. He rightly felt the wrath of his team.

So looking forward to Brighton.

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