Nathan Jones

[Saint Troy]

3 hours ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

Considering that’s a poll taken when we pretty much knew he was our man it’s not great is it.. how many would have suggested him over gallardo svenson kompany etc..

But it’s done now let’s just hope it works out

We need a poll now of will you support the appointment - loads of people didnt want it because we wanted to equal the Emery level of appointment. But now he's here it'd be interesting to see what the poll says as there are qualities he has that people can get behind. I for one support him now and am wanting him to do well and will see what he has to offer

[Holmes_and_Watson]

10 hours ago, leeham_69 said:

I was thinking "Me and Mrs/Nathan Jones"
 

 

It's a good song, but with all the other negativity, I didn't think one about running off with his wife was going to help. 🙂

[manji]

Rasmus initially wanted Jones for Brentford. Clearly he has been seriously vetted.

[Maggie May]

Well, there’s nothing else for us to do now as fans but back him 100%. I did say the other day that if there’s one club that should have learned from past mistakes it should be us (think Luggy, Gray, Wigley). However I do like the way he comes across in his interviews and he will give his all, which gives me hope.  I’m sure SR know what they are doing and he’s close to Matt Crocker.

It’s very enjoyable watching a few bitter Stoke fans slag him off on social media. It’s a big gamble for us but I’d love him to build something special here.  

[saintant]

7 minutes ago, Maggie May said:

Well, there’s nothing else for us to do now as fans but back him 100%. I did say the other day that if there’s one club that should have learned from past mistakes it should be us (think Luggy, Gray, Wigley). However I do like the way he comes across in his interviews and he will give his all, which gives me hope.  I’m sure SR know what they are doing and he’s close to Matt Crocker.

It’s very enjoyable watching a few bitter Stoke fans slag him off on social media. It’s a big gamble for us but I’d love him to build something special here.  

Not sure why people keep bringing up Luggy, Gray and Wigley as though they have any relevance whatsoever to the appointment of Nathan Jones. 

[Maggie May]

3 minutes ago, saintant said:

Not sure why people keep bringing up Luggy, Gray and Wigley as though they have any relevance whatsoever to the appointment of Nathan Jones. 

Because they were big time Premier League gamble appointments at the time they were brought in. 

We are in a relegation fight nearly half way through the season. NJ is a massive gamble.

 

[Baird of the land]

Comparing to Wigley or gray is stupid, both of them had zero managerial experience.

[S-Clarke]

Everyone has had their chance to vent their opinions, but now is the time for everyone to put those to one side and support the club.

The reactions to this are much the same as 'big name signings' who make everyone excited and relative unknowns get people feeling underwhelmed. I would say during my experience as a fan of Southampton it has been our 'unknowns' who have been our greater successes.

What is obvious from this appointment is that it's been strongly vetted, this isn't decided on a whim, and it seems as if we have been studying him for some time - and in Rasmus's case, many years. 

I remember similar opinions vented around Poch, there were calls for protests at his first game and all sorts. At the time we'd got rid of a popular manager and replaced him with someone who was unknown, spoke zero English and had to carry a translator around with him everywhere - on paper a worse situation than Janes. People proclaimed at the time we were down, relegated, no way back etc. The point I'm trying to make is that these sorts of appointments often work out better because there has been clear thought behind them, we've not just gone after the latest name or the first name manager on the out of job list (the easy choice), we've taken a risk and a gamble on someone we believe in and he has my full support.

[Chez]

Gonna be flippin tough, but I'm looking forward to the next chapter. Hopefully its a long successful one. Obviously there is some trepidation, there is with all new managers, but compared to the appointment of Wigley this seems a smart move.  How smart we will have to wait and see. At least he seems bloody happy to be here which is more than you can say for saggy.

[Portugalsaint]

He has to be given a chance.  Bar the game against Liverpool, he will have plenty of time to get the players on board because the WC is not a problem the majority of the players have been left out.  Bella in the squad for Germany isn’t that it?  Boxing Day will be the squads chance to shine.

[Pilchards]

1 hour ago, manji said:

Rasmus initially wanted Jones for Brentford. Clearly he has been seriously vetted.

That actually is 100% spot on.

18 months he’s been tracked for I found out.

 

Edited 10 November, 2022 by Pilchards

[Billy the Kidd]

1 hour ago, manji said:

Rasmus initially wanted Jones for Brentford. Clearly he has been seriously vetted.

Yeah heard this a bit lately. Why didnt he go to Brentford, Jones turn it down or they chose Frank instead?

[LGTL]

Wouldn’t have been my choice but we’ve no option now to fully get behind him. 
 

Good luck to him, I think he’s going to need it and christ, I hope he gets it right. 

[macca155]

He mentioned the World Cup break in his interview. Seems to view it positively as an opportunity to imprint his style and vision on the squad. ABK and Salisu may need to be quick learners.

This does feel like a bonus. Other Prem teams have worked Saints out, a new improved (or different) version might present a few more opportunities for points.

Something to look forward to. The Brentford game is going to be an adrenaline boosted manic event.

 

[woodsaint1]

Welcome Nathan and good luck.

I've no doubt that he will get an improvement out of this squad as it had become really stagnant under Ralph and some of the players had lost faith in him. Better work rate, better organisation, being stronger defensively are things we're definitely capable of improving on, but It's clear that we're lacking the firepower/creativity which will tie the hands of any new manager. 

This change of manager will matter little if we dont back him in the January window. We badly need a goalscorer and somebody who can create chances at the very minimum. Other struggling clubs like Wolves, Forest, Everton etc will likely be shopping in the same market, so hopefully like our managerial recruitment, we've got our targets identified and can move quickly 

[maysie]

2 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

Everyone has had their chance to vent their opinions, but now is the time for everyone to put those to one side and support the club.

The reactions to this are much the same as 'big name signings' who make everyone excited and relative unknowns get people feeling underwhelmed. I would say during my experience as a fan of Southampton it has been our 'unknowns' who have been our greater successes.

What is obvious from this appointment is that it's been strongly vetted, this isn't decided on a whim, and it seems as if we have been studying him for some time - and in Rasmus's case, many years. 

I remember similar opinions vented around Poch, there were calls for protests at his first game and all sorts. At the time we'd got rid of a popular manager and replaced him with someone who was unknown, spoke zero English and had to carry a translator around with him everywhere - on paper a worse situation than Janes. People proclaimed at the time we were down, relegated, no way back etc. The point I'm trying to make is that these sorts of appointments often work out better because there has been clear thought behind them, we've not just gone after the latest name or the first name manager on the out of job list (the easy choice), we've taken a risk and a gamble on someone we believe in and he has my full support.

I’m just really worried about Jane’s situation. Updates please….

[Holmes_and_Watson]

56 minutes ago, maysie said:

I’m just really worried about Jane’s situation. Updates please….

Tomorrow's news... today!

Dateline January 4th 2023

Tarzan joins Saints, in early window swoop.

Jane now optimistic of league survival, and a Netflix series...

[Rivers]

On 09/11/2022 at 23:21, CanadaSaint said:

How difficult is it? There's a page where you can voice your opinion on whether you want Nathan Jones. . .

Good luck Nathan. We're behind you. Well, most of us.

Now that he has been officially appointed -- I cannot imagine there is a genuine Saints supporter who is not behind him, and desperately hoping he will make a great success of the opportunity that has been presented to him. Anything less would be entirely counter-productive.

I started the poll topic as a read through of the New Manager thread seemed overwhelmingly negative about him potentially coming here. I felt it would be insightful to give everyone an opportunity to contribute to a one shot overview of how the SWF section of our fanbase were feeling.

So many seemed so unhappy with the news, it was a chance to reflect that unhappiness in the unlikely event that those running the Club actually gave a flying f*ck about what the Club's supporters thought. It has swayed the decisions of another Premier League Club's board in recent times after all. 

I could have simply made it a yes or no choice for greater polarity, but including the unsure option was a tactical choice, as when asked to nail your colours to the mast, it can help to bring greater clarity to our thought process, and to allow for uncertainty gives a fairer reflection in the end results.

Many of us, for clear and obvious reasons, have strong reservations that someone of Nathan Jones' current stature in the Football world will have the necessary gravitas to motivate our young millionaires, many from the top academies in the country,  and get them playing for him. Naturally however, now that he is here regardless of what the fans wanted -- he will have my fullest support.

 

On 09/11/2022 at 23:26, imadirtyurchin said:

Most of us?! Are you sure about that? The poll says differently.

I think one the problems the fans have is that SR haven’t communicated any of their intentions about the club. No PR.

Indeed, it sure doesn't help. When SR first came in, they promised to be "active and involved" owners, and to be far more communicative than our previous reclusive incumbent. This simply hasn't happened. After the initial wave of euphoria and excitement at their seemingly ambitious and encouraging new project, they failed to fan those flames by taking us all along with them on their brave new footballing adventure, by simply communicating their ideas or involving us in their plans along the way. Leaving instead the gaping leadership void we've grown so accustomed to over the years fully intact. 

All we've heard instead by word of mouth, is how Ankersen considers second tier Turkish Gozetepe to be bigger than their so-called Cornerstone Club on which the whole operation is meant to be based. It does not inspire confidence in those running our beloved Club, and adding then to that the sudden imminent appointment of the Luton Town manager to save our perilous looking season set off massive alarm bells for many.

Of course, we all surely hope what seems like a massive clusterf*ck waiting to happen actually turns out to be a masterstroke of impressive insight and forward planning. But with the catastrophic non appearance of the top striker we all knew we needed fresh in the mind, when the new manager of a Premier League Football Club (where Image and Professionalism is key) - turns up offering handshakes with his fingertips taped up like the serial killer from Se7en -- one could be forgiven for wondering, if those running the Club haven't completely lost their minds. 

That having been said, the very best of luck Mr. Jones, I truly hope you turn out to be an inspired choice, and restore our faith that our Club does actually have some kind of idea what it is doing

[bennyev]

Remembered tonight how buzzing I was for George Burley. Thought we’d absolutely smashed it. So Wtf do I know.

Would love him to prove everyone wrong. 

Got a weird feeling that we might get something from Liverpool

[skintsaint]

10 minutes ago, bennyev said:

Remembered tonight how buzzing I was for George Burley. Thought we’d absolutely smashed it. So Wtf do I know.

First season we were already, got playoffs then done by the pen shootout with Derby. Amazing we got compo from the Scottish FA for him as he was wank after that!

[Nolan]

It is going to be interesting to see the new backroom dynamics at play. Staff Listed on official Website as

• Nathan Jones: First Team Manager
• Rueben Selles: First Team Lead Coach
• Chris Cohen: First Team Coach
• Alan Sheehan: First Team Coach
• Carl Martin: First Team Coach
• Andrew Sparkes: Goalkeeping Coach
• Alek Gross: Head of Sports Science

[JRM]

8 hours ago, macca155 said:

He mentioned the World Cup break in his interview. Seems to view it positively as an opportunity to imprint his style and vision on the squad. ABK and Salisu may need to be quick learners.

This does feel like a bonus. Other Prem teams have worked Saints out, a new improved (or different) version might present a few more opportunities for points.

Something to look forward to. The Brentford game is going to be an adrenaline boosted manic event.

 

I wonder if he's read Ralph's playbook ? That was our Bible previously, maybe Jones will just add his own chapter rather than changing too much

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-9075691/Ralph-Hasenhuttls-Southampton-Playbook-inspired-super-start-season.html

[Holmes_and_Watson]

1 hour ago, JRM said:

I wonder if he's read Ralph's playbook ? That was our Bible previously, maybe Jones will just add his own chapter rather than changing too much

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-9075691/Ralph-Hasenhuttls-Southampton-Playbook-inspired-super-start-season.html

I hope there are some revelations in his chapter and it doesn't lead to an exodus. 🙂

[Dusic]

First press conference and I thought he came across well, and talks  good game.

Clearly very passionate and I'm sure well capable of giving the players a rocket but also soujds like he will be a bit more hands on and approachable than Ralph was.

Interesting that he kind of gave way that he had a good idea he was coming here before or at least during the Newcastle game as his father in law was giving him some tips!

Also pretty clear he was a SR hire, mentioning that Ankersen knows what he wants from a manager/team and NJ scores high on those metrics hence getting the job ahead of others, he suggested the club looked at a lot of managers over a long time. Reading between the lines I think he probably was lined up to come in after the Liverpool game - perhaps for a while - and then thats been accelerated.

Also suggested cash will be available in Jan if the squad needs a bit of help (which it obviously does).

A gamble, yes - but definitely a calculated and thought out appointment rather than a random stab in the dark.

Lets hope he gets off to the start that he and we so badly need.

[Saintscummer]

14 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

Everyone has had their chance to vent their opinions, but now is the time for everyone to put those to one side and support the club.

The reactions to this are much the same as 'big name signings' who make everyone excited and relative unknowns get people feeling underwhelmed. I would say during my experience as a fan of Southampton it has been our 'unknowns' who have been our greater successes.

What is obvious from this appointment is that it's been strongly vetted, this isn't decided on a whim, and it seems as if we have been studying him for some time - and in Rasmus's case, many years. 

I remember similar opinions vented around Poch, there were calls for protests at his first game and all sorts. At the time we'd got rid of a popular manager and replaced him with someone who was unknown, spoke zero English and had to carry a translator around with him everywhere - on paper a worse situation than Janes. People proclaimed at the time we were down, relegated, no way back etc. The point I'm trying to make is that these sorts of appointments often work out better because there has been clear thought behind them, we've not just gone after the latest name or the first name manager on the out of job list (the easy choice), we've taken a risk and a gamble on someone we believe in and he has my full support.

Sense 

[Saint Fan CaM]

19 hours ago, saintant said:

Blimey,you just upped the ante -now you're wanting a 20 goal a season striker 🙂

If we don’t get a striker capable of scoring 7 or 8 goals in half a season we’re likely to go down. The only possible exception is if NJ can magic goals out of Adams and Armstrong. It’s as brutally simple as that.

[alehouseboys]

Perfectly understandable that eyebrows were raised when his name was first linked but some of the reactions have been bordering on the hysterical. I’m onboard now and my vigour has been revigged!

Now looking ahead to, no doubt, drawing Luton away in the FA Cup and, if he’s proves a success here, will    probably be linked to the Wales job in a few years.

[AlexLaw76]

He has a great opportunity seeing our first 6 or so league fixtures after the World Cup, + Lincoln and home

[Ralph Fastenbüttl]

Honestly, I think Nathan comes across really well in this press conference. Makes me feel better about things.

[Toadhall Saint]

35 minutes ago, Ralph Fastenbüttl said:

Honestly, I think Nathan comes across really well in this press conference. Makes me feel better about things.

With all due respect…..

seriously tho - thanks for posting.

[miserableoldgit]

Has there been any announcement about the couching set up?

[Saint-Reece]

6 minutes ago, miserableoldgit said:

Has there been any announcement about the couching set up?

Not sure about how the couches are set up... but for the coaches...

Listed on OS as:

- Nathan Jones: First Team Manager

- Ruben Selles: First Team Lead Coach

- Chris Cohen: First Team Coach

- Alan Sheehan: First Team Coach

- Carl Martin: First Team Coach

- Andrew Sparkes: GK Coach

[miserableoldgit]

12 minutes ago, Saint-Reece said:

Not sure about how the couches are set up... but for the coaches...

Listed on OS as:

- Nathan Jones: First Team Manager

- Ruben Selles: First Team Lead Coach

- Chris Cohen: First Team Coach

- Alan Sheehan: First Team Coach

- Carl Martin: First Team Coach

- Andrew Sparkes: GK Coach

Aha.....thank you. Glad that Selles is staying.

[miserableoldgit]

Not sure if I am the only one, but I saw a lot of RH in him during that presser.....sometimes it was almost like watching Ralph's younger Welsh brother....

[Fan The Flames]

18 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

Everyone has had their chance to vent their opinions, but now is the time for everyone to put those to one side and support the club.

The reactions to this are much the same as 'big name signings' who make everyone excited and relative unknowns get people feeling underwhelmed. I would say during my experience as a fan of Southampton it has been our 'unknowns' who have been our greater successes.

What is obvious from this appointment is that it's been strongly vetted, this isn't decided on a whim, and it seems as if we have been studying him for some time - and in Rasmus's case, many years. 

I remember similar opinions vented around Poch, there were calls for protests at his first game and all sorts. At the time we'd got rid of a popular manager and replaced him with someone who was unknown, spoke zero English and had to carry a translator around with him everywhere - on paper a worse situation than Janes. People proclaimed at the time we were down, relegated, no way back etc. The point I'm trying to make is that these sorts of appointments often work out better because there has been clear thought behind them, we've not just gone after the latest name or the first name manager on the out of job list (the easy choice), we've taken a risk and a gamble on someone we believe in and he has my full support.

Being on the negative point of view isn't not supporting the club. No one is booing at games, waving white hankies or climbing motorway gantries, they are just expressing their opinion on social media. It has little to no impact.

99% of people who don't think NJ is a good appointment will still be right behind the team/club....at the moment.

[igsey]

16 hours ago, macca155 said:

He mentioned the World Cup break in his interview. Seems to view it positively as an opportunity to imprint his style and vision on the squad. ABK and Salisu may need to be quick learners.

This does feel like a bonus. Other Prem teams have worked Saints out, a new improved (or different) version might present a few more opportunities for points.

Something to look forward to. The Brentford game is going to be an adrenaline boosted manic event.

 

Salisu will be back after the first couple of weeks I expect, ABK - who knows. Bednarek is (technically) our only other player going to the WC.

[Turkish]

I like him. Comes over well, seems to a decent fella, realistic and down to earth.

 

 

 

 

[JRM]

2 hours ago, Turkish said:

I like him. Comes over well, seems to a decent fella, realistic and down to earth.

 

 

 

 

Agree mate, I think he'll give us a bit more backbone as well, been too nice as a club for ages need to upset a few teams for once. 

[Mr X]

While I think it's a mistake and wonder what they saw in his CV that appealed so much that noone else in the top tier could see he gets my support for the rest of the season if nothing for that he's been hugely brave to take on such a tough job as turning us around... We look doomed i really hope he can instill some grit passion and work ethics and bring the best out of what we have however I think four or five losses and fans (not management) will be giving him a tough ride. We do need to sign that quality striker now anything less Is doing him a disservice, Ralph wasn't given a decent striker though he didn't get the most out of the other players either 

[StrangelyBrown]

While I'm sceptical about NJ being the right candidate I'm coming round to the idea that he might be a gamble worth taking; he does seem to have a plan and is being realistic about how he'll bring in changes.

If he doesn't get backed in January to get a decent striker it won't really matter.

[johnnyboy]

My thinking is that SR obviously see something in NJ that we don’t , don’t know how much their investment is worth at the moment possibly over £250 million , please don’t quote me on that figure ! But whatever it was there is no way that they  would jeopardise that investment , if they didn’t feel that NJ could keep us in this league , they must have done loads of due diligence on him to put faith in him to deliver our safety in the premier league , people with that sort of money don’t take unnecessary risks, so I’m hoping NJ is the real deal and can take us forward , however I am an eternal optimist! 

[Dusic]

His staff is interesting too in that both Cohen and Sheehan are mid 30s, so relatively young.

Both were captains and Cohen especially a very good player - spent a long time at Forest, 8 years or so. He then became Forest U23 manager and got them promoted in his first season before joining Luton as a first team coach.

Sheehan I think was a captain for Luton under Jones and then went back there as a coach at the start of 2022.

Alongside Selles and Carl Martin its a nice mix and on the younger side which hopefully helps the players relate to them.

[Daft Kerplunk]

2 hours ago, johnnyboy said:

My thinking is that SR obviously see something in NJ that we don’t , don’t know how much their investment is worth at the moment possibly over £250 million , please don’t quote me on that figure ! But whatever it was there is no way that they  would jeopardise that investment

In a time when Elon Must spent billions to buy Twitter and is the process of royally fucking it up, this idea that wealthy people make good decisions isn’t always true.

[CB Fry]

10 minutes ago, Daft Kerplunk said:

In a time when Elon Must spent billions to buy Twitter and is the process of royally fucking it up, this idea that wealthy people make good decisions isn’t always true.

Quite. And every Premier League club is run by rich people who don't want to "jeopardise their investment". No one wants to make bad decisions on purpose.

 

[johnnyboy]

I was with you until you mentioned Elon musk !!

[DT]

Will be a bit jealous if Bournemouth get Bielsa tbh for all of the good mood music so far with Jones

[bpsaint]

47 minutes ago, DT said:

Will be a bit jealous if Bournemouth get Bielsa tbh for all of the good mood music so far with Jones

Never understood the fascination so many people have with Bielsa. Pretty average managerial record, got Leeds up at the second go after bottling the first attempt then nearly got them relegated in the second season because he didn’t know how to set a team up to defend, and spent all his time on the sidelines sat on a bucket looking like a miserable twat.

[Dusic]

Some of Jones' best answers were to the questions on whether he really belongs in/is ready for a PL job. Its clear he believes he does and that he has earned the right and his words seemed genuine. A kind of self assurance that all good PL managers have.

Thats a start.

He also confirmed Selles is valued & staying and that Sheehan is specifically on set plays

Edited 11 November, 2022 by Dusic

[macca155]

8 hours ago, igsey said:

Salisu will be back after the first couple of weeks I expect, ABK - who knows. Bednarek is (technically) our only other player going to the WC.

I assumed Bendarek hadn't made the squad. Good grief he's started one game, Gerrards last, and was subbed at half time. Plus one 2nd half sub appearance in an earlier game.

How on earth does that justify a world cup place.

Way off topic sorry, but unbelievable.

No doubt he'll be returned to sender.

[HarvSFC]

45 minutes ago, bpsaint said:

Never understood the fascination so many people have with Bielsa. Pretty average managerial record, got Leeds up at the second go after bottling the first attempt then nearly got them relegated in the second season because he didn’t know how to set a team up to defend, and spent all his time on the sidelines sat on a bucket looking like a miserable twat.

Bielsa only knows how to play one way. Like Ragnick, the hipsters made out as though he was the second coming. However, once, his primary game plan wasn't working, he didn't know what to do. Hence the many thrashing Leeds received. He's basically a worse version of Hasenhuttl, but for some reason he actually does have a cult following.