What Is Happening To Our Country?

[Saint in Paradise]

 

Edited February 5 by Saint in Paradise

[Gloucester Saint]

Rupert Lowe 😂

Left Southampton Football Club at its lowest ebb for 70 years and people think he’s a credible politician.

[rallyboy]

1 hour ago, Saint in Paradise said:

 

No.

Next.

[sadoldgit]

18 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

No. The death penalty can be on the table where the crime is sufficiently egregious, where no remorse is shown, where there are no mitigating factors and where the totality of evidence is such that there is certainty that the crime was committed by the individual in question. 

All I'm saying is that under those circumstances I would not be opposed to the death penalty. 

You won’t oppose the death penalty under certain circumstances but you do oppose assisted dying under certain circumstances?

Ok. Probably just as well that you don’t get to make these calls.

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, sadoldgit said:

You won’t oppose the death penalty under certain circumstances but you do oppose assisted dying under certain circumstances?

Ok. Probably just as well that you don’t get to make these calls.

Meanwhile you don't oppose state assisted suicide but do oppose the death penalty because it's wrong for the state to take a life? 

[Turkish]

13 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Rupert Lowe 😂

Left Southampton Football Club at its lowest ebb for 70 years and people think he’s a credible politician.

on the plus side he's used to working with basket cases that are in terminal decline so be might be good at running the country

[sadoldgit]

35 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Meanwhile you don't oppose state assisted suicide but do oppose the death penalty because it's wrong for the state to take a life? 

Taking a life for revenge is ok but not out of mercy? My position is based on a person dying within 6 months anyway and making that choice for themselves. Yours is not.

Edited February 6 by sadoldgit

[Gloucester Saint]

2 hours ago, Turkish said:

on the plus side he's used to working with basket cases that are in terminal decline so be might be good at running the country

Treasury Red Box would be replaced by Guy Askham’s boardroom biscuit tin.

Edited February 6 by Gloucester Saint

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

Taking a life for revenge is ok but not out of mercy? My position is based on a person dying within 6 months anyway and making that choice for themselves. Yours is not.

Exhibit A

• Self-importance ✅
• Expecting praise for minimal work, even none at all
• Being preoccupied with success or money, with a need to be “great”
• Craving power
• Only wanting to be around high-status or high-achieving people
• Requiring lots of attention/praise from those around them ✅
• Entitled behavior ✅
• Expecting special treatment or for others to meet their high expectations  ✅
• Exploiting others
• Lack of empathy ✅
• Envy, or believing others are envious of them 
• Arrogance ✅

6 characteristics in that one post alone

[egg]

2 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Meanwhile you don't oppose state assisted suicide but do oppose the death penalty because it's wrong for the state to take a life? 

That's bizarre, even by your standards. Killing criminals isn't remotely comparable to terminally ill people choosing to commit suicide. 

[egg]

I was once told by a senior mental health practitioner that people who label others as narcissistic, usually are themselves. Make of that what you will. 

[hypochondriac]

24 minutes ago, egg said:

That's bizarre, even by your standards. Killing criminals isn't remotely comparable to terminally ill people choosing to commit suicide. 

Some criminals request the death penalty. Bizarre to use the logic that the state should not have the right to take a life and then support the state assisting in the taking of a life. 

[egg]

Just now, hypochondriac said:

Some criminals request the death penalty. Bizarre to use the logic that the state should not have the right to take a life and then support the state assisting in the taking of a life. 

Err, but you support the state taking lives of criminals, but oppose people being able to take their own when dying. In other words,  you're saying that taking your own life when dying isn't ok, but having your life taken by the state is ok. Right you are. 

[hypochondriac]

4 minutes ago, egg said:

Err, but you support the state taking lives of criminals, but oppose people being able to take their own when dying. In other words,  you're saying that taking your own life when dying isn't ok, but having your life taken by the state is ok. Right you are. 

I never said that. I oppose the state being involved in assisting the death of others due to the potential for abuse and coercion. I am not opposed to the death penalty in a handful of very specific circumstances. Those two positions are perfectly compatible with each other. 

Saying you oppose the death penalty because the state should not be able to take a life whilst also supporting the state taking a life are two incompatible opinions to hold. 

[whelk]

52 minutes ago, egg said:

I was once told by a senior mental health practitioner that people who label others as narcissistic, usually are themselves. Make of that what you will. 

Does anyone alive think that Trump isn’t a narcissist?

[egg]

Just now, whelk said:

Does anyone alive think that Trump isn’t a narcissist?

I've no idea what he is, but we know more about him to make a judgement than we do about strangers on a forum, and discussing him is more interesting than seeing the same old bollox being perpetually written about the same posters. 

[egg]

5 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I never said that. I oppose the state being involved in assisting the death of others due to the potential for abuse and coercion. I am not opposed to the death penalty in a handful of very specific circumstances. Those two positions are perfectly compatible with each other. 

Saying you oppose the death penalty because the state should not be able to take a life whilst also supporting the state taking a life are two incompatible opinions to hold. 

You've confirmed what I've posted - you oppose assisted suicide, but do not oppose capital punishment. Yet you cannot understand the logic of someone having the reverse view. You appear to have an issue with respecting people having differing opinions to you. That's the nub of it. 

[hypochondriac]

2 minutes ago, egg said:

You've confirmed what I've posted - you oppose assisted suicide, but do not oppose capital punishment. Yet you cannot understand the logic of someone having the reverse view. You appear to have an issue with respecting people having differing opinions to you. That's the nub of it. 

Laughable. Can you not read? It's perfectly possible for someone to oppose capital punishment and support assisted suicide for different reasons. You simply cannot believe that it is wrong for the state to take a life and then support the state taking a life. That's the part that is nonsensical, not the difference of opinion. 

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, egg said:

I was once told by a senior mental health practitioner that people who label others as narcissistic, usually are themselves. Make of that what you will. 

Yep, it's pretty obvious really, displays all the traits daily and keeps calling me it over and over again. 

[Miltonaggro]

28 minutes ago, whelk said:

Does anyone alive think that Trump isn’t a narcissist?

Joe Biden. He thinks Trump is his Uncle Bernie.

[Miltonaggro]

1 hour ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Treasury Red Box would be replaced by Guy Askham’s boardroom biscuit tin.

I heard that was an established minor public school euphemism...

[whelk]

1 hour ago, egg said:

I've no idea what he is

Really? Where have you been?

[egg]

2 hours ago, whelk said:

Really? Where have you been?

Ha. He's a dangerous idiot, but I'm not joining others in pretending I'm a psychologist or psychiatrist. 

[egg]

3 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Laughable. Can you not read? It's perfectly possible for someone to oppose capital punishment and support assisted suicide for different reasons. You simply cannot believe that it is wrong for the state to take a life and then support the state taking a life. That's the part that is nonsensical, not the difference of opinion. 

You're unbelievable. Only you would think that it's possible to believe what you believe, but not the reverse. If you can support capital punishment but not assisted suicide, for whatever reason, then someone else can support the opposite! 

[sadoldgit]

3 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Laughable. Can you not read? It's perfectly possible for someone to oppose capital punishment and support assisted suicide for different reasons. You simply cannot believe that it is wrong for the state to take a life and then support the state taking a life. That's the part that is nonsensical, not the difference of opinion. 

Just stop and think for a minute. If there is a DNR order then “ the state” will not try to save a life. It follows that someone who is soon to die, possibly in distress, would prefer to die in their own terms.

Can you understand that there is a huge difference between the state taking a life out of revenge and the state helping someone to end their own life on their own terms when their time is rapidly coming to an end? Would you be happier if they just took their own lives and caused extra distress to both themselves and their loved ones? The state isn’t making the decision. The individual is.

[hypochondriac]

2 hours ago, egg said:

You're unbelievable. Only you would think that it's possible to believe what you believe, but not the reverse. If you can support capital punishment but not assisted suicide, for whatever reason, then someone else can support the opposite! 

Of course they can. I haven't said otherwise. All I've said is that you can't oppose capital punishment because you are opposed to the state ending a life and then support a different measure that amounts to the state ending a life. The reason I do not oppose capital punishment in certain circumstances has nothing to do with my opinion on the state being involved with ending lives so it isn't the same thing. How is that difficult for you to grasp? 

[sadoldgit]

Crazy!

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/met-police-cannot-dismiss-officers-by-removing-their-vetting-clearance-high-court-rules-13307079

[badgerx16]

7 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

Crazy!

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/met-police-cannot-dismiss-officers-by-removing-their-vetting-clearance-high-court-rules-13307079

The ruling says that the officers cannot be removed from their positions due to unsubstantiated allegations. If they are given a hearing and the allegations are upheld, then their vetting can be revoked and they can be dismissed.

[Weston Super Saint]

1 hour ago, badgerx16 said:

The ruling says that the officers cannot be removed from their positions due to unsubstantiated allegations. If they are given a hearing and the allegations are upheld, then their vetting can be revoked and they can be dismissed.

So, definitely not crazy! then, more sort of sensible, logical and legal?

[hypochondriac]

17 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

The ruling says that the officers cannot be removed from their positions due to unsubstantiated allegations. If they are given a hearing and the allegations are upheld, then their vetting can be revoked and they can be dismissed.

Indeed. Why on earth should someone lose their job over a random accusation? Suspend them if necessary.