What Is Happening To Our Country?

[whelk]

12 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

How does that make it better? The problem in this country is primarily from Africa and predominantly the Pakistani Community where first cousin marriage is absurdly high. 

SOG has no original thought and can only think in tribes and associating with one that puts him on the side of the righteous. Desperate to brings Jews in to everything as it irks him so much that he’s been exposed as antisemitic

Edited 11 December, 2024 by whelk

[hypochondriac]

26 minutes ago, aintforever said:

Shagging your cousin is obviously fucking weird but is it really a big problem or are just certain posters desperately trying to find a stick to beat muslims with?

What's the argument against banning it? 

[whelk]

32 minutes ago, aintforever said:

Shagging your cousin is obviously fucking weird but is it really a big problem or are just certain posters desperately trying to find a stick to beat muslims with?

You know there is a bill going through Parliament? You clearly see it as a Muslim issue to bring that into it. The fact that the only MP voting against is a single issue MP desperate to bring foreign cultures into UK. Comical that people want to paint is as Islamaphobic.

lets bring a bill in to legally throw homosexuals off buildings to be respectful. 

[hypochondriac]

26 minutes ago, whelk said:

You know there is a bill going through Parliament? You clearly see it as a Muslim issue to bring that into it. The fact that the only MP voting against is a single issue MP desperate to bring foreign cultures into UK. Comical that people want to paint is as Islamaphobic.

lets bring a bill in to legally throw homosexuals off buildings to be respectful. 

Let's be honest, if it were the same issue but involving a majority from any other group, no one obfuscating or refusing to give their opinion on a ban would be doing so. It fries some people's brain. Aintforever has called the practice fucking weird - it's actually more than that given the much higher risk of congenital diseases - so then what's the argument for not banning it immediately?

Edited 11 December, 2024 by hypochondriac

[Lord Duckhunter]

I’d be disgusted and ashamed if I banged my cousin…She’s a right 9 Pinter….Id need 5 pints before even slapping her arse..

Edited 11 December, 2024 by Lord Duckhunter

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

Let's be honest, if it were the same issue but involving a majority from any other group, no one obfuscating or refusing to give their opinion on a ban would be doing so. It fries some people's brain. Aintforever has called the practice fucking weird - it's actually more than that given the much higher risk of congenital diseases - so then what's the argument for not banning it immediately?

We all know Islam is top of the woke league at the moment so even if people are vehemently opposed to something if it’s alright with Islam it’s alright with them. 

[hypochondriac]

18 minutes ago, Turkish said:

We all know Islam is top of the woke league at the moment so even if people are vehemently opposed to something if it’s alright with Islam it’s alright with them. 

I would have thought if we are unable to agree on much, we would at least be able to agree unanimously that fucking your cousin in 2024 is not something anyone should be doing and that a law prohibiting it will have an effect in reducing the practice which is unambiguously a positive thing. Instead some have said it's not a big issue, that Queen Victoria and Jews do it, that it's not illegal in some other countries so it's not that bad and that we should instead consider genetic testing to allow the cousin fucking to continue. 

Edited 11 December, 2024 by hypochondriac

[Turkish]

Just now, hypochondriac said:

I would have thought if we are unable to agree on much, we would at least be able to agree unanimously that fucking your cousin in 2024 is not something anyone should be doing and that a law prohibiting it will have an effect in reducing the practice which is unambiguously a positive thing. Instead some have said it's not a big issue, that Queen Victoria and Jews do it and that it's not illegal in some other countries so it's not that bad. 

Not the crime of the century, yes?

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

..... we should instead consider genetic testing to allow the cousin fucking to continue. 

As they do in the Gulf states.

 

[aintforever]

3 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

What's the argument against banning it? 

No idea, you seem to be on top of the issue, you tell me.

As I said, it’s fucking weird and shouldn’t need a law to stop it. I guess if two cousins fall in love and want to get married that’s up to them, making it illegal won’t stop them shagging. I don’t really have an opinion on the legalities of it, it’s up there with transsexuals using changing rooms on level of importance to me TBH.

[hypochondriac]

10 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

As they do in the Gulf states.

 

And? 

[hypochondriac]

9 minutes ago, aintforever said:

No idea, you seem to be on top of the issue, you tell me.

As I said, it’s fucking weird and shouldn’t need a law to stop it. I guess if two cousins fall in love and want to get married that’s up to them, making it illegal won’t stop them shagging. I don’t really have an opinion on the legalities of it, it’s up there with transsexuals using changing rooms on level of importance to me TBH.

Indeed it shouldn't need a law to stop it but it's happening at an increasing rate and is becoming more of a problem so a law would be a sensible thing yes? 

[badgerx16]

12 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

And? 

Nothing, it is just a statement of fact.

[hypochondriac]

10 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Nothing, it is just a statement of fact.

Right. Doesn't change anything though it should still be banned obviously. Any reasonable action you can take to stop people marrying their fist cousins is a positive surely? 

[ecuk268]

The situation in the rest of the World:

 

[StDunko]

What if the cousins are of the same sex, why should they be banned from getting married, if the only problem is with reproduction?

[aintforever]

1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

Indeed it shouldn't need a law to stop it but it's happening at an increasing rate and is becoming more of a problem so a law would be a sensible thing yes? 

I’m not sure how big of a problem it is, if two cousins decide they want to get married that’s up to them, doesn’t affect anyone else. Obviously two cousins having kids could cause problems but so could two old people having kids. Banning marriage won’t stop two cousins shagging if they want to so it would probably be pointless.

If you are really that worried about it, my advice would be don’t shag your cousin. It could make Christmas awkward.

[hypochondriac]

1 hour ago, aintforever said:

No idea, you seem to be on top of the issue, you tell me.

As I said, it’s fucking weird and shouldn’t need a law to stop it. I guess if two cousins fall in love and want to get married that’s up to them, making it illegal won’t stop them shagging. I don’t really have an opinion on the legalities of it, it’s up there with transsexuals using changing rooms on level of importance to me TBH.

Would you extend that thinking to siblings? Or mothers and sons? It's the same logic surely. If a brother and a sister fall in love and want to get married then it's up to them? 

[hypochondriac]

Just now, aintforever said:

I’m not sure how big of a problem it is, if two cousins decide they want to get married that’s up to them, doesn’t affect anyone else. Obviously two cousins having kids could cause problems but so could two old people having kids. Banning marriage won’t stop two cousins shagging if they want to so it would probably be pointless.

If you are really that worried about it, my advice would be don’t shag your cousin. It could make Christmas awkward.

I'm worried about the increasing negative impact it is having as more and more individuals in the UK are marrying their first cousins and the potential for problems that can cause. It's not about my happy marriage to someone who isn't a blood relative. 

[Gloucester Saint]

Didn’t know this had turned into the Pompey Thread.

[aintforever]

1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

I'm worried about the increasing negative impact it is having as more and more individuals in the UK are marrying their first cousins and the potential for problems that can cause. It's not about my happy marriage to someone who isn't a blood relative. 

How many people are negatively impacted by it?

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

Right. Doesn't change anything though it should still be banned obviously. Any reasonable action you can take to stop people marrying their fist cousins is a positive surely? 

Apparently not a widely held view.

1 hour ago, ecuk268 said:

The situation in the rest of the World:

 

 

[trousers]

1 hour ago, ecuk268 said:

The situation in the rest of the World:

 

Typical Antarcticans... Can't be arsed to complete a survey, yet again. 

[Gloucester Saint]

1 minute ago, trousers said:

Typical Antarcticans... Can't be arsed to complete a survey, yet again. 

Bit too cold to get amorous there.

[hypochondriac]

8 minutes ago, aintforever said:

How many people are negatively impacted by it?

Holden said that while the overall prevalence of first-cousin marriage was low in Western countries, certain diaspora communities, such as Irish travellers and British Pakistanis, had "extremely high rates" of 20-40%.

The MP for Basildon and Billericay cited research suggesting the child of first cousins carries around double the risk of inheriting a serious disorder compared to the child or unrelated people.

Holden also argued the practice threatened women's freedom.

"Women and girls living under a clan mentality often know the scientific risks of first-cousin marriage, but make considered social and cultural calculations," he told MPs.

So we could have up to 2 million British Pakistanis in the UK. So that's potentially children from as high as a million couples by some estimates. Even half that number is a huge amount of people. Surely we should be seeking to make this practice socially unacceptable and doing whatever we can reasonably do to lower the risks of birth defects as well as the added strain on the health service. 

[hypochondriac]

8 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Apparently not a widely held view.

 

Again, why does that matter? Lots of things have not been widely held views historically but it doesn't make something less wrong. It's not something we have had to confront in the past because the numbers engaging in the practice have been so tiny. That is now no longer the case. 

[aintforever]

17 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Holden said that while the overall prevalence of first-cousin marriage was low in Western countries, certain diaspora communities, such as Irish travellers and British Pakistanis, had "extremely high rates" of 20-40%.

The MP for Basildon and Billericay cited research suggesting the child of first cousins carries around double the risk of inheriting a serious disorder compared to the child or unrelated people.

Holden also argued the practice threatened women's freedom.

"Women and girls living under a clan mentality often know the scientific risks of first-cousin marriage, but make considered social and cultural calculations," he told MPs.

So we could have up to 2 million British Pakistanis in the UK. So that's potentially children from as high as a million couples by some estimates. Even half that number is a huge amount of people. Surely we should be seeking to make this practice socially unacceptable and doing whatever we can reasonably do to lower the risks of birth defects as well as the added strain on the health service. 

That doesn’t answer the question, how many married cousins have negative consequences?

[hypochondriac]

11 minutes ago, aintforever said:

That doesn’t answer the question, how many married cousins have negative consequences?

All of them do because they perpetuate a culture where it is acceptable. Why do we ban marriages between siblings or between a parent and a child? 

Given that cousin sex is a growing problem in the UK and that someone has proposed a law which will decrease the level of birth defects and disabled children born, is this something you would support in principle, even if you don't think it's prevelant enough to worry about? 

Edited 11 December, 2024 by hypochondriac

[aintforever]

8 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

All of them do because they perpetuate a culture where it is acceptable. Why do we ban marriages between siblings or between a parent and a child? 

Given that cousin sex is a growing problem in the UK and that someone has proposed a law which will decrease the level of birth defects and disabled children born, is this something you would support in principle, even if you don't think it's prevelant enough to worry about? 

Of course anyone would want to decrease the amount of birth defects and disabled children but making it illegal to marry won't stop people shagging or getting married abroad. Fact is, even though it's weird for us in many cultures it seems to be relatively normal, just like it's been normal in the Royal family or Portsmouth.

I just find it interesting that you see it as such a massive problem yet don't have a clue how many kids were born with defects last year due to cousins getting married. How can you possibly gauge the scale of the problem without knowing? Being old and having children also increases the risks of certain problems, maybe we should make old people reproducing illegal as well?

Edited 12 December, 2024 by aintforever

[sadoldgit]

16 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

How does that make it better? The problem in this country is primarily from Africa and predominantly the Pakistani Community where first cousin marriage is absurdly high. 

You have a problem with people doing what they want even when it doesn’t impact others or you. We saw it with assisted dying and now with the legal practice of first cousins marrying. I think you need to ask yourself why it upsets you so much that people should live their lives, or end their lives, as they wish. You’re not a happy little soul are you? You come across like a male version of Kemi Badenoch.

As far as I know, none of the people I know who have had children born with deformities or congenital health issues were of parents who were related. Should we stop all those from reproducing if there is the slightest chance of birth defects? Sounds a bit Brave New World to me.

Edited 12 December, 2024 by sadoldgit

[Turkish]

3 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

You have a problem with people doing what they want even when it doesn’t impact others or you. We saw it with assisted dying and now with the legal practice of first cousins marrying. I think you need to ask yourself why it upsets you so much that people should live their lives, or end their lives, as they wish. You’re not a happy little soul are you? You come across like a male version of Kemi Badenoch.

The serial whinger who even calls himself sad old git has the neck to accuse others of not being happy

Edited 12 December, 2024 by Turkish

[Turkish]

The study's lead author Dr Eamonn Sheridan, from the University of Leeds, said: "It is important to note that the vast majority of babies born to couples who are blood relatives are absolutely fine, and whilst consanguineous marriage increases the risk of birth defect from 3% to 6%, the absolute risk is still small."

So it's 6% according to a study they did in Bradford a while back

1b people are married to blood relatives globally apparently. 

Very weird IMO

[hypochondriac]

8 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

You have a problem with people doing what they want even when it doesn’t impact others or you. We saw it with assisted dying and now with the legal practice of first cousins marrying. I think you need to ask yourself why it upsets you so much that people should live their lives, or end their lives, as they wish. You’re not a happy little soul are you? You come across like a male version of Kemi Badenoch.

As far as I know, none of the people I know who have had children born with deformities or congenital health issues were of parents who were related. Should we stop all those from reproducing if there is the slightest chance of birth defects? Sounds a bit Brave New World to me.

Hi soggy great to hear from you. Are you supportive of siblings shagging? If not why not? 

[Whitey Grandad]

Inbreeding is what did for the Egyptian pharaohs. They thought that they were keeping their bloodline pure.

[Turkish]

on another note im up to 14 lols and 1 like for my post on the Spurs match thread, not a PB but a decent effort that. Can only imagine the bitterness SOG must feel at my popularity on here.

[AlexLaw76]

1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

Hi soggy great to hear from you. Are you supportive of siblings shagging? If not why not? 

I guess if a Jew does it, it is bad.

A Muslim does it, fair game

[sadoldgit]

1 hour ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Inbreeding is what did for the Egyptian pharaohs. They thought that they were keeping their bloodline pure.

The whole human race is inbred Whitey. Granted, some more than others.

[sadoldgit]

59 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

I guess if a Jew does it, it is bad.

A Muslim does it, fair game

They both do it and it is legal here so I expect some white Anglo-Saxons do it too. So what is your issue? 

[sadoldgit]

2 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Hi soggy great to hear from you. Are you supportive of siblings shagging? If not why not? 

But it’s not siblings it it? As I’m sure even you know, a sibling is a brother or sister and the debate isn’t about that. Personally I don’t have a view either way but, from years of experience, anything that you oppose is probably worthy of support.

Edited 12 December, 2024 by sadoldgit

[Whitey Grandad]

1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

The whole human race is inbred Whitey. Granted, some more than others.

It's a question of degree.

[hypochondriac]

2 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

But it’s not siblings it it? As I’m sure even you know, a sibling is a brother or sister and the debate isn’t about that. Personally I don’t have a view either way but, from years of experience, anything that you oppose is probably worthy of support.

You didn't answer the question. Do you support sibling sex? If not why not? 

Edited 12 December, 2024 by hypochondriac

[hypochondriac]

2 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

But it’s not siblings it it? As I’m sure even you know, a sibling is a brother or sister and the debate isn’t about that. Personally I don’t have a view either way but, from years of experience, anything that you oppose is probably worthy of support.

That makes perfect sense because I love black people and Jews. 

[Redbul]

5 hours ago, Turkish said:

on another note im up to 14 lols and 1 like for my post on the Spurs match thread, not a PB but a decent effort that. Can only imagine the bitterness SOG must feel at my popularity on here.

Now I'm going to have to go and find it ffs....!!

[Turkish]

5 minutes ago, Redbul said:

Now I'm going to have to go and find it ffs....!!

16 now

[sadoldgit]

6 hours ago, Turkish said:

on another note im up to 14 lols and 1 like for my post on the Spurs match thread, not a PB but a decent effort that. Can only imagine the bitterness SOG must feel at my popularity on here.

Why should I be bitter? It just proves yet again that you are a narcissist. You continue to do my job for me. 🤗

Millions of people voted for Trump. It doesn’t make him any less of a lying, narcissistic scumbag.

Edited 12 December, 2024 by sadoldgit

[hypochondriac]

21 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Why should I be bitter? It just proves yet again that you are a narcissist. You continue to do my job for me. 🤗

Millions of people voted for Trump. It doesn’t make him any less of a lying, narcissistic scumbag.

Whereas absutely no one is a fan of anything you say and you're also a lying narcissistic scumbag. Must sting. 

[Turkish]

23 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Why should I be bitter? It just proves yet again that you are a narcissist. You continue to do my job for me. 🤗

Millions of people voted for Trump. It doesn’t make him any less of a lying, narcissistic scumbag.

How does you being a bitter, nasty, snivelling little coward prove anything about me? 🤡

PS 17 now, got to hurt. More lols in one post than you've got in your lifetime 😎

Edited 12 December, 2024 by Turkish

[Holmes_and_Watson]

3 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

You didn't answer the question. Do you support sibling sex? If not why not? 

If he doesn't have a view, I guess the Guardian hasn't had an article on it. Otherwise, we'd have had a post with a link and "interesting" above it.

[hypochondriac]

3 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

If he doesn't have a view, I guess the Guardian hasn't had an article on it. Otherwise, we'd have had a post with a link and "interesting" above it.

Ironic that he spent all of last week digging out nutty nick for refusing to answer his questions... 

[Turkish]

9 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Ironic that he spent all of last week digging out nutty nick for refusing to answer his questions... 

He also asked for evidence of his misogyny, a quote from one his posts was provided and he's ignored it pretending it doesn't exist in true narcissist style.