Gloucester Saint Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 (edited) 6 minutes ago, sadoldgit said: “Counter terrorism police have not declared it as a terrorist incident.” You might be getting ahead of yourself. Again. Perhaps he is a proper terrorist. Perhaps he is a psycho fantasist. We shall find out in due course. It doesn’t excuse what happened on the streets afterwards. The possession of ricin is a very serious issue, what he actually did was horrific enough and heartbreaking, what he could’ve done doesn’t bear thinking about. Cannot be allowed to ever be released back into society IMHO at any age. His motive is still unclear though, you are right - good article here about the bad/mad dilemma for the system https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/17/terror-or-mental-illness-dividing-britains-judges/ Edited October 29 by Gloucester Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 (edited) Does posession of a PDF document apparently originating with Al Quaeeda automatically make you an Islamic terrorist ? Does having a copy of Das Kapital make you a marxist, or a copy of Mein Kampf make you a Nazi ? No right minded person would have that document, but projection and supposition are dangerous, as we saw in the summer. Edited October 29 by badgerx16 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 47 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: Does posession of a PDF document apparently originating with Al Quaeeda automatically make you an Islamic terrorist ? Does having a copy of Das Kapital make you a marxist, or a copy of Mein Kampf make you a Nazi ? No right minded person would have that document, but projection and supposition are dangerous, as we saw in the summer. It could have been fake news but I swear someone who knew him mentioned that he had converted to Islam prior to the attacks. I'd say downloading a pdf terrorist document on its own doesn't make you a jihadi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloucester Saint Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 4 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: I'd say downloading a pdf terrorist document on its own doesn't make you a jihadi. Good job really as with amount of teenagers I knew in the pre-internet days who had copies of the Anarchists Cookbook there’d be a lot of anarchists around! That’d be considered prehistoric these days. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 27 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said: Good job really as with amount of teenagers I knew in the pre-internet days who had copies of the Anarchists Cookbook there’d be a lot of anarchists around! That’d be considered prehistoric these days. Although if someone had recently bought the anarchists cookbook and then killed a bunch of people, you would consider it at least plausible that there was a connection between the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 5 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: Although if someone had recently bought the anarchists cookbook and then killed a bunch of people, you would consider it at least plausible that there was a connection between the two. Of course there’s a connection, he is a sick fuck who wanted to kill people. What his motivation is appears to be unclear at the moment though, he could well be a radical Islamist or maybe had some other issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 (edited) 14 minutes ago, aintforever said: Of course there’s a connection, he is a sick fuck who wanted to kill people. What his motivation is appears to be unclear at the moment though, he could well be a radical Islamist or maybe had some other issues. If it is true that eyewitnesses said he mentioned Allah and that he'd recently converted-again that could be bollocks invented on social media then that would be more than enough with the other evidence to convince me. It's not like it would be a particularly outlandish thing to suggest given the amount of radical Islamist we've had in this country. Whatever the motive, I hope it's shared quickly so the process can begin to send him to jail for the rest of his natural life and the victims left behind in this case can start to heal. Hopefully if it is radical Islam once again, people will actually look back in anger this time and something more substantial will be done to reduce the risks of this happening again. Edited October 29 by hypochondriac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 https://x.com/starknakedbrief/status/1851442988683018263?s=46 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 2 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said: https://x.com/starknakedbrief/status/1851442988683018263?s=46 The Welsh must be stopped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted November 15 Share Posted November 15 What a depressingly sad story. Completely innocent lads and these pieces of shit didnt even have brains to realise. Should name these cunts whatever their age https://news.sky.com/story/five-people-guilty-in-case-of-mistaken-identity-double-murder-of-teenage-boys-13253307 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted November 15 Share Posted November 15 11 minutes ago, whelk said: What a depressingly sad story. Completely innocent lads and these pieces of shit didnt even have brains to realise. Should name these cunts whatever their age https://news.sky.com/story/five-people-guilty-in-case-of-mistaken-identity-double-murder-of-teenage-boys-13253307 To make it worse the attackers were driven round the estate by a 45 year old bloke who then tried to blame the kids saying he had no idea they had knives on them. Horrible case which just seen on the news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted November 15 Share Posted November 15 2 hours ago, Turkish said: To make it worse the attackers were driven round the estate by a 45 year old bloke who then tried to blame the kids saying he had no idea they had knives on them. Horrible case which just seen on the news Yeah shocking. Why the hell they feel the need to be so brutal. So fucking stupid as will always be caught and must know they are going to be committing murder Thrown their lives away and devastated the poor families of those kids. What happened to just fighting rather than taking a machete FFS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloucester Saint Posted November 15 Share Posted November 15 4 hours ago, whelk said: What a depressingly sad story. Completely innocent lads and these pieces of shit didnt even have brains to realise. Should name these cunts whatever their age https://news.sky.com/story/five-people-guilty-in-case-of-mistaken-identity-double-murder-of-teenage-boys-13253307 There was an extended piece on BBC Points West tonight about the trial and verdict. Included a segment with the mothers, one of whom lost their middle aged husband to COVID in early 2021 as well. Two lads in the wrong place at the wrong time, dreadful and inexcusable violence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloucester Saint Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 (edited) Far more regulation is needed around national builders - yet another example amongst hundreds https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c624528pjr7o We bought a new build where we lived before, had a better experience as went with a regional builder and close to their HQ so some pride of place, unlike the nationals. Fair bit of snagging still and some sloping shoulders about the plumbing but very good compared to now. No excuse for many of the national builders (less so Redrow these days and Bloor from my experience amongst the bigger nationals, not thinking of Cala who are smaller) to throw up rubbish though, not for what they are selling their properties for. I’d give the NHBC a lot more teeth including right of veto over executive bonuses on boards until quality and standards massively increase to mutually agreed targets and backed up by customer research. Edited November 16 by Gloucester Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 This, still https://x.com/suffragent_/status/1857741201467666563?s=46 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted November 17 Share Posted November 17 1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said: This, still https://x.com/suffragent_/status/1857741201467666563?s=46 "Asylum seekers do not receive phones as part of their standard support package from the Home Office, though a number of charities do provide donated phones to new arrivals to make it easier for them to contact solicitors and monitor the progress of their claims. " https://fullfact.org/online/asylum-seeker-free-iphone/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingpong Posted November 17 Share Posted November 17 Labour now has now beaten the record for biggest return flights 3 times since coming into power, and have sent over 25 flights since July. 10,000 deportations so far, an increase of 20% on 2023. Also a 15% increase in foreign offenders being deported compared to 2023. And none of them had to be paid 150k as a sweetener. Considering that under 100 claims per month were being reviewed at the end of the tories reign, those are pretty good numbers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted November 17 Share Posted November 17 37 minutes ago, pingpong said: Labour now has now beaten the record for biggest return flights 3 times since coming into power, and have sent over 25 flights since July. 10,000 deportations so far, an increase of 20% on 2023. Also a 15% increase in foreign offenders being deported compared to 2023. And none of them had to be paid 150k as a sweetener. Considering that under 100 claims per month were being reviewed at the end of the tories reign, those are pretty good numbers. Much easier to do when you don't have an army of human rights lawyers ideologically opposed to you tying you up in legal knots. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted November 17 Share Posted November 17 Down with human rights, and the law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted November 17 Share Posted November 17 9 minutes ago, The Kraken said: Down with human rights, and the law. Weirdly some people seem to care more about human rights and the law when one party is in power. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted November 17 Share Posted November 17 4 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: Weirdly some people seem to care more about human rights and the law when one party is in power. Do they indeed? What a conundrum for you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted November 17 Share Posted November 17 6 minutes ago, The Kraken said: Do they indeed? What a conundrum for you. Nothing to do with me. I'd just question the principles of people who essentially say "it's alright when they do it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted November 17 Share Posted November 17 6 hours ago, hypochondriac said: Much easier to do when you don't have an army of human rights lawyers ideologically opposed to you tying you up in legal knots. Which lawyers have stopped taking on cases then? Genuine question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted November 17 Share Posted November 17 (edited) 7 hours ago, pingpong said: Labour now has now beaten the record for biggest return flights 3 times since coming into power, and have sent over 25 flights since July. 10,000 deportations so far, an increase of 20% on 2023. Also a 15% increase in foreign offenders being deported compared to 2023. And none of them had to be paid 150k as a sweetener. Considering that under 100 claims per month were being reviewed at the end of the tories reign, those are pretty good numbers. The issue was always, always, lack of resource allocated to border control / immigration processing. Anyone going beyond the bullshit reporting and hysteria knew that. The Conservatives tried to make it a wedge issue for easy votes from racists, plus it gave them the simplest argument on why all the public services had gone to shit on their watch - blame the immigrants. Rwanda was a stunt policy designed to be stopped by legal challenge so that they never had to do that either. Look at the evil establishment lawyers/judges stopping us. Honest we tried we did - blame the immigrants and also blame the lefty lawyers. It was a totem project that was still avoidance of the real issue - processing the fucking claims. Cooper comes in and oh look we start processing claims which results in deportations. It's called trying to run an actual government rather than a glorified press office / opinion column. Edited November 17 by CB Fry 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted November 17 Share Posted November 17 Rupert Lowe making a right tit of himself; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted November 17 Share Posted November 17 1 hour ago, badgerx16 said: Rupert Lowe making a right tit of himself; Is he wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted November 17 Share Posted November 17 1 minute ago, AlexLaw76 said: Is he wrong? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted November 17 Share Posted November 17 1 minute ago, badgerx16 said: Yes. why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted November 17 Share Posted November 17 (edited) 2 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: why? As I can think of at least 3 reasons it is too many for you to mentally cope with. Edited November 17 by badgerx16 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted November 17 Share Posted November 17 (edited) Just now, badgerx16 said: As I can think of at least 3 reasons it is too many for you to mentslly cope with. go on...(check your spelling) Not sure why you are getting personal. I have not forgotten your disgusting racist comment (not sure anyone has) Edited November 17 by AlexLaw76 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted November 17 Share Posted November 17 2 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: go on...(check your spelling) Not sure why you are getting personal. I have not forgotten your disgusting racist comment (not sure anyone has) If you want to go back to that pathetic schoolyard trolling to try to score points you are demonstrating what a complete fucktard you truly are. How's that for getting personal ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted November 17 Share Posted November 17 Just now, badgerx16 said: If you want to go back to that pathetic schoolyard trolling to try to score points you are demonstrating what a complete fucktard you truly are. How's that for getting personal ? I don't....but you, however... Quote As I can think of at least 3 reasons it is too many for you to mentally cope with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted November 17 Share Posted November 17 5 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: I don't....but you, however... 4 successive posts without having to quote from X, is that a record ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted November 17 Share Posted November 17 3 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: 4 successive posts without having to quote from X, is that a record ? Might be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted November 17 Share Posted November 17 28 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: 4 successive posts without having to quote from X, is that a record ? We should highlight the page! X marks the spot...d'oh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloucester Saint Posted November 17 Share Posted November 17 1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said: Is he wrong? Yes, he is, counterproductive and a distraction issue. He’s about as accurate about that as he was at football. Probably trying to get Stuart Gray or Steve Wigley a seat. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloucester Saint Posted November 17 Share Posted November 17 19 hours ago, hypochondriac said: Much easier to do when you don't have an army of human rights lawyers ideologically opposed to you tying you up in legal knots. They’re just following logic that a better resourced border control (left wretchedly under-resourced after Brexit) and a quicker processing system will result in more and quicker deportations. No need for eye watering expensive fig leafs in Rwanda or elsewhere. They’ve also worked well with France, Netherlands and Germany to arrest and hobble some of the biggest smugglers. It‘ll be an ongoing and expensive battle with the surge in smartphones in Africa and beyond but they’ve made more progress than I thought they would. Reform are more of a danger on this issue to them than the Tories, busted flush on this issue. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloucester Saint Posted November 17 Share Posted November 17 (edited) Business to business fraud isn’t taken seriously enough, yet another example https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5yg3y0qgexo It is fraudulent to withhold key segments on any contract but the enforcement is more lax B2B. Needs changing and much larger fines/HMRC fast-track asset confiscation orders to root out crooked firms. Edited November 17 by Gloucester Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted November 19 Share Posted November 19 On 15/11/2024 at 18:41, Turkish said: To make it worse the attackers were driven round the estate by a 45 year old bloke who then tried to blame the kids saying he had no idea they had knives on them. Horrible case which just seen on the news Sure he thinks it was worth the 38 year sentence he just received Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted November 19 Author Share Posted November 19 We are all in this together, apart from those who want to avoid paying taxes. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c8rl4pl3n75t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted November 19 Share Posted November 19 1 hour ago, sadoldgit said: We are all in this together, apart from those who want to avoid paying taxes. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c8rl4pl3n75t You're such an odious, bitter little toad. I feel sorry for you. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted November 19 Share Posted November 19 5 hours ago, sadoldgit said: We are all in this together, apart from those who want to avoid paying taxes. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c8rl4pl3n75t Any Government trying to increase the tax revenue is going to find someone who complains that their share has been increased unfairly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 I'm not convinced that landowners with estates valued at more than £3m have the public sympathy that they think. And using Clarkson as a figurehead is a massive blunder. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 (edited) 32 minutes ago, rallyboy said: I'm not convinced that landowners with estates valued at more than £3m have the public sympathy that they think. And using Clarkson as a figurehead is a massive blunder. Seems there were many Reform types who just want to rail against the government citing all manner of conspiracies and happy to believe and regurgitate Starmer hates Farmers lines. Sad how going like the US in many low information people who just want to take a side. Obviously I exclude the farmers who do see themselves as being shafted. Would be nice to see Farage championing the cause of carers getting fucked by the rigid welfare system. Edited November 20 by whelk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted December 6 Author Share Posted December 6 12 year old girl and two 15 year old charge with Debenhams fire. 12 years old! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c983ez1dd3vo.amp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloucester Saint Posted December 6 Share Posted December 6 12 minutes ago, sadoldgit said: 12 year old girl and two 15 year old charge with Debenhams fire. 12 years old! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c983ez1dd3vo.amp Not a recent thing, kids from my middle school allegedly torched a derelict house in the 1980s. That group came from messed up households where fags, alcohol and fighting were more important than structure and education, technical or intellectual. They weren’t poor either, just parents not caring, not turning up to school open evenings etc. Most of our parents on here gave a toss. Sadly, some don’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted December 6 Share Posted December 6 22 minutes ago, sadoldgit said: 12 year old girl and two 15 year old charge with Debenhams fire. 12 years old! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c983ez1dd3vo.amp Hardly crime of the century 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAlehouseBrawlers Posted December 6 Share Posted December 6 Interesting to see that Muhammad is now the most popular boys name in England and Wales (and this also doesn't include variations of the name like Mohammed and Mohammad which rate high but counted separately). I'd say what's happening to our country is that it's rapidly changing. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly4g2v0ej6o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingpong Posted December 6 Share Posted December 6 2 hours ago, TheAlehouseBrawlers said: Interesting to see that Muhammad is now the most popular boys name in England and Wales (and this also doesn't include variations of the name like Mohammed and Mohammad which rate high but counted separately). I'd say what's happening to our country is that it's rapidly changing. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly4g2v0ej6o There is a lot less variation of names in some cultures or religions, so it's skewing the data a bit. As an aside, the rest of those boys names in the top 10 are pretty wankerish- what going on there? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted December 6 Share Posted December 6 6 minutes ago, pingpong said: There is a lot less variation of names in some cultures or religions, so it's skewing the data a bit. Skewing it a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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