What Is Happening To Our Country?

[iansums]

1 minute ago, badgerx16 said:

How many more than the 2.5 Million in the last 2 years, ( Goverrment figures ), do you think there will be ?

2.6 million

[sadoldgit]

5 hours ago, LoyalSaintSO50 said:

Stop talking absolute bollox and behave yourself 

It wasn’t “absolute bollocks” and if you have listened to the news subsequently you will have heard that there were some minor incidents in Bristol. Given the events of the last week, why are you even trying to pretend that it was “absolute bollocks.” Far worse things have happened.

 

[hypochondriac]

3 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

It wasn’t “absolute bollocks” and if you have listened to the news subsequently you will have heard that there were some minor incidents in Bristol. Given the events of the last week, why are you even trying to pretend that it was “absolute bollocks.” Far worse things have happened.

 

Because you said it soggy and your ever growing cast of characters you know with a handy anecdote or with a view to share that coincidentally matches yours could rival eastenders. 

Edited August 8 by hypochondriac

[Turkish]

15 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

It wasn’t “absolute bollocks” and if you have listened to the news subsequently you will have heard that there were some minor incidents in Bristol. Given the events of the last week, why are you even trying to pretend that it was “absolute bollocks.” Far worse things have happened.

 

You’ve had an absolute disaster the last couple of days 

Caught out lying twice 

 two friends both of which were quickly exposed as being imaginary people 

A fake racist attack in a place where no right wing protests happened 

Called out by multiple people for talking shit, not reading threads properly and peddling your own blinkered agenda

it was amusing how you disappeared off this thread last night once your fairytale got exposed 

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[east-stand-nic]

20 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

Instead of posting inane drivel why don’t you engage in grown up stuff. So you believe that we have two tier policing and I assume that you believe it favours black/brown/johnnyforeigner people?

How does that work exactly when you have a disproportionate amount of black/brown people affected by stop and search and a disproportionate amount of black/brown people dying in police custody? If you listen to black/brown people they believe that there it a two tier system stacked against them. So how is it that you believe that it works the other way?

 

More double standards and hypocrisy. How many times have you posted personal attacks, inane drivel and childish nonsense, not to mention outright lies about documentaries that never existed etc. Seriously, why don't you just face it. The number of people who have seen through you is growing, as it did on TUI, you know, the forum where you ordered the admin to remove others who disagreed with you?

[The Kraken]

Name change to fullofshit

[sadoldgit]

11 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Because you said it soggy and your ever growing cast of characters you know with a handy anecdote or with a view to share that coincidentally matches yours could rival eastenders. 

A cursory look at the news this morning shows that a man was arrested for throwing a brick and a bottle at police and you think that it is unlikely that someone had her windscreen smashed? Ok.

And as I said, I don’t know this person so why say that I do? 

There are countless occasions when people mention things that are relative to the narrative of the thread. Do you have a problem with that.

You say that I mention things that support my position.

The first thing that I mentioned yesterday was a conversation I had with someone with experience of the riots in NI talking about his view of the policing of these riots. Not my view. His view. You say there is an ever growing cast of characters. I have mentioned this guy before and the other character is twice removed, so hardly “ever growing” is it.

The second thing I mentioned was that the friend of a work colleague of my wife, who is of Asian origin, had had her car windscreen smashed. Given the amount of hatred shown towards people of a different colour skin this last week and the violence we have witnessed, why would I bother making something up that pales into insignificance against everything else in order to support a view? We all know what is going on, apart from those who support attacks on Muslims, and why. 

You are a sad little man who gets called out time and again for your unpleasant views and you are so desperate to score points that you even resort to posting laughing emojis on threads about the death of children.

Like most people I have friends and acquaintances and, like most people, we discuss the issues of the day. Like most people we relay anything pertinent to the subject of the conversation to the other people. It is common practice and happens frequently in here too.

You have done it yourself but of course that doesn’t count does it? You have mentioned your family members when talking about Muslims. You have mentioned your female work colleagues when talking about women’s pay levels and their attitude towards it. You have mentioned all number of things that involve other people you know that are relevant to the narrative at the time. So what makes your position any different than mine?

If I did it every day I would agree that you had a point, but over the many years we have been posting here I doubt very much if I have done it much more than you.

In my experience, those who are most likely to lie accuse others of lying because that is the behaviour they expect. I don’t accuse others of lying when they talk of conversations with other people.

If I was going to go to the trouble of making things up I would make them far more interesting.

I relate the opinion of a man who served in NI in The Troubles about the way the police have handled the riots so far and also that someone had had their windscreen smashed in the early evening in Bristol where a riot was expected. I mentioned that she had brown skin as, given the circumstances, it might well have been relevant. Neither of these things do anything to advance my view or opinion. They are relative to the narrative of the thread. Nothing more, nothing less.

And to save you the trouble, this one’s for you

😂

 

[sadoldgit]

1 hour ago, east-stand-nic said:

More double standards and hypocrisy. How many times have you posted personal attacks, inane drivel and childish nonsense, not to mention outright lies about documentaries that never existed etc. Seriously, why don't you just face it. The number of people who have seen through you is growing, as it did on TUI, you know, the forum where you ordered the admin to remove others who disagreed with you?

I was talking to someone else, but as you have butted in.

It is a football forum. Personal attacks, inane drivel and childish nonsense are commonplace.

What is this documentary that doesn’t exist?

See through me?  There is nothing to see through mate. My opinions are obvious and transparent. You are the one who loves a conspiracy theory and it looks like you are trying to cook up another one now.

Where is you evidence that I asked the admin on TUI to remove others that didn’t agree with me? Nick banned a couple of people for his own reasons but I never asked him to ban anybody. All I expect from admin is that they do their jobs and keep a lid on abusive behaviour, not unreasonable is it? I was certainly abused by some there with extreme views, if you were there I expect you were one of them.

Edited August 8 by sadoldgit
Typos

[sadoldgit]

Apparently a small number of anti-immigrant demonstrators targeted an office in Southampton that deals with the migration of British people to the US, Australia etc.

[east-stand-nic]

1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

I was talking to someone else, but as you have butted in.

It is a football forum. Personal attacks, inane drivel and childish nonsense are commonplace.

What is this documentary that doesn’t exist?

See through me?  There is nothing to see through mate. My opinions are obvious and transparent. You are the one who loves a conspiracy theory and it looks like you are trying to cook up another one now.

Where is you evidence that I asked the admin on TUI to remove others that didn’t agree with me? Nick banned a couple of people for his own reasons but I never asked him to ban anybody. All I expect from admin is that they do their jobs and keep a lid on abusive behaviour, not unreasonable is it? I was certainly abused by some there with extreme views, if you were there I expect you were one of them.

So why did you feel the need to have a pop about him posting inane drivel if you accept it is common place and you are just as guilt?

Up, Tied, knots, in.

[sadoldgit]

Farage from 2016

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/entry/nigel-farage-predicts-violence-the-next-step-if-immigration-is-not-controlled_uk_573b8f77e4b0328a838b8c9c/

[sadoldgit]

13 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

So why did you feel the need to have a pop about him posting inane drivel if you accept it is common place and you are just as guilt?

Up, Tied, knots, in.

I was talking to him, not you, and he has a history of posting drivel rather than just doing so occasionally. 
Instead of going to the aid of a likeminded person who is quite capable of defending himself, why don’t you respond to my questions? Maybe because you are just making things up? No surprise from a conspiracy theorist I guess.

I do remember a conspiracy theorist from TUI, but it can’t have been you as, apart from his bonkers theories, he seemed like a pleasant guy. So which one are you?

[Wade Garrett]

3 hours ago, iansums said:

Small protest in Bournemouth, about 150 outside Roundhouse hotel where immigrants are housed. Also a counter-protest on the other side of the road. No arrests and people dispersed about 11pm. Looks like the very harsh sentences handed out this week have done the trick, even the morons realise it simply not worth it. However, the problem is not going away, the new Labour government means even more immigrants coming in, we have no idea what people are coming into our country. IMO, this will all kick off again, sadly.

Interested to know why the new Labour Government means more immigrants.

I didn’t notice it in their manifesto, although I do remember David Cameron promising to reduce net immigration to tens of thousands in 2010.

[iansums]

28 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Farage from 2016

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/entry/nigel-farage-predicts-violence-the-next-step-if-immigration-is-not-controlled_uk_573b8f77e4b0328a838b8c9c/

He was right, sadly.

[Guided Missile]

9 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

Interested to know why the new Labour Government means more immigrants.

I didn’t notice it in their manifesto, although I do remember David Cameron promising to reduce net immigration to tens of thousands in 2010.

It's easy to understand why Labour want more immigrants. It was explained to me by a local Lib Dem councillor. She told me that she was really a life-long Tory, but the Lib Dems had provided her with a council house, when she got divorced and she feels that she owes them her loyalty. There's only two things politicians crave. Power and/or money. You just have to see where Tony Blair and his Socialist tribe have ended up. Most Labour politicians could not create money through capitalism so have to steal it from those that can or even from pensioners. I think some, like Corbyn, really do believe in the existence of a money tree.

Socialism fails, when other peoples money runs out. 

[iansums]

19 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

Interested to know why the new Labour Government means more immigrants.

I didn’t notice it in their manifesto, although I do remember David Cameron promising to reduce net immigration to tens of thousands in 2010.

Because IMO Labour have a fairly relaxed attitude to illegal immigration which will only encourage those trying to cross the channel. The Tories obviously failed miserably, obviously.

[sadoldgit]

4 minutes ago, iansums said:

Because IMO Labour have a fairly relaxed attitude to illegal immigration which will only encourage those trying to cross the channel. The Tories obviously failed miserably, obviously.

More relaxed than the party who let the figures run wild and stopped even processing the claims of asylum seekers?

Labour have been in government for 4 weeks. The Tories were in power for 14 years. Perhaps give it some time before you decide that they are going to be worse on figures.

[Turkish]

2 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

A cursory look at the news this morning shows that a man was arrested for throwing a brick and a bottle at police and you think that it is unlikely that someone had her windscreen smashed? Ok.

And as I said, I don’t know this person so why say that I do? 

There are countless occasions when people mention things that are relative to the narrative of the thread. Do you have a problem with that.

You say that I mention things that support my position.

The first thing that I mentioned yesterday was a conversation I had with someone with experience of the riots in NI talking about his view of the policing of these riots. Not my view. His view. You say there is an ever growing cast of characters. I have mentioned this guy before and the other character is twice removed, so hardly “ever growing” is it.

The second thing I mentioned was that the friend of a work colleague of my wife, who is of Asian origin, had had her car windscreen smashed. Given the amount of hatred shown towards people of a different colour skin this last week and the violence we have witnessed, why would I bother making something up that pales into insignificance against everything else in order to support a view? We all know what is going on, apart from those who support attacks on Muslims, and why. 

You are a sad little man who gets called out time and again for your unpleasant views and you are so desperate to score points that you even resort to posting laughing emojis on threads about the death of children.

Like most people I have friends and acquaintances and, like most people, we discuss the issues of the day. Like most people we relay anything pertinent to the subject of the conversation to the other people. It is common practice and happens frequently in here too.

You have done it yourself but of course that doesn’t count does it? You have mentioned your family members when talking about Muslims. You have mentioned your female work colleagues when talking about women’s pay levels and their attitude towards it. You have mentioned all number of things that involve other people you know that are relevant to the narrative at the time. So what makes your position any different than mine?

If I did it every day I would agree that you had a point, but over the many years we have been posting here I doubt very much if I have done it much more than you.

In my experience, those who are most likely to lie accuse others of lying because that is the behaviour they expect. I don’t accuse others of lying when they talk of conversations with other people.

If I was going to go to the trouble of making things up I would make them far more interesting.

I relate the opinion of a man who served in NI in The Troubles about the way the police have handled the riots so far and also that someone had had their windscreen smashed in the early evening in Bristol where a riot was expected. I mentioned that she had brown skin as, given the circumstances, it might well have been relevant. Neither of these things do anything to advance my view or opinion. They are relative to the narrative of the thread. Nothing more, nothing less.

And to save you the trouble, this one’s for you

😂

 

No, we think it’s highly unlikely that in a city of nearly 500,000 a brown person you know had their window smashed 2 hours before there was due to be a far right protest that never happened. Of all the possible car windows that could have got smashed in the country it was someone known to you who was a different skin colour. It’s incredibly unlikely isn’t it. Given your history of lying it’s no surprise no one believes you. Come on just admit you made it up. It’s so frigging obvious 

[Turkish]

17 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

I'm not being funny, but you must be the most zeitgeist connected poster in history. From what I've read every single issue of the day has a connection to someone you have had contact with in the last 24 hours. It's uncanny. 

One of my favourite ones was when I think it was Andrew Parker Bowles was in the news for the wrong reasons and thou and behold sat next to SOG at the Romney Marsh village lunch was someone who knew him personally and backed up Soggys POV to the letter 

[sadoldgit]

11 minutes ago, iansums said:

He was right, sadly.

Out of interest do you remember him telling the rioters to stop?

Going back to his quote, do you think it is more likely to encourage the racists to take things even further or less likely?

[AlexLaw76]

1 minute ago, sadoldgit said:

Out of interest do you remember him telling the rioters to stop?

Going back to his quote, do you think it is more likely to encourage the racists to take things even further or less likely?

I don’t recall about 625 other MPs telling rioters to stop.

 

[iansums]

6 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

More relaxed than the party who let the figures run wild and stopped even processing the claims of asylum seekers?

Labour have been in government for 4 weeks. The Tories were in power for 14 years. Perhaps give it some time before you decide that they are going to be worse on figures.

I didn't decide anything fella, I just gave an opinion, we hear yours often enough. I may well be wrong of course, I hope I am.

[CB Fry]

1 hour ago, Guided Missile said:

Socialism fails, when other peoples money runs out.

The Conservatives took office in 2010 with the National Debt at 64% of GDP (£1 trillion), they left office with it at 96.5% (before Covid it was still higher at 75%, close to £2 trillion). 

So the Tories just borrowed borrowed borrowed and borrowed and spent spent spent.

The "other peoples money" pathetic cliche is applicable to the Conservatives as much (if not more) than any other party.

Because they sure as shit didn't "create" or "spend" their "own" money. They kept spending "other peoples money" regardless.

But as GM just spouts cliche and buzzwords doesn't really understand, it's not much of a surprise he's wheeling out the oldest and most disprovable.

.

Edited August 8 by CB Fry

[iansums]

6 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Out of interest do you remember him telling the rioters to stop?

Going back to his quote, do you think it is more likely to encourage the racists to take things even further or less likely?

No, but I did hear him condemn the violence. As for the quote, I'll answer it like this, I don't think he should shy away from raising very real concerns about an issue where a huge number of people share those concerns.

[sadoldgit]

2 minutes ago, iansums said:

I didn't decide anything fella, I just gave an opinion, we hear yours often enough. I may well be wrong of course, I hope I am.

My point is that you seem to have come a conclusion about one party after a couple of weeks when you have had 14 years of poor management from the Tories. It seems a bit soon to call them out but yes you are more than entitled to your opinion and to disagree with mine of course. Please do. It would make a pleasant change from the usual suspects.

[sadoldgit]

2 minutes ago, iansums said:

No, but I did hear him condemn the violence. As for the quote, I'll answer it like this, I don't think he should shy away from raising very real concerns about an issue where a huge number of people share those concerns.

I heard him condemn the violence to, very quickly, but he did. What he didn’t do is to tell the rioters to stop. Something that you would expect from a concerned, responsible MP.

[AlexLaw76]

1 minute ago, sadoldgit said:

I heard him condemn the violence to, very quickly, but he did. What he didn’t do is to tell the rioters to stop. Something that you would expect from a concerned, responsible MP.

Can you list all MPs who have publicly told the rioters to stop.

links please

ta

Edited August 8 by AlexLaw76

[iansums]

4 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

My point is that you seem to have come a conclusion about one party after a couple of weeks when you have had 14 years of poor management from the Tories. It seems a bit soon to call them out but yes you are more than entitled to your opinion and to disagree with mine of course. Please do. It would make a pleasant change from the usual suspects.

It's a prediction, not a conclusion.

[Sheaf Saint]

1 hour ago, iansums said:

He was right, sadly.

[iansums]

28 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

I'd take that a lot more seriously if behaviour was spelt correctly.

[Lord Duckhunter]

5 hours ago, iansums said:

Small protest in Bournemouth, about 150 outside Roundhouse hotel where immigrants are housed. 

I’d rather be in the Bibby Stockholm than that shit hole, & downtown Kigali more appealing than fucking Bournemouth on a Weds night. 

[ecuk268]

50 minutes ago, iansums said:

I'd take that a lot more seriously if behaviour was spelt correctly.

If the writer was from the US, the spelling is correct.

[Wade Garrett]

2 hours ago, Guided Missile said:

It's easy to understand why Labour want more immigrants. It was explained to me by a local Lib Dem councillor. She told me that she was really a life-long Tory, but the Lib Dems had provided her with a council house, when she got divorced and she feels that she owes them her loyalty. There's only two things politicians crave. Power and/or money. You just have to see where Tony Blair and his Socialist tribe have ended up. Most Labour politicians could not create money through capitalism so have to steal it from those that can or even from pensioners. I think some, like Corbyn, really do believe in the existence of a money tree.

Socialism fails, when other peoples money runs out. 

Weirdo

[iansums]

15 minutes ago, ecuk268 said:

If the writer was from the US, the spelling is correct.

This is an English football forum for English speakers, we don't want any foreigners here! 🙄

[Farmer Saint]

2 hours ago, Turkish said:

One of my favourite ones was when I think it was Andrew Parker Bowles was in the news for the wrong reasons and thou and behold sat next to SOG at the Romney Marsh village lunch was someone who knew him personally and backed up Soggys POV to the letter 

Shut up, that didn't happen did it? 😂

[The Kraken]

15 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Shut up, that didn't happen did it? 😂

I believe it was actually over brunch, I may be mistaken (there's been so many lies that they kind of all blend into one).

[Turkish]

38 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Shut up, that didn't happen did it? 😂

 

22 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

I believe it was actually over brunch, I may be mistaken (there's been so many lies that they kind of all blend into one).

actually i think you're right @The Kraken it was brunch. 100% happened though.

[iansums]

I see someone has got a 26 month sentence and a bite on the arse from a Police dog for basically having a drunken pop at the Police. It does seem incredibly harsh but on the other hand the stiff sentences have nipped in the bud the riots, thats for sure. I look forward to seeing what sentences the two Muslim guys from Manchester Airport get.

Edited August 8 by iansums
typo

[sadoldgit]

1 hour ago, Farmer Saint said:

Shut up, that didn't happen did it? 😂

No it didn’t. He made it up. Just like he makes other stuff up. It’s what he does and is part of his attention seeking schtick.

Edited August 8 by sadoldgit

[sadoldgit]

3 hours ago, iansums said:

It's a prediction, not a conclusion.

Fair enough.

[Farmer Saint]

17 minutes ago, Turkish said:

 

actually i think you're right @The Kraken it was brunch. 100% happened though.

That's so fucking funny 😂😂😂

[sadoldgit]

3 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Can you list all MPs who have publicly told the rioters to stop.

links please

ta

He is not just an MP. He is the leader of the Reform party. He has also been very vocal about the cause of the ripts as well as very vocal about immigrants and immigration. Do you understand the difference? Do you think that maybe the riots serve his purpose? He has been trying to stoke up race hate for years. Why would he call for the rioters to stop? 

[AlexLaw76]

4 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

He is not just an MP. He is the leader of the Reform party. He has also been very vocal about the cause of the ripts as well as very vocal about immigrants and immigration. Do you understand the difference? Do you think that maybe the riots serve his purpose? He has been trying to stoke up race hate for years. Why would he call for the rioters to stop? 

You can’t then. Fair enough

[sadoldgit]

5 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

That's so fucking funny 😂😂😂

I have never met or sat next to Andrew Parker Bowles. People make stuff up and you find it funny. You seem a bit gullible. I hope that you run your farm better than you operate on social media.

[iansums]

8 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

He is not just an MP. He is the leader of the Reform party. He has also been very vocal about the cause of the ripts as well as very vocal about immigrants and immigration. Do you understand the difference? Do you think that maybe the riots serve his purpose? He has been trying to stoke up race hate for years. Why would he call for the rioters to stop? 

Actually, I think the riots damage his cause. Imagine huge demonstrations across the country without any trouble, that would benefit him enormously, but as soon as it becomes a riot then the opposite is true.

[iansums]

6 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

I have never met or sat next to Andrew Parker Bowles. People make stuff up and you find it funny. You seem a bit gullible. I hope that you run your farm better than you operate on social media.

That's not what Turkish stated, it was a friend of Parker Bowles. Anyway, more importnatly, was it lunch or brunch?

[sadoldgit]

4 minutes ago, iansums said:

That's not what Turkish stated, it was a friend of Parker Bowles. Anyway, more importnatly, was it lunch or brunch?

It really doesn’t matter. From memory he was in the news for some kind of indiscretion. It came up in conversation and another person said that they knew him and that he was a bit of a shagger. People know people. People talk about people. You seem to be falling into the trap of being a bit of a twat like the other twats on here.

[Turkish]

28 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

No it didn’t. He made it up. Just like he makes other stuff up. It’s what he does and is part of his attention seeking schtick.

As I’m not the only one who remembers it seem like you’ve admitted it was another lie. 

[sadoldgit]

12 minutes ago, iansums said:

Actually, I think the riots damage his cause. Imagine huge demonstrations across the country without any trouble, that would benefit him enormously, but as soon as it becomes a riot then the opposite is true.

He is trying to prove that integration doesn’t work and that migrants, particularly Muslims, are a problem. They are a problem because they don’t subscribe to British values etc etc. Fortunately the vast majority of the people in this country do not agree with him or the far right thugs who do his bidding on the streets. It is clearly a growing problem though and one that he and his like are working constantly on pushing. This isn’t the end, it has just started.

[Turkish]

8 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

It really doesn’t matter. From memory he was in the news for some kind of indiscretion. It came up in conversation and another person said that they knew him and that he was a bit of a shagger. People know people. People talk about people. You seem to be falling into the trap of being a bit of a twat like the other twats on here.

So I didn’t make it up then 🤣🤣🤣