What Is Happening To Our Country?

[whelk]

  On 07/01/2023 at 10:11, Whitey Grandad said:

I once knew a young lady who da worked at the old Southern TV studios at Northam. She told me that the newsreaders sitting behind a desk would be all jacket and tie above the desktop but beach shorts and sandals below it where they could not be seen.

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I know for a fact Fern Britton had no knickers on when she was presenting. Or I liked to think

[whelk]

  On 07/01/2023 at 00:03, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Excellent tips. My wfh attire of wearing my jammies until around 11 before getting changed for a later lunchtime walk may need a review. 🙂

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Cashmere pyjamas I trust?

[whelk]

  On 06/01/2023 at 23:52, Turkish said:

A suit jacket is a no. But a shirt with a blazer and chinos or smart trousers even smart jeans is okay. I’d also say a quality kitted long sleeve polo shirt or roll neck, has to be cashmere, with a blazer can look very cool and smart if youre lean but looks ridiculous if you’re fat or too Muscular. 

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I’m picturing the suave look of Pep

[Whitey Grandad]

  On 07/01/2023 at 10:18, whelk said:

I know for a fact Fern Britton had no knickers on when she was presenting. Or I liked to think

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Those studio light can be damned hot.

[Winnersaint]

  On 07/01/2023 at 10:18, whelk said:

I know for a fact Fern Britton had no knickers on when she was presenting. Or I liked to think

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I remember her telling a story on TV as to why Phil Vickery nicknamed her 'Minty'. If memory serves me right that involved no knickers and a smashed jar of mint sauce.

[Turkish]

  On 07/01/2023 at 10:34, Winnersaint said:

I remember her telling a story on TV as to why Phil Vickery nicknamed her 'Minty'. If memory serves me right that involved no knickers and a smashed jar of mint sauce.

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Not because her snatch looked like the fella off of Eastenders?

[Holmes_and_Watson]

  On 07/01/2023 at 10:20, whelk said:

Cashmere pyjamas I trust?

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All jammies are covered by my elegant smoking jacket, awaiting the call in my role as Holmes & Watson, consulting forum poster! 🙂

[AlexLaw76]

  On 06/01/2023 at 20:21, Sheaf Saint said:

Not that i have to justify myself to you, but promoting the efficient use of water is one of the core principles of my job, so I have to practice what I preach. 

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lol.

Alright swampy, we've all virtune signalled before...

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[Dark Munster]

  On 06/01/2023 at 19:07, Turkish said:

Probably only changes their sheets every 6 months as well

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Oh, thanks for the reminder.

[benjii]

I was told Fern Cotton only takes it up the bum. Never in the front hole.

 

 

[badgerx16]

  On 08/01/2023 at 18:12, benjii said:

I was told Fern Cotton only takes it up the bum. Never in the front hole.

 

 

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So both her children were artificial insemination ?

[Turkish]

  On 08/01/2023 at 18:12, benjii said:

I was told Fern Cotton only takes it up the bum. Never in the front hole.

 

 

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She’s vegan so probably too self righteous to take any man juice in any other hole. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

[Turkish]

8,000 diversity managers 🤦‍♂️

[Turkish]

  On 08/01/2023 at 22:34, Lord Duckhunter said:

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[badgerx16]

  On 08/01/2023 at 22:36, Turkish said:

8,000 diversity managers 🤦‍♂️

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The allegation is that there are eight HUNDRED diversity managers. To make it more sensationalist, and fishing for knee jerk bites, some berks are adding the extra zero.

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[AlexLaw76]

[Turkish]

  On 09/01/2023 at 00:12, badgerx16 said:

The allegation is that there are eight HUNDRED diversity managers. To make it more sensationalist, and fishing for knee jerk bites, some berks are adding the extra zero.

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800, 8000, whatever. Still ridiculous, jobs advertised for £77k. Diversity and inclusion is the gravy train right now

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[egg]

  On 09/01/2023 at 07:33, Turkish said:

800, 8000, whatever. Still ridiculous, ions advertised for £77k. Diversity and inclusion is the gravy train right now

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Yep. Let's assume it's "just 800" at an average salary of say £60k. That's almost £50m a year, plus national insurance, plus ongoing pension costs, for diversity managers. The world's gone mad. 

[badgerx16]

  On 09/01/2023 at 07:33, Turkish said:

800, 8000, whatever. Still ridiculous, jobs advertised for £77k. Diversity and inclusion is the gravy train right now

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I don't disagree. Surely an organisation where more than 20% of the workforce are from ethnic minorities, and 30% of medical staff are Asian, is demonstrating it's diversity without the need for further active promotion.

[aintforever]

  On 08/01/2023 at 22:36, Turkish said:

8,000 diversity managers 🤦‍♂️

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Only 7,200 out but well done, good point.

[Turkish]

  On 09/01/2023 at 08:54, aintforever said:

Only 7,200 out but well done, good point.

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Too dense to read the rest of the thread? What a shock  

[aintforever]

  On 09/01/2023 at 08:56, Turkish said:

Too dense to read the rest of the thread? What a shock  

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Na read it. Still funny that you believed some pissed-up northerner was actually quoting facts.

[Weston Super Saint]

  On 09/01/2023 at 09:04, aintforever said:

Na read it. Still funny that you believed some pissed-up northerner was actually quoting facts.

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Looked like he was in a wheelchair wasn't he?

Maybe sounded 'pissed up' (to you) due to a disability???

[aintforever]

  On 09/01/2023 at 09:08, Weston Super Saint said:

Looked like he was in a wheelchair wasn't he?

Maybe sounded 'pissed up' (to you) due to a disability???

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Are you suggesting northerners in wheelchairs are not allowed to get pissed up and talk bollocks?

[Turkish]

  On 09/01/2023 at 09:33, aintforever said:

Are you suggesting northerners in wheelchairs are not allowed to get pissed up and talk bollocks?

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It seems to be you who is suggesting a bloke a disabled bloke on TV was pissed and northern so there for we should discount their views. 

And you were doing so well but scored yet another own goal.

Remind me why they call you aintclever?

[aintforever]

  On 09/01/2023 at 09:57, Turkish said:

It seems to be you who is suggesting a bloke a disabled bloke on TV was pissed and northern so there for we should discount their views. 

And you were doing so well but scored yet another own goal.

Remind me why they call you aintclever?

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He's talking complete bollocks wether he is disabled and sober or not. It's you that believed him fuckwit.

[Turkish]

  On 09/01/2023 at 10:03, aintforever said:

He's talking complete bollocks wether he is disabled and sober or not. It's you that believed him fuckwit.

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So angry. Everything alright at home?

[aintforever]

  On 09/01/2023 at 10:15, Turkish said:

So angry. Everything alright at home?

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You are the one getting all angry over some completely made up facts.

[Turkish]

  On 09/01/2023 at 10:25, aintforever said:

You are the one getting all angry over some completely made up facts.

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Yeah because posting a video with a 3 word comment is "getting all angry" It aint me swearing and calling people names pal  

[ashnats]

  On 09/01/2023 at 08:35, badgerx16 said:

I don't disagree. Surely an organisation where more than 20% of the workforce are from ethnic minorities, and 30% of medical staff are Asian, is demonstrating it's diversity without the need for further active promotion.

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It's not just about diversity, it's inclusion too. it is not about hitting % numbers it's about ensuring the working environment is fair and inclusive for all and that staff are not taken advantage of or subject to harassment and poor line manager practices. Noone should be subject to abuse at their workplace for any reason, and no reason not to have managers responsible for reducing the abuse nhs staff may receive from patients and colleagues.

  On 09/01/2023 at 07:33, Turkish said:

800, 8000, whatever. Still ridiculous, jobs advertised for £77k. Diversity and inclusion is the gravy train right now

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800 is tiny cf nhs workforce. Nhs has under 4 percent managers in its workforce, around 1/3 of a typical corporate environment. The idea that nhs waste on managers is a falsehood.

Also, a lot of those inclusion managers will be looking at disabled staff and patients, accessibility initiatives, making sure ramps are in place etc, pretty important for a hospital...

A bunch more will be working on social mobility, and taking down barriers around promotion bias against those from working class backgrounds.

A bunch more will be working together around fair recognition and making a case for e.g.  a fair wage for cleaners/porters etc.

The items that get people hot under the collar, trans people and ethnic minorities, are a very miniscule part of what those managers do.

Source; worked in a hospital, and the d and I team helped my team members a bunch of times to help improve the working environment in our team.

[aintforever]

  On 09/01/2023 at 10:37, Turkish said:

Yeah because posting a video with a 3 word comment is "getting all angry" It aint me swearing and calling people names pal  

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You should've been angry mate, 6000 diversity managers is a massive waste of taxpayers money.

[Whitey Grandad]

Surely, in the interests of diversity you should have thousands of diversity managers? The clue is in the name. If you only had one that wouldn’t be very diverse.

[Turkish]

  On 09/01/2023 at 10:44, aintforever said:

You should've been angry mate, 6000 diversity managers is a massive waste of taxpayers money.

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6000? you making stuff up again?

[AlexLaw76]

The NHS Lived Experience Manager is the holy grail though??

 

[sadoldgit]

  On 09/01/2023 at 10:38, ashnats said:

It's not just about diversity, it's inclusion too. it is not about hitting % numbers it's about ensuring the working environment is fair and inclusive for all and that staff are not taken advantage of or subject to harassment and poor line manager practices. Noone should be subject to abuse at their workplace for any reason, and no reason not to have managers responsible for reducing the abuse nhs staff may receive from patients and colleagues.

800 is tiny cf nhs workforce. Nhs has under 4 percent managers in its workforce, around 1/3 of a typical corporate environment. The idea that nhs waste on managers is a falsehood.

Also, a lot of those inclusion managers will be looking at disabled staff and patients, accessibility initiatives, making sure ramps are in place etc, pretty important for a hospital...

A bunch more will be working on social mobility, and taking down barriers around promotion bias against those from working class backgrounds.

A bunch more will be working together around fair recognition and making a case for e.g.  a fair wage for cleaners/porters etc.

The items that get people hot under the collar, trans people and ethnic minorities, are a very miniscule part of what those managers do.

Source; worked in a hospital, and the d and I team helped my team members a bunch of times to help improve the working environment in our team.

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Good to read a sensible post at last. Sadly the knee jerk reactionary blowhards in our society (a few of whom post here regularly) suck up the rubbish printed by the likes of the Mail, the Sun and the feeders on Twitter and regurgitate this rubbish on social media a daily basis so that eventually this nonsense becomes “fact”.  A bigger issue than management numbers in the NHS is how many people waste time spreading disinformation on social media when they are being paid to do a job 😏

[Turkish]

  On 09/01/2023 at 11:05, sadoldgit said:

Good to read a sensible post at last. Sadly the knee jerk reactionary blowhards in our society (a few of whom post here regularly) suck up the rubbish printed by the likes of the Mail, the Sun and the feeders on Twitter and regurgitate this rubbish on social media a daily basis so that eventually this nonsense becomes “fact”.  A bigger issue than management numbers in the NHS is how many people waste time spreading disinformation on social media when they are being paid to do a job 😏

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You forgot to mention Katy hopkins, Jeremy Clarkson or Tommy Robinson.

[Turkish]

  On 09/01/2023 at 10:38, ashnats said:

It's not just about diversity, it's inclusion too. it is not about hitting % numbers it's about ensuring the working environment is fair and inclusive for all and that staff are not taken advantage of or subject to harassment and poor line manager practices. Noone should be subject to abuse at their workplace for any reason, and no reason not to have managers responsible for reducing the abuse nhs staff may receive from patients and colleagues.

800 is tiny cf nhs workforce. Nhs has under 4 percent managers in its workforce, around 1/3 of a typical corporate environment. The idea that nhs waste on managers is a falsehood.

Also, a lot of those inclusion managers will be looking at disabled staff and patients, accessibility initiatives, making sure ramps are in place etc, pretty important for a hospital...

A bunch more will be working on social mobility, and taking down barriers around promotion bias against those from working class backgrounds.

A bunch more will be working together around fair recognition and making a case for e.g.  a fair wage for cleaners/porters etc.

The items that get people hot under the collar, trans people and ethnic minorities, are a very miniscule part of what those managers do.

Source; worked in a hospital, and the d and I team helped my team members a bunch of times to help improve the working environment in our team.

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800 diversity Managers isn't a huge waste of money? OKay then.

[buctootim]

  On 09/01/2023 at 10:38, ashnats said:

It's not just about diversity, it's inclusion too. it is not about hitting % numbers it's about ensuring the working environment is fair and inclusive for all and that staff are not taken advantage of or subject to harassment and poor line manager practices. Noone should be subject to abuse at their workplace for any reason, and no reason not to have managers responsible for reducing the abuse nhs staff may receive from patients and colleagues.

800 is tiny cf nhs workforce. Nhs has under 4 percent managers in its workforce, around 1/3 of a typical corporate environment. The idea that nhs waste on managers is a falsehood.

Also, a lot of those inclusion managers will be looking at disabled staff and patients, accessibility initiatives, making sure ramps are in place etc, pretty important for a hospital...

A bunch more will be working on social mobility, and taking down barriers around promotion bias against those from working class backgrounds.

A bunch more will be working together around fair recognition and making a case for e.g.  a fair wage for cleaners/porters etc.

The items that get people hot under the collar, trans people and ethnic minorities, are a very miniscule part of what those managers do.

Source; worked in a hospital, and the d and I team helped my team members a bunch of times to help improve the working environment in our team.

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Exactly. Apart from being the right thing to do it is also a legal requirement. Given the NHS has c550 million patients each year and 1.3 million employees one diversity manager per 660,000 patients and 1,600 employees seems pretty sparse.   

[buctootim]

  On 09/01/2023 at 11:09, Turkish said:

800 diversity Managers isn't a huge waste of money? OKay then.

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Why dont you bang on about those cunts at railways stations putting down ramps for people in wheeelchairs to get on trains? Thats more your level of complexity. 

[Turkish]

  On 09/01/2023 at 11:11, buctootim said:

Why dont you bang on about those cunts at railways stations putting down ramps for people in wheeelchairs to get on trains? Thats more your level of complexity. 

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Oh dear, another lounge superstar getting all upset. Dry january seems to be causing a bit of anger.

[Weston Super Saint]

  On 09/01/2023 at 09:33, aintforever said:

Are you suggesting northerners in wheelchairs are not allowed to get pissed up and talk bollocks?

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That's dumb even for you.

Perhaps you should visit the diversity manager that looks after your local NHS area, so you don't immediately assume that disabled people are 'pissed up'.

Maybe, if less people like yourself stopped jumping to such erroneous conclusions, there wouldn't be such a need for diversity managers in the first place.

[Weston Super Saint]

  On 09/01/2023 at 11:05, sadoldgit said:

Good to read a sensible post at last. Sadly the knee jerk reactionary blowhards in our society (a few of whom post here regularly) suck up the rubbish printed by the likes of the Mail, the Sun and the feeders on Twitter and regurgitate this rubbish on social media a daily basis so that eventually this nonsense becomes “fact”.  A bigger issue than management numbers in the NHS is how many people waste time spreading disinformation on social media when they are being paid to do a job 😏

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What a crock of shit.

"The biggest issue within the NHS is people spouting shit about the NHS on social media".  You've officially lost the plot.

[whelk]

Feels like thread titles are now irrelevant and this one will do for anything in the news now. Weak moderating IMO

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[aintforever]

  On 09/01/2023 at 11:50, Weston Super Saint said:

That's dumb even for you.

Perhaps you should visit the diversity manager that looks after your local NHS area, so you don't immediately assume that disabled people are 'pissed up'.

Maybe, if less people like yourself stopped jumping to such erroneous conclusions, there wouldn't be such a need for diversity managers in the first place.

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It's irrelevant wether he was in a wheelchair or not, my point was that he was talking complete shite about 8000 diversity managers.

If you're going to get all angry over NHS wasting money you should at least have a vague idea of what is true.

[whelk]

All big organisations get carried away with lazy solutions. Diversity specialists actually antagonise people and will have forums where no one dare challenge - who is against diversity? 
Asian guy at our place kicked up about being performance managed but he was fucking useless and thick as fuck but knew playing race card would set some alarms. 
 

[Turkish]

  On 09/01/2023 at 12:01, aintforever said:

It's irrelevant wether he was in a wheelchair or not, my point was that he was talking complete shite about 8000 diversity managers.

If you're going to get all angry over NHS wasting money you should at least have a vague idea of what is true.

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Yet you're the only one constantly using bad language and calling people names. 😕

[whelk]

Having said that above it is worrying how easy people can be played into being diverted into the usual scapegoating. If we put more money in NHS it will just lead to more diversity managers. Nothing to do with funding

[Weston Super Saint]

  On 09/01/2023 at 12:01, aintforever said:

It's irrelevant wether he was in a wheelchair or not, my point was that he was talking complete shite about 8000 diversity managers.

If you're going to get all angry over NHS wasting money you should at least have a vague idea of what is true.

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Nope.

Your original point is quite clear about him being 'some pissed-up' Northener:

  On 09/01/2023 at 09:04, aintforever said:

Na read it. Still funny that you believed some pissed-up northerner was actually quoting facts.

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What is happening to our country asks the thread title? Dumb people like aintclever jumping to stupid conclusions about disabled people being 'pissed up', thus forcing us to have diversity managers is one of the problems.

Also, have you considered the fact that he may have dyscalculia as well as an obvious disability?  Not all disabilities are visible as your diversity manager will be only too pleased to teach you.....

[aintforever]

  On 09/01/2023 at 12:09, Weston Super Saint said:

Nope.

Your original point is quite clear about him being 'some pissed-up' Northener:

What is happening to our country asks the thread title? Dumb people like aintclever jumping to stupid conclusions about disabled people being 'pissed up', thus forcing us to have diversity managers is one of the problems.

Also, have you considered the fact that he may have dyscalculia as well as an obvious disability?  Not all disabilities are visible as your diversity manager will be only too pleased to teach you.....

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Why do you think he's disabled anyway, I can't see a wheelchair in that clip?