The World Cup Thread

[Holmes_and_Watson]

59 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

I reckon we should have five potential penalty takers lined up on the edge of the box. Once the ref is happy and the 'keeper has finished all of his time wasting b*llocks, then the captain picks someone at random from those five to step forward and take it, immediately. Having less time to overthink things and with the keeper not knowing who to psyche out might give us an advantage.

I thought you were going to say "I reckon we should have five potential penalty takers lined up on the edge of the box..." They all run up to hit one of five balls on a line, and England get to count all that go in. Maybe, just maybe...  England could take games into extra time/ sudden death penalties as a result. 🙂

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, Lighthouse said:

I reckon we should have five potential penalty takers lined up on the edge of the box. Once the ref is happy and the 'keeper has finished all of his time wasting b*llocks, then the captain picks someone at random from those five to step forward and take it, immediately. Having less time to overthink things and with the keeper not knowing who to psyche out might give us an advantage.

Wouldn’t work as the rules say the taker has to be clearly identified before the kick is taken. Although the rules also say the ball cannot go backwards, so nothing to stop the taker kicking it sideways and a team mate running in a smashing it into the net.. 

[Kingsland Codger]

18 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Wouldn’t work as the rules say the taker has to be clearly identified before the kick is taken. Although the rules also say the ball cannot go backwards, so nothing to stop the taker kicking it sideways and a team mate running in a smashing it into the net.. 

Like this … And it goes down in the book as one of Messi’s missed penalties

[Holmes_and_Watson]

44 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Wouldn’t work as the rules say the taker has to be clearly identified before the kick is taken. Although the rules also say the ball cannot go backwards, so nothing to stop the taker kicking it sideways and a team mate running in a smashing it into the net.. 

That would have been something. Kane touches the ball sideways, and with Lloris on the deck, nippy Kyle Walker races in to put it in the other corner. In a parallel universe somewhere... >sigh<

[Whitey Grandad]

2 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

I reckon we should have five potential penalty takers lined up on the edge of the box. Once the ref is happy and the 'keeper has finished all of his time wasting b*llocks, then the captain picks someone at random from those five to step forward and take it, immediately. Having less time to overthink things and with the keeper not knowing who to psyche out might give us an advantage.

“The player taking the penalty kick must be clearly identified.”

The Laws don’t state when this player must be identified though

Or you could just choose someone who can kick a ball into the top half of the side netting from 12 yards away.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

42 minutes ago, Kingsland Codger said:

Like this … And it goes down in the book as one of Messi’s missed penalties

I'd not seen that before. Thanks Kingsland Codger.

[Lighthouse]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

Wouldn’t work as the rules say the taker has to be clearly identified before the kick is taken. Although the rules also say the ball cannot go backwards, so nothing to stop the taker kicking it sideways and a team mate running in a smashing it into the net.. 

But that can be a couple of seconds before the kick is taken. Usually there’s a good solid minute of arguing and time wasting before that.

[HarvSFC]

1 hour ago, Kingsland Codger said:

Like this … And it goes down in the book as one of Messi’s missed penalties

Here's one that didn't go to plan: 

 

[Lord Duckhunter]

Southgate allegedly said “we needed Winston Churchill & got Iain Duncan Smith” when discussing Sven’s half time team talk at the ‘02 quarter final. Well this time we needed Sir Alex and got Oli. At 1-1 they were there for the taking, that’s the time changes should have been made, not after they’d re-established their lead. Sterling coming on was bizarre  and only giving Grealish a minute pointless. It’s also pretty unbelievable that Madison never got a minute during the whole tournament. Like him or not, he’d been flying in the premier league, certainly more so than Sterling or Mount. 

Whilst he’s got the best record since Sir Alf & has done a difficult job pretty well. The moments that matter have escaped us. He’s top quality for his man management skills and creating an environment where players want to play for their country, and he mainly picks the right sides to start with, but his in game management is not at the top level. In all 3 defeats (Croatia, Italy & France) we’ve controlled a lot of the game, the fact we haven’t taken advantage of that, haven’t got over line, is too much of a coincidence to be bad luck. 

[Bad Wolf]

On 10/12/2022 at 17:16, Turkish said:

What gives you the right to tell people how to show their emotions?

Nothing. He can show it however he wants however, I then have the right to think it's pathetic if I would like.

He wasn't ACTUALLY crying though, was he? It was clearly forced in order to make everything about him.

[Turkish]

13 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said:

Nothing. He can show it however he wants however, I then have the right to think it's pathetic if I would like.

He wasn't ACTUALLY crying though, was he? It was clearly forced in order to make everything about him.

How do you know it was forced? You seem to have a tremendous lack of empathy to human emotions. Which is interesting as this is similar behaviour patterns to a former poster.

[SotonianWill]

Southgate now contemplating his future after the world cup exit. I don’t get why he would want to leave as I can’t see who would take him as manager

Question: If he was given the Saints job instead of Jones, what would you say?

[Dark Munster]

6 minutes ago, SotonianWill said:

Southgate now contemplating his future after the world cup exit. I don’t get why he would want to leave as I can’t see who would take him as manager

Question: If he was given the Saints job instead of Jones, what would you say?

Well the good thing about that is he does have relegation battle experience. 

[Toussaint]

46 minutes ago, Turkish said:

How do you know it was forced? You seem to have a tremendous lack of empathy to human emotions. Which is interesting as this is similar behaviour patterns to a former poster.

Are you on the twarpath again? 

[The Left Back]

1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Southgate allegedly said “we needed Winston Churchill & got Iain Duncan Smith” when discussing Sven’s half time team talk at the ‘02 quarter final. Well this time we needed Sir Alex and got Oli. At 1-1 they were there for the taking, that’s the time changes should have been made, not after they’d re-established their lead. Sterling coming on was bizarre  and only giving Grealish a minute pointless. It’s also pretty unbelievable that Madison never got a minute during the whole tournament. Like him or not, he’d been flying in the premier league, certainly more so than Sterling or Mount. 

Whilst he’s got the best record since Sir Alf & has done a difficult job pretty well. The moments that matter have escaped us. He’s top quality for his man management skills and creating an environment where players want to play for their country, and he mainly picks the right sides to start with, but his in game management is not at the top level. In all 3 defeats (Croatia, Italy & France) we’ve controlled a lot of the game, the fact we haven’t taken advantage of that, haven’t got over line, is too much of a coincidence to be bad luck. 

Pretty much agree with all this and was not happy with the way he game managed the Croatia and Italy matches.  I feel a bit kinder about the France situation.  We were really on top at 1-1 and they scored against the run of play, so don't blame him for not making changes earlier.  I agree though that the changes seemed odd given the situation.  Bottom line for Saturday was a 50/50 game between two very good sides.  One took their chances the other didn't. 

[Whitey Grandad]

25 minutes ago, SotonianWill said:

Southgate now contemplating his future after the world cup exit. I don’t get why he would want to leave as I can’t see who would take him as manager

Question: If he was given the Saints job instead of Jones, what would you say?

There would be no point. Saints already play slow pass-it-from side-to-side football anyway.

[cloggy saint]

Please, no   https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/dec/12/brendan-rodgers-an-ideal-upgrade-for-england-if-gareth-southgate-walks-away

[Lighthouse]

7 minutes ago, cloggy saint said:

Please, no   https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/dec/12/brendan-rodgers-an-ideal-upgrade-for-england-if-gareth-southgate-walks-away

I’d rather have him than a man who’s only previous managerial credentials were taking over a club in the UEFA Cup final and guiding them to 12th, 13th and then relegation in three years.

[Turkish]

10 minutes ago, cloggy saint said:

Please, no   https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/dec/12/brendan-rodgers-an-ideal-upgrade-for-england-if-gareth-southgate-walks-away

Why not?

[CB Fry]

13 minutes ago, cloggy saint said:

Please, no   https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/dec/12/brendan-rodgers-an-ideal-upgrade-for-england-if-gareth-southgate-walks-away

Pretty obvious and realistic candidate to be honest. 

Apart from the divs on here who still openly weep about that thing he said about us that one time, I can't see what the problem would be.

If nothing else he is quite good in Cup competition.

[egg]

1 hour ago, cloggy saint said:

Please, no   https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/dec/12/brendan-rodgers-an-ideal-upgrade-for-england-if-gareth-southgate-walks-away

He'd be decent. Who would you like to see instead? 

[alehouseboys]

I’d be onboard with Poch.

[egg]

25 minutes ago, alehouseboys said:

I’d be onboard with Poch.

He'd be decent, but I think he's still got too much to offer at club level to take that gig. 

[Turkish]

29 minutes ago, egg said:

He'd be decent, but I think he's still got too much to offer at club level to take that gig. 

I thought we all hated Poch because he didn’t stay with us forever?

[cloggy saint]

2 hours ago, egg said:

He'd be decent. Who would you like to see instead? 

I'd like to see Southgate stay on.

[Lord Duckhunter]

8 hours ago, cloggy saint said:

I'd like to see Southgate stay on.

What makes you think he’s capable of getting us over the line? 
 

Tony Adams is a loon, but he’s got it right on this subject. 

 

 

'They’re all nice people in the England camp. Gareth Southgate’s lovely, Stevie Holland is wonderful, Chris Powell is a beautiful man.

'But they need an experienced, serial winner around the place.‘

“Well done England, jolly good defeat, keep your heads high. 

'This is the mentality we have to change.’

“he’s a good loser. It’s hard to say that but it’s the truth.'

 

 

 

 

 

[East Kent Saint]

Poch waiting for Chelsea job say his mates .

[CB Fry]

1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

What makes you think he’s capable of getting us over the line? 
 

Tony Adams is a loon, but he’s got it right on this subject. 

 

 

'They’re all nice people in the England camp. Gareth Southgate’s lovely, Stevie Holland is wonderful, Chris Powell is a beautiful man.

'But they need an experienced, serial winner around the place.‘

“Well done England, jolly good defeat, keep your heads high. 

'This is the mentality we have to change.’

“he’s a good loser. It’s hard to say that but it’s the truth.'

 

 

 

 

 

Prior to this serial loser taking over we had the glorious winning period of bombing out of the Euros to Iceland second round, bombing out of the WC in the group stage, bombing out of the Euros second round, bombing out of World Cup in the second round again and not qualifying at all in the Euros.

So much serial winning.

I guess we can look back at Tony Adams era at England where we won absolutely fuck all. He probably spent most of that period waking up in his own piss stained trousers which is what serial winners definitely do. Of course he was also himself a brilliant winning manager at Pompey and whatever third world country he managed for about five minutes. He probably won too much for them to cope with.

Edited 13 December, 2022 by CB Fry

[sadoldgit]

Semi finals, finals, quarter finals would seem to indicate a regression. We still get beaten by teams around our standing and that is something Southgate has never been able to sort. We don’t have a winning mentality and haven’t since 1966. Even then you have to wonder if we would have won it if it had not been played on home soil. Tony Adams is right. We are too nice. The French, for all of their technical ability, were quite happy to kick us throughout the match. Southgate has many qualities, but winning is not one of them and if he stays we can expect more of the same. If people are happy just to get out of the group stages and maybe a round or two more depending on a kind draw, he is your man. If you want someone to finally bring it back home, we need to find someone who can instill that winners mentality into our band of constant plucky losers. Can’t blame Harry Kane for the overall result, but that second pen sums up everything about the England football teams for the last half century. Keeping Southgate because we can’t think of someone better is hardly the answer. There are plenty of people out there who have built teams that win things. It is the FAs job to employ one of them.

[Turkish]

We took the knee and were going to wear rainbow armbands until we we're told not too. We may not have won the competition but we won the war on inequality. People wont be talking about Kanes missed penalty, our performance or if Southgate is the right man when we go out, they'll be praising us for making a stand against Qatar and racism. Oh wait......

Edited 13 December, 2022 by Turkish

[SotonianWill]

8 minutes ago, Turkish said:

We took the knee and were going to wear rainbow armbands until we we're told not too. We may not have won the competition but we won the war on inequality. People wont be talking about Kanes missed penalty, our performance or if Southgate is the right man when we go out, they'll be praising us for making a stand against Qatar and racism. Oh wait......

If he spent more time practicing penalties then he did trying to campaign for same sex marriage in an Islamic state, we might actually have a chance of winning.

[Bad Wolf]

19 hours ago, Turkish said:

How do you know it was forced? You seem to have a tremendous lack of empathy to human emotions. Which is interesting as this is similar behaviour patterns to a former poster.

Oh come on...Let's just say Hollywood won't be calling him any time soon. In fact, he'd be lucky to get a 3 episode supporting stint on EastEnders with acting like that.

Empathy toward human emotions? He's lost a football match. That's it. He's still one of the richest sportspeople in history so no, I don't feel sorry for him one little bit. Not in this context anyway. Obviously when he lost one of his children earlier in the year, I did. Literally no one deserves that and is utterly horrific no matter what so yes, I do have empathy...Just not for someone losing a game of football and pretending to cry about it.

[East Kent Saint]

58 minutes ago, SotonianWill said:

If he spent more time practicing penalties then he did trying to campaign for same sex marriage in an Islamic state, we might actually have a chance of winning.

I think the chance of winning would be the same !

At least the sense of entitlement has faded even Brazil have to face reality and Germany who failed to even qualify.

FIFA still following the money so England will have no influence in the future as we slip into G20 rather than G7.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

8 hours ago, Turkish said:

We took the knee and were going to wear rainbow armbands until we we're told not too. We may not have won the competition but we won the war on inequality. People wont be talking about Kanes missed penalty, our performance or if Southgate is the right man when we go out, they'll be praising us for making a stand against Qatar and racism. Oh wait......

I can only hope the hordes of BBC, and connected, staff that descended on the World Cup will carry that human rights torch through to the end of the tournament. As Alex Scott said, not going would have been the easy option. It's heart warming to know such a large team of dedicated media personnel are diligently reporting on the country. Taking a stand, or a knee, depending on circumstances, when the team now can't.

[whelk]

Like all the shocks but woudl have loved to have seen Brazil v Argentina in this semi

[Lighthouse]

Sky rather weirdly phrased this match as, "Argentina attempting to reach their first WC final since 2014." What, one whole world cup since they last reached the final?

[The Cat]

That's good for my sweepstake chances.

[CB Fry]

hARrY kAnE wOuLD nEv3r sCoRe tHAt

[Turkish]

If Croatia and Morocco could somehow get through it would be Lovren v Boufal and one of Les Reeds greatest signings would have a World Cup winners medal. Surely the final would be #thelesreedfinal

[Toussaint]

I love the way Croatia play through midfield but I don’t see them scoring.

[Turkish]

Les dream just died 

[The Cat]

That goal was a bit like ones you used to score on old console games when you'd charge through in a straight line and the ball would bounce off a load of people and end up going in.

[adrian lord]

Glorious goal

[whelk]

Can someone shut up Dixon please

[hackedoff]

2 minutes ago, adrian lord said:

Glorious goal

From a truly shite Croatian corner.

[The Cat]

6 minutes ago, whelk said:

Can someone shut up Dixon please

"He's got an extending toe in his boot"

[The Cat]

I agree with the pundits about the penalty, the keeper comes out, narrows the angle to try and stop the ball and then the player runs into him.

What's he meant to do, stand there and let him score?

Walton is talking utter shit.

[Turkish]

Just now, The Cat said:

I agree with the pundits about the penalty, the keeper comes out, narrows the angle to try and stop the ball and then the player runs into him.

What's he meant to do, stand there and let him score?

Walton is talking utter shit.

Peter Walton is the expert here Cat

[The Cat]

Just now, Turkish said:

Peter Walton is the expert here Cat

The expert on talking shit!

[adrian lord]

If Walton is right, the nature of football is going to be fundamentally, changed and keepers are going to have to retreat from advancing forwards rather than close down the angle towards them?