FarehamSaintJames Posted 9 November, 2022 Share Posted 9 November, 2022 Squads are slowly being announced now. Croatia’s today, no DCC in their squad, that’s one that I thought would be going. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarehamSaintJames Posted 9 November, 2022 Author Share Posted 9 November, 2022 Diallo didn’t make it 😢😅 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 10 November, 2022 Share Posted 10 November, 2022 Watching the Spurs highlights over the last few weeks, also though a brilliant finisher, Kane just does not love any more, yet plays almost every minute of every game Sterling’s form has complete dropped off the cliff now he can’t score 2 yard tap ins every week, be interesting if Southgate continues with his favourites (mount, Phillips etc) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Curse of St Mary's Posted 10 November, 2022 Share Posted 10 November, 2022 ABK 👏 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarehamSaintJames Posted 10 November, 2022 Author Share Posted 10 November, 2022 Well deserved for him 👍🏻 Who do we reckon will go/not go for England? Rumour is Tomori is out - because winning Serie A means nothing to Southgate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Curse of St Mary's Posted 10 November, 2022 Share Posted 10 November, 2022 Not ideal from our prospective that both ABK and Salisu going to miss that important getting to know new gaffer period. Both are young and raw with huge potential but they need to be coached intensely to adapt to what Jones asks of his defenders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodymatt Posted 10 November, 2022 Share Posted 10 November, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee On Solent Saint Posted 10 November, 2022 Share Posted 10 November, 2022 11 minutes ago, goodymatt said: Am stunned anyone would think he would be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 10 November, 2022 Share Posted 10 November, 2022 Good to see ABK make the German team, no mean feat while playing for us at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpsaint Posted 10 November, 2022 Share Posted 10 November, 2022 Right decision on JWP, he’s offered next to nothing this season and Rice is clearly ahead of him. Wouldn’t he surprised if he’s known from the summer he wouldn’t be going hence apathy in his performances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambosa75 Posted 10 November, 2022 Share Posted 10 November, 2022 Feel sorry for JWP but probably is the right decision. He must be a manager’s dream for dropping from the squad on the eve of a big tournament. That’ll be him off for sure in the summer I reckon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 10 November, 2022 Share Posted 10 November, 2022 (edited) 39 minutes ago, bpsaint said: Right decision on JWP, he’s offered next to nothing this season and Rice is clearly ahead of him. Philips and Henderson have? JWP has been playing consistent all season, and his defensive work, interceptions, and general possession play have been solid. Saints have been poor from a possession and attacking/goal scoring/set piece perspective due to our more defensive setup - and that is behind his perceived worse form (i.e. minimal final 3rd contributions).... but that really is due to tactical setup and lack of quality in front of him. Fan's may not appreciate that, but you'd hope a manager can appreciate it enough to select him over Henderson and Philips - neither of which have seen much / any game time. He remains a player who could happily play every minute of that tournament if required, offers a quality set piece threat, and would do a respectable all round role in midfield. He is also a far better player than Philips anyway. Also tbf, rice has been very poor all season as well. Regardless, its bad news for saints, he's a key player for us and he will now have very little to play for and is unlikely to be in a good headspace for the rest of the season. Maybe he can get his head in the right space, but it equally sets a bad precedent - stay at saints and miss out on international football no matter how well you play (be it the euros or the world cups). Edited 10 November, 2022 by Saint86 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 10 November, 2022 Share Posted 10 November, 2022 (edited) Sad for JWP but almost justifiable. Even with Saints-tinted spectacles he wouldn't make my first XI. Ultimately Southgate is largely a defensive-minded manager, and if we are say 2-0 up who would you prefer to come on to see the game out - Kalvin, Hendo or JWP? Majority of people would say the first two options. I'm not sure set pieces are enough to get you into this team when we have Trippier, Trent, Mount and possibly Maddison should he get called up. Let's not forget our current form won't have helped his chances either, I wonder had he been injured for all of this season would he have been a shoe-in as then one could blame our woes on his absence, but it just hasn't happened for him. Edited 10 November, 2022 by nta786 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloggy saint Posted 10 November, 2022 Share Posted 10 November, 2022 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Saint86 said: Also, rice has been very poor all season as well. Really? I know hyperbole is rampant on this forum but he most definitely hasn't been 'very poor'. I'd take him over JWP every time. Edited 10 November, 2022 by cloggy saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 10 November, 2022 Share Posted 10 November, 2022 he's better than Philips for sure, Mount and Rice are definite of course but Henderson, really? Gallagher? I know that JWP hasn't had a great season but it's because how shit we are and losing Rom and aside from Rice and Mount, he's the next best option. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 10 November, 2022 Share Posted 10 November, 2022 1 minute ago, nta786 said: Sad for JWP but almost justifiable. Even with Saints-tinted spectacles he wouldn't make my first XI. Ultimately Southgate is largely a defensive-minded manager, and if we are say 2-0 up who would you prefer to come on to see the game out - Kalvin, Hendo or JWP? Majority of people would say the first two options. I'm not sure set pieces are enough to get you into this team when we have Trippier, Trent, Mount and possibly Maddison should he get called up. Let's not forget our current form won't have helped his chances either, I wonder had he been injured for all of this season would he have been a shoe-in as then one could blame our woes on his absence, but it just hasn't happened for him. he doesn't have to make the first XI mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 10 November, 2022 Share Posted 10 November, 2022 3 minutes ago, cloggy saint said: Really? Yes, he's west ham's best player and key to them. We're having a bad season but they're 1 point ahead of us. People say JWPs form is poor compared to previous seasons but then don't judge england's other central mids. Philips has barely played and is now out injured. Rice is having a poor season by his form. Henderson has managed 640minutes all season. The only central midfielder on form is Bellingham. He should be default first pick - but its southgate so he'll probably pick Henderson/philips and rice to start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee On Solent Saint Posted 10 November, 2022 Share Posted 10 November, 2022 3 minutes ago, Noodles34 said: he's better than Philips for sure, Mount and Rice are definite of course but Henderson, really? Gallagher? I know that JWP hasn't had a great season but it's because how shit we are and losing Rom and aside from Rice and Mount, he's the next best option. Don't get the hype surrounding Phillips to be honest. Factor in that he has hardly played for City all season, just seems a waste of space in taking him. Not saying that JWP deserves to be in but Southgate clearly has his favourites. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 10 November, 2022 Share Posted 10 November, 2022 (edited) Frankly incredible that he's picked connor gallagher and philips ahead of JWP. Philips has been injured and has hardly kicked a ball all season, how is he going to get match fit in a week.... I mean, he's played 1minute according to transfer market... on the 8th fucking july. Feel for him. But ultimately England under Southgate are shit and have zero chance of winning. First half decent team we face we'll resort to parking the bus, giving them the ball, and playing 8-2 and hoofing it to kane and one headless chicken runner. Then at 70min when we're losing he'll throw on some attacking mids and play possession football. Southgate should never have had his contract extended after Croatia, and the euro's final should have resulted in the sack. Should certainly have gone after the nations league fiasco. FA's stated ambition was to win WC2022 - Everyone knows that couldn't be further from reality under the most tactically clueless england manager there has ever been. Edited 10 November, 2022 by Saint86 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dman Posted 10 November, 2022 Share Posted 10 November, 2022 The Phillips hate continues, despite arguably being England’s best player at the euros. Im glad he’s in. Much better player and offers much more than JWP. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 10 November, 2022 Share Posted 10 November, 2022 defo out, confirmed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 10 November, 2022 Share Posted 10 November, 2022 no Toney, really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dman Posted 10 November, 2022 Share Posted 10 November, 2022 Just now, Noodles34 said: no Toney, really? He’s opted for Madison. In reality, Maddison is more likely to play and have an impact than Toney. No point in having 3 strikers when no one other than Kane will play. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warsash saint Posted 10 November, 2022 Share Posted 10 November, 2022 TTA & Henderson 🤪 Hopefully this WC spells the end of Southgate! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedArmy Posted 10 November, 2022 Share Posted 10 November, 2022 30 minutes ago, sambosa75 said: Feel sorry for JWP Why? He’s been terrible this season and he’s only got himself to blame. He’s lucky to still be captain, a World Cup was never going to happen based on form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwbu Posted 10 November, 2022 Share Posted 10 November, 2022 Taking JWP’s performances in isolation i can see why people would not be surprised he hasn’t made an England squad. But there’s no way anyone can say with a straight face that Phillips/Gallagher/Henderson have done more. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Brightside Posted 10 November, 2022 Share Posted 10 November, 2022 His form’s not been great, but he should go ahead of Philips surely? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 10 November, 2022 Share Posted 10 November, 2022 Surprised Abraham and especially Tomori not in the squad, thought they were doing fine in Serie A. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpsaint Posted 10 November, 2022 Share Posted 10 November, 2022 Missing out on the Euro 2020 squad was harsher on JWP for me when he was a lot more involved in the squad in the run up. It’s probably not in his nature but if Southgate comes calling again for some pointless friendly I hope Prowsr tells him to shove it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 10 November, 2022 Share Posted 10 November, 2022 37 minutes ago, Saint86 said: Philips and Henderson have? JWP has been playing consistent all season, and his defensive work, interceptions, and general possession play have been solid. Saints have been poor from a possession and attacking/goal scoring/set piece perspective due to our more defensive setup - and that is behind his perceived worse form (i.e. minimal final 3rd contributions).... but that really is due to tactical setup and lack of quality in front of him. Fan's may not appreciate that, but you'd hope a manager can appreciate it enough to select him over Henderson and Philips - neither of which have seen much / any game time. He remains a player who could happily play every minute of that tournament if required, offers a quality set piece threat, and would do a respectable all round role in midfield. He is also a far better player than Philips anyway. Also tbf, rice has been very poor all season as well. Regardless, its bad news for saints, he's a key player for us and he will now have very little to play for and is unlikely to be in a good headspace for the rest of the season. Maybe he can get his head in the right space, but it equally sets a bad precedent - stay at saints and miss out on international football no matter how well you play (be it the euros or the world cups). Completely agree, hopefully Southgate gets the sack in a few weeks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee On Solent Saint Posted 10 November, 2022 Share Posted 10 November, 2022 10 minutes ago, Dman said: The Phillips hate continues, despite arguably being England’s best player at the euros. Im glad he’s in. Much better player and offers much more than JWP. Not sure how much he will offer after being injured for most of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dman Posted 10 November, 2022 Share Posted 10 November, 2022 1 minute ago, Lee On Solent Saint said: Not sure how much he will offer after being injured for most of the season. Maybe, maybe not. JWP has been absolutely shite though this season and shouldn’t be anywhere near the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydney_saint Posted 10 November, 2022 Share Posted 10 November, 2022 1 minute ago, Dman said: Maybe, maybe not. JWP has been absolutely shite though this season and shouldn’t be anywhere near the squad. Your contempt for JWP is utterly bizarre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydney_saint Posted 10 November, 2022 Share Posted 10 November, 2022 Even if JWP isn't in the team, what has Gallagher actually done to get called up? He had a good few months at Palace beginning of last season, then his form fell off, and he's been a bit part player for Chelsea without doing all that much. Eze should be ahead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarehamSaintJames Posted 10 November, 2022 Author Share Posted 10 November, 2022 Regardless of who the players included were, I don’t see us going past the knockout stages this time. We’ve been so poor since the Euro final, inconsistent squads, there isn’t a real identity to the way England play. As for JWP, yes I don’t think he’d done enough to go, but my word what have Gallagher, Phillips or Henderson done to warrant going? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dman Posted 10 November, 2022 Share Posted 10 November, 2022 3 minutes ago, sydney_saint said: Your contempt for JWP is utterly bizarre. Not really, it’s the truth. He’s been utterly crap this season. He’s also vastly, vastly overrated. One of our better players (not too difficult), but take away his free kicks and he’s extremely limited. Someone compared him to Harry winks, and they’re absolutely right. Lavia, at 18 or whatever he is, has come in and in a handful of games shown what a top class CM looks like. JWP isn’t one. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 10 November, 2022 Share Posted 10 November, 2022 31 minutes ago, cloggy saint said: Really? I know hyperbole is rampant on this forum but he most definitely hasn't been 'very poor'. I'd take him over JWP every time. Rice was head and shoulders better than JWP in the game earlier this season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 10 November, 2022 Share Posted 10 November, 2022 Are people really moaning about Henderson going instead of JWP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpsaint Posted 10 November, 2022 Share Posted 10 November, 2022 Just watching the Southgate press conference, he states one of the reasons he picked Maddison is that he likes the fact he always looks up for a forward pass, and not enough players do it in the modern game. Could be a subliminal nod in the direction of JWP who has often been criticised on here for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydney_saint Posted 10 November, 2022 Share Posted 10 November, 2022 3 minutes ago, Dman said: Not really, it’s the truth. He’s been utterly crap this season. He’s also vastly, vastly overrated. One of our better players (not too difficult), but take away his free kicks and he’s extremely limited. Someone compared him to Harry winks, and they’re absolutely right. Lavia, at 18 or whatever he is, has come in and in a handful of games shown what a top class CM looks like. JWP isn’t one. No it's not the truth. It's an opinion, and a bizarre contempt for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stknowle Posted 10 November, 2022 Share Posted 10 November, 2022 2 hours ago, goodymatt said: Really!!!? What a shocker that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 10 November, 2022 Share Posted 10 November, 2022 Having now seen the squad slightly gutted JWP hasn't made it over Conor Gallagher to be honest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danbert Posted 10 November, 2022 Share Posted 10 November, 2022 Not thatthey're going to the World Cup, of course, but Will Smallbone has been called up by Ireland for the first time 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambosa75 Posted 10 November, 2022 Share Posted 10 November, 2022 34 minutes ago, RedArmy said: Why? He’s been terrible this season and he’s only got himself to blame. He’s lucky to still be captain, a World Cup was never going to happen based on form. Because form aside, he is a committed, hard working professional who conducts himself well at all times and has narrowly missed out on making an England squad at a major tournament for the 2nd time in 3 years. For a player who has spent his entire career at Southampton thus far, it would have been the high point of his career. Unfortunately for him, his form has deserted him at the worst possible time. It happens and I sympathise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaptopSaint Posted 10 November, 2022 Share Posted 10 November, 2022 He's not been in the greatest form for sure, but at least he's played regular football. And he's as close to a guaranteed penalty-taker as you can get. Philips? Gallagher? Nah... Rice and Bellingham start, but after that the cupboard is pretty empty. I'm really disappointed for him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlanta Saint Posted 10 November, 2022 Share Posted 10 November, 2022 54 minutes ago, Dman said: The Phillips hate continues, despite arguably being England’s best player at the euros. Im glad he’s in. Much better player and offers much more than JWP. He's played one minute more than you and I have in the Premier League this season, so he shouldn't be too tired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 November, 2022 Share Posted 10 November, 2022 52 minutes ago, Noodles34 said: no Toney, really? I;d have had Toney or Abraham ahead of Rashford.I just dont rate Rashford at all, if he didnt play for Man United and do a lot of good work for charity he wouldn't be anywhere near the squad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 10 November, 2022 Share Posted 10 November, 2022 4 minutes ago, Turkish said: I;d have had Toney or Abraham ahead of Rashford.I just dont rate Rashford at all, if he didnt play for Man United and do a lot of good work for charity he wouldn't be anywhere near the squad. you forgot the word "mate" after charity....mate 😂 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwertyell Posted 10 November, 2022 Share Posted 10 November, 2022 48 minutes ago, skintsaint said: Surprised Abraham and especially Tomori not in the squad, thought they were doing fine in Serie A. Abraham has gone ice cold in front of goal this season. Think he's only scored twice. A real slump. Tomori seems to have basically been judged on Milan's two CL games against Chelsea, where he had a pretty mediocre game at Stamford Bridge, and then got (harshly) sent off after 20 minutes in the home game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dman Posted 10 November, 2022 Share Posted 10 November, 2022 34 minutes ago, sydney_saint said: No it's not the truth. It's an opinion, and a bizarre contempt for him. It’s an opinion shared by pretty much everyone, other than a few loons who support this club. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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