Patrick Bateman Posted 5 October, 2015 Share Posted 5 October, 2015 He was really good when he came on - looked a different player. Not that he's been "rubbish", but you could see more the impact he had on Sat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 5 October, 2015 Share Posted 5 October, 2015 Yeah, he had a great half on Saturday. Seemed more decisive in his decision making both with and without the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 5 October, 2015 Share Posted 5 October, 2015 Agreed, but can we afford to waste these opportunities whilst JWP is perfecting his art. I think there must also be a bit of ......what are the waiting players doing - when those crosses come in? JWP is fairly accurate, but sometimes we have " stationary figures " in the box who ought..... at least to be moving around / going for those crosses.... I think even Frank Lampard was still learning when he was 20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 5 October, 2015 Share Posted 5 October, 2015 Needs a goal, he gets in some good positions, I'm sure he'll come good. I thought Tadic was going to lay it off to him when mane took the pish out of Cahill... tadic did create good space for himself mind. good block by their defender Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 5 October, 2015 Share Posted 5 October, 2015 I think there must also be a bit of ......what are the waiting players doing - when those crosses come in? JWP is fairly accurate, but sometimes we have " stationary figures " in the box who ought..... at least to be moving around / going for those crosses.... I think even Frank Lampard was still learning when he was 20. I think Lampard would say he is still learning now. One of the old school who trained hard and put in extra time on honing his skills. As did David Beckham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 5 October, 2015 Share Posted 5 October, 2015 I think Lampard would say he is still learning now. One of the old school who trained hard and put in extra time on honing his skills. As did David Beckham. Absolutely. A model professional if ever I saw one. In JWP 's case (as it's his thread) I think we need to keep faith with his development, (but the occasional goal would silence some of his more vocal critics). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGalpin Posted 7 October, 2015 Share Posted 7 October, 2015 http://www.shoot.co.uk/100-appearances-now-ward-prowse-must-become-a-regular-starter/ Shameless levels of plugging I know, but I've written this week's Shoot Saints blog on James Ward Prowse making his 100th appearance for Saints. Any compliments or criticisms would be really helpful, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 7 October, 2015 Share Posted 7 October, 2015 http://www.shoot.co.uk/100-appearances-now-ward-prowse-must-become-a-regular-starter/ Shameless levels of plugging I know, but I've written this week's Shoot Saints blog on James Ward Prowse making his 100th appearance for Saints. Any compliments or criticisms would be really helpful, thanks. Well balanced article - from my perspective I am not looking for him to dominate a game or wrestle control of it, but more I am just waiting to see him define himself as a player. A part of that will be settling on a position and then making it his own. At the moment he has gaps in his skillset playing as an attacking midfielder and a defensive midfielder, and it's not good enough at the level we need to play at just to be 'ok' at the moment (especially in the centre of the park). 100 appearances in and we're still not too sure what his best position is because we're not sure what sort of player he is, so that will need to come soon, but he should definitely be afforded the opportunity to find it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 7 October, 2015 Share Posted 7 October, 2015 http://www.shoot.co.uk/100-appearances-now-ward-prowse-must-become-a-regular-starter/ Shameless levels of plugging I know, but I've written this week's Shoot Saints blog on James Ward Prowse making his 100th appearance for Saints. Any compliments or criticisms would be really helpful, thanks. Well done on a sensible appraisal of JWP who is slowly growing on me, but one thing on the grammar (sorry pedant alert). You say "Saints fans" with no apostrophes which is fine but then you say "Saints's triumph". I long ago stopped the comma bit because Saints fans or Saints triumph are like simple nouns being described. Does that make sense? Probably not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloridaSaint Posted 7 October, 2015 Share Posted 7 October, 2015 Well done on a sensible appraisal of JWP who is slowly growing on me, but one thing on the grammar (sorry pedant alert). You say "Saints fans" with no apostrophes which is fine but then you say "Saints's triumph". I long ago stopped the comma bit because Saints fans or Saints triumph are like simple nouns being described. Does that make sense? Probably not! With "Saints fans", Saints is modifier for the noun "fans." Whereas in "Saint's triumph", the triumph belongs to Saints - this is a possessive case and requires the apostrophe. Hope this helps! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris27687 Posted 7 October, 2015 Share Posted 7 October, 2015 I think he'll learn a lot from Jordy Clasie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 8 October, 2015 Share Posted 8 October, 2015 Well done on a sensible appraisal of JWP who is slowly growing on me, but one thing on the grammar (sorry pedant alert). You say "Saints fans" with no apostrophes which is fine but then you say "Saints's triumph". I long ago stopped the comma bit because Saints fans or Saints triumph are like simple nouns being described. Does that make sense? Probably not! With "Saints fans", Saints is modifier for the noun "fans." Whereas in "Saint's triumph", the triumph belongs to Saints - this is a possessive case and requires the apostrophe. Hope this helps! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 8 October, 2015 Share Posted 8 October, 2015 I think he'll learn a lot from Jordy Clasie. But probably not punctuation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alehouseboys Posted 8 October, 2015 Share Posted 8 October, 2015 http://www.shoot.co.uk/100-appearances-now-ward-prowse-must-become-a-regular-starter/ Shameless levels of plugging I know, but I've written this week's Shoot Saints blog on James Ward Prowse making his 100th appearance for Saints. Any compliments or criticisms would be really helpful, thanks. Too many skate references other than that, good article. With "Saints fans", Saints is modifier for the noun "fans." Whereas in "Saint's triumph", the triumph belongs to Saints - this is a possessive case and requires the apostrophe. Hope this helps! Or maybe...Saints'. ...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted 8 October, 2015 Share Posted 8 October, 2015 Not quite as reliable as Davis, who isn't as reliable as some others. He's decent though, and doesn't make so many mistakes that leave me on the edge of my seat/instill so little confidence every match, like Targett does. Think he's got a lot more than 'set-piece delivery', though I think with an on-form Tadic and with Virgil able to take freekicks, it's not as big requirement. That being said, I do think he's very very good at finding space for the man on the ball, and is fairly reasonable at passing the ball about the park. He's not got an incredible shot, but that's not such a big necessity when he plays deeper and deeper just in front of the back four. Crossing is excellent, and he did a fine job on the right wing against Utd (against, to be fair, Rojo, so not exactly world class but still). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 8 October, 2015 Share Posted 8 October, 2015 With "Saints fans", Saints is modifier for the noun "fans." Whereas in "Saint's triumph", the triumph belongs to Saints - this is a possessive case and requires the apostrophe. Hope this helps! If by "Saint's triumph" you mean "the triumph belongs to a Saint", (one individual Saint) you are right, if not, the triumph belongs to Saints would be "Saints' triumph" or if you like "Saints's triumph" (but I just think that looks ugly nowadays and it is rarely used), because Saints as a single unit referring to the football club is singular. It's not even that easy to explain because triumph is a noun and a verb and "the Saints triumph" can refer to the triumph belonging to Saints (the Saints' triumph) or the act of triumphing (The Saints triumph) as used in newspaper headlines which also changes where the apostrophe is. So to clarify, I'm using cat instead: "The Saint's cat" is a cat belonging to an individual Saint. "The Saints' cat" is a cat belonging to the football club. " The Saints " is a football club, which is one group of Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano6 Posted 8 October, 2015 Share Posted 8 October, 2015 Does anyone think of the word "Saints" as having its original meaning of religious holy people any more? To me it's just a sound that means the shortened form of Southampton (from a Football perspective), like the word Soton (for the city), devoid of any other context or usage. It was weird to me just then to think about it further and realise that our name means exceptionally holy people that have been canonised by the Vatican. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintZamboni Posted 8 October, 2015 Share Posted 8 October, 2015 Does anyone think of the word "Saints" as having its original meaning of religious holy people any more? To me it's just a sound that means the shortened form of Southampton (from a Football perspective), like the word Soton (for the city), devoid of any other context or usage. It was weird to me just then to think about it further and realise that our name means exceptionally holy people that have been canonised by the Vatican. Smoking the good stuff today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted 8 October, 2015 Share Posted 8 October, 2015 Does anyone think of the word "Saints" as having its original meaning of religious holy people any more? To me it's just a sound that means the shortened form of Southampton (from a Football perspective), like the word Soton (for the city), devoid of any other context or usage. It was weird to me just then to think about it further and realise that our name means exceptionally holy people that have been canonised by the Vatican. I do for what it's worth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGalpin Posted 8 October, 2015 Share Posted 8 October, 2015 Well balanced article - from my perspective I am not looking for him to dominate a game or wrestle control of it, but more I am just waiting to see him define himself as a player. A part of that will be settling on a position and then making it his own. At the moment he has gaps in his skillset playing as an attacking midfielder and a defensive midfielder, and it's not good enough at the level we need to play at just to be 'ok' at the moment (especially in the centre of the park). 100 appearances in and we're still not too sure what his best position is because we're not sure what sort of player he is, so that will need to come soon, but he should definitely be afforded the opportunity to find it. Well done on a sensible appraisal of JWP who is slowly growing on me, but one thing on the grammar (sorry pedant alert). You say "Saints fans" with no apostrophes which is fine but then you say "Saints's triumph". I long ago stopped the comma bit because Saints fans or Saints triumph are like simple nouns being described. Does that make sense? Probably not! Too many skate references other than that, good article. Thanks, appreciate it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 7 August, 2018 Share Posted 7 August, 2018 Watford make £10m bid for Southampton star James Ward-Prowse with Javi Garcia keen to bolster midfield: https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/6962681/watford-james-ward-prowse-bid-southampton-javi-garcia/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 7 August, 2018 Share Posted 7 August, 2018 Young, english, 4-5 years left on his contract, over 100 PL apperances. £10m? Have watford been on the sauce? £30m+. (I'd expect a similar price to Greleash or Maddison if we were to sell him). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 7 August, 2018 Share Posted 7 August, 2018 Given he has four years left on his current contract, I'd say the chances of us accepting that offer are close to zero, if there is any semblance of truth to it at all. In this market, it would have to be at least double that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 7 August, 2018 Share Posted 7 August, 2018 Young, english, 4-5 years left on his contract, over 100 PL apperances. £10m? Have watford been on the sauce? £30m+. (I'd expect a similar price to Greleash or Maddison if we were to sell him). Exactly. Richarlison money in their bank account too, £30m would be the level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 7 August, 2018 Share Posted 7 August, 2018 But ... (and I am just putting the counter argument here, not my own opinion) .. we have just been offered £10M for a bench player. We have to sell to buy, and that £10-15M (if we make them a counter offer) would allow us to bring in a striker. Where do we see our greater need - a goal scorer, or another water carrier? My own opinion FWIW - turn it down, we're not selling him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 7 August, 2018 Share Posted 7 August, 2018 Ludicrous. I still think he can be one of our more effective midfielders this season. There is a lot more to him than dead ball situations. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 7 August, 2018 Share Posted 7 August, 2018 But ... (and I am just putting the counter argument here, not my own opinion) .. we have just been offered £10M for a bench player. We have to sell to buy, and that £10-15M (if we make them a counter offer) would allow us to bring in a striker. Where do we see our greater need - a goal scorer, or another water carrier? My own opinion FWIW - turn it down, we're not selling him. I can't see how it's a case that we have to sell to raise revenue, I think it is to do with FFP and our wage ceiling, well I hope so anyway.... If we could have got rid of Fraser it would have helped a lot.....but given he's still here, I think it's pretty clear that we're paying him obscene wages which no club are prepared to match. That leaves us in a pretty crappy situation in terms of being able to add additions. If it was just down to selling to raise funds, then we’d have seen the likes of Tragett, Gallagher and Reed go IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 7 August, 2018 Share Posted 7 August, 2018 But ... (and I am just putting the counter argument here, not my own opinion) .. we have just been offered £10M for a bench player. We have to sell to buy, and that £10-15M (if we make them a counter offer) would allow us to bring in a striker. Where do we see our greater need - a goal scorer, or another water carrier? My own opinion FWIW - turn it down, we're not selling him.Do you think we could get an upgrade on Long, Gabbiadini, Gallagher or Austin for £10-15m? Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verlaine1979 Posted 7 August, 2018 Share Posted 7 August, 2018 I can't see how it's a case that we have to sell to raise revenue, I think it is to do with FFP and our wage ceiling, well I hope so anyway.... If we could have got rid of Fraser it would have helped a lot.....but given he's still here, I think it's pretty clear that we're paying him obscene wages which no club are prepared to match. That leaves us in a pretty crappy situation in terms of being able to add additions. If it was just down to selling to raise funds, then we’d have seen the likes of Tragett, Gallagher and Reed go IMO. I don't buy it - under FFP you can increase the wage bill by £7m each year, plus apply additional commercial and player trading revenue to increase your wage ceiling if you want. We've removed two of our most senior players from last year's wagebill (Tadic and VVD) and haven't replaced them with anyone who'd command anything like an established PL wage. I wouldn't be at all surprised if you could cover all our incoming wages this season just from the space freed up by Tadic and VVD, without even touching the additional £135k a week FFP allows you to add as a baseline. We aren't buying because we're cash constrained in terms of transfer fees, not wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosin Posted 7 August, 2018 Share Posted 7 August, 2018 Ludicrous. I still think he can be one of our more effective midfielders this season. There is a lot more to him than dead ball situations. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 7 August, 2018 Share Posted 7 August, 2018 Good player, absolutely no chance we'd sell for £10m. Start at £30m + addons. Hope he nails down a starting place this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 7 August, 2018 Share Posted 7 August, 2018 Do you think we could get an upgrade on Long, Gabbiadini, Gallagher or Austin for £10-15m? That would be difficult. £10m buys half a donkey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintstr1 Posted 7 August, 2018 Share Posted 7 August, 2018 It would be totally wrong to sell him even for £20 million, A very valuable squad member who is Southampton through & through , thanks but NO THANKS Watford Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roo1976 Posted 7 August, 2018 Share Posted 7 August, 2018 That would be difficult. £10m buys half a donkey. Well if £10m buys half a donkey we must have been shopping at the kids petting zoo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwbu Posted 7 August, 2018 Share Posted 7 August, 2018 Im still adamant we are better when he plays, be very disappointed if he goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue_Saint Posted 7 August, 2018 Share Posted 7 August, 2018 Sell him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellman Posted 7 August, 2018 Share Posted 7 August, 2018 Does anyone think of the word "Saints" as having its original meaning of religious holy people any more? To me it's just a sound that means the shortened form of Southampton (from a Football perspective), like the word Soton (for the city), devoid of any other context or usage. It was weird to me just then to think about it further and realise that our name means exceptionally holy people that have been canonised by the Vatican. Forget the Vatican, our Saints come from St Mary's the mother church of Southampton as I am sure you know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 7 August, 2018 Share Posted 7 August, 2018 Sell him.Evening. Utterly predictable, but took you long enough! Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu Posted 7 August, 2018 Share Posted 7 August, 2018 I like him as a rotation option. However, if this is a sell to buy type situation, I'll accept his departure in exchange for a new striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 7 August, 2018 Share Posted 7 August, 2018 what a weird situation to be in, having to sell to buy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suomi Saint Posted 7 August, 2018 Share Posted 7 August, 2018 Personally, I think he is an excellent player, and it would be utter madness to sell him at all, let alone for 10M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 7 August, 2018 Share Posted 7 August, 2018 what a weird situation to be in, having to sell to buy Who says? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 7 August, 2018 Share Posted 7 August, 2018 Who says? Mark Hughes - according to The DE: Mark Hughes has admitted that Saints will probably need to move players on before they could consider signing anybody else, and that means plenty of work still to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 7 August, 2018 Share Posted 7 August, 2018 £10 mil, I’d bite their ****ing hands off. He plays like he’s washed up and he’s still youngish. Wake up and smell the coffee, he’s not going to improve Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larry12 Posted 7 August, 2018 Share Posted 7 August, 2018 £10 mil, I’d bite their ****ing hands off. He plays like he’s washed up and he’s still youngish. Wake up and smell the coffee, he’s not going to improve Have I now morphed into Lord Duckhunter? I will drive him up to Watford myself. Mr Ploddy Plod, not Lord Duckhunter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 7 August, 2018 Share Posted 7 August, 2018 £10 mil, I’d bite their ****ing hands off. He plays like he’s washed up and he’s still youngish. Wake up and smell the coffee, he’s not going to improve Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkYou seriously think you could replace him for £10m? It constantly amazes me that he has so many detractors who can't see what he brings to the team. An attacking three of JWP, Elyounoussi and Armstrong/Redmond could be very effective. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 7 August, 2018 Share Posted 7 August, 2018 Ludicrous. I still think he can be one of our more effective midfielders this season. There is a lot more to him than dead ball situations. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk How many years has someone said that this season will be his break through year ? Every manager he’s had has tried to find a place for him only to end up benching him again eventually, most sooner rather than later. If there is more to him than being the go to dead ball specialist then I’m still to see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 7 August, 2018 Share Posted 7 August, 2018 £10 mil, I’d bite their ****ing hands off. He plays like he’s washed up and he’s still youngish. Wake up and smell the coffee, he’s not going to improve Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Shame you cannot appreciate the value JWP brings to the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 7 August, 2018 Share Posted 7 August, 2018 £10 mil, I’d bite their ****ing hands off. He plays like he’s washed up and he’s still youngish. Wake up and smell the coffee, he’s not going to improve Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalkthen you are round the twist and thank fck your not in charge. If you think 10m is going to be accepted for Les love child....25m at least jf Maddison is that Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridge Posted 7 August, 2018 Share Posted 7 August, 2018 SELL he will never make it at Saints...He needs a change of club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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