James Ward-Prowse

[Wade Garrett]

I’ve read on the Ugly Inside that he isn’t playing today as he’s ‘injured’.

[TWar]

1 minute ago, Wade Garrett said:

I’ve read on the Ugly Inside that he isn’t playing today as he’s ‘injured’.

 

[SuperSAINT]

 

 

[Wade Garrett]

23 minutes ago, TWar said:

 

I always thought it was genuine 😉

[LGTL]

Blackmore is such a little club lap dog these days.

[Saint86]

9 hours ago, LGTL said:

Blackmore is such a little club lap dog these days.

He always has been... 

[CityRanger]

Nixon saying the JWP interest isn’t over

 

[Saint Garrett]

Just do not see it happening, unless it’s silly money £60-70m

[JRM]

On 07/08/2021 at 15:31, LGTL said:

Blackmore is such a little club lap dog these days.

Makes me laugh he never challenges Ralph on his tactical errors or asks difficult questions of the club. And it's hardly a conspiracy theory, we know there's firm interest / bids for JWP at the same time a man who hasn't missed a game for two years suddenly has a knock  and his mate Danny has gone to Villa. Don't see why anyone would trust a word the club say on this. 

I think we'll set the asking price too high for anyone to pay but it will rumble on for next few weeks. 

[SuperSAINT]

8 hours ago, Saint Garrett said:

Just do not see it happening, unless it’s silly money £60-70m

Dont think villa will go THAT high… but I’m sure they’ll go pretty big.

[Billy the Kidd]

10 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said:

Dont think villa will go THAT high… but I’m sure they’ll go pretty big.

Yep, I can see them around the £40-45m mark, and I think we will be very tempted in that.

At the same time, if Yannick goes, think we will keep JWP one more year and he will be allowed to leave then.

[MarkSFC]

So if we do sell JWP for say 50m (Ithink it should be higher but doubt they will go higher) and Vestergaard for 20m, add that to the Ings money and suddenly we c.100m "to spend". 

If this allowed us to get Abraham (my top striker pick), this Broja kid permanantly(who looks exciting), Ox on loan, Delaney, Doig (or another LB), a CB and even a GK, I reckon that would be worth it. 

As good as JWP is, I'm more concerned with the overall strength of the team and the squad. 

[TWar]

8 hours ago, CityRanger said:

Nixon saying the JWP interest isn’t over

 

He's had a few conflicts with local journo's this window. Also arguing with the Pinkun about whether Norwich have put in a record bid for Armstrong.

I like Nixon but I'm inclined to side with Blackmore/Leach/Sheldon who have all said it's widely unlikely/aint happening. They are about as reliable as it gets for club news. Maybe on Villa's end they think we are bluffing and are prepping a £35m-£40m bid and Nixon got word of this but I really don't think we are to be honest.

[SKD]

6 minutes ago, TWar said:

He's had a few conflicts with local journo's this window. Also arguing with the Pinkun about whether Norwich have put in a record bid for Armstrong.

I like Nixon but I'm inclined to side with Blackmore/Leach/Sheldon who have all said it's widely unlikely/aint happening. They are about as reliable as it gets for club news. Maybe on Villa's end they think we are bluffing and are prepping a £35m-£40m bid and Nixon got word of this but I really don't think we are to be honest.

Come on mate, you’re surely intelligent enough to know Blackmore is a club stooge. 

Sheldon, imo, is clueless. 

Nixon, likely getting his info from Villa or JWP side. 

[TWar]

Also not really getting this "Blackmore is a lapdop" thing.

Firstly he's a well respected journalist for the BBC who's been operating for years, I can't see him putting his rep on the line to lie for the club over this one so definitively, maybe say "it's unlikely he goes" but saying it's impossible and then it happening weeks later would severely damage trust in him. 

Secondly, if he is being a club mouthpiece and they are announcing to the fanbase JWP isn't going anywhere then surely that's even better. If they were considering a deal for him it's much more likely they'd be trotting out the "he's important but every player has his price" line so that if/when they sold him they could be like "well it's a lot of money which will really help the team". Saying he definitively isn't off and is our #1 most important player and then selling him weeks later is suicide from a PR standpoint. Big him up, make people confident, and then dash it. Why would they do that? What's to gain?

[TWar]

Also not really getting this "Blackmore is a lapdog/stooge" thing.

Firstly he's a well respected journalist for the BBC who's been operating for years, I can't see him putting his rep on the line to lie for the club over this one so definitively, maybe say "it's unlikely he goes" but saying it's impossible and then it happening weeks later would severely damage trust in him. 

Secondly, if he is being a club mouthpiece and they are announcing to the fanbase JWP isn't going anywhere then surely that's even better. If they were considering a deal for him it's much more likely they'd be trotting out the "he's important but every player has his price" line and "he's good but he's no better than the rest of the team" so that if/when they sold him they could be like "well it's a lot of money which will really help the team". Saying he definitively isn't off and is our #1 most important player and then selling him weeks later is suicide from a PR standpoint. Big him up, make people confident, and then dash it. Why would they do that? What's to gain?

Edited 9 August, 2021 by TWar

[TWar]

2 minutes ago, SKD said:

Come on mate, you’re surely intelligent enough to know Blackmore is a club stooge. 

Sheldon, imo, is clueless. 

Nixon, likely getting his info from Villa or JWP side. 

See my above response. Preempted this "stooge" argument somewhat.

[SKD]

1 minute ago, TWar said:

Also not really getting this "Blackmore is a lapdop" thing.

Firstly he's a well respected journalist for the BBC who's been operating for years, I can't see him putting his rep on the line to lie for the club over this one so definitively, maybe say "it's unlikely he goes" but saying it's impossible and then it happening weeks later would severely damage trust in him. 

Secondly, if he is being a club mouthpiece and they are announcing to the fanbase JWP isn't going anywhere then surely that's even better. If they were considering a deal for him it's much more likely they'd be trotting out the "he's important but every player has his price" line so that if/when they sold him they could be like "well it's a lot of money which will really help the team". Saying he definitively isn't off and is our #1 most important player and then selling him weeks later is suicide from a PR standpoint. Big him up, make people confident, and then dash it. Why would they do that? What's to gain?

Blackmore is certainly a club mouthpiece. It’s within his interests (exclusives etc.) to maintain a solid relationship with the club. 

I suspect the clubs stance is that he’s not for sale. Personally, I don’t think he’ll go this window. however, I won’t dismiss the Nixon story. Perhaps Villa still think that they can persuade us with an offer (which if a big one comes in, we’ll consider 100%, or perhaps they’re still getting encouragement from JWP. 
 

Basically, I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. 

[CB Fry]

6 minutes ago, SKD said:

Come on mate, you’re surely intelligent enough to know Blackmore is a club stooge. 

Sheldon, imo, is clueless. 

Nixon, likely getting his info from Villa or JWP side. 

In summary you believe the source that backs up your already existing "we're going to sell everything because we're useless and shit with no ambition" position.

If Blackmore was a "club stooge" then he'd be tasked with "softening up" the fanbase in preparation for this inevitable sale. So I don't think you understand what a "stooge" is, you just don't want to believe he's not being sold.

[TWar]

1 minute ago, SKD said:

Blackmore is certainly a club mouthpiece. It’s within his interests (exclusives etc.) to maintain a solid relationship with the club. 

I suspect the clubs stance is that he’s not for sale. Personally, I don’t think he’ll go this window. however, I won’t dismiss the Nixon story. Perhaps Villa still think that they can persuade us with an offer (which if a big one comes in, we’ll consider 100%, or perhaps they’re still getting encouragement from JWP. 
 

Basically, I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. 

Yeah as I say, I think Villa think they can get him and will make an offer and we know whatever they suggest will be a no. Nixon heard villa will make an offer from villa sources and Blackmore heard we will say no from Southampton directly, in his role as mouthpiece. 

For the record I do agree Blackmore is a mouthpiece, but I've never seen him lie for the club, correct me if I'm wrong. I also just don't think the club would use their mouthpieces to say how brilliant and not for sale and vital an asset is if they were, infact, considering offers. Just seems like a really silly and unnecessary way to piss off a fanbase.

[TWar]

1 minute ago, CB Fry said:

In summary you believe the source that backs up your already existing "we're going to sell everything because we're useless and shit with no ambition" position.

If Blackmore was a "club stooge" then he'd be tasked with "softening up" the fanbase in preparation for this inevitable sale. So I don't think you understand what a "stooge" is, you just don't want to believe he's not being sold.

This is my point but much more succinctly.

[Sunglasses Ron]

Seems pretty obvious to me, he's not for sale unless a crazy offer comes in.

If Villa offered >£50m I don't think anyone could hammer the club (or Blackmore) as that would be lunacy on their behalf IMO. 

[ErwinK1961]

I read the Nixon comment simply as Villa still would like JWP - which I'm sure they do. Doesn't mean we will sell though. Imagine they will bid £35m, we will reject it, they will move onto someone else.

Ings and JV to go this year, suspect JWP will go next year.

As an aside, isnt JWP due a testimonial this season?

[SKD]

Just now, CB Fry said:

In summary you believe the source that backs up your already existing "we're going to sell everything because we're useless and shit with no ambition" position.

If Blackmore was a "club stooge" then he'd be tasked with "softening up" the fanbase in preparation for this inevitable sale. So I don't think you understand what a "stooge" is, you just don't want to believe he's not being sold.

Read my second post. Clearly says I don’t think we’ll sale this window. 

However, history has shown, that everything is for sale for the right price at SFC. I don’t believe that we can say no one is ‘definitely’ staying. If villa come in and offer 50-60m, he’s gone. 

Stooge perhaps the wrong word, however he’s certainly a club mouthpiece. As I said, truth likely somewhere in the middle. 

[ErwinK1961]

Just now, SKD said:

Read my second post. Clearly says I don’t think we’ll sale this window. 

However, history has shown, that everything is for sale for the right price at SFC. I don’t believe that we can say no one is ‘definitely’ staying. If villa come in and offer 50-60m, he’s gone. 

Stooge perhaps the wrong word, however he’s certainly a club mouthpiece. As I said, truth likely somewhere in the middle. 

Everything's for sale at every club, at the right price.

Someone offering us over double what JWP is realistically worth, course we would sell. As would most teams.

[TWar]

1 minute ago, SKD said:

Read my second post. Clearly says I don’t think we’ll sale this window. 

However, history has shown, that everything is for sale for the right price at SFC. I don’t believe that we can say no one is ‘definitely’ staying. If villa come in and offer 50-60m, he’s gone. 

Stooge perhaps the wrong word, however he’s certainly a club mouthpiece. As I said, truth likely somewhere in the middle. 

Everything is for sale everywhere for the right price, that's capitalism!

If we got offered more than JWP is worth to us I very much hope we would take it, no shame in selling an asset for over it's value. I just feel JWP is worth about £70m to us and about £45m to a potential suitor so I don't see him leaving at all. Maybe next season if he smashes it and city/liverpool/united/chelsea come in, but probably not until then

[CB Fry]

7 minutes ago, SKD said:

Read my second post. Clearly says I don’t think we’ll sale this window. 

However, history has shown, that everything is for sale for the right price at SFC. I don’t believe that we can say no one is ‘definitely’ staying. If villa come in and offer 50-60m, he’s gone. 

Stooge perhaps the wrong word, however he’s certainly a club mouthpiece. As I said, truth likely somewhere in the middle. 

Show me where Blackmore has said JWP is "definitely" staying?

I would think Blackmore would agree with the analysis of the situation you've just laid out (he has said as much on twitter and broadcast) - so why are you allowed to say it but if Blackmore says the same thing he's a "stooge" or a "mouthpiece".

Are you a club mouthpiece now?

Edited 9 August, 2021 by CB Fry

[Turkish]

Vestergaard will go, that'll be our only other sale this summer. If we stay up JWP will be our big sale next summer which will fund our transfer business then. Probably to fund a new goalkeeper as at least one of Forster or McCarthy will be off, perhaps both. Diallo will step up to be his replacement and some of the money will be used to finance the new Diallo. Some youngster from France or Spain that we've never heard of. We wont spend all the income either summer, there will be a fair bit left over.

Obviously if we go down we'll be forced to sell everyone we can replacing them with cheap, free or loans.

You heard it here first.

Edited 9 August, 2021 by Turkish

[TWar]

3 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Show me where Blackmore has said JWP is "definitely" staying?

I would think Blackmore would agree with the analysis of the situation you've just laid out - so why are you allowed to say it but if Blackmore says the same thing he's a "stooge" or a "mouthpiece".

Are you a club mouthpiece now?

 

In fairness, he has basically said that in this tweet where is says "Southampton captain James Ward-Prowse is going nowhere this window"

[SKD]

2 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Show me where Blackmore has said JWP is "definitely" staying?

I would think Blackmore would agree with the analysis of the situation you've just laid out - so why are you allowed to say it but if Blackmore says the same thing he's a "stooge" or a "mouthpiece".

Are you a club mouthpiece now?

Sorry, the word definitely wasn’t used. He said ‘he’s going nowhere in this window’. Basically the same thing, but so so. 

I’m not too sure what your argument even is here? Blackmore clearly gets his information from the club and relays that. The club are unlikely to give negative information and in the interests of keeping the club happy, Blackmore is unlikely to publish negative information (without clarifying from the club first). 

My point was to TW’s comment about believing Blackmore and not Nixon. 

[Maya's Dad]

38 minutes ago, MarkSFC said:

So if we do sell JWP for say 50m (Ithink it should be higher but doubt they will go higher) and Vestergaard for 20m, add that to the Ings money and suddenly we c.100m "to spend". 

it would also leave us with a team nobody decent would want to join

[CB Fry]

17 minutes ago, SKD said:

Sorry, the word definitely wasn’t used. He said ‘he’s going nowhere in this window’. Basically the same thing, but so so. 

I’m not too sure what your argument even is here? Blackmore clearly gets his information from the club and relays that. The club are unlikely to give negative information and in the interests of keeping the club happy, Blackmore is unlikely to publish negative information (without clarifying from the club first). 

My point was to TW’s comment about believing Blackmore and not Nixon. 

My point is that if Villa suddenly bid £50m we'd likely take it, but that is not some insight exclusive to you that the "club stooges/mouthpieces" have been tasked to hush up and fool the fans about - ask Blackmore that and he'd agree. He's said as much on Solent before anyway.

You're making out Blackmore is some North Korean propagandist for the club when he isn't.

[SKD]

2 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

My point is that if Villa suddenly bid £50m we'd likely take it, but that is not some insight exclusive to you that the "club stooges/mouthpieces" have been tasked to hush up and fool the fans about - ask Blackmore that and he'd agree. He's said as much on Solent before anyway.

You're making out Blackmore is some North Korean propagandist for the club when he isn't.

When have I said / made that out? 😂 all I’m saying is Blackmore gets his info from the club and is likely prone to publish positive information to keep relationships sweet. 

As said in the transfer thread, villa wouldn’t be wasting their time if they didn’t feel like they had a chance.
 

Truth somewhere in the middle so take all of the information and make your own judgement on it. 

[Matthew Le God]

1 hour ago, SKD said:

Villa wouldn’t be wasting their time if they didn’t feel like they had a chance.

Do you think they thought they had a chance of signing Emile Smith Rowe? 

[Saint Garrett]

4 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Do you think they thought they had a chance of signing Emile Smith Rowe? 

Yes - or they wouldn't have bid for him.

[Matthew Le God]

3 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said:

Yes - or they wouldn't have bid for him.

Do you think it was based on feedback from his camp? Because Arsenal rejected multiple bids and then he signed a new contract. So Villa clearly misread the situation, perhaps they have with Ward-Prowse as well!

Edited 9 August, 2021 by Matthew Le God

[Saint Garrett]

Just now, Matthew Le God said:

Do you think it was a chance based on feedback from his camp? Because Arsenal rejected multiple bids and then he signed a new contract. So Villa clearly misread the situation, perhaps they have with Ward-Prowse as well!

Possibly he / his agent showed he was interested, perhaps Arsenal were looking to raise funds and they tested the water, who knows, I wasnt involved in negotiations, but it's pretty rare that a club bids for a player if the player and club will 100% say no..

Villa know we're skint and if they offer enough, we will likely accept, but it would have to be a huge bid for us to consider I think.

[S-Clarke]

3 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said:

Yes - or they wouldn't have bid for him.

If i'm honest, I think Villa were used in this situation. He was speaking to Arsenal about a new contract and in comes a bid from Villa, which would have definitely included a pay rise for the player based on what he was currently on at Arsenal.

So I imagine that pushed his agents to get Arsenal to lift their offer a little more, and low and behold the Villa bid goes no where and he signs the new contract at Arsenal on better wages than they originally offered.

That's the murky world of agents for you.

[Lord Duckhunter]

Bids for players don’t suddenly come out of nowhere. Clubs only bid for players once the said player has indicated he’s up for a discussion. If JWP or his people had told Villa “fuck off, I’m not interested in the slightest”, they’d not have made the bid.

[Chapel End]

1 minute ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Bids for players don’t suddenly come out of nowhere. Clubs only bid for players once the said player has indicated he’s up for a discussion. If JWP or his people had told Villa “fuck off, I’m not interested in the slightest”, they’d not have made the bid.

Why you post this when you actually have no idea what goes on.

You just want to believe certain things 

[Lord Duckhunter]

Just now, Chapel End said:

Why you post this when you actually have no idea what goes on.

You just want to believe certain things 

What, you really believe that players aren’t tapped up before bids are submitted ? Lol 😂 I guess you still believe in the tooth fairy. 
 

My nephew is at a championship club, so I do have a bit of a clue. Other than that, great point well made. 

[Matthew Le God]

3 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

My nephew is at a championship club

In what role?

[Chapel End]

1 minute ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

What, you really believe that players aren’t tapped up before bids are submitted ? Lol 😂 I guess you still believe in the tooth fairy. 
 

My nephew is at a championship club, so I do have a bit of a clue. Other than that, great point well made. 

Lol, you don't have a clue at all and are just guessing because your nephew said it happens doesn't mean it happens everywhere but crack on .

 

[OldNick]

2 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

In what role?

Great point, may be the mascot on a matchday

[TWar]

I imagine if we accepted a deal for JWP and it had a decent pay rise he'd be off. Similarly I think if we didn't he'd be happy to stay. The thing stopping the deal likely isnt JWP's lack of interest, it's our refusal to lose him alongside Ings and Vest in one summer when he is our most important player (inc. Ings and Vest)

[AlexLaw76]

I have heard that JwP and Saints are not against a move (to Villa), if the bid (and money up front) is big enough.  North of £40m.

Until such time as bids no where near that mark are received, we continue to "not want to see our skipper"

[Chapel End]

2 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

In what role?

Special advisor to all players, agents and all clubs it seems 🤣

[Chapel End]

Just now, AlexLaw76 said:

I have heard that JwP and Saints are not against a move (to Villa), if the bid (and money up front) is big enough.  North of £40m.

Until such time as bids no where near that mark are received, we continue to "not want to see our skipper"

Do you know ducks nephew to then ?😉

[Saint Garrett]

Just now, AlexLaw76 said:

I have heard that JwP and Saints are not against a move (to Villa), if the bid (and money up front) is big enough.  North of £40m.

Until such time as bids no where near that mark are received, we continue to "not want to see our skipper"

Not what I was told by a mate of mine who spoke directly to him...

I was told he wants to stay, but "unsure what the club will do". Clearly he was aware the club needed to raise funds for transfers, but this was before Ings went.

I'm pretty certain he will stay, unless it's silly money (£60-70m), which then is fair enough for the club to accept. It will take something ridiculous for him to leave now though IMO.

[OldNick]

1 minute ago, Saint Garrett said:

Not what I was told by a mate of mine who spoke directly to him...

I was told he wants to stay, but "unsure what the club will do". Clearly he was aware the club needed to raise funds for transfers, but this was before Ings went.

I'm pretty certain he will stay, unless it's silly money (£60-70m), which then is fair enough for the club to accept. It will take something ridiculous for him to leave now though IMO.

Always interesting when a player doesnt say 'definitely not' but leaves it open. AKA Ings who didnt even tell his dad he was going to Villa, I doubt if he was leaving he would tell a stranger the info. Players have to be guarded nowadays