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Appy

Appy

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  On 30/07/2021 at 15:10, SKD said:

I agree with the opinion that he’ll stay. Which kind of proves he’s not worth 50£m, if other clubs aren’t willing to pay it though? No? 

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He’s worth 50-60m to us. 
 

He isn’t worth that to other clubs. 
 

Which is why he’ll stay. 
 

Wouldn’t put it past us to accept 40n though. 

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le_tiss

le_tiss

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  On 30/07/2021 at 15:13, Appy said:

He’s worth 50-60m to us. 
 

He isn’t worth that to other clubs. 
 

Which is why he’ll stay. 
 

Wouldn’t put it past us to accept 40n though. 

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also depends how desperate we are for Cash :rolleyes: and whether it is all upfront with sell on clause / trophy clauses, Champions league, england caps etc. or Structured over a number of years

SKD

SKD

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  On 30/07/2021 at 15:13, Appy said:

He’s worth 50-60m to us. 
 

He isn’t worth that to other clubs. 
 

Which is why he’ll stay. 
 

Wouldn’t put it past us to accept 40n though. 

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The only reason he’ll leave is If the player wants to leave. In which case, he won’t go for as much as white. 
 

imo, he’ll stay this season and move next. 

Smirking_Saint

Smirking_Saint

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  On 06/07/2021 at 16:08, Lord Duckhunter said:

I could say my house is worth 1.4 million, but if someone’s only willing to pay 450k, it’s worth 450k. Alternatively, I could take it off the market because nobody will pay the asking price. That still doesn’t make it worth 1.4 million. 

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Which is a completely irrelevant point and has nothing to do with the intricacies of the market

To put it another way then, I don't want to sell my house but theres a wealthy landowner wants to buy it to demolish it.... its only worth 450k but I won't sell unless he offers me 1.5m plus.... which makes what its worth again somewhat irrelevant

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Millbrook Saint

Millbrook Saint

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Quite frankly offering us that is an insult and if I was the club I'd tell them that it's £75m or nothing, no addons, cold hard cash, now, who do they think they are, if they want to start acting all billy big bollix by spending half the transfer window trying to unsettle our player, then put your money where your mouth is and pay what we want, instead of going all spurs on us, another joke club

AlexLaw76

AlexLaw76

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  On 30/07/2021 at 15:31, Millbrook Saint said:

Quite frankly offering us that is an insult and if I was the club I'd tell them that it's £75m or nothing, no addons, cold hard cash, now, who do they think they are, if they want to start acting all billy big bollix by spending half the transfer window trying to unsettle our player, then put your money where your mouth is and pay what we want, instead of going all spurs on us, another joke club

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we do exactly the same to most players we want to buy.  Why do you think we have only signed a LB, despite Ralph saying we need more players.

 

SKD

SKD

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  On 30/07/2021 at 15:33, AlexLaw76 said:

we do exactly the same to most players we want to buy.  Why do you think we have only signed a LB, despite Ralph saying we need more players.

 

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Exactly. Didn’t see the uproar when we offered Blackburn half of what they want for Armstrong. 
 

Villa, like everyone, know we sell anything that’s not battened down. Of course they’re going to test the water with a low offer. It’s called negotiation. 

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Smirking_Saint

Smirking_Saint

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  On 30/07/2021 at 14:07, SKD said:

Ward Prowse wouldnt fetch as much as Ben White. No chance. 
 

FWIW, white was criminally over priced. 

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Im not sure he is;

- Top young CB

- Breaks into England team

- Breakthrough year last year

- Brighton don't want to sell

- English tax

Matthew Le God

Matthew Le God

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  On 30/07/2021 at 15:34, SKD said:

Villa, like everyone, know we sell anything that’s not battened down. Of course they’re going to test the water with a low offer. It’s called negotiation. 

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Toe dipping the bath water shouldn't go that low. Villa have barely put a toenail in, let alone a whole toe!

Getting Ready Daffy Duck GIF by Looney Tunes

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Millbrook Saint

Millbrook Saint

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  On 30/07/2021 at 15:34, SKD said:

Exactly. Didn’t see the uproar when we offered Blackburn half of what they want for Armstrong. 
 

Villa, like everyone, know we sell anything that’s not battened down. Of course they’re going to test the water with a low offer. It’s called negotiation. 

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A couple of differences there, firstly Armstrong is in the last year of his contact, like it or not they have to sell and know it, we've been stung that way, crap but what can you do, secondly we haven't spent half the transfer window trying to unsettle a player who clearly isn't for sale with 'briefings' to various ex players and friendly media, followed up by insulting the club you wish to buy the player from, he has a long contract so I'd add a villa clause of an additional £25m on top of the £50m we'd have taken for him if they hadn't been knobs

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revolution saint

revolution saint

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I don't think JWP is worth 50M but then I don't think Ben White is worth that and I don't think Grealish is worth 100M either so given his length of contract, age, nationality, injury record (or lack of one) and the number of points he'll contribute via set pieces then it's probably fair to at least ask for something around the 50M mark.

I'll probably take some stick but I wouldn't really be that fussed if he does go.  Not saying he isn't a decent player but I've never been completely convinced by him - should really be scoring more goals from open play and has a tendency to get into a comfort zone where a lot of passes are backwards and sideways.  Granted a lot of that is down to the manager and he's got better at being more progressive the last few seasons.  Just my opinion - I'd rather not be bombarded with stats telling me otherwise.  He is one of the best (probably the best) free kick takers around in the prem so I'll give him that.  I really rate Maitland-Niles - get him in as a replacement and still have cash left over for other areas and it wouldn't be the worst bit of business we could do (IMO).  Maitland-Niles could also do a very good job as cover in the full back positions if needed.

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le_tiss

le_tiss

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  On 30/07/2021 at 16:08, revolution saint said:

I don't think JWP is worth 50M but then I don't think Ben White is worth that and I don't think Grealish is worth 100M either so given his length of contract, age, nationality, injury record (or lack of one) and the number of points he'll contribute via set pieces then it's probably fair to at least ask for something around the 50M mark.

I'll probably take some stick but I wouldn't really be that fussed if he does go.  Not saying he isn't a decent player but I've never been completely convinced by him - should really be scoring more goals from open play and has a tendency to get into a comfort zone where a lot of passes are backwards and sideways.  Granted a lot of that is down to the manager and he's got better at being more progressive the last few seasons.  Just my opinion - I'd rather not be bombarded with stats telling me otherwise.  He is one of the best (probably the best) free kick takers around in the prem so I'll give him that.  I really rate Maitland-Niles - get him in as a replacement and still have cash left over for other areas and it wouldn't be the worst bit of business we could do (IMO).  Maitland-Niles could also do a very good job as cover in the full back positions if needed.

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Maitland-Niles only wants to play CM, he has no interest in playing at FB and would kick up a fuss as he did at Arsenal (it affected his mental health he said IIRC) if he was made to.

#teamJWP here

VectisSaint

VectisSaint

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  On 30/07/2021 at 15:43, Smirking_Saint said:

It sort of is...... its just a bit more sophisticated in its application

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Agreed, not sure I believe what the Athletic have said. It doesn't have a ring if truth about it, no substance. Just following up the earlier guff from the Birmingham Mail. 

qwertyell

qwertyell

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  On 30/07/2021 at 16:08, revolution saint said:

I'll probably take some stick but I wouldn't really be that fussed if he does go.  Not saying he isn't a decent player but I've never been completely convinced by him - should really be scoring more goals from open play and has a tendency to get into a comfort zone where a lot of passes are backwards and sideways.  Granted a lot of that is down to the manager and he's got better at being more progressive the last few seasons.  Just my opinion - I'd rather not be bombarded with stats telling me otherwise.  He is one of the best (probably the best) free kick takers around in the prem so I'll give him that.  I really rate Maitland-Niles - get him in as a replacement and still have cash left over for other areas and it wouldn't be the worst bit of business we could do (IMO).  Maitland-Niles could also do a very good job as cover in the full back positions if needed.

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We'd obviously miss his set pieces - and that's a key element of our meagre creative output.

In general play, his attributes are ten a penny. Hard working sideways passers of no great ambition aren't hard to come by.

 

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Sweet dee

Sweet dee

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Villa had to start somewhere, every club does, and we do start to get twitchy for a sale around the 25 million mark, he'll probably end up going for 35-40, can't see us holding out for anymore than that, hope I'm wrong, I'd like to keep him 💁

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Sweet dee

Sweet dee

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Villa had to start somewhere, every club does, and we do start to get twitchy for a sale around the 25 million mark, he'll probably end up going for 35-40, can't see us holding out for anymore than that, hope I'm wrong, I'd like to keep him 💁

Charlie Wayman

Charlie Wayman

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  On 30/07/2021 at 13:54, SuperSAINT said:

 

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Will be interesting to see if he plays against The Swans tomorrow or has picked up yet another little knock on his calf.

Let's be objective, Grealish scares the wits out of opposition defenders and is surely worth far more than JWP, who obviously isn't rated that highly by Southgate and that must count for something in the minds of other clubs. He needs to convince that he is more than a one trick pony and not particularly good at that trick.

£35m is fair tops I'd say.

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waylander

waylander

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  On 30/07/2021 at 17:51, Charlie Wayman said:

Will be interesting to see if he plays against The Swans tomorrow or has picked up yet another little knock on his calf.

Let's be objective, Grealish scares the wits out of opposition defenders and is surely worth far more than JWP, who obviously isn't rated that highly by Southgate and that must count for something in the minds of other clubs. He needs to convince that he is more than a one trick pony and not particularly good at that trick.

£35m is fair tops I'd say.

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As I said above, Villa paid £33m for Buendia. JWP is worth considerably more than that. 

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Sir Ralph

Sir Ralph

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  On 30/07/2021 at 17:59, waylander said:

As I said above, Villa paid £33m for Buendia. JWP is worth considerably more than taht. 

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Completely agree it was £38m in total (with £5m add ons). If we get dont get around the £50m mark we will have been caught with our pants down.

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wild-saint

wild-saint

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Why would they bother putting a bid in unless they know for sure via his agent that he would consider joining them.

he is as good as gone once the freakish money is available to spend. 

SuperSAINT

SuperSAINT

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  On 30/07/2021 at 14:42, northam soul said:

So who is on the cards as a JWP replacement then.

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Have been linked with a few:

- Mattias Svanberg
- Marco Kana
- Yangel Herrera
- Ruben Loftus-Cheek
- Thomas Delaney
- Tom Davies
- Ainsley Maitland-Niles
- Isaac Hayden
- Matt Grimes

Sir Ralph

Sir Ralph

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  On 30/07/2021 at 18:40, Matthew Le God said:

If they don't end up signing Ward-Prowse... how is a 'PR exercise' of bidding £25m and failing appeasing their fans?

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If anything if they lose grealish the pressure will be on the villa board to now complete the JWP deal

Turkish

Turkish

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  On 30/07/2021 at 19:07, Sir Ralph said:

If anything if they lose grealish the pressure will be on the villa board to now complete the JWP deal

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LOL, I don’t think signing Prowse will cheer them up when Grealish goes.
 

I bet their fans on villaweb are going on about he should stay as he’ll only be a sub at city and will be popular in parts of Birmingham forever 

Sheaf Saint

Sheaf Saint

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  On 30/07/2021 at 18:23, wild-saint said:

Why would they bother putting a bid in unless they know for sure via his agent that he would consider joining them.

he is as good as gone once the freakish money is available to spend. 

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That's a very apt autocorrect.

BARCELONASAINT

BARCELONASAINT

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BBC now reporting official bid from Man City of £100 mill and looking to tie up the deal before Grealish returns from holiday, this is looking like a done deal.

Saints need to hold out for a minimum of £50 mill and not a penny less for JWP. I would still be gutted to lose him, i think he's so underrated by so many of our fans.

Toussaint

Toussaint

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  On 30/07/2021 at 19:25, Turkish said:

LOL, I don’t think signing Prowse will cheer them up when Grealish goes.
 

I bet their fans on villaweb are going on about he should stay as he’ll only be a sub at city and will be popular in parts of Birmingham forever 

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I’m not suggesting Prowse = Grealish, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Prowse is highly rated by Villa fans. He is generally highly rated in football circles. I don’t know if it’s typical of all clubs, but I feel Saints fans have a really negative view is some of our better players. Look at the slating Ings gets on his thread, one of the best strikers in the PL. 

Maybe it’s some kind of defensive/ protective psychological mechanism, knowing if we have anyone decent it’s inevitable they will leave?

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Cartman

Cartman

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Those clowns will soon be making £25m bids for Mbappé 😂. Saints should just add their email to the spam filter if they make anymore bids 😂.

Jimmy_D

Jimmy_D

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  On 30/07/2021 at 21:13, SO16_Saint said:

It comes down to whether he wants to be here or not.

if he wants a move we hold out for £50M

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He isn’t going to go on strike for four years to force his way to an Aston Villa team selling their best player :lol:

Chapel End

Chapel End

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  On 30/07/2021 at 17:51, Charlie Wayman said:

Will be interesting to see if he plays against The Swans tomorrow or has picked up yet another little knock on his calf.

Let's be objective, Grealish scares the wits out of opposition defenders and is surely worth far more than JWP, who obviously isn't rated that highly by Southgate and that must count for something in the minds of other clubs. He needs to convince that he is more than a one trick pony and not particularly good at that trick.

£35m is fair tops I'd say.

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Christ, you do post some utter bollocks and this really stood out as top of the charts and on here that is some achievement 

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Chapel End

Chapel End

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  On 30/07/2021 at 16:48, Sweet dee said:

Villa had to start somewhere, every club does, and we do start to get twitchy for a sale around the 25 million mark, he'll probably end up going for 35-40, can't see us holding out for anymore than that, hope I'm wrong, I'd like to keep him 💁

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  On 30/07/2021 at 16:48, Sweet dee said:

Villa had to start somewhere, every club does, and we do start to get twitchy for a sale around the 25 million mark, he'll probably end up going for 35-40, can't see us holding out for anymore than that, hope I'm wrong, I'd like to keep him 💁

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Once was enough mate 

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