beatlesaint Posted 23 December, 2018 Share Posted 23 December, 2018 Its a shame really but for me JWP falls into the Neil Maddison category (for those of you old enough to remember him). In other words bags of potential but never quite got over the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted 23 December, 2018 Share Posted 23 December, 2018 He is a nice person, a good professional and has technical ability. He represents the club very well, especially the image that they rightly want to portray about the type of people the academy develops. That said, his career has stagnated at Saints, during a period where very few players have shone. After 6 years he still doesn't have an obvious position and isnt a useful sub to change a game. A move away, outside of the Southanpton bubble may be exactly what he needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 23 December, 2018 Share Posted 23 December, 2018 He is a nice person, a good professional and has technical ability. He represents the club very well, especially the image that they rightly want to portray about the type of people the academy develops. That said, his career has stagnated at Saints, during a period where very few players have shone. After 6 years he still doesn't have an obvious position and isnt a useful sub to change a game. A move away, outside of the Southanpton bubble may be exactly what he needs. Maybe he can go on and have an Andrew Surman-type career somewhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 23 December, 2018 Share Posted 23 December, 2018 What price would you put on a young English midfielder who can't get a game in today's market? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted 23 December, 2018 Share Posted 23 December, 2018 What price would you put on a young English midfielder who can't get a game in today's market?If we could have got £15m for Targett who IMO is just passable as a lower PL player then I think £25m plus a decent sell on % would represent good value for JWP. But nobody would pay that because he doesn't impact games. So probably £18m or thereabouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 23 December, 2018 Share Posted 23 December, 2018 If we could have got £15m for Targett who IMO is just passable as a lower PL player then I think £25m plus a decent sell on % would represent good value for JWP. But nobody would pay that because he doesn't impact games. So probably £18m or thereabouts. Still can't believe Watford got Chalobah for £5m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBitterne Posted 23 December, 2018 Share Posted 23 December, 2018 What price would you put on a young English midfielder who can't get a game in today's market? 15-20 mill? Knowing us 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 23 December, 2018 Share Posted 23 December, 2018 Get what you are saying but don't all players have to travel anyway? I love the way you try and make it out he did it from the goodness of his heart though. Not because he was being paid to be there. Personally I agree with others. He just has not made it and looks even further from the team now. To point out someone isn't good enough doesn't mean on a personal level people dislike him. Wish him all the best for his career and I am sure wherever he goes he will continue to try his heart out. But you can't build a business you expect to do well on the basis of 'nice people'. You need them to have the ability to justify their pay packets. Do you get paid because you are nice but not very good at your job? I don't have any issues with JWP at all. I have issues with the people who couldn't admit that maybe, just maybe someone from our academy we all had high hopes for just didn't reach that level. Especially in comparison to others who have passed through it. If we want to improve as a club on the pitch we have to replace many of the players who simply are not good enough. JWP is one of them. The fact our manager would rather have picked a youngster who had never played in the league before over him shows that. Like I say, top lad, gave his all. Time for someone else to be given the chances he was. That is nothing on him from a personal point of view. Simply based on his ability. If people find others pointing that out offensive than seriously what has the world come to. No, I'm not trying to make it anything other than what it was - I just know he was there because I saw him get off the bus...! After that it was all assumption - he may be nearer the actual match-day squad (and in Ralphs thoughts), he may be there purely to support the rest of the squad - no biggie. There was no ulterior motive in what I posted. FWIW I actually agree with the majority (I think) in that he has had a chance to cement a place and has failed to do so. A move to another club maybe just the thing that kick starts his career, sort of reminds me of Surman in many ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 1 January, 2019 Share Posted 1 January, 2019 Ralph seems to have talked him up a little bit. Sounds like he's going to get some game time with Hojbjerg out. Hope he takes the chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints4Prem Posted 1 January, 2019 Share Posted 1 January, 2019 Yes contrary to all the Forum Experts the new manager sees something in him as well. I thought he worked hard against City and more like the form he showed under Poch when he had him pressing. I also hope JWP takes the chance and shows what he can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 1 January, 2019 Share Posted 1 January, 2019 Yes contrary to all the Forum Experts the new manager sees something in him as well. I thought he worked hard against City and more like the form he showed under Poch when he had him pressing. I also hope JWP takes the chance and shows what he can do. Not heard anything from Ralph to suggest he rates JWP. He will likely get more game time with Hoj suspended, after which Ralph will realise he’s a very limited footballer and drop him; just like our last 6 managers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted 1 January, 2019 Share Posted 1 January, 2019 Not heard anything from Ralph to suggest he rates JWP. He will likely get more game time with Hoj suspended, after which Ralph will realise he’s a very limited footballer and drop him; just like our last 6 managers. Probably the most likely outcome. However: I'm hoping he'll grab the chance and turn into a 2019 version of Morgan. Would be great if he did push on for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pengi Posted 2 January, 2019 Share Posted 2 January, 2019 He's going to be our captain - according to the Daily Mail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InvictaSaint Posted 2 January, 2019 Share Posted 2 January, 2019 He's going to be our captain - according to the Daily Mail That’s not what it says though, is it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 2 January, 2019 Share Posted 2 January, 2019 He's going to be our captain - according to the Daily Mail I didn't read it that way. They're saying that he will take on Hojbjerg's playing position, not his role as captain (IMO). Would be surprised if the captain's armband wasn't given to Romeu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 2 January, 2019 Share Posted 2 January, 2019 Decent tactical managers will always like players such as JWP and Hojbjerg. They're clever, tactically aware, can do multiple jobs. They need to be complimented by power and runners though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 2 January, 2019 Share Posted 2 January, 2019 How did JWP do tonight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 2 January, 2019 Share Posted 2 January, 2019 How did JWP do tonight? Played well I thought. Given he has been dreadful in the middle previously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabbage_Face Posted 2 January, 2019 Share Posted 2 January, 2019 How did JWP do tonight? Credit where credit is due, good first half, second half thought he was Beckham and should take every set piece and mucked up a goalscoring freekick. He is playing in his position, he shouldn’t play anywhere else as not effective. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwbu Posted 2 January, 2019 Share Posted 2 January, 2019 Thought he was good, reads the game well and normally tells other players where to put the ball when they look lost when it arrives. Won a fair bit in the middle, set pieces were disappointing tonight. Surely with Vest in the box we should be aiming everything at him but he seems to mark the goalkeeper instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 2 January, 2019 Share Posted 2 January, 2019 Played well tonight , much better in midfield than on the right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 12 January, 2019 Share Posted 12 January, 2019 Re-bumping this thread up again to gauge latest opinions. Really pleased he's getting a run. Hojbjerg has been one of our better players, so has been a big void to fill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwbu Posted 12 January, 2019 Share Posted 12 January, 2019 Played a part in two best defensive performances for a long time in Chelsea away and now today. Slattery very complimentary about his role against Derby too, where he was one of the few bright spots, saying he helped him through the game all the way. Deputised brilliantly for Hojbjerg and can definitely do a job in Ralph’s midfield. Great penalty too, and a great corner that Stephens nearly scored from. Also put that chance on a plate for Stephens against Derby last week with a great cross. Pleased for him, i’m a fan anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 12 January, 2019 Share Posted 12 January, 2019 He's never going to be a complete midfield powerhouse, but he is technically very good, has a good passing game and of course crucially for Ralf pressing game he can run all day and works his socks off. He will always be a worry at being a bit lightweight against some of the more physical teams but is solid option to have IMO and looks like he could carve himself out a role in the centre-mid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 12 January, 2019 Share Posted 12 January, 2019 Didn't really notice him today tbf - except for the penalty and when he struggled as a wingback at the start of the second half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austsaint Posted 12 January, 2019 Share Posted 12 January, 2019 He's never going to be a complete midfield powerhouse, but he is technically very good, has a good passing game and of course crucially for Ralf pressing game he can run all day and works his socks off. He will always be a worry at being a bit lightweight against some of the more physical teams but is solid option to have IMO and looks like he could carve himself out a role in the centre-mid. I thought Romeu had to cover for him most of the afternoon. Covered a lot of ground but not really to the team's advantage in attack or defence. He seems to run beside or close to opposition players but not tackle, harass or intercept. Good penalty and a few good corners. Not a CM/DM in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 12 January, 2019 Share Posted 12 January, 2019 I thought Romeu had to cover for him most of the afternoon. Covered a lot of ground but not really to the team's advantage in attack or defence. He seems to run beside or close to opposition players but not tackle, harass or intercept. Good penalty and a few good corners. Not a CM/DM in my opinion.If we get in another winger then I can't see how he gets in the team. Midfield will be redmond romeu hojbjerg Armstrong/new signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellman Posted 12 January, 2019 Share Posted 12 January, 2019 This manager is transforming players.Long, JWP and Romero have all had a couple of seasons of not being their best. they are now back to their better ways and are going to improve more as the team settles down which they never did under the last three managers. Redmond is suddenly reaching his best, but that began before Ralph arrived. And youngsters are getting a chance and that breings hope and energy. Relegation? Forget it. 12th/13th this season 8th/9th next Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Martini Posted 13 January, 2019 Share Posted 13 January, 2019 I thought Romeu had to cover for him most of the afternoon. Covered a lot of ground but not really to the team's advantage in attack or defence. He seems to run beside or close to opposition players but not tackle, harass or intercept. Good penalty and a few good corners. Not a CM/DM in my opinion. What he does very well is cutting of passing lanes that force the opposition to the outside our backwards. It does not necessarily lead to tackles and inscriptions but it is very useful. Is you look at Leicesters build-up play in the first half it was mostly around the outside where they could be contained. JWP played an important role in that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosin Posted 13 January, 2019 Share Posted 13 January, 2019 I thought Romeu had to cover for him most of the afternoon. Covered a lot of ground but not really to the team's advantage in attack or defence. He seems to run beside or close to opposition players but not tackle, harass or intercept. Good penalty and a few good corners. Not a CM/DM in my opinion. He had the same amount of interceptions as OR, he has 1 less tackle than OR, he made 3 good chances for us to score ( Which is 3 more than OR and 2 more than every other midfielder / winger / supporting striker on the team.), was one of the players who covered the most ground, got dispossessed 0 times, had no bad touches in the full game, made 5 clearances same as OR, what more do you want? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austsaint Posted 13 January, 2019 Share Posted 13 January, 2019 He had the same amount of interceptions as OR, he has 1 less tackle than OR, he made 3 good chances for us to score ( Which is 3 more than OR and 2 more than every other midfielder / winger / supporting striker on the team.), was one of the players who covered the most ground, got dispossessed 0 times, had no bad touches in the full game, made 5 clearances same as OR, what more do you want? With respect, what you write is nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosin Posted 13 January, 2019 Share Posted 13 January, 2019 With respect, what you write is nonsense. with respects but you are wrong and you just don't like the FACTS mate. https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1285084/LiveStatistics/England-Premier-League-2018-2019-Leicester-Southampton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 13 January, 2019 Share Posted 13 January, 2019 The boss is happy. Ralph Hasenhüttl praised goalscorers Shane Long and James Ward-Prowse after the 2-1 victory over Leicester City on Saturday. Both players netted their first goals of the season in the first half at King Power Stadium, with Ward-Prowse netting a penalty before Long doubled Saints’ advantage despite having just been reduced to ten men. And Hasenhüttl has been pleased with the way both players are developing under his style of play in recent weeks. Speaking about Long’s performance, he said: “He is quick, he is working hard and if he also scores as a striker then what more do you want – that is all you can ask. “After his injury he is now making the next steps and he proved it in his performance.” Ward-Prowse is also fast becoming an integral part of the Hasenhuttl era in midfield in a different role than he has been used in previously. “He [James] is like the others in the team with fantastic aggression against the ball and a lot of running to close the gaps. “It is very good to see how much he invested in this performance. I think he has made the next steps in his development because he is a good footballer which we knew but also a good fighter. "He fights for every ball and he wins it a lot which is very important in my game.” Source: https://southamptonfc.com/news/2019-01-13/ralph-hasenhuttl-on-ward-prowse-and-shane-long-post-leicester-southampton-premier-league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washsaint Posted 13 January, 2019 Share Posted 13 January, 2019 Heck, what does Ralph know? We all know JWP is crap - I'm sure Larry will be along in a bit to put Ralph right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 14 January, 2019 Share Posted 14 January, 2019 What he does very well is cutting of passing lanes that force the opposition to the outside our backwards. It does not necessarily lead to tackles and inscriptions but it is very useful. Is you look at Leicesters build-up play in the first half it was mostly around the outside where they could be contained. JWP played an important role in that. This, plus the comments from RH in the article, need to be taken in context with an interview linked to around the time RH joined. It described the way he plays and one of the key points was forcing the opposition into mistakes, with very proactive off-the-ball movement, pushing them into areas they don't want to go and can be dealt with easier. You could see it yesterday, not only pushing them outside, but restricting them to hopeful long-range shots on goal and little else. Players like JWP can play an important part in this, but if you're not watching him in isolation it would be very easy to miss it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwbu Posted 14 January, 2019 Share Posted 14 January, 2019 He’s also absolutely always an option for whoever has the ball. Many times in the last couple of years players have had nobody to pass to. There was a moment in particular on Saturday where Stephens had the ball at the back, and JWP was always an option, five yard pass to him, then back and gaps have opened. It happens constantly throughout the match, he never hides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 14 January, 2019 Share Posted 14 January, 2019 Thought he did well Sat - and now Hojbjerg has a fight to get back into the side, and you could also argue that Lemina is now surplus to requirements... An area to keep an eye out for, but great to see JWP stepping up when he's been needed to. Fair play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 14 January, 2019 Share Posted 14 January, 2019 Thought he did well Sat - and now Hojbjerg has a fight to get back into the side, and you could also argue that Lemina is now surplus to requirements... An area to keep an eye out for, but great to see JWP stepping up when he's been needed to. Fair play. Lemina just needs to get fit. No idea what kind of injury he's got. Wonder if it's a hernia of some kind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosin Posted 14 January, 2019 Share Posted 14 January, 2019 Lemina just needs to get fit. No idea what kind of injury he's got. Wonder if it's a hernia of some kind. Got to be some thing bad to be out nearly 5 weeks now with the same injury, Ralph or the club have not updated any 1 with any information about it either, nothing has been reported since he come off at half time against City in which Ralph did say he was not injured and just took him off as he was not happy with his performance ( Same as West ham )and has not been given any more mins since even though he can be seen training. think its more likely he has been dropped / Potentially being sold, he isn't very strong defensively and seriously lacks concentration and don't like tough games which is bad for the role he would play which would be in place of OR / Hoj / JWP. cant play a 3421 / 4222 with out good concentration levels, positioning sense, high work rate and fighting spirit like OR, HOJ n JWP ( lately ) its a very important role for the way we play so we cant have any thing less than 100 % every game in these positions. Great player on his day best central mid on the team ( on his day ), but they are rare games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewell Posted 14 January, 2019 Share Posted 14 January, 2019 think its more likely he has been dropped / Potentially being sold, he isn't very strong defensively and seriously lacks concentration and don't like tough games which is bad for the role he would play which would be in place of OR / Hoj / JWP. cant play a 3421 / 4222 with out good concentration levels, positioning sense, high work rate and fighting spirit like OR, HOJ n JWP ( lately ) its a very important role for the way we play so we cant have any thing less than 100 % every game in these positions. Pretty much how I see it and I think like Gabbiadini it will be the right decision to let Lemina go. No player is bigger than the team and the way Ralph wants to play is pivotal to our future success. The sum of all parts will always be our greatest asset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 14 January, 2019 Share Posted 14 January, 2019 Pretty much how I see it and I think like Gabbiadini it will be the right decision to let Lemina go. No player is bigger than the team and the way Ralph wants to play is pivotal to our future success. The sum of all parts will always be our greatest asset. I think it might happen in the summer as he's one of our highest-worth assets & going into this summer we won't have any big cash from previous sales in our transfer kitty (which we usually do). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellman Posted 14 January, 2019 Share Posted 14 January, 2019 If Ralph gets the best out of Lemina we will have a top player but more likely the new style will be too much for him, he is too casual for high pressing style. JWP may come to his peak, he is a harder worker and more relaible. Either way the midfield is going to be better than it was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosin Posted 14 January, 2019 Share Posted 14 January, 2019 Just wanted to come back and say, in light of Ralphs new interview, Lemina has been injured, which I have to say I am delighted about. am glad I was wrong in thinking he might be being sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 14 January, 2019 Share Posted 14 January, 2019 .. Sent from my SM-T580 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 14 January, 2019 Share Posted 14 January, 2019 Heck, what does Ralph know? We all know JWP is crap - I'm sure Larry will be along in a bit to put Ralph right[emoji23] Sent from my SM-T580 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 14 January, 2019 Share Posted 14 January, 2019 (edited) Pretty much how I see it and I think like Gabbiadini it will be the right decision to let Lemina go. No player is bigger than the team and the way Ralph wants to play is pivotal to our future success. The sum of all parts will always be our greatest asset. The Ramirez effect (Referring to Lemina and Gabbi here). You can see the quality, you desperately want to see them use it to great effect and dominate games but it just never really materializes except for a few flashes here and there. Very frustrating. Edited 14 January, 2019 by OttawaSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larry12 Posted 14 January, 2019 Share Posted 14 January, 2019 [emoji23] Sent from my SM-T580 using Tapatalk Bother to watch ploddy for a couple of mins when Saints are defending in their own half. Ploddy zone marks and doesn't seem to ever get near the action. He doesn't mark players. He just follows where the ball goes and sometimes gets near enough by accident. Just watch him for a bit. Against Leicester Saints were concentrated deep in their own half, so he was bound to finally get near the ball more often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosin Posted 14 January, 2019 Share Posted 14 January, 2019 (edited) Bother to watch ploddy for a couple of mins when Saints are defending in their own half. Ploddy zone marks and doesn't seem to ever get near the action. He doesn't mark players. He just follows where the ball goes and sometimes gets near enough by accident. Just watch him for a bit. Against Leicester Saints were concentrated deep in their own half, so he was bound to finally get near the ball more often. in your opinion, good thing stats don't have any opinion and are in fact a FACT. sprouting rubbish makes u look like a fool. James Ward-Prowse 24, AMC 5 tackles 1 interception 11 clearances 1 blocked shot Against Man City. James Ward-Prowse 24, MC 4 tackles 2 interceptions 2 clearances 1 blocked shots Against Chelsea James Ward-Prowse 24, MC 1 tackles 1 interceptions 5 clearances 1 blocked shots against Leicester Haters will always be haters. BTW, he is also in the top 3 of chances created per min in the team. Edited this bit for you - he has far less mins than the only person ahead of him. Redmond who has yet to miss a single game this season. Edited 14 January, 2019 by Mosin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabbage_Face Posted 14 January, 2019 Share Posted 14 January, 2019 Simple, play players in there positions. He is garbage when played in the Redmond roll. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosin Posted 14 January, 2019 Share Posted 14 January, 2019 (edited) Simple, play players in there positions. He is garbage when played in the Redmond roll. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk No one asked your opinion veggy face. Sorry that was uncalled for, i didn't read your post fully and just expected some lame rubbish dismissing his performances. I applogise. Sorry Cabage face. But yes playing as a forward, JWP would be bad, but on the right of the midfield he creates just as much as any one else in the team. Edited 14 January, 2019 by Mosin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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