James Ward-Prowse

[LGTL]

Absolutely stealing a living because he’s a massive brown nose.

[mrfahaji]

I must say I thought today he looked like a little boy on the pitch. He hit a nice pass towards the end, but he seems to spend most of the time 5-10 yards from the ball or man - each situation could be viewed as him taking up a sensible position but eventually you actually have to do something, not just be "near" the action. And I know his clearance was partly bad luck, but really he should be doing better than panicking and smashing it into an opposition player from there. If Hoedt did that he'd be getting pelters.

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[saintant]

Wasn't long ago some were describing him as a future England captain :-)

[igsey]

I've been a staunch backer of JWP on here for the last couple of years but he has been utterly turd all this season. Needs to step his game up or get out.

[gordonToo]

Surplus to requirements. Sell in January.

[Nordic Saint]

Beattie and Lambert didn't tend to take the free kicks that weren't likely to be direct attempts on goal, for those they'd both be in the box looking to be on the end of them. Ward-Prowse puts in extremely dangerous crosses from free kicks, he can't get an assist for a great free kick because the rest of the team is useless at finishing.

 

Even more useless at it than than Ward-Prowse? Over the years we have wasted so many scoring opportunities from free-kicks around the opposition penalty area because Ward-Prowse took them and kicked them a yard high and wide of the goal. On the rare occasion he does get one on target, he has such a weak shot that it's easily saved. These were from positions that a real dead-ball specialist, like Lambert or Le Tissier, regularly scored from.

[Saint Garrett]

Don't think you can rate (or not rate) anyone based on a few appearances for a few minutes.

 

When he was playing consistently under Puel, he was very decent,and certainly no worse than any other midfielder in our side. Like any player, you're only going to see proper performances with a run of games.

 

I wouldn't be adverse to him starting most games.

[S-Clarke]

Don't think you can rate (or not rate) anyone based on a few appearances for a few minutes.

 

When he was playing consistently under Puel, he was very decent,and certainly no worse than any other midfielder in our side. Like any player, you're only going to see proper performances with a run of games.

 

I wouldn't be adverse to him starting most games.

 

I don't think he was ever very decent, but he was kind of discovering a role for himself. Now he's back to square one. The main problem with him is that no one really knows where to put him.

 

Is he a right midfielder? Nope - doesn't have the pace or strength in the modern game to do that.

Is he a right back/wing back? Possibly as cover, but again still doesn't have the pace to recover.

Is he a central midfielder (DM) - Nope, not strong enough and doesn't cover near enough ground.

Is he a number 10? - Nope, not quick enough, not agile enough and too weak.

Is he a standard midfielder in a two? - Possibly, but again we come back to the original observations - lack of pace, lack of strength, struggles to cover the ground.

 

He's a squad/cover player at absolute best who can do a job in a couple of positions in an emergancy. At 24 years old he should have nailed down where he's best, but he obviously isn't 'best' anywhere as a starting player. And when we're looking at one of our weakeast 'squads' in a number of years, that's pretty bad for him.

[Nordic Saint]

Don't think you can rate (or not rate) anyone based on a few appearances for a few minutes.

 

When he was playing consistently under Puel, he was very decent,and certainly no worse than any other midfielder in our side. Like any player, you're only going to see proper performances with a run of games.

 

I wouldn't be adverse to him starting most games.

 

That awful run under Puel when we lost 6 out of 7 league games was when Ward-Prowse was playing 90 minutes regularly. The good run at the start of that season was when he wasn't starting. The more minutes he plays, the worse we seem to get. The last 5 Premier League games Ward-Prowse played an hour or more in were:

 

Newcastle 3 Saints 0

Arsenal 3 Saints 2

Saints 2 Chelsea 3

Everton 2 Saints 1

Man City 6 Saints 1

[Cabbage_Face]

If he wasn't from our academy fans would be driving him to his next club.

[nta786]

If he wasn't from our academy fans would be driving him to his next club.

 

yeah probably, why I give him a free pass but at 24 years old not sure how much time I can give him- he is a squad player at best, and will be for the foreseeable future if I am honest.

[Cabbage_Face]

Look at Jordy Clasie, probably similar quality. Gone.

[saint1977]

yeah probably, why I give him a free pass but at 24 years old not sure how much time I can give him- he is a squad player at best, and will be for the foreseeable future if I am honest.

 

We've already got plenty of those so loan out or sell in Jan. Now Les is gone, the ideological hold on keeping him has probably gone.

[Charlie Wayman]

He's never going to be any good under any manager, he isn't a natural footballer and he is physically weak and cannot read the game. He's had more chances to cement a place in the team than any other player we've produced from the Academy in recent times and he is far from being the best of his era. What's worse is that we are likely paying him a shed-load of dosh.

 

If Gao wants to start reeling in the money then flogging off the dead wood like Ward Prowse will be a good place to start. Also high time we had a new poster boy from the Academy

[Avenue_Saint]

Still ****e I see...

[SKD]

Not in the squad at all today... yet another manager who doesn’t fancy him?

 

Time to cash in if we can find anyone foolish enough to put some money down for him

[benjii]

Probably end up leaving on a free.

[larry12]

Mr Plod and over-the-hill Davis not even on the bench. Happy days.

If there is a doG let them both be gone next month, FINALLY, the gash is starting to be cleared out.

[Matthew Le God]

Probably end up leaving on a free.

 

He has a contract until 2022 so that isn't going to happen. If Hasenhuttl doesn't want him they'll be clubs that offer good money for him.

[St Marco]

Not in the squad at all today... yet another manager who doesn’t fancy him?

 

Time to cash in if we can find anyone foolish enough to put some money down for him

 

I think the writing has been on the wall for him for quite some-time now. Decent lad who gives his all but just isn't good enough for this level.

Sadly I think persisting with him for as long as we have has hindered other youngsters getting a chance.

If we can get £10m-£15m for him I would take it.

[Roo1976]

If he wasn't from our academy fans would be driving him to his next club.

 

thats probably a bloody good shout.............nothing he does is spectacular otherwise he would command more in the team .

[Cabbage_Face]

Good bye. Redmond so much better

 

 

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[Suhari]

In the past it has been hard to see what his best position is..... now it's even harder to see how he could fit in anywhere. Time for him to move on I think.

[Bad Wolf]

I'd cash in now. My Liverpool supporting mate was saying about a year or two ago he'd take him. Could give that a go? They must be due some sort of loyalty bonus anyway?

[Lord Duckhunter]

I'd cash in now. My Liverpool supporting mate was saying about a year or two ago he'd take him. Could give that a go? They must be due some sort of loyalty bonus anyway?

 

The only place he’d get a game on Merseyside is Tranmere.

 

 

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[VectisSaint]

The only place he’d get a game on Merseyside is Tranmere.

 

 

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Can't we just send him down the road to his spiritual home, could probably do some good in the Champ next year.

[benjii]

He has a contract until 2022 so that isn't going to happen. If Hasenhuttl doesn't want him they'll be clubs that offer good money for him.

 

Dunno. Similar situation to Forster I expect. Maybe the odd loan out now and again.

[SuperSAINT]

I'm old fashioned, but I want JWP to do well wherever he plays.

[SaintMB]

This trait of turning on players when they are not deemed good enough is pretty crappy. Fair enough, you may think he'll not get game time under new management because he's not of a high enough standard, but no need to be a **** about it.

[simo]

This trait of turning on players when they are not deemed good enough is pretty crappy. Fair enough, you may think he'll not get game time under new management because he's not of a high enough standard, but no need to be a **** about it.

 

This ! The lad has always put in 100 % so it's disappointing for our own fans to be such knobs towards him .

[Sergei Gotsmanov]

This trait of turning on players when they are not deemed good enough is pretty crappy. Fair enough, you may think he'll not get game time under new management because he's not of a high enough standard, but no need to be a **** about it.

 

Quite true. He is clearly a good guy and has plenty to offer on the field. The people that slag off our players are the ones that are responsible for a rapid downturn in the atmosphere and spirit of the club when things don't go well.

[Lighthouse]

Quite true. He is clearly a good guy and has plenty to offer on the field. The people that slag off our players are the ones that are responsible for a rapid downturn in the atmosphere and spirit of the club when things don't go well.

 

I hate when people feel the need to blame fans for something quite obviously not their fault. It’s not as if JWP has had any abuse direct at him from the stands.

 

JWP has the cushiest job in the Premier League. He keeps getting big juicy contracts despite being an exceedingly limited footballer, who has never really fit into the side and secured a position under 7 Saints managers.

 

Players like JWP (and 3 dodgy managers) are the reason we are where we are.

[Lord Duckhunter]

This trait of turning on players when they are not deemed good enough is pretty crappy.

 

What about managers, does the same apply?

 

 

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[Sergei Gotsmanov]

I hate when people feel the need to blame fans for something quite obviously not their fault. It’s not as if JWP has had any abuse direct at him from the stands.

 

JWP has the cushiest job in the Premier League. He keeps getting big juicy contracts despite being an exceedingly limited footballer, who has never really fit into the side and secured a position under 7 Saints managers.

 

Players like JWP (and 3 dodgy managers) are the reason we are where we are.

 

I just don't like watching good footballers who have demonstrated ability being drained of confidence be negative fans. Fraser Forster is a good example and so too was Nathan Redmond. If they were encouraged and not criticised I think it would be better for the club. It would make us a nicer place.

[Lighthouse]

I just don't like watching good footballers who have demonstrated ability being drained of confidence be negative fans. Fraser Forster is a good example and so too was Nathan Redmond. If they were encouraged and not criticised I think it would be better for the club. It would make us a nicer place.

 

None of those players mentioned strike me as having lacked confidence. They just have rather noticeable and regularly occurring flaws in their game. No amount of confidence will make JWP quicker, taller, harder in the tackle or more dynamic. Even under Poch and Koeman he never looked like grabbing a first team spot by the nads.

[Micky]

This trait of turning on players when they are not deemed good enough is pretty crappy. Fair enough, you may think he'll not get game time under new management because he's not of a high enough standard, but no need to be a **** about it.

Well said. He may not have been in the matchday squad but he did travel today, so he was either close to it or he was supporting the other lads, both commendable.

 

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[Sergei Gotsmanov]

None of those players mentioned strike me as having lacked confidence. They just have rather noticeable and regularly occurring flaws in their game. No amount of confidence will make JWP quicker, taller, harder in the tackle or more dynamic. Even under Poch and Koeman he never looked like grabbing a first team spot by the nads.

 

Really? Fraser Forster went from England to third choice. Redmond was so deflated that Pep Guardiola felt the need to have a word with him as he left the field. I don't think it reflects well on our club.

[saint1977]

Well said. He may not have been in the matchday squad but he did travel today, so he was either close to it or he was supporting the other lads, both commendable.

 

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No one has ever doubted his attitude, indeed he seems a bright, well adjusted and popular lad. The issue is that at the age of 24 he has never really nailed down a first team place under approaching seven managers now, although early days with Ralph. Puel was the nearest but that was a very specific position in a very specific system Claude was deploying.

 

I wish JWP all the best but do think a move, not just a loan, is the way forward all round. Where a trick was missed, which I said at the time but was show down by the usual suspects, was JWP having a season on loan with a promotion chasing side in the Champ to help his consistency and beef him up a bit. That stage has passed now.

[Saint Benali]

Well said. He may not have been in the matchday squad but he did travel today, so he was either close to it or he was supporting the other lads, both commendable.

 

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Get what you are saying but don't all players have to travel anyway? I love the way you try and make it out he did it from the goodness of his heart though. Not because he was being paid to be there.

 

Personally I agree with others. He just has not made it and looks even further from the team now. To point out someone isn't good enough doesn't mean on a personal level people dislike him. Wish him all the best for his career and I am sure wherever he goes he will continue to try his heart out. But you can't build a business you expect to do well on the basis of 'nice people'. You need them to have the ability to justify their pay packets. Do you get paid because you are nice but not very good at your job?

 

I don't have any issues with JWP at all. I have issues with the people who couldn't admit that maybe, just maybe someone from our academy we all had high hopes for just didn't reach that level. Especially in comparison to others who have passed through it.

If we want to improve as a club on the pitch we have to replace many of the players who simply are not good enough. JWP is one of them. The fact our manager would rather have picked a youngster who had never played in the league before over him shows that.

 

Like I say, top lad, gave his all. Time for someone else to be given the chances he was. That is nothing on him from a personal point of view. Simply based on his ability. If people find others pointing that out offensive than seriously what has the world come to.

[Mosin]

None of those players mentioned strike me as having lacked confidence. They just have rather noticeable and regularly occurring flaws in their game. No amount of confidence will make JWP quicker, taller, harder in the tackle or more dynamic. Even under Poch and Koeman he never looked like grabbing a first team spot by the nads.

 

He was rather young then though, no one in the current team would dream of starting against the players Poch and Koeman had then, let alone when they was still teenagers which JWP was at the time. 18 year old Redmond and Hoj? No way.

[Lighthouse]

Really? Fraser Forster went from England to third choice. Redmond was so deflated that Pep Guardiola felt the need to have a word with him as he left the field. I don't think it reflects well on our club.

 

I think he just got found out not having Wanyama, Virgil and Fonte in front of him.

[shurlock]

He was rather young then though, no one in the current team would dream of starting against the players Poch and Koeman had then, let alone when they was still teenagers which JWP was at the time. 18 year old Redmond and Hoj? No way.

 

You mean players like Danny Fox and Jos Hooiveld? Of course not

[Lighthouse]

He was rather young then though, no one in the current team would dream of starting against the players Poch and Koeman had then, let alone when they was still teenagers which JWP was at the time. 18 year old Redmond and Hoj? No way.

 

He was 21 by the time Koeman left and still not getting into the team. Hardly old but after 4 years of Premier League football he was still a ‘last 15 minutes’ sub.

[Mosin]

He was 21 by the time Koeman left and still not getting into the team. Hardly old but after 4 years of Premier League football he was still a ‘last 15 minutes’ sub.

 

No one in the current team would get a start a head of Morgan, big Vic, Pelle, Jrod before his injury, Lallana, Lambert, Davis in his prime, Tadic, like seriously you can not argue that fact. So talking about his time during Koemans era is pointless. I am not saying i would play him now, but i will not judge him under the new manager when he has not played yet...…………

 

 

 

Every one got a new clean slate when RH became manager, that goes for JWP too, cant pick and choose who will get given a clean slate, weather or not he gets a chance is to be seen, but RH has said all will get a chance. so wait and see.

 

I do think he will move though, but in no way is he a rubbish player and nor does he deserve the disrespect he gets on here as one of the longest serving players at the club.

[austsaint]

No one in the current team would get a start a head of Morgan, big Vic, Pelle, Jrod before his injury, Lallana, Lambert, Davis in his prime, Tadic, like seriously you can not argue that fact. So talking about his time during Koemans era is pointless. I am not saying i would play him now, but i will not judge him under the new manager when he has not played yet...…………

 

 

 

Every one got a new clean slate when RH became manager, that goes for JWP too, cant pick and choose who will get given a clean slate, weather or not he gets a chance is to be seen, but RH has said all will get a chance. so wait and see.

 

I do think he will move though, but in no way is he a rubbish player and nor does he deserve the disrespect he gets on here as one of the longest serving players at the club.

 

He is not a rubbish player; but he is an extremely limited one, who has had more opportunities than most young players could dream of - all for very little impact. He must be moved on; he hasn't got the game to fit into Ralph's way of playing.

[OldNick]

Get what you are saying but don't all players have to travel anyway? I love the way you try and make it out he did it from the goodness of his heart though. Not because he was being paid to be there.

 

Personally I agree with others. He just has not made it and looks even further from the team now. To point out someone isn't good enough doesn't mean on a personal level people dislike him. Wish him all the best for his career and I am sure wherever he goes he will continue to try his heart out. But you can't build a business you expect to do well on the basis of 'nice people'. You need them to have the ability to justify their pay packets. Do you get paid because you are nice but not very good at your job?

 

I don't have any issues with JWP at all. I have issues with the people who couldn't admit that maybe, just maybe someone from our academy we all had high hopes for just didn't reach that level. Especially in comparison to others who have passed through it.

If we want to improve as a club on the pitch we have to replace many of the players who simply are not good enough. JWP is one of them. The fact our manager would rather have picked a youngster who had never played in the league before over him shows that.

 

Like I say, top lad, gave his all. Time for someone else to be given the chances he was. That is nothing on him from a personal point of view. Simply based on his ability. If people find others pointing that out offensive than seriously what has the world come to.

it is a shame that we didn't have coaches instructing him to use his passing skills to go forward not sideways or backwards. He really needs to start showing aggressive attacking passes that may not give such a good percentage of success but t least create something. I also feel he has been unlucky in respect his corners are good but we haven't had a dominant forward to make use of them

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Get what you are saying but don't all players have to travel anyway? I love the way you try and make it out he did it from the goodness of his heart though. Not because he was being paid to be there.

 

Personally I agree with others. He just has not made it and looks even further from the team now. To point out someone isn't good enough doesn't mean on a personal level people dislike him. Wish him all the best for his career and I am sure wherever he goes he will continue to try his heart out. But you can't build a business you expect to do well on the basis of 'nice people'. You need them to have the ability to justify their pay packets. Do you get paid because you are nice but not very good at your job?

 

I don't have any issues with JWP at all. I have issues with the people who couldn't admit that maybe, just maybe someone from our academy we all had high hopes for just didn't reach that level. Especially in comparison to others who have passed through it.

If we want to improve as a club on the pitch we have to replace many of the players who simply are not good enough. JWP is one of them. The fact our manager would rather have picked a youngster who had never played in the league before over him shows that.

 

Like I say, top lad, gave his all. Time for someone else to be given the chances he was. That is nothing on him from a personal point of view. Simply based on his ability. If people find others pointing that out offensive than seriously what has the world come to.

 

Very good and accurate post

[DrunkenSaint]

We need space to get better players in and/or promote some of our 22 year olds so if he don't fit into the new system so be it. I personally never liked him as he really is just a deadball speciallist and in modern day football you just cant carry someone like that now. His style would of suited the 1990's-early 2000's punting early balls in the box from the wing, but nowadays you need to do alot more work and hes just not fast enough or strong enough for what midfielders need to do.

He probably needs to drop down a division and get regular play time but he's certinally not premier standard.

[Cabbage_Face]

I just don't like watching good footballers who have demonstrated ability being drained of confidence be negative fans. Fraser Forster is a good example and so too was Nathan Redmond. If they were encouraged and not criticised I think it would be better for the club. It would make us a nicer place.

 

Fraser Forster hasn’t ever been a good goalkeeper. Just had good protection. Back to JWP, he gets a better ride because he is from the academy. Yet players similar to him, claisie etc get less time as they are signed.

 

Honestly I can’t see JWP doing a lot with his career, but I’d like to be proved wrong.

 

 

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[Bad Wolf]

No one in the current team would get a start a head of Morgan, big Vic, Pelle, Jrod before his injury, Lallana, Lambert, Davis in his prime, Tadic, like seriously you can not argue that fact. So talking about his time during Koemans era is pointless. I am not saying i would play him now, but i will not judge him under the new manager when he has not played yet...…………

 

 

 

Every one got a new clean slate when RH became manager, that goes for JWP too, cant pick and choose who will get given a clean slate, weather or not he gets a chance is to be seen, but RH has said all will get a chance. so wait and see.

 

I do think he will move though, but in no way is he a rubbish player and nor does he deserve the disrespect he gets on here as one of the longest serving players at the club.

 

Ings offers more than Pelle IMO.