Gorgiesaint Posted 8 August, 2018 Share Posted 8 August, 2018 Sky now saying Watford interested in a loan deal for JWP. If there was no sell clause, would possibly give him some game time and allow us to keep him short term. Would also free up space in the squad for a striker ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 8 August, 2018 Share Posted 8 August, 2018 Sky now saying Watford interested in a loan deal for JWP. If there was no sell clause, would possibly give him some game time and allow us to keep him short term. Would also free up space in the squad for a striker ?Why improve Watford, who may well be in competition against us regarding league placing. Swap him for the midfielder who handballed the goal last season and that would be ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 8 August, 2018 Share Posted 8 August, 2018 Can't see a loan and Saints are saying no. He won't be going anywhere. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 8 August, 2018 Share Posted 8 August, 2018 It is flat out unacceptable to sell him. That is gallagher, targett and JWP that the club have tried to shift this summer. Completely sold our soul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon Saint Posted 8 August, 2018 Share Posted 8 August, 2018 It is flat out unacceptable to sell him. That is gallagher, targett and JWP that the club have tried to shift this summer. Completely sold our soul. We’ve said no to bids coming in. How is that selling our soul? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 8 August, 2018 Share Posted 8 August, 2018 It is flat out unacceptable to sell him. That is gallagher, targett and JWP that the club have tried to shift this summer. Completely sold our soul. Wow. Bad day? How does receiving a bid on a player equate to trying to sell him? How does it square with Hughes saying he wants to keep the younger players until Jan to try and give them playing time? The sky is not falling on your head ……….. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 8 August, 2018 Share Posted 8 August, 2018 It is flat out unacceptable to sell him. That is gallagher, targett and JWP that the club have tried to shift this summer. Completely sold our soul. You're being far too idealistic. I would love to keep our soul but the Premier League doesn't allow that. If you want to find your soul and be able to compete, then it is the lower leagues. No bad thing IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 8 August, 2018 Share Posted 8 August, 2018 I'd sell him for anything above £20m personally. Everything other than his set piece delivery is mediocre at best, even that is nothing special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 8 August, 2018 Share Posted 8 August, 2018 JWP is no world beater of that there is little doubt, however he is far more intelligent and skilful than a couple of others in our squad who spend most of the time giving the ball away or getting caught in pocession continuously. Personally I believe he is a bit unsung and pre season has shown how we need him and cannot afford to move him on. Now it’s strange no one is coming for Romeu wouldn’t you say. Perhaps because obviously he is not as good by quite s distance. Davis too is not attracting any coveted glances these two are both now off the pace for the first team, lose JWP too and you have a very patchy Lemina and Hojg to chose from and that’s it. We cannot afford one of only three viable midfielders to move on and probably the most consistent one at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 9 August, 2018 Share Posted 9 August, 2018 £15m to Burnley according to https://www.thesun.ie/sport/football/2961460/burnley-close-to-agreeing-15m-transfer-for-southampton-star-james-ward-prowse-after-watford-bid-rejected/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 9 August, 2018 Share Posted 9 August, 2018 Would be mental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 9 August, 2018 Share Posted 9 August, 2018 If we sell him to one of our rivals you can bet your house he would end up scoring a 30-yard free kick against us after making an entire career out of just missing them for us so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musesaint Posted 9 August, 2018 Share Posted 9 August, 2018 Amazing how utter nonsense gains traction in the tabloids. JWP is not leaving Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manuel Posted 9 August, 2018 Share Posted 9 August, 2018 Elyounoussi any good at set pieces? Armstrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 9 August, 2018 Share Posted 9 August, 2018 The Sun are just making it up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 9 August, 2018 Share Posted 9 August, 2018 Muse, I would tend to agree with you on both points. But hey, this is the PL, and strange things happen. As for the article, not sure I would agree that he competes with Lemina and Romeu. If anyone is to go from his position, I would think it would be Davis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 9 August, 2018 Share Posted 9 August, 2018 He won’t go this window but JWP remains one of our few bankable assets -if only by virtue of being English. At some point the club will have to decide whether it’s better to keep JWP or sell what is effectively a squad player and reinvest in areas of need. The cupboard is getting pretty bare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musesaint Posted 9 August, 2018 Share Posted 9 August, 2018 Muse, I would tend to agree with you on both points. But hey, this is the PL, and strange things happen. As for the article, not sure I would agree that he competes with Lemina and Romeu. If anyone is to go from his position, I would think it would be Davis. Thank God the season starts this weekend. Wild speculation about us selling pretty much every player in the team is getting a bit tedious now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 9 August, 2018 Share Posted 9 August, 2018 Thank God the season starts this weekend. Wild speculation about us selling pretty much every player in the team is getting a bit tedious now Without our recent history of selling anyone valuable and decent we could dismiss said rumours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 9 August, 2018 Share Posted 9 August, 2018 (edited) Without our recent history of selling anyone valuable and decent we could dismiss said rumours We can’t buy unless we sell (this summer’s spending owes much to the VVD sale). The shopfront is pretty empty -and if given the choice of selling JWP, a squad player or Bertrand, an instrumental first-teamer, JWP wins hands-down everyday. Lesser evil and all that. Edited 9 August, 2018 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
French Connection Posted 9 August, 2018 Share Posted 9 August, 2018 JWP has always been most loyal to the Club , that counted once , I remember a quote from him many moon's ago when he said his dream was one day to Captain Saints , you don't get many to the pound like that nowadays , please stop knocking him he is one of our own , a phrase much lauded at another club doing rather better than ours ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 9 August, 2018 Share Posted 9 August, 2018 The Sun are just making it up Shirley Knott...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedArmy Posted 9 August, 2018 Share Posted 9 August, 2018 JWP has always been most loyal to the Club , that counted once , I remember a quote from him many moon's ago when he said his dream was one day to Captain Saints , you don't get many to the pound like that nowadays , please stop knocking him he is one of our own , a phrase much lauded at another club doing rather better than ours ! He's a skate you stupid little troll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manuel Posted 9 August, 2018 Share Posted 9 August, 2018 Used to be a skate but he's alright now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 9 August, 2018 Share Posted 9 August, 2018 If he left, would he even need replacing? I would suggest not Could argue that Armstrong takes his place already, even if that signing was perhaps intended to replace Davis long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 9 August, 2018 Share Posted 9 August, 2018 (edited) No way for 10 Million how about £15m as per Sun article? What about £17m, £18m or £19m? Love seeing young players come through into the side, and loathe to let him or any other player go, but the way I always think it is are they preventing a better player playing for Saints? His wages will be much higher than you imagine and that shirt could be filled with someone that dominates an opponent (which JWP fails to do). However, it relies on the quality of player brought in, an area most on here wonder about right now. Edited 9 August, 2018 by Chez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 9 August, 2018 Share Posted 9 August, 2018 JWP has always been most loyal to the Club , that counted once , I remember a quote from him many moon's ago when he said his dream was one day to Captain Saints , you don't get many to the pound like that nowadays Sounds like Lallana......that turned out well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
100%Red&White Posted 9 August, 2018 Share Posted 9 August, 2018 £15m to Burnley according to https://www.thesun.ie/sport/football/2961460/burnley-close-to-agreeing-15m-transfer-for-southampton-star-james-ward-prowse-after-watford-bid-rejected/ Can't see it myself, just not a good fit either way. Reckon he'd last about as long as Eddie Howe did before wanting to get back home. Can't even see this, at a stretch, as mind-games as we match up on Sunday, they certainly wouldn't be that concerned with us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd Posted 9 August, 2018 Share Posted 9 August, 2018 I think he'll go and Ings will come in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 9 August, 2018 Share Posted 9 August, 2018 I think he'll go and Ings will come in. Why do you think that because you read it in a paper or ITK.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabbage_Face Posted 9 August, 2018 Share Posted 9 August, 2018 Get rid, utterly ****e. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 9 August, 2018 Share Posted 9 August, 2018 Get rid, utterly ****e. Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkI thought you were in Nairobi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabbage_Face Posted 9 August, 2018 Share Posted 9 August, 2018 I thought you were in Nairobi Yep, and even from there I could see he was ****e Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 9 August, 2018 Share Posted 9 August, 2018 Yep, and even from there I could see he was ****e Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Soiling your sammie saint undies again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 9 August, 2018 Share Posted 9 August, 2018 Soiling your sammie saint undies again?Sammi Saint is a Man Utd fan so I was toldlol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 9 August, 2018 Share Posted 9 August, 2018 Yep, and even from there I could see he was ****e Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk fair point, I don't know you could see him on Google earth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 1 November, 2018 Share Posted 1 November, 2018 As it’s his birthday today (24 now), perfect time to reflect on his performance over the past few years and what he needs to do for the sake of his career. Watching Chelsea/Derby last night, it really struck home how far JWP as fallen really. Once a poster boy for the club and FA (under 21 captain etc.), he is now probably as far away from an England call up as he has ever been. It may be due to competition or even game time, but watching Loftus-Cheeky, Barkley, Mount, Maddison, Foden and even Grealish (all similar players of a similar age/ younger) over the past 18 months, they are all streets ahead of him. Even in a deeper, more traditional CM role, you have Lewis Cook, Harry Winks, Tom Davies who are all more likely for a call up for the national team. I think it’s clear to everyone that he’s a good ‘pro’ who has been well coached, but the reality is the modern game doesn’t really have a place for a player like him, in Midfield anyway. Personally, I think he is too weak and slow to play in CM and doesn’t have the flair / creativity to play out wide (I like my wingers to be quick and almost play as a forward). Maybe he could develop into a Pirlo type CDM, but again hes good with the ball but pretty safe (doesn’t have that defence splitting pass in him, imo). I know JWP is a bit marmite, and Personally I don’t think there is a place for him in his current format / our system. However, I do think he has a future at the club and IMO I think he’d make a good RB (Tipper esque). Especially as we’re crying out for one with pretty much no competition to Cedric. Not a thread to bash him or if we should/shouldn’t sell, more of a constructive ‘what can we do to improve him / resurrect his career?’ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints-cris Posted 1 November, 2018 Share Posted 1 November, 2018 IMO if he's going to be half decent anywhere its RB where he can deliver from far out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashnats Posted 1 November, 2018 Share Posted 1 November, 2018 Play him. Do that and he’ll be in the England squad by the summer. Southgate loves him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 1 November, 2018 Share Posted 1 November, 2018 Play him. Do that and he’ll be in the England squad by the summer. Southgate loves him But be won’t though, as mentioned in my original post there are players who are miles ahead of him currently and what he has ever been. That’s not even taking into consideration Alli, Dier, Henderson or any of the wingers (Sterling, Sancho, Rashford etc). Also, where do you play him in our side? Not convinced he gets in anywhere, as he hasn’t under the previous 5 managers (other than probably Puel). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 1 November, 2018 Share Posted 1 November, 2018 (edited) He has a place. Its as a wide man on central midfield playmaker. His crossing and dead ball delivery is superb, and he is actually a player that gets his head up to make a pass. He isn't a shining light at anything else, but at those two elements he is very very good. But in previous years we had progressive managers that focused on player movement and a target man up front. Since then we've been static (and no surprise the goals have dried up). Verses Newcastle we looked so much sharper with him and gabbi both playing... yet these are two players that will hardly get a look in under our current playstyle. I would be starting JWP and have Gabbi and Ings up front. Every game. And change our style to be more attacking with more players in the final 3rd... Fits the style of all 3 players. It really is laughable how bad we are at the moment, we are playing so far within ourselves it hurts. Edited 1 November, 2018 by Saint86 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 1 November, 2018 Share Posted 1 November, 2018 He has a place. Its as a wide man on central midfield playmaker. His crossing and dead ball delivery is superb, and he is actually a player that gets his head up to make a pass. He isn't a shining light at anything else, but at those two elements he is very very good. But in previous years we had progressive managers that focused on player movement and a target man up front. Since then we've been static (and no surprise the goals have dried up). Verses Newcastle we looked so much sharper with him and gabbi both playing... yet these are two players that will hardly get a look in under our current playstyle. I would be starting JWP and have Gabbi and Ings up front. Every game. And change our style to be more attacking with more players in the final 3rd... It the style of all 3 players. It really is laughable how bad we are at the moment, we are playing so far within ourselves it hurts. Could he do a job as a “regista” in a 433. Picking the ball up from deep, often the CB’s, turn and look for a forward pass? With Lemina/PEH ahead of him it could work I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 1 November, 2018 Share Posted 1 November, 2018 (edited) Could he do a job as a “regista” in a 433. Picking the ball up from deep, often the CB’s, turn and look for a forward pass? With Lemina/PEH ahead of him it could work I suppose. Nothing else has worked in the past 2 years I think our fans want him to be this above average all rounder, getting stuck in, box to box, popping up scoring goals and then back making last minute slide tackles the next. That will never be JWP, hes a technical player whose role is to feed and support the front men, get balls in the box, and pop up on the D from deep. If we're not going to use him like that then he is going to look very average. Edited 1 November, 2018 by Saint86 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 1 November, 2018 Share Posted 1 November, 2018 I'd give him a run on the right hand side (either in the 4-4-2 or 4-2-3-1 formation). Elyounoussi hasn't really done enough to keep his spot & if Austin remains as stationary as he is, JWP may as well put a couple of crosses onto his head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 1 November, 2018 Share Posted 1 November, 2018 Could he do a job as a “regista” in a 433. Picking the ball up from deep, often the CB’s, turn and look for a forward pass? With Lemina/PEH ahead of him it could work I suppose. He would need to be good at tackling to play that role. He isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 1 November, 2018 Share Posted 1 November, 2018 IMO we either start him, or we let him go and further his career elsewhere. We definitely have a place for him, just not in 442. I'd play a 4-3-3 and have Hojbjerg holding and him and Lemina either side (JWP on on the right so he can cross it in). He has good energy, work rate, great delivery and gets stuck in. He deserves a chance to play, he was progressing quite nicely under Puel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 1 November, 2018 Share Posted 1 November, 2018 JWP just isn’t good enough. He is neither quick, nor strong nor tall, nor is he an aggressive ball winner. He looks comfortable in possession and delivers a half decent set piece but that’s about all. A succession of managers from Adkins onwards have decided, over more than 6 years, that he doesn’t really fit into the team and has been a bit part, in/out sort of player. If he was named Antonio Romano and Cortese had signed him from Chievo, he’d have been gone years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimatt Posted 1 November, 2018 Share Posted 1 November, 2018 Fabregas shows you don't need to be quick, tall, or a ball winner that contributes defensively if you're good enough in attack. Fabregas was allowed to play that playmaking CM with no defensive duties because he's always been in top teams with players better than the opposition. JWP doesn't have that luxury and a team like ours can't afford a CM to not play both ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 1 November, 2018 Share Posted 1 November, 2018 hes the best penalty taker we have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doggface Posted 1 November, 2018 Share Posted 1 November, 2018 Best position is in a 3 man midfield imo. Ok on the right of midfield too. Way too slow to play right back in this league IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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