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Lord Duckhunter

Lord Duckhunter

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  On 09/08/2021 at 13:09, Chapel End said:

Lol, you don't have a clue at all and are just guessing because your nephew said it happens doesn't mean it happens everywhere but crack on .

 

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It happens all the time. Do you really think it comes as a surprise when the player hears a club has made a bid. FFS, how naive are you? 

SKD

SKD

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  On 09/08/2021 at 13:09, Chapel End said:

Lol, you don't have a clue at all and are just guessing because your nephew said it happens doesn't mean it happens everywhere but crack on .

 

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It does. You clearly have absolutely no idea how football works if you think one CEO calls another to lodge a bid before consulting the players representatives. 

All of these deals are done via agents and talks are carried out way in advance of bids to understand feasibility etc. 

I would not be at all surprised if, in this case, JWP’s agent reached out to a Villa rep, rather than the other way round. 

That’s not to say James has had discussions, but certainly his representatives would have. 

Now, I know you’ll just claim I’m clueless etc. As you seemingly are unable to hold a convo without throwing personal insults (you would have thought you’d learn after getting your old account banned for that exact reason), so please see exhibit A, where it happened to one of our players earlier this summer…. 

 

Saint Garrett

Saint Garrett

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I'm sure official "discussions" haven't been had, but it's completely naive to think that transfers aren't discussed all the time by agents / players / clubs.

I've no idea, and I don't care enough to look, but I'm sure Prowseys agent has clients at various other football clubs, so a bit like walking past someone in the office in the corridor and asking them how their weekend was (pre-covid), is probably similar to asking if x y z player could be available...

SKD

SKD

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  On 09/08/2021 at 10:15, S-Clarke said:

If i'm honest, I think Villa were used in this situation. He was speaking to Arsenal about a new contract and in comes a bid from Villa, which would have definitely included a pay rise for the player based on what he was currently on at Arsenal.

So I imagine that pushed his agents to get Arsenal to lift their offer a little more, and low and behold the Villa bid goes no where and he signs the new contract at Arsenal on better wages than they originally offered.

That's the murky world of agents for you.

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You’re probably not wrong. However, it does highlight the point that Villa were given signs that they could sign him. 
 

Slightly different in this case as unless we’re going to give him another new deal (unlikely), there’s no reason to play the club. 

CanadaSaint

CanadaSaint

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The thing that made me think it isn't beyond the realms of possibility was when the club described Villa's $25 million offer as "derisory". That's what a club says when it's willing to sell but at a much higher price. If they're not willing to sell they just reject the bid.

I think the club has a clear idea of JWP's value, and a plan to replace him if he goes. The excellent Ings fee should lessen the likelihood of JWP going as well, but I don't think that's certain. If Villa "meet our valuation" - and some, JWP could still go. There was a lot of bleating from Villa fans about their lousy set piece delivery in their friendly.

If Villa come back with circa $42 million I think he could still go.

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Diabolus Ex Machina

Diabolus Ex Machina

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  On 09/08/2021 at 17:42, Matthew Le God said:

Why don't you name him?

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Presumably because it's none of your business and putting it out there on the internet could lead to unwelcome attention from all sorts of weirdos. I could easily see someone spamming the players social media about Duckhunters posts or vise versa if they knew there was a connection. I think Duckhunter is a bit of a d*ck but trying to pressure him into revealing family info is well out of line in my opinion. I swear the straight up harassment people give each other here gets worse and worse by the day and it's seemingly just allowed.

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egg

egg

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  On 09/08/2021 at 17:42, Matthew Le God said:

Why don't you name him?

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  On 09/08/2021 at 18:43, OldNick said:

or even the club

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  On 09/08/2021 at 18:51, Billy the Kidd said:

Yeah, he often asks others to name names, we should demand he names names.  

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Behave. The identity of the lad is irrelevant to the point that Duck makes. It's a point that's correct.

Players are sounded out through agents before bids are made. It's the norm.

Armstrong. The club wouldn't waste it's time pursuing a player if they don't have an inkling that he'd join.

Ditto Villa and JWP. If Villa are told that he's not going there unless the wages are insane, there'll know where they stand before making a bid. 

 

Lord Duckhunter

Lord Duckhunter

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  On 09/08/2021 at 18:51, Billy the Kidd said:

Yeah, he often asks others to name names, we should demand he names names.  

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I’ve never once demanded anyone name somebody’s real name. If anyone was that interested they’d be able to find the club by going back through my posts, because I’ve mentioned it previously. 

If anyone believes the first JWP knew that  Villa would be making a bid for him was when they made it , I’ve got a bridge for sale. It defies belief that anybody doesn’t realise how it works, so I can only presume they’re letting their personal dislike of my opinions cloud their thought process. 
 

 

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Convict Colony

Convict Colony

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buying club taps up agent to see if the player is interested and what his pay would be.

If all aligns bidding club put in formal bid to club.

 

that is how it works unless you take the piss even more and have a face to face - klopp - virgil and mourinho - cole

Billy the Kidd

Billy the Kidd

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  On 09/08/2021 at 19:08, Lord Duckhunter said:

I’ve never once demanded anyone name somebody’s real name. If anyone was that interested they’d be able to find the club by going back through my posts, because I’ve mentioned it previously. 

If anyone believes the first JWP knew that  Villa would be making a bid for him was when they made it , I’ve got a bridge for sale. It defies belief that anybody doesn’t realise how it works, so I can only presume they’re letting their personal dislike of my opinions cloud their thought process. 
 

 

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You asked me to name names the other day old chap.
 

Don’t be so sensitive, it was all tongue in cheek, and like you I wouldn’t name peoples names, that is private. 
 

And also I agree with you, no way Villa are blind, they have been made aware he is slightly interested, it’s how most transfers happen. 
 

I can’t speak for those disagreeing with you, and I’m not one of them. 
 

I still don’t believe he will go this summer, maybe next. 

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Billy the Kidd

Billy the Kidd

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  On 09/08/2021 at 19:00, egg said:

 

 

Behave. The identity of the lad is irrelevant to the point that Duck makes. It's a point that's correct.

Players are sounded out through agents before bids are made. It's the norm.

Armstrong. The club wouldn't waste it's time pursuing a player if they don't have an inkling that he'd join.

Ditto Villa and JWP. If Villa are told that he's not going there unless the wages are insane, there'll know where they stand before making a bid. 

 

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Yeah, I was joking about that, see my previous post. 

AlexLaw76

AlexLaw76

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  On 09/08/2021 at 19:24, Billy the Kidd said:

No worries, I wasn’t clear I was joking to be fair. 
 

You think JWP will go this summer or next, or never?

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if we want to buy anyone next summer - DESPITE the summer where we are supposedly clear, all crap gone (inc FF big wages) - we will probably have an excuse to sell before we buy!

JwP will probably be a big money spinner

egg

egg

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  On 09/08/2021 at 19:24, Billy the Kidd said:

No worries, I wasn’t clear I was joking to be fair. 
 

You think JWP will go this summer or next, or never?

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Not sure whether this summer, January or next summer, but him leaving soon feels fairly inevitable to me. Loyalty usually only lasts so long when the big carrots get dangled. 

Lighthouse

Lighthouse

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  On 09/08/2021 at 19:26, AlexLaw76 said:

if we want to buy anyone next summer - DESPITE the summer where we are supposedly clear, all crap gone (inc FF big wages) - we will probably have an excuse to sell before we buy!

JwP will probably be a big money spinner

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What do you mean ‘excuse’? Have you had a cursory glance at the clubs finances, clearing all those players is needed to break even on wages, not go on some massive spending spree.

Billy the Kidd

Billy the Kidd

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  On 09/08/2021 at 19:29, egg said:

Not sure whether this summer, January or next summer, but him leaving soon feels fairly inevitable to me. Loyalty usually only lasts so long when the big carrots get dangled. 

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Yeah I agree I think he will go, but not sure about now. 
 

trouble for Villa if they want him I think they have to do it now, or someone bigger may come in for him.  Think they will stick a large one in for him now, maybe around the £40m mark, wonder how we will respond. 
 

I think if it edges £45m we will be tempted. 

Piran

Piran

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Imagine the following scenario...... this time next year, JWP has just seen his (Saints) team finish a healthy 8th in the Premier League, they've been far in both cup competitions, he has a personal tally of 8 goals (including half a dozen spectacular direct free kicks) and a dozen assists, and his young team-mates have grown and thrived in the team. Why would he want to go anywhere else? He still has years left on a valuable contract, and bigger clubs than Aston Villa are casting envious glances. A Panglossian dream maybe, but not totally unfeasible.

egg

egg

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  On 09/08/2021 at 19:44, Piran said:

Imagine the following scenario...... this time next year, JWP has just seen his (Saints) team finish a healthy 8th in the Premier League, they've been far in both cup competitions, he has a personal tally of 8 goals (including half a dozen spectacular direct free kicks) and a dozen assists, and his young team-mates have grown and thrived in the team. Why would he want to go anywhere else? He still has years left on a valuable contract, and bigger clubs than Aston Villa are casting envious glances. A Panglossian dream maybe, but not totally unfeasible.

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The Cat

The Cat

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  On 09/08/2021 at 19:44, Piran said:

Imagine the following scenario...... this time next year, JWP has just seen his (Saints) team finish a healthy 8th in the Premier League, they've been far in both cup competitions, he has a personal tally of 8 goals (including half a dozen spectacular direct free kicks) and a dozen assists, and his young team-mates have grown and thrived in the team. Why would he want to go anywhere else? He still has years left on a valuable contract, and bigger clubs than Aston Villa are casting envious glances. A Panglossian dream maybe, but not totally unfeasible.

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Think I was lost at the bit where you have us finishing 8th. Nice idea though.

Saint86

Saint86

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Could sort of see him at West ham when they finally sell rice next summer. 

Will come down to wages and the right project I think, and whether he feels its time for a move. He's always been happy at saints and in this part of the country, and I don't think he'd just move for money if I'm being honest. 

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Saint Pete

Saint Pete

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  On 09/08/2021 at 20:16, Pamplemousse said:

The only reason to go to Aston Villa is money. Anyone with ambition would avoid - hence why their best player just left them.

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So what would be the reason to join (or stay at) Southampton out of interest?

At the end of the day, players will always gravitate to bigger clubs who pay them more money if they are good enough. In Villa"s case, their best player has left them yes .  to join the best and richest club in the land. I wouldn't personally say that was a reason for ambitious players not to join Villa.

Dman

Dman

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  On 09/08/2021 at 20:40, Saint86 said:

Could sort of see him at West ham when they finally sell rice next summer. 

Will come down to wages and the right project I think, and whether he feels its time for a move. He's always been happy at saints and in this part of the country, and I don't think he'd move for money if I'm being honest. 

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Very naive to think that. 

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OldNick

OldNick

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  On 09/08/2021 at 19:00, egg said:

 

 

 

 

Armstrong. The club wouldn't waste it's time pursuing a player if they don't have an inkling that he'd join.

Ditto Villa and JWP. If Villa are told that he's not going there unless the wages are insane, there'll know where they stand before making a bid. 

 

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Is that why Norwich and Palace went for him as well.

Well it cant be the wages as Villa have made a bid.

As for asking names, naming the club hardly constitutes being harrassed

tajjuk

tajjuk

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  On 10/08/2021 at 05:56, Dman said:

Very naive to think that. 

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I don't think money would be the top of his motivations, it is of course always a factor but he strikes me as someone who would prioritise playing time/trophies/England chances etc. 

I mean to be honest if he moved to a top 4 club he'd get a default pay rise anyway. 

Also whilst we know money is a driving factor in football (and life) we are seeing more and more younger player prioritise playing time above most other things. 

Saint Troy

Saint Troy

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  On 11/08/2021 at 08:49, tajjuk said:

I don't think money would be the top of his motivations, it is of course always a factor but he strikes me as someone who would prioritise playing time/trophies/England chances etc. 

I mean to be honest if he moved to a top 4 club he'd get a default pay rise anyway. 

Also whilst we know money is a driving factor in football (and life) we are seeing more and more younger player prioritise playing time above most other things. 

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ill be honest being at saints doesn't look like currently helping your England career so can understand him moving. Look at Ings, in the England squad behind Watkins and i assume will be 1st choice at the same club as Watkins now.... Maybe a bit of age consideration in there too with Ings/Watkins and England but no doubt Ings and JWP just missed out

tajjuk

tajjuk

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  On 11/08/2021 at 08:53, Saint Troy said:

ill be honest being at saints doesn't look like currently helping your England career so can understand him moving. Look at Ings, in the England squad behind Watkins and i assume will be 1st choice at the same club as Watkins now.... Maybe a bit of age consideration in there too with Ings/Watkins and England but no doubt Ings and JWP just missed out

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Watkins missed out on the Euros though didn't he? Calvert-Lewin got the nod and then iirc only played about 10 minutes. 

JWP missed out to Henderson basically, who was about as useful as a bag of wet cement and clearly not at all fit. I think if he keeps performing as he has done then likely he will get back in, we don't have a lot of midfielders anyway, Rice and Phillips are hardly world class and basically do the exact same job and Henderson is 31 now and it's possible his body might not be up to it anymore. The only stand out one IMO is Bellingham who has looked class for Dortmund and is the more progressive of the four that went to the Euros. 

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TWar

TWar

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JWP back in training pics, Semmens saying definitively he stays. Maybe it was just a knee injury and the conspiracy theories about him actually not being in friendlies because he was off to villa were, in fact, a little bit silly.

You don't stay as fit as JWP if you insist on playing through injuries for friendlies for no reason...

Dman

Dman

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  On 11/08/2021 at 09:02, TWar said:

JWP back in training pics, Semmens saying definitively he stays. Maybe it was just a knee injury and the conspiracy theories about him actually not being in friendlies because he was off to villa were, in fact, a little bit silly.

You don't stay as fit as JWP if you insist on playing through injuries for friendlies for no reason...

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There is clearly something in the villa interest though, generally speaking, there’s not this much smoke without fire. 

I think it’s fair to question why a super fit, never injured, JWP is out of the squad around the same time said interest come about. I’m sure it’s just coincidence, but I can see why people would link the 2.

I think most on here universally agreed that, unless a silly offer comes in, after ings was sold to Villa, JWP wouldn’t be. 
 

Imo he goes next summer regardless of what happens (excluding a take over).

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Saint Troy

Saint Troy

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  On 11/08/2021 at 08:56, tajjuk said:

Watkins missed out on the Euros though didn't he? Calvert-Lewin got the nod and then iirc only played about 10 minutes. 

JWP missed out to Henderson basically, who was about as useful as a bag of wet cement and clearly not at all fit. I think if he keeps performing as he has done then likely he will get back in, we don't have a lot of midfielders anyway, Rice and Phillips are hardly world class and basically do the exact same job and Henderson is 31 now and it's possible his body might not be up to it anymore. The only stand out one IMO is Bellingham who has looked class for Dortmund and is the more progressive of the four that went to the Euros. 

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yeah good point! I think in my head he seemed in front of Ings in the pecking order but no way to confirm that really - just what the press were saying i suppose. Either way neither ings/jwp made it in

TWar

TWar

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  On 11/08/2021 at 09:12, Dman said:

There is clearly something in the villa interest though, generally speaking, there’s not this much smoke without fire. 

I think it’s fair to question why a super fit, never injured, JWP is out of the squad around the same time said interest come about. 

I think most on here universally agreed that, unless a silly offer comes in, after ings was sold to Villa, JWP wouldn’t be. 
 

Imo he goes next summer regardless of what happens (excluding a take over).

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No one is "never injured". JWP had a good run but that doesn't mean he cannot be injured. I agree that Villa thought they could get him, I believe that to be about as illjudged as them thinking they could get Smith-Rowe. I just think all the fans who thought we were resting JWP incase of sale were wayyy off base, why didn't we rest Ings in that case? He left like 3 days after a friendly and we know they were in negotiations during that friendly?

TWar

TWar

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  On 11/08/2021 at 09:20, tajjuk said:

Hasn't he literally just been injured and only just come back to training? He missed the friendlies because of that injury. 

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Yes, but people thought it was a pretend injury because he was being sold.

 

Matthew Le God

Matthew Le God

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  On 11/08/2021 at 09:02, TWar said:

JWP back in training pics, Semmens saying definitively he stays.

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It was said at the fan forum he was back in training on Tuesday. But there has not been any photo galleries of Tuesday's training. Any photo you've seen is an old one rehashed for an article.

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