Big Bad Bob Posted 26 January, 2009 Posted 26 January, 2009 Any chance of an answer to my questions above fos1? I doubt it as there is probably no answer! More 'PR' from LC methinks! P.S. Before anyone starts I want them all gone, OK??
fos1 Posted 26 January, 2009 Author Posted 26 January, 2009 (edited) Any chance of an answer to my questions above fos1? I am unable to name the manager but I understand he spoke to someone who is proven in the Championship, I believe that this was done so that when or if Lowe and Wilde excepted his proposals that Poortvleit had to go !! he would hit the ground running to sort this mess out that Lowe has caused with this stupid Dutch idea !! This is not PR as some poster has put it is fact !! Edited 26 January, 2009 by fos1
Ponty Posted 26 January, 2009 Posted 26 January, 2009 With all due respect, this isn't a very convincing argument.
It's There Posted 26 January, 2009 Posted 26 January, 2009 Any chance of an answer to my questions above fos1? I am unable to name the manager but I understand he spoke to someone who is proven in the Championship, I believe that this was done so that when or if Lowe and Wilde excepted his proposals that Poortvleit had to go !! he would hit the ground running to sort this mess that Lowe has caused with this stupid Dutch idea !! This is not PR as some poster has put it is fact !! Question. Is this manager currently out of work? was he employed by a ccc team in the last 12 months? ta
Big Bad Bob Posted 26 January, 2009 Posted 26 January, 2009 Any chance of an answer to my questions above fos1? I am unable to name the manager but I understand he spoke to someone who is proven in the Championship, I believe that this was done so that when or if Lowe and Wilde excepted his proposals that Poortvleit had to go !! he would hit the ground running to sort this mess that Lowe has caused with this stupid Dutch idea !! FFS he 'spoke' to a 'proven' manager!! I can see it now :- LC - "Hi Davros, sorry, Ian, how are you??" ID - "Fine thanks Leon, exterminate, exterminate!!" LC - "Having a meeting with my uber-arch-nemesi tomorrow, I'm going to get them to resign, although I don't think I have much chance of success" ID - "That's nice" LC - "Fancy a job if they do resign though" ID - "Please, now where's that Dr chap got to??"
fos1 Posted 26 January, 2009 Author Posted 26 January, 2009 With all due respect, this isn't a very convincing argument. With all due respect I do not really care what you think, I know who it was, but have been asked not to reveal at this stage so end of !!
Big Bad Bob Posted 26 January, 2009 Posted 26 January, 2009 With all due respect I do not really care what you think, I know who it was, but have been asked not to reveal at this stage so end of !! Well that sure told us!!
Ponty Posted 26 January, 2009 Posted 26 January, 2009 Oh sorry, didn't realise you didn't care what anybody thought when you posted it, for public consumption, on a public forum. My bad.
NickG Posted 26 January, 2009 Posted 26 January, 2009 surely it was pretty empty as not in a position to follow it up and totally aware that Lowe/wilde would not accept the suggestion?
Mole Posted 26 January, 2009 Posted 26 January, 2009 With all due respect I do not really care what you think, I know who it was, but have been asked not to reveal at this stage so end of !! I believe you. Don't tell the Luvvies who it is though.
John B Posted 26 January, 2009 Posted 26 January, 2009 Any chance of an answer to my questions above fos1? I am unable to name the manager but I understand he spoke to someone who is proven in the Championship, I believe that this was done so that when or if Lowe and Wilde excepted his proposals that Poortvleit had to go !! he would hit the ground running to sort this mess out that Lowe has caused with this stupid Dutch idea !! This is not PR as some poster has put it is fact !! If this manager is so good why has he not got a job
Big Bad Bob Posted 26 January, 2009 Posted 26 January, 2009 surely it was pretty empty as not in a position to follow it up and totally aware that Lowe/wilde would not accept the suggestion? Now that is the £2m question
Big Bad Bob Posted 26 January, 2009 Posted 26 January, 2009 If this manager is so good why has he not got a job Because he's 'proven' (at not being very good!!) but he's British so that's alright then!!
fos1 Posted 26 January, 2009 Author Posted 26 January, 2009 Oh sorry, didn't realise you didn't care what anybody thought when you posted it, for public consumption, on a public forum. My bad. No you said it was not a very convincing argument, I was not looking for an argument, I just told you that I cannot at this stage reveal who the manager is if your not convinced then so be it, that does not bother me at all !! I know what I was told and I believe it to be fact as I will not post unless I am 100% sure as alot of people on here will tell you.
Ponty Posted 26 January, 2009 Posted 26 January, 2009 I accept that fos1, but it is a big ask to take it as fact when this place is dripping with supposition and conjecture. Anyway, like I said (and meant) no offence.
Big Bad Bob Posted 26 January, 2009 Posted 26 January, 2009 No you said it was not a very convincing argument, I was not looking for an argument, I just told you that I cannot at this stage reveal who the manager is if your not convinced then so be it, that does not bother me at all !! I know what I was told and I believe it to be fact as I will not post unless I am 100% sure as alot of people on here will tell you. Why an't you reveal who the manager was? It's not as if anything has changed is it. RL and MW are still calling the shots last time I looked!!
fos1 Posted 26 January, 2009 Author Posted 26 January, 2009 surely it was pretty empty as not in a position to follow it up and totally aware that Lowe/wilde would not accept the suggestion? If you believe it was empty then thats up to you, but I know who I would rather have in the position we find ourselves, someone who is willing to put his hand in his pocket to save us from relegation/ administration, or Lowe who has only ever taken money out of the club in wages etc and Wilde who promised to invest 2million in several board meetings and could not come up with the money. I think your find the only empty thing around here are Wildes pockets ! how is the hotel/ building trade !!
fos1 Posted 26 January, 2009 Author Posted 26 January, 2009 I accept that fos1, but it is a big ask to take it as fact when this place is dripping with supposition and conjecture. Anyway, like I said (and meant) no offence. None taken Ponty you have a Pm
Mole Posted 26 January, 2009 Posted 26 January, 2009 Why an't you reveal who the manager was? It's not as if anything has changed is it. RL and MW are still calling the shots last time I looked!! Don't tell him Pike.
Weston Saint Posted 26 January, 2009 Posted 26 January, 2009 Thanks for that Weston. He does think a lot of himself doesn't he. Or am I being over-sensitive?Yep over sensitive. But Frank is a good friend of mine so I might be bias
Gordon Mockles Posted 27 January, 2009 Posted 27 January, 2009 LOL. If Saints were a TV programme maybe we should be 'Bullseye' - look what you could have won Now there's a good idea for a thread :smt104 No way! I know Jim Bowen was a comedian but even he couldn't stand at the head of the boardroom table, with a straight face, gaze into the eyes of each of the inept board members & utter "The money you've conned, is absolutely safe!"
spain saint Posted 27 January, 2009 Posted 27 January, 2009 I am still waiting to read on here from someone ITK that posts the whole story and does not just drip feed the story! When will we ever get the Whole story on this forum!!!:mad:
Gingeletiss Posted 27 January, 2009 Posted 27 January, 2009 Because he's 'proven' (at not being very good!!) but he's British so that's alright then!! I suspect, that out of the some 300 un-employed managers with league experience, that there is at least one who is both English, and has managed a championship side.
fos1 Posted 27 January, 2009 Author Posted 27 January, 2009 I doubt it as there is probably no answer! More 'PR' from LC methinks! P.S. Before anyone starts I want them all gone, OK?? More "PR" from LC !! Take it you have read the Echo today !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Big Bad Bob Posted 27 January, 2009 Posted 27 January, 2009 More "PR" from LC !! Take it you have read the Echo today !!!!!!!!!!!!! I have but it's all about B'mouth, I don't live in the Soton catchment area! I take it you're referring to the £6m to oust MW and RL story!!
SP Saint Posted 27 January, 2009 Posted 27 January, 2009 http://www.citywire.co.uk/personal/-/news/money-property-and-tax/content.aspx?ID=327311&re=4616&ea=145598 I wonder who he had in mind.
Scummer Posted 27 January, 2009 Posted 27 January, 2009 http://www.citywire.co.uk/personal/-/news/money-property-and-tax/content.aspx?ID=327311&re=4616&ea=145598 I wonder who he had in mind. Link doesn't go to anything about Crouch.
SP Saint Posted 27 January, 2009 Posted 27 January, 2009 Sorry: http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/4078741.Crouch__Why_I_proposed_changes/
Thedelldays Posted 27 January, 2009 Posted 27 January, 2009 thought mine was a good proposal – it would have enabled us to get rid of our overdraft and give ourselves a fighting chance of bringing in some experienced players and an experienced English manager. that sensible thinking has not place at SFC
trousers Posted 27 January, 2009 Posted 27 January, 2009 Sorry: http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/4078741.Crouch__Why_I_proposed_changes/ "Crouch has had an ongoing dialogue with them since October, but the 2-1 home loss to Doncaster forced him to call a meeting between the three largest individual Southampton Leisure Holdings PLC shareholders. “I put my proposals to them but they obviously didn’t accept them because they went and put Mark Wotte in charge," said Crouch." Erm, perhaps I'm reading too much into this (for once) but if Lowe and Wilde didn't accept Crouch's proposals (which included changing the manager) then why didn't Poortvliet stay in place (whether he was pushed or resigned)? Either they accepted Crouch's proposals or they didn't? All seems a tad coincidental that Crouch come up with a plan which involves changing the manager which is turned down by Lowe and Wilde but the manager change then happens anyway.... Lost.
Gingeletiss Posted 27 January, 2009 Posted 27 January, 2009 Sigh!!!!......he wanted rid of all the Dutchmen, and install an English manager.
Snowballs2 Posted 27 January, 2009 Posted 27 January, 2009 I am still waiting to read on here from someone ITK that posts the whole story and does not just drip feed the story! When will we ever get the Whole story on this forum!!!:mad: About the 12th of never
saintjay77 Posted 27 January, 2009 Posted 27 January, 2009 Sigh!!!!......he wanted rid of all the Dutchmen, and install an English manager. Madness init, Pearson is english and took us from mid table to a relegation fight, Burley Scottish but from the Britsh isle took us from a play off team to mid table going no-where. Redcrap English again and took us out of the Prem Hoddle - English and played about with us for a while before dumping us at the 1st better offer WGS - Scottish again but like GB in the Britsh isles, had great success with us but left anyway. Wigley, Gorman, Dodd, Gray, Sturrock and probably many more all had a pop and are from the British isles but none had any success. now we are struggling to stay in the CCC and in a worse position than ever yet we need a Britsh manager to come in and make things right? Wotte and JP may not be the answer but whats wrong with trying something different?
Thedelldays Posted 27 January, 2009 Posted 27 January, 2009 Madness init, Pearson is english and took us from mid table to a relegation fight, Burley Scottish but from the Britsh isle took us from a play off team to mid table going no-where. Redcrap English again and took us out of the Prem Hoddle - English and played about with us for a while before dumping us at the 1st better offer WGS - Scottish again but like GB in the Britsh isles, had great success with us but left anyway. Wigley, Gorman, Dodd, Gray, Sturrock and probably many more all had a pop and are from the British isles but none had any success. now we are struggling to stay in the CCC and in a worse position than ever yet we need a Britsh manager to come in and make things right? Wotte and JP may not be the answer but whats wrong with trying something different? how dare you say that..you will now be classed as a lowe luvvie for daring to mutter such words
trousers Posted 27 January, 2009 Posted 27 January, 2009 Wotte and JP may not be the answer but whats wrong with trying something different? Nothing. But how long do you conduct an experiment before realising it's flawed?
ottery st mary Posted 27 January, 2009 Posted 27 January, 2009 Madness init, Pearson is english and took us from mid table to a relegation fight, Burley Scottish but from the Britsh isle took us from a play off team to mid table going no-where. Redcrap English again and took us out of the Prem Hoddle - English and played about with us for a while before dumping us at the 1st better offer WGS - Scottish again but like GB in the Britsh isles, had great success with us but left anyway. Wigley, Gorman, Dodd, Gray, Sturrock and probably many more all had a pop and are from the British isles but none had any success. now we are struggling to stay in the CCC and in a worse position than ever yet we need a Britsh manager to come in and make things right? Wotte and JP may not be the answer but whats wrong with trying something different? Our local kebab shop has good Manager called stavros...Lots of wonga and will improve the catering.
Thedelldays Posted 27 January, 2009 Posted 27 January, 2009 call me crazy...but lets see how wotte gets on in the next 3 games at least
saintjay77 Posted 27 January, 2009 Posted 27 January, 2009 how dare you say that..you will now be classed as a lowe luvvie for daring to mutter such words I am only saying thosse words because Lowe got to me and twisted my arm. I am sorry and it wont happen again
eelpie Posted 27 January, 2009 Posted 27 January, 2009 Hoddle - English and played about with us for a while before dumping us at the 1st better offer To be fair, Hoddle revived a flagging team after a poor start when he took over, and had us playing decent football. This is why we were all so angry when he left. We ended the season in 10th position, despite only winning twice in nine matches after he left at the end of March that season (2000-1).
saintjay77 Posted 27 January, 2009 Posted 27 January, 2009 Nothing. But how long do you conduct an experiment before realising it's flawed? I understand that and couldnt agree more. I didnt personally want to see JP get the boot cause he seemed like he was a nice guy and was trying to do whats right. results tell there own story though so it was right for a change. Wotte however is a different person and deserves a chance doesnt he? The club have decided to change strategy's from the good old english manager that we have had for a long time with limited success to a new dutch type system with a focus on getting the most out of the whole squad from the acadamy upwards. How long did we perserver with the good old english approach? same system with different managers for years and only WGS got messured success. New dutch system has had less than 1 season so its still got some legs IMO. 1 manager couldnt get the best out of it so we are onto another. we are limited by the financial side of things but will work with what we have. If we went whole heartedly into this type of system with prem funds I think it could be very successful as the calibre of managers, coachs, players and youth we could attract would be far greater than we have now and the benifits would be allot bigger.
saintjay77 Posted 27 January, 2009 Posted 27 January, 2009 To be fair, Hoddle revived a flagging team after a poor start when he took over, and had us playing decent football. This is why we were all so angry when he left. We ended the season in 10th position, despite only winning twice in nine matches after he left at the end of March that season (2000-1). yeah sorry im not trying to be 100% factual on any of the managers or trying to have a dig at them. I dont pin the blame on getting dragged into a relegation fight on pearson but the facts are he was it happend under his stewardship. When hoddle was here we looked better but nothing of any note really happened. had he seen out the season I believe we would have had a europe spot and things would probably look allot different now.
John B Posted 27 January, 2009 Posted 27 January, 2009 (edited) Nothing. But how long do you conduct an experiment before realising it's flawed? The strategy is to keep us out of Administration I would have thought nothing to do with how well we play this season. I thought if we survive this year then obviously more focus will put onto developing the team It may have worked if we had sold some of Rasiak John Euell Thomas Skacel Saga Lallana or Surman but no club seems to want them and our overdraft is still high. I still cannot see how as a club we can progress if we do not get a huge investment without developing some good young players who do not demand wages of £10000 per week which we will be unable to afford Edited 27 January, 2009 by John B
trousers Posted 27 January, 2009 Posted 27 January, 2009 Wotte however is a different person and deserves a chance doesnt he? Agree. Just can't work out why he wasn't installed in the role last July.
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 27 January, 2009 Posted 27 January, 2009 So I suppose he saw his birth certificate and said "Yep, that proves you're english Mr ...er..., " "Get in line behind all the other guys clamouring to work here. What's that you say, there is no line? Oh."
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