Lunatic Fridge Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 That's sad, you might actually learn something. Frank is not pro Lowe or anti Crouch. He can see through all the crap being dished out and has some reasonable balanced views. Just a bit long winded at times as he acknowledges. Can't fault his passion for SFC though. Passion for who- do me a favour. His only passion is his own/voice and pro-Lowe garbage which he unfortunately posts on here ad nauseam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stthrobber Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 He had everyone united at the end of last season. (not for the first time) you are talking bolllocks. No he didn't have everyone united at the end of last season. In fact he dithered badly after Burley's departure and in appointing Dodd/Gorman to run team affairs he almost cost us our Championship place last year. So many people on this board were up in arms over the appointment of Pearson as a cheap option when it happened, but he managed to keep us up by the skin of our teeth, yet now he's seen as a messiah who could have worked wonders with the kids. I think if he had appointed a known quantity when Burley left and had begun to reduce the wage bill earlier, things might have been a bit different for him. I'm fed up with this merry go round of major shareholders and am neither for nor against any of them, between them all they've been slowly killing my interest in Saints. The way to unite the fans is for them all to work together and bring success back. I don't know that Crouch on his own is the right man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 , yet now he's seen as a messiah who could have worked wonders with the kids. He was involved with the England U21 set-up including a spell as the Manager so I guess the FA thought he had the appropriate skills to coach younger players. Sorry if this doesn't fit in with your agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliemiller Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Leon Crouch had a proven championship English manager lined up He had a meeting with Lowe, Wilde on Friday and told them that Poortvleit, Wotte and Gorre had too go ! I also believe that he wanted Lowe and Wilde to step down so as the club could be united !! DOWIE is not proven he has failed everywhere he has been . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Proven to be English? Do we get to see his passport as proof of this amazing revelation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyFartPants Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 DOWIE is not proven he has failed everywhere he has been . Not English either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Not English either. Yes he is. May have played for NI but he's not from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 The way to unite the fans is for them all to work together. I think you're wrong. Lowe and Wilde at Saints in any capacity is no longer an option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Jason Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Can someone tell me how he has the permission to line a manager up? As for uniting the fanbase I agree 100% that NP did unite the fanbase.I will add though IF we were noe in the same position the unrest would be the same. It all depends on if there is a belief the outcome would be different.I myself think he would have done better than Jan but it is all conjecture. The fact is the unrest has only come to the surface in the last couple of games when fans patience has been tested most, whenb the spectre of relegation has become most evident. Fans were predicting AL and AS etc would be sold by now, that has not happened (although there is time) had our home form been slightly better with 2 extra wins the protests would not be ongoing. I would imagine he'd have exactly the same right, as a major shareholder, to talk to any manager, player, agent he wants to. Pretty much the same way that lowe was talking to Jan & Wotte while Crouch was chairman, or is only ok when its Lowe doing the talking??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyFartPants Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Yes he is. May have played for NI but he's not from there. I'll decide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stthrobber Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 He was involved with the England U21 set-up including a spell as the Manager so I guess the FA thought he had the appropriate skills to coach younger players. Sorry if this doesn't fit in with your agenda. Agenda? I have no agenda. I'm merely pointing out that we escaped relegation by the skin of our teeth, yet the very fans that were severely underwhelmed by his appointment are now saying how wrong it was that we didn't keep him here. I was not entirely convinced by him when he was here but concede he's doing very well at Leicester now, but that is at a lower level and under far less financial constraints than he would be here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild-saint Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 forget all the bullshot posted by both sides above. Am I the only person who sees crouch replacing lowe as effective as Wotte replacing JP? Sounds like deck chair shuffling again. Things will never change at this club untill all the current key shareholders have moved on and the club is in the hands of a single majority shareholder who is passionate about footy (and saints) with some money to stabilse the finances. until that day the only thing that I can do is turn up support the lads and hope for the knight in shining armour to put his money where his mouth is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stthrobber Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 I think you're wrong. Lowe and Wilde at Saints in any capacity is no longer an option. Maybe Tris, but we've tried Lowe, we've tried Wilde, we've tried Crouch, we've now tried Lowe and Wilde together. It's just my opinion but I think all 3 together can turn things around, or all 3 together selling up and p!ssing off might turn things around, but in the absence of a viable alternative I think all that is happening now is that the club and fans are going further away from each other. The major obstacle would be that even with Crouch back on the board he would be outvoted a few times, but if he has the clout, then he should be invited back. They have all made mistakes, so maybe together they can put things right. I can't say things can't get worse because they most certainly can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Agenda? I have no agenda. I'm merely pointing out that we escaped relegation by the skin of our teeth, yet the very fans that were severely underwhelmed by his appointment are now saying how wrong it was that we didn't keep him here. I was not entirely convinced by him when he was here but concede he's doing very well at Leicester now, but that is at a lower level and under far less financial constraints than he would be here. Yes that's a fair comment and my comment was not appropriate to you - apologies. It does get a little tiresome when the mantra regarding his alledged inability to work with youngsters is muted as a primary reason for his non-appointment. It's been proven to be a complete falsehood but doesn't stop some repeating it. The position the team was in should also be considered when referring to Pearson's performance but again it's all too convenient to ignore that. I too wasn't overly enamered by his appointment but seeing the structure, confidence and teamwork he introduced after the baffling time of Burley's latterly tenure was very refreshing. He has showed at Leicester that it was no fluke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landford.saint Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 NICKH assertion that dissent only in last couple of games is wide of the mark by about 10/12 games. Maybe not as publically vocal but listen to any group of fans since about sept/october the discussion always comes down to JP nice but out of his depth. And as for dissent against Lowe thats been there since coming back and the NP debacle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Jason Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Maybe Tris, but we've tried Lowe, we've tried Wilde, we've tried Crouch, we've now tried Lowe and Wilde together. It's just my opinion but I think all 3 together can turn things around, or all 3 together selling up and p!ssing off might turn things around, but in the absence of a viable alternative I think all that is happening now is that the club and fans are going further away from each other. The major obstacle would be that even with Crouch back on the board he would be outvoted a few times, but if he has the clout, then he should be invited back. They have all made mistakes, so maybe together they can put things right. I can't say things can't get worse because they most certainly can Not arguing with you, your post makes sense, it'll never happen and i'll never get behind Lowe, but your post is a good valid post. My only question is, what exactly did Crouch do wrong? I'm not saying he is the answer or "the knoght in shinning armour" i'm just interested in knowing what he's done wrong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Paul Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Dont know if this has been posted, but according to Talksport Mark Cooper from Kettering is being linked with a role at Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Quote: Originally Posted by nickh Can someone tell me how he has the permission to line a manager up? As for uniting the fanbase I agree 100% that NP did unite the fanbase.I will add though IF we were noe in the same position the unrest would be the same. It all depends on if there is a belief the outcome would be different.I myself think he would have done better than Jan but it is all conjecture. The fact is the unrest has only come to the surface in the last couple of games when fans patience has been tested most, whenb the spectre of relegation has become most evident. Fans were predicting AL and AS etc would be sold by now, that has not happened (although there is time) had our home form been slightly better with 2 extra wins the protests would not be ongoing. From FC...The short answer is he does not - if he has spoken with an Out of work manager, he is entitled to do so, but not as a a rep of the club, if hes spoken to someone currently in a job or to their chairman, has he now become an agent? Not to broker any sort of argument, but everyman and his dog on here, has at one time or another had their say 'HCDAJFU', all Leon has allegedly done, is take this one step foward........good on him I say, at least he has the right motives, unlike some on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Can someone tell me how he has the permission to line a manager up? As for uniting the fanbase I agree 100% that NP did unite the fanbase.I will add though IF we were noe in the same position the unrest would be the same. It all depends on if there is a belief the outcome would be different.I myself think he would have done better than Jan but it is all conjecture. The fact is the unrest has only come to the surface in the last couple of games when fans patience has been tested most, whenb the spectre of relegation has become most evident. Fans were predicting AL and AS etc would be sold by now, that has not happened (although there is time) had our home form been slightly better with 2 extra wins the protests would not be ongoing. Anyone who went to the Burnley game at home could easily get the opposite impression of Pearson uniting the fans, just think back to the atmosphere after the end of that game, along with the boo's. There was total unity in the euphoria of escaping relegation on the final day of the season. I liked Pearson and thought he should of stayed, but equally I realised relegation was still more than likely under him. There is no doubt in my mind that Jan lost the plot against Doncaster because of the pressure and that is what did for him in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 I've read some sh1te on this board over the years...people ought to look at the post before judgeing...did they not not see the laughing emotion?It is jest but sadly it proves it must hit a nerve, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Crouch should be in charge. He worked 5 days a week for free last season. He cares for this club. The other two dont. He has a right nickh because he owns 10% of the club. He had us united at the end of last season. Throbber nice to see you are still in lowe's pocket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Summers Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 I'd love to know who this proven manager was/is, mainly because it would enable us (the forum users) to decide whether or not he'd have been up to the job. Personally, I'd be inclined to believe that Leon would have spoken with the ''right'' man for the job, within circumstances.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Shots on target and particular ones that end up in the back of the net is what really unites clubs,teams and fanbases. To be honest, it wouldn't matter if Lowe held a press meeting and in his palm was a baby button mushroom which he had just installed as manager. If it went on a 5 match unbeaten run then people would be happy. I also could not see Crouch getting the feel good factor at the club by coming back and it certainly wouldn't unite everyone. It might among those with alzheimers. First a truly ridiculous analogy, followed by an inference that those who might support the return the return of Crouch must be senile. You're really excelling yourself today, JFPs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Maybe Tris, but we've tried Lowe, we've tried Wilde, we've tried Crouch, we've now tried Lowe and Wilde together. It's just my opinion but I think all 3 together can turn things around, or all 3 together selling up and p!ssing off might turn things around, but in the absence of a viable alternative I think all that is happening now is that the club and fans are going further away from each other. The major obstacle would be that even with Crouch back on the board he would be outvoted a few times, but if he has the clout, then he should be invited back. They have all made mistakes, so maybe together they can put things right. I can't say things can't get worse because they most certainly can Common sense - so as we're talking about SFC it won't happen! Seriously though, it does my head in that our major shareholders are squabbling whilst the club folds in front of us. This is where Askham should at last take some responsibility - he did nothing but line his filthy pockets whilst Chairman, oh, and bring us Ian Branfoot - and bring everyone around a table whether they like it or not! Even if it results in a lot of mud-slinging. The point is, Crouch may be more palatable for most of us than Lowe or Wilde but can he buy them out for say 30p a share? If he can't and this lot can't figure a way forward between them, administration is inevitable. All we've had since 2006 is the group that are outside the tent p!ssing back into the tent on those occupying it and both sides have been EQUALLY guilty. If that cycle doesn't end, we've had it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Crouch should be in charge. He worked 5 days a week for free last season. He cares for this club. The other two dont. He has a right nickh because he owns 10% of the club. He had us united at the end of last season. Throbber nice to see you are still in lowe's pocket.If he wons 10% of the club that does not give him the right to line up managers.He might have an opinion on who he'd like, the same as anybody. I want Lowe gone as he has not acted correctly IMO and not been decisive in appointing somebody wiyth knowhow in this league. I will try and give Wotte a chance but Iam not holding out much hope. as for LC should be in charge, he will not reunite the club either. as for giving 5 free days, whoopee do da , spending time around a fotball club is a chore aint it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 If he wons 10% of the club that does not give him the right to line up managers.He might have an opinion on who he'd like, the same as anybody. I want Lowe gone as he has not acted correctly IMO and not been decisive in appointing somebody wiyth knowhow in this league. I will try and give Wotte a chance but Iam not holding out much hope. as for LC should be in charge, he will not reunite the club either. as for giving 5 free days, whoopee do da , spending time around a fotball club is a chore aint it. Agree with your basic point on Crouch Nick but if LC doesn't have the right, nor does Lowe on 5.5%! Wilde is the key to all this, he and Askham need to grow some balls and get people around a table like Stthrobber suggests, however acrimonious it gets aka Runneymede. The club HAS TO COME FIRST! Unless Leon has a sugar daddy lined up, we're in for more of the same and administration by March. I'd personally prefer Leon as Chair as I think he's a better businessman than Mike Wilde ever was and he seems to have a better knowledge of English football but we'd be back to the Lowe crowd sniping and trying to get the steering wheel back and vice versa. It's akin to two sets of crews fighting over the control gear on a helicopter and the helicopter crashes because people were so busy fighting they didn't see a huge mountain! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 I fail to see how Crouch going through the trouble to find a decent manager in his own time is a bad thing. lowe is paid to do the job yet has failed miserably so far this season. This club needs Crouch back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Frank, smell the coffee please, I have met you and I think you know that this is not gossip, did you hear what Mary Corbett has just said live on radio solent !!! Fos, was not saying YOU are the spreader of gossip, but I just dont get why Crouch would tell us about this if he is involved in any difficult discussions... surely you and FF can see how it can look contrived to at this sensitive time to have this 'positive PR' released? It may simply be the ultimate in cynicism, but I just cant trust these guys: any of them. Lowe's incompetent decisions and awful communication, Wildes bull, and Crouch -who seems according to some to be too good to be true, certainly from a PR perspective - Sorry Duncan, you say he is 'quiet man' but what of all the criticism on here when he first came on the scene? Those of you out there that can still not understand that this is not and has never been a 'if you're not with us, you're against us' eg, just because you question and have issues with one side does NOT FECKING mean you support the other, I give up, you are obviously not prepared to see this in that way so insult me all you like, but if you expect any respect for your opinions that has to work both ways.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Passion for who- do me a favour. His only passion is his own/voice and pro-Lowe garbage which he unfortunately posts on here ad nauseam. Its almost laughable and merely highlights the extent of your ignorance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Fos, was not saying YOU are the spreader of gossip, but I just dont get why Crouch would tell us about this if he is involved in any difficult discussions... surely you and FF can see how it can look contrived to at this sensitive time to have this 'positive PR' released? It may simply be the ultimate in cynicism, but I just cant trust these guys: any of them. Lowe's incompetent decisions and awful communication, Wildes bull, and Crouch -who seems according to some to be too good to be true, certainly from a PR perspective - Sorry Duncan, you say he is 'quiet man' but what of all the criticism on here when he first came on the scene? Those of you out there that can still not understand that this is not and has never been a 'if you're not with us, you're against us' eg, just because you question and have issues with one side does NOT FECKING mean you support the other, I give up, you are obviously not prepared to see this in that way so insult me all you like, but if you expect any respect for your opinions that has to work both ways.. So what are you saying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Its almost laughable and merely highlights the extent of your ignorance. From the guy who's consistently made excuses for Lowe's Dutch gamble from day 1. It's obvious to anyone with a brain that we don't stand a chance of staying up unless the club are united behind a manager with Championship experience - that can clearly only happen under Crouch. Stop talking ****** and admit it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wopper Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Let them lose their money Leon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 From the guy who's consistently made excuses for Lowe's Dutch gamble from day 1. It's obvious to anyone with a brain that we don't stand a chance of staying up unless the club are united behind a manager with Championship experience - that can clearly only happen under Crouch. Stop talking ****** and admit it. Where have I denied that? or argued against it - go back a page and read the thread 'Wotte de feck' - but you see because i have defended 'ideas' you get branded one oer the other ion this site awith no room in between which is pretty pathetic really... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Fos' date=' was not saying YOU are the spreader of gossip, but I just dont get why Crouch would tell us about this if he is involved in any difficult discussions... surely you and FF can see how it can look contrived to at this sensitive time to have this 'positive PR' released? It may simply be the ultimate in cynicism, but I just cant trust these guys: any of them. Lowe's incompetent decisions and awful communication, Wildes bull, and Crouch -who seems according to some to be too good to be true, certainly from a PR perspective - [b']Sorry Duncan, you say he is 'quiet man' but what of all the criticism on here when he first came on the scene? [/b]Those of you out there that can still not understand that this is not and has never been a 'if you're not with us, you're against us' eg, just because you question and have issues with one side does NOT FECKING mean you support the other, I give up, you are obviously not prepared to see this in that way so insult me all you like, but if you expect any respect for your opinions that has to work both ways.. Have to agree with that - For me Leon's ability to shoot from the lip and publish his aspirations without much in the way of substance leads me to consider once again why I should trust him with the leadership of our club. He is big on rhetoric but when he had his chance this time last year I was very underwhelmed by his leadership and perceived lack of control of events at the time. And again, how can he return to the chair without the shareholding of the blithering idiot Wilde ( The worst of the lot IMO) swinging his way. I truly despair of the situation at my club and am royally fecked off with all 3 of the amigo's. But unless Leon can come up with a concrete viable alternative thats different to the usual game of "deckchair shuffling" thats been rife at this club for all too long, then I personally don't welcome more and more rhetoric that raises the expectations of the long suffering fans only for it all to fall flat again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wopper Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Leon Crouch made his millions the hard way but people still question his ability to run a poxy football club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Leon Crouch made his millions the hard way but people still question his ability to run a poxy football club.I definately respect him for that but football clubs are a difernt entity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Have to agree with that - For me Leon's ability to shoot from the lip and publish his aspirations without much in the way of substance leads me to consider once again why I should trust him with the leadership of our club. He is big on rhetoric but when he had his chance this time last year I was very underwhelmed by his leadership and perceived lack of control of events at the time. And again, how can he return to the chair without the shareholding of the blithering idiot Wilde ( The worst of the lot IMO) swinging his way. I truly despair of the situation at my club and am royally fecked off with all 3 of the amigo's. But unless Leon can come up with a concrete viable alternative thats different to the usual game of "deckchair shuffling" thats been rife at this club for all too long, then I personally don't welcome more and more rhetoric that raises the expectations of the long suffering fans only for it all to fall flat again. What FF and the others seem to misunderstand is that I would welcome anyone INCLUDING CRouch who has concrete plans -but to date all we have seen is more of the same - nothng concrete - which just builds up bickering in the background once again potentially from the current incumbants - - we saw it last time and we see it now, it certainly does not help having public slangings... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 DOWIE is not proven he has failed everywhere he has been . There is often a lot of rubbish posted on here, but that takes the biscuit. At Oldham he took them into the playoffs, and then worked there despite not being paid due to massive financial problems. He took Palace up to the prem, and then very nearly kept them up despite having very little money to spend. At Charlton he was given 12 games. I don't think you can judge a manager on 12 games. At Coventry he was manager for 49 games in total, and had 20 wins, 21 draws with a win percentage of 40. That's verging on automatic promotion form. At QPR he was manager for 15 games, and won 8 of them, and left the club in 9th position. How you can say he was a failure everywhere i really do not know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Jason Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 if he was Rupert Coruch, or Sebastian Crouch no doubt he would have the same animosity How ignorant, is that your only argument for retaining the services of Mr. Lowe?? For me, and i'm not alone, it has nothing to do with his name, he could be called Matt Le Tissier for all I care, if he ran the club the same as he has and is I'd still want rid! How ignorant and arrogant to insinuate that its his name that people dislike, a bit like the great man himself! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 There is often a lot of rubbish posted on here, but that takes the biscuit. At Oldham he took them into the playoffs, and then worked there despite not being paid due to massive financial problems. He took Palace up to the prem, and then very nearly kept them up despite having very little money to spend. At Charlton he was given 12 games. I don't think you can judge a manager on 12 games. At Coventry he was manager for 49 games in total, and had 20 wins, 21 draws with a win percentage of 40. That's verging on automatic promotion form. At QPR he was manager for 15 games, and won 8 of them, and left the club in 9th position. How you can say he was a failure everywhere i really do not know. You are absolutely correct that Dowie is most certainly a proven CCC manager who would be a brilliant acquisition for us. However knowing our luck we would be lined up with Glenn Roeder ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 I definately respect him for that but football clubs are a difernt entity. Yet you support Lowe? why? can you name me anything that has been successful since he came back and had another go at ruining the club? My position is as always I want the 3 gone forever but cannot see how anyone can support Lowe and Wilde what do they bring? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stthrobber Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Not arguing with you, your post makes sense, it'll never happen and i'll never get behind Lowe, but your post is a good valid post. My only question is, what exactly did Crouch do wrong? I'm not saying he is the answer or "the knoght in shinning armour" i'm just interested in knowing what he's done wrong! Well, with hindsight, he let 2 of our best players go during last winter's transfer window when we really needed them, however, fast forward to Lowe's return and you can say "really? only 2" He appointed Dodd/Gorman in place far too long and eventually as a kneejerk, Pearson was brought in. He didn't really do enough to reduce our debts during his 2nd tenure as Chairman, and during his first, he was completely out manoeuvred by Hone. These are all fairly minor in comparison with the damage that Hone did to our club, but the spin doctors would have you believe that all of our major financial woes started when Crouch was Chairman last time, and really I've come to realise that the real villains were the Wilde Bunch that were brought in when Lowe left. I certainly wouldn't be averse to his return Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Well, with hindsight, he let 2 of our best players go during last winter's transfer window when we really needed them, however, fast forward to Lowe's return and you can say "really? only 2" He appointed Dodd/Gorman in place far too long and eventually as a kneejerk, Pearson was brought in. He didn't really do enough to reduce our debts during his 2nd tenure as Chairman, and during his first, he was completely out manoeuvred by Hone. These are all fairly minor in comparison with the damage that Hone did to our club, but the spin doctors would have you believe that all of our major financial woes started when Crouch was Chairman last time, and really I've come to realise that the real villains were the Wilde Bunch that were brought in when Lowe left. I certainly wouldn't be averse to his return Sorry but do you not contradict yourself with the bold bits above - he certainly tried to reduce the debts with Skacel and Rasiak wages - something that angered me greatly at the time. I totally agree with the last bit - Wilde is just as much to blame here as Lowe and gets off far too lightly IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 You are absolutely correct that Dowie is most certainly a proven CCC manager who would be a brilliant acquisition for us. However knowing our luck we would be lined up with Glenn Roeder ! Not only that, but he has a history with the club having played here and would also, no doubt, bring his assistant manager with him, one Tim Flowers, who also has a long history with the club. I think Dowie could just be the man for us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Leon Crouch made his millions the hard way but people still question his ability to run a poxy football club. As an avid fan I think it is very difficult to run a football club objectively Difficult but not impossible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Not only that, but he has a history with the club having played here and would also, no doubt, bring his assistant manager with him, one Tim Flowers, who also has a long history with the club. I think Dowie could just be the man for us Nothing is guarnteed in football he may do well Dowies has succeeded in the past and also failed as well Likewise with Curbishley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 How ignorant, is that your only argument for retaining the services of Mr. Lowe?? For me, and i'm not alone, it has nothing to do with his name, he could be called Matt Le Tissier for all I care, if he ran the club the same as he has and is I'd still want rid! How ignorant and arrogant to insinuate that its his name that people dislike, a bit like the great man himself!I put this above you may have missed it 'people ought to look at the post before judgeing...did they not not see the laughing emotion?It is jest but sadly it proves it must hit a nerve,' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 I put this above you may have missed it 'people ought to look at the post before judgeing...did they not not see the laughing emotion?It is jest but sadly it proves it must hit a nerve,' You should put the smiley thing at the end of the text, idiots can see it then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Nothing is guarnteed in football he may do well Dowies has succeeded in the past and also failed as well Likewise with Curbishley Not disputing that. Things didn't go to plan at all for him at Charlton. But for people to say he has failed everywhere he has been is complete nonsense. Appointing a manager is always a risk. Look at Burley, who had a pretty damn good record before he came to us. Look how he did. I don't think we could get a manager with better credentials than Dowie, that's all i'm trying to say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Yet you support Lowe? why? can you name me anything that has been successful since he came back and had another go at ruining the club? My position is as always I want the 3 gone forever but cannot see how anyone can support Lowe and Wilde what do they bring?Ron you have not read my posts correctly or am making incorrect judgements.I do NOT support RL since his slow replacement of Jan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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