Saints 1-4 Newcastle - Match Thread

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, tisspahars said:

Salisu and ABK is our no1 partnership imo.

I dont think there is much between Salisu and Caleta-Car, from what we've seen ABK is the best of the 3. Caleta-Car could end up being the new Fonte, a bit older and experienced and we partner him with a younger player who has a higher ceiling. It's a good problem to have, certainly a huge upgrade from relying on the likes of Bednarek, Stephens, Yoshida and Verstergaard for the last few years. 

Edited 1 November, 2022 by Turkish

[Saint Billy]

Lavia will come on then go off early with reoccurrence of injury. 

JWP will have another ineffective game but wii manage to play a couple of decent back passes. 

Lynaco will get sent off for giving the ref a glaswegian kiss. 

A Armstrong will scuff an almighty divot out of the turf which will bust the net but the ball will trickle over the line for a goalkick. 

RH will sit on his seat with his head in his hands most of the match thinking "what the fuck do i have to do for them to sack me, ffs just do it now so I can leave with my contract payout and get out of this hell hole".

 

[LiberalCommunist]

4-1

but we’

ll score first before retreating into our shell. 

[Bad Wolf]

2 hours ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Be good to win this one. Wipe that smug arse look from Eddie Howe's face.

This. One of the most unlikable managers in the league.

[Highfield Saint]

27 minutes ago, Turkish said:

I dont think there is much between Salisu and Caleta-Car, from what we've seen ABK is the best of the 3. Caleta-Car could end up being the new Fonte, a bit older and experienced and we partner him with a younger player who has a higher ceiling. It's a good problem to have, certainly a huge upgrade from relying on the likes of Bednarek, Stephens, Yoshida and Verstergaard for the last few years. 

Potentially a very effective three with DCC in the centre between ABK and MS. ABK and MS have the pace to cope with wilson, Almiron et al 

[Saint Garrett]

6 minutes ago, Highfield Saint said:

Potentially a very effective three with DCC in the centre between ABK and MS. ABK and MS have the pace to cope with wilson, Almiron et al 

Yup - certainly wouldn't be uphappy with that.

 

---------------Bazunu---------------

------ABK------DCC-------Sali------

AMN-----------Lavia------------Perraud

-------Armstrong-----JWP-----------

---------Armstrong-Adams------------

[Dellman]

28 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said:

This. One of the most  unlikable managers in the league.

 That sounds like jealousy, I wish he were here

[Bad Wolf]

Just now, Dellman said:

 That sounds like jealousy, I wish he were here

I don't. I'd rather have Redknapp back.

[cloggy saint]

33 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said:

This. One of the most unlikable managers in the league.

Strange, I always found him one of the more likeable.

[Bad Wolf]

2 minutes ago, cloggy saint said:

Strange, I always found him one of the more likeable.

He's not the 'Mr Nice Guy' he's portrayed as. Not saying he's a bad manager btw, I just don't think he's as great as everyone makes him out to be either.

[alehouseboys]

1 minute ago, Bad Wolf said:

He's not the 'Mr Nice Guy' he's portrayed as. Not saying he's a bad manager btw, I just don't think he's as great as everyone makes him out to be either.

But you’d still rather have Redknapp back. As someone once said “wowoweewah”

[Bad Wolf]

1 minute ago, alehouseboys said:

But you’d still rather have Redknapp back. As someone once said “wowoweewah”

Okay, the Redknapp comment was an exaggeration.

[Turkish]

56 minutes ago, Highfield Saint said:

Potentially a very effective three with DCC in the centre between ABK and MS. ABK and MS have the pace to cope with wilson, Almiron et al 

 

48 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said:

Yup - certainly wouldn't be uphappy with that.

 

---------------Bazunu---------------

------ABK------DCC-------Sali------

AMN-----------Lavia------------Perraud

-------Armstrong-----JWP-----------

---------Armstrong-Adams------------

It is and that is probably the best line up we can put out right now. However we generally look pretty crap with 3/5 at the back which is quite an achievement.

[saintant]

49 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said:

He's not the 'Mr Nice Guy' he's portrayed as. Not saying he's a bad manager btw, I just don't think he's as great as everyone makes him out to be either.

What makes you say he's not a nice guy?

[Saint86]

2 hours ago, Turkish said:

I dont think there is much between Salisu and Caleta-Car, from what we've seen ABK is the best of the 3. Caleta-Car could end up being the new Fonte, a bit older and experienced and we partner him with a younger player who has a higher ceiling. It's a good problem to have, certainly a huge upgrade from relying on the likes of Bednarek, Stephens, Yoshida and Verstergaard for the last few years. 

Yeah, currently our defence is pretty solid. If you consider that KWP, ABK, and livramento have all been out, and yet we've still managed to field a reasonably competent back line - its fairly impressive really.

As has been said to death. The error in recruitment was not getting in some quality attackers, and no getting back up for Lavia as the midfield anchor. Romeu and Redmond have been big misses for us the last few games - which says a lot about quality and depth in their positions. Getting Tella back from his loan would also add an extra threat for us.

[SNSUN]

3 hours ago, Turkish said:

I dont think there is much between Salisu and Caleta-Car, from what we've seen ABK is the best of the 3. Caleta-Car could end up being the new Fonte, a bit older and experienced and we partner him with a younger player who has a higher ceiling. It's a good problem to have, certainly a huge upgrade from relying on the likes of Bednarek, Stephens, Yoshida and Verstergaard for the last few years. 

Yep, typical Saints, in a season where we look like one of the favourites to go down we actually have the best set of CBs we've had in seasons. It's for this reason that I think we have a chance of survival, but only if we go out in January and sign the attacking players we need. I randomly look at other teams histories on Wikipedia and was drawn back to the time West Ham signed Kitson and Hartson and they propelled them to safety (not to mention the obvious time they signed Tevez and Mascherano). We need to do the same in January.

 

IMO with everyone fit we have to go with the 3 CBs (certainly against more attacking teams) - A back 8 of Bazunu, ABK, DCC, Salisu, KWP (or Tino if fit with KWP LWB), JWP, Lavia, Perraud almost writes itself. Then stick some quality new attacking signings up front with one or two of the current lot and you really think we should be staying up with that. 

[Toadhall Saint]

Draw at best. ☹️

[Saint Fan CaM]

They’ve got better players, particularly in midfield and have a better manager who knows how to get the best out of a team, unlike Ralph who persists with a system that doesn’t work. They’ll trounce us 0-3…perhaps worse. Would love to go into a home game against a club like Newcastle thinking we’ve got a fighting chance, but those days are long gone.

We’ll see JWP get his pass completed stats up by going sideways and backwards 95% of the time. We’ll see a lack of attacking guile to pass through defensive lines, with most going out to the wing before being recycled back to a defender or Bazunu. We’ll see a small number of shots on goal and some fluffed chances.

Hovering just above the R zone, think this one will mark the beginning of the end of our EPL tenure unless SR find the balls to sack Ralph and the money to buy a very decent striker early doors in January.

[The Left Back]

28 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

They’ve got better players, particularly in midfield and have a better manager who knows how to get the best out of a team, unlike Ralph who persists with a system that doesn’t work. They’ll trounce us 0-3…perhaps worse. Would love to go into a home game against a club like Newcastle thinking we’ve got a fighting chance, but those days are long gone.

Not that long unless you have a very short life span.  I think Arsenal was only 9 days ago.  

[Harry_SFC]

5 hours ago, saintant said:

What makes you say he's not a nice guy?

Who knows, seems like he has a weird agenda against him. I did some work for Eddie a few years ago and he came across as a really sound bloke. 

Would 100% take him over Ralph, that's for sure. 

[JRM]

On 31/10/2022 at 19:08, The Cat said:

The worst thing about this game is going to be the arrogance of their fans. I hope they never win anything.

They're incredibly smug at the moment, we still owe them one for the dirty tricks last season playing the covid card when they had a load of injuries before transfer window opened. 

In fairness to them they've sold out 3300 for Sunday 2pm, think there's  train strike / engineering work again this weekend so good effort. Loads of home end seats still available not surprisingly although thought it might appeal a bit more being our last home league game for 7 weeks. 

[AlexLaw76]

1 hour ago, Harry_SFC said:

Who knows, seems like he has a weird agenda against him. I did some work for Eddie a few years ago and he came across as a really sound bloke. 

Would 100% take him over Ralph, that's for sure. 

There is a very strange agenda here against Howe from a collection of posters

Edited 1 November, 2022 by AlexLaw76

[Appy]

On 31/10/2022 at 18:33, Saint Garrett said:

Very good solid side, they bullied us off the pitch last season.

RB is obviously a problem for us, but the options are basically, AMN, Lyanco, Elyounoussi or JWP.

Not sure I fancy any of those really, who plays left wing for them? Almiron?

Fingers crossed Lavia can sit in alongside AMN and maybe JWP RB?

Saint-Maximin will be on the left I expect so that’ll be fun 

[Hodgey]

If you look at their first 11 - this shouldn’t be a team we particularly fear, especially when at home. If we want to stay up, we need to get points from fixtures like this. I don’t see them battering us, I think it’ll be another close run game - probably another 1-0 or 1-1. Hopefully Almeron’s purple patch is over and Che has his shooting boots on. If Lavia is fit I’d love to see a midfield of him, AMN and JWP so we can actually try and win a midfield for once. Right back is still a problem, but we need to try Paine out at some point so may as well be now. Then Che and both Armstrong’s in the front 3. Isn’t A Armstrong a geordie ? He may actually look to prove a point.

[notnowcato]

5 hours ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

They’ve got better players, particularly in midfield and have a better manager who knows how to get the best out of a team, unlike Ralph who persists with a system that doesn’t work. They’ll trounce us 0-3…perhaps worse. Would love to go into a home game against a club like Newcastle thinking we’ve got a fighting chance, but those days are long gone.

We’ll see JWP get his pass completed stats up by going sideways and backwards 95% of the time. We’ll see a lack of attacking guile to pass through defensive lines, with most going out to the wing before being recycled back to a defender or Bazunu. We’ll see a small number of shots on goal and some fluffed chances.

This sounds just like our last home game

[warsash saint]

Mike Dean on VAR ... FFS!

[cloggy saint]

2 hours ago, Hodgey said:

 Isn’t A Armstrong a geordie ? He may actually look to prove a point.

Yes. The point being "Look, I can't score against you either".

[Saint Fan CaM]

1 hour ago, notnowcato said:

This sounds just like our last home game

Indeed.

[Chris cooper]

20 hours ago, Bad Wolf said:

This. One of the most unlikable managers in the league.

Have a day off starko!

[Pamplemousse]

12 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

There is a very strange agenda here against Howe from a collection of posters

The same Eddie Howe who Ralph relegated in 2020

I think if Ralph had been backed with a load of £30-40 million signings we'd be up there too.

Ralph's achievement of us still being in this league whilst on a shoestring budget is far more noteworthy.

[Sarisbury Saint]

21 hours ago, Bad Wolf said:

He's not the 'Mr Nice Guy' he's portrayed as. Not saying he's a bad manager btw, I just don't think he's as great as everyone makes him out to be either.

So you don’t think he’s doing a good job ?

 

[Turkish]

 

im surprised they haven’t tried to get the game called off again 

[skintsaint]

25 minutes ago, Turkish said:

 

im surprised they haven’t tried to get the game called off again 

Sad thing it won't affect them one bit...

[Saint Fan CaM]

18 hours ago, The Left Back said:

Not that long unless you have a very short life span.  I think Arsenal was only 9 days ago.  

Arsenal are not Newcastle and let’s face it, it’s a rarity nowadays to see a move as fluid and quick as the one that created our goal.

[Badger]

13 hours ago, warsash saint said:

Mike Dean on VAR ... FFS!

At least one red card for us then, penalty against , possibly both. 

[cloggy saint]

1 minute ago, Badger said:

At least one red card for us then, penalty against , possibly both. 

That's a shame. Has he got some kind of agenda against Southampton?

[richardc]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

4 more to go and we might stand a chance

[JRM]

1 hour ago, skintsaint said:

Sad thing it won't affect them one bit...

Not many of those would have started anyway , you could argue we're missing relatively more important players KWP , ABK and not sure if Lavia is ready to start yet 

[Chez]

On 01/11/2022 at 11:24, Turkish said:

I dont think there is much between Salisu and Caleta-Car, from what we've seen ABK is the best of the 3. Caleta-Car could end up being the new Fonte, a bit older and experienced and we partner him with a younger player who has a higher ceiling. It's a good problem to have, certainly a huge upgrade from relying on the likes of Bednarek, Stephens, Yoshida and Verstergaard for the last few years. 

Very much an upgrade, turning a weakness into a relative strength. The one hing I would say is Caleta-Car's lack of pace might be more exposed in a flat back four. Salisu is a bit quicker, but perhaps Caleta-Car is more composed and better positionally? Hard to say as we've not seen a lot of him, but he gets stuck in and has that `nastiness'/winning mentality that Fonte offered - which has been much needed.  

 

[Turkish]

42 minutes ago, Chez said:

Very much an upgrade, turning a weakness into a relative strength. The one hing I would say is Caleta-Car's lack of pace might be more exposed in a flat back four. Salisu is a bit quicker, but perhaps Caleta-Car is more composed and better positionally? Hard to say as we've not seen a lot of him, but he gets stuck in and has that `nastiness'/winning mentality that Fonte offered - which has been much needed.  

 

He does seem to have the things you say and being a bit more experienced always helps. Despite our infactuation with signing kids centre halves do peak the otherside of their mid twenties as it's a position that needs experience and leadership as well as the physical attributes. I'm sure someone will point out to a few exceptions but generally that's the case. Caleta-Car has been the darling of this forum for a while and long been a name high on transfer window wanted lists so good to finally get on of those.

[Bad Wolf]

Have we EVER played Newcastle on Saturday at 3:00? Even when it's not televised it seems to be a fixture that just takes place at random times which must be damn inconvenient for whichever fans are away.

EDIT: Actually, that time we conceded in the first minute and lost 3-0 was Saturday 3:00pm I think? But that's the only time.

Edited 2 November, 2022 by Bad Wolf

[Turkish]

8 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said:

Have we EVER played Newcastle on Saturday at 3:00? Even when it's not televised it seems to be a fixture that just takes place at random times which must be damn inconvenient for whichever fans are away.

EDIT: Actually, that time we conceded in the first minute and lost 3-0 was Saturday 3:00pm I think? But that's the only time.

Incorrect

Southampton 4-0 Newcastle United - BBC Sport

 

[Bad Wolf]

2 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Incorrect

Southampton 4-0 Newcastle United - BBC Sport

 

Oh yes, of course...I went as well! I was unemployed at the time so saved up some cash to go to a game and had to choose between that one or the Sunderland one a few weeks later. Chose Newcastle because I'd never seen them in the flesh. Given what happened against Sunderland, not a wise move on my part...Not that the Newcastle game was bad of course.

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, Bad Wolf said:

Oh yes, of course...I went as well! I was unemployed at the time so saved up some cash to go to a game and had to choose between that one or the Sunderland one a few weeks later. Chose Newcastle because I'd never seen them in the flesh. Given what happened against Sunderland, not a wise move on my part...Not that the Newcastle game was bad of course.

Also we beat them 1-0 in 1989 when Neil Ruddock scored a last minute penalty to end a winless run of about 20 games. That was also 3pm Saturday although I notice you didn’t confirm if it was 3am or 3pm, so your statement that we have never played them at 3.00 could be correct based on the 24 hr clock

Edited 2 November, 2022 by Turkish

[Charlie Wayman]

5 hours ago, Turkish said:

 

im surprised they haven’t tried to get the game called off again 

So we're playing 11 against 4, that will even things up a bit. Good chance of forcing a draw.

[Midfield_General]

2 hours ago, Turkish said:

Also we beat them 1-0 in 1989 when Neil Ruddock scored a last minute penalty to end a winless run of about 20 games. That was also 3pm Saturday although I notice you didn’t confirm if it was 3am or 3pm, so your statement that we have never played them at 3.00 could be correct based on the 24 hr clock

Waiting for that penalty to be taken was one of the most nerve-wracking and gut-wrenching experiences of my Saints-supporting life. I was surrounded by people who literally couldn't watch. 

I don't remember Ruddock taking that many penalties before that, but as soon as it was given he grabbed the ball and said he wanted to take it. He showed real bottle because the pressure was immense. Ran up and just hit it as hard as he could, laced it straight down the middle, bam. 

The Dell went absolutely ballistic, then there was barely any time left before the final whistle went and it went ballistic again. Just this mass outpouring of relief and emotion.

Like you say, we'd been 20 games without a win, we'd been shite and had been nailed on for relegation that year. Then from that result we kicked on and stayed up. I've never forgotten it. 

Edited 2 November, 2022 by Midfield_General

[Turkish]

11 minutes ago, Midfield_General said:

Waiting for that penalty to be taken was one of the most nerve-wracking and gut-wrenching experiences of my Saints-supporting life. I was surrounded by people who literally couldn't watch. 

I don't remember Ruddock taking that many penalties before that, but as soon as it was given he grabbed the ball and said he wanted to take it. He showed real bottle because the pressure was immense. Ran up and just hit it as hard as he could, laced it straight down the middle, bam. 

The Dell went absolutely ballistic, then there was barely any time left before the final whistle went and it went ballistic again. Just this mass outpouring of relief and emotion.

Like you say, we'd been 20 games without a win, we'd been shite and had been nailed on for relegation that year. Then from that result we kicked on and stayed up. I've never forgotten it. 

Really memorable game, I think Newcastle went down that season, had we not won it would certainly have been us. It was in the last minute and like you say when Ruddock stepped forward everyones head went to their hands. The only other thing I really remember about that game was a minute or so after the penalty Le Tissier had the ball near their corner flag and just smashed it as hard as he could over the wall at the Milton road end into the road outside, a huge roar and then seconds later it was over and we’d finally won. 

[Yorkshire Saint]

16 minutes ago, Midfield_General said:

Waiting for that penalty to be taken was one of the most nerve-wracking and gut-wrenching experiences of my Saints-supporting life. I was surrounded by people who literally couldn't watch. 

I don't remember Ruddock taking that many penalties before that, but as soon as it was given he grabbed the ball and said he wanted to take it. He showed real bottle because the pressure was immense. Ran up and just hit it as hard as he could, laced it straight down the middle, bam. 

The Dell went absolutely ballistic, then there was barely any time left before the final whistle went and it went ballistic again. Just this mass outpouring of relief and emotion.

Like you say, we'd been 20 games without a win, we'd been shite and had been nailed on for relegation that year. Then from that result we kicked on and stayed up. I've never forgotten it. 

Its one piece of footage i have never been able to find. An amazing moment.

[The Left Back]

1 hour ago, Yorkshire Saint said:

Its one piece of footage i have never been able to find. An amazing moment.

Not sure if I can paste very well

https://fb.watch/gyDvN2xRI4/

it was an extraordinary day, not least because it was a really soft penalty. It literally felt like the only way we could get a win.

as others have said the emotions were all over the shop and we celebrated like we’d won the cup

[Turkish]

12 minutes ago, The Left Back said:

Not sure if I can paste very well

https://fb.watch/gyDvN2xRI4/

it was an extraordinary day, not least because it was a really soft penalty. It literally felt like the only way we could get a win.

as others have said the emotions were all over the shop and we celebrated like we’d won the cup

Great find. The foul was right in front of me it really was poor from their keeper. That was the first season of Nicholls young saint, flowers, Ruddock, le Tissier, Wallace, shearer coming through, we really struggled but we’re brilliant the next season