Palace 1-0 Saints - Match Thread

[Mr X]

15 minutes ago, DT said:

The genius of Ralph:

Hasenhüttl: “When you don’t score a goal, it is not a fair result, because this is what was the difference today – they did it once & we definitely had the bigger chances but we didn’t [score]. That’s the reason why we lost this game today.” #saintsfc

His after match interviews are embarrassing he's either states the bleeding obvious or is in complete denial when we play badly.. he should take credit when he's changed a game but his complete lack of self awareness and failure to admit when he's partially or wholey at fault is staggering, but hey he's a nice guy with passion so thats what counts 

[jabei]

3 minutes ago, Nemi said:

The main problem is why does he always start with the wrong line-up. We’re literally having to change things in what seems like every game just to give us a chance. He gets the wrong starting line-up every time. No wonder we’re so in the shit when we only give ourselves 45 mins max every game.

 

I have no idea what he is thinking with some of his line-ups. Why do we persist with Lyanco who was an absolute liability v Arsenal (the defending for that blocked Jesus chance was some of the worst I’ve seen in top flight football), but somehow he gets away with it because he’s a ‘character’. And he costs us a goal today. And we legally shoehorn him in just to play 5atb again which rarely ever works for us against a team we really should be looking to try and give them a run for their money.

And why do we always persist with playing two in midfield every game, and constantly sacrifice control to the opposition. And especially why do we pair Diallo and JWP together in that two when we’ve seen consistently that it ends up in disaster every single time. I actually feel quite sorry for Diallo because almost everyone can see except somehow Ralph that he isn’t and out and out DM and he isn’t able to play in just a two. Rather than play to our players strengths, we play to their weaknesses every time. It’s no wonder so many talents go downhill so quickly at St Mary’s.

He makes the same mistakes in choosing his line-up every single week and somehow expects something to change. That’s why he needs to go and go soon because he is totally out of ideas and this is coming from one his most staunch defenders in recent times. 

 

That's not the question...the question is why do we persist with JWP.....full stop.

Diallo or Lavia and Maitland-Niles all the way. JWP only fit for the bench.

[Saint_John]

Can somebody suggest to the club that they get Rickie Lambert to come down for a whole week and work with Che, or at least one day a week for the next few weeks.

The 2 big chances today were like a number over the last few seasons.   He panic, when the chance is there and ends up "side footing a back pass" to the keeper. Rickie on the other hand waited until the keeper committed himself. Hopefully if he could work with Che for a period of time he could get in Che's head and not panic when a chance appears.  

[Lee On Solent Saint]

6 minutes ago, jabei said:

That's not the question...the question is why do we persist with JWP.....full stop.

Diallo or Lavia and Maitland-Niles all the way. JWP only fit for the bench.

Diallo should be nowhere near the starting eleven. 

[Nemi]

7 minutes ago, jabei said:

That's not the question...the question is why do we persist with JWP.....full stop.

Diallo or Lavia and Maitland-Niles all the way. JWP only fit for the bench.

I’ve been saying for years that JWP shouldn’t be a consistently starting PL player, I glad some people are now starting to realise that too.

[Pamplemousse]

18 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

What games were they?

Today. Everton. Man Utd. Villa both teams were shit. Wolves.

[Fan The Flames]

30 minutes ago, DT said:

The genius of Ralph:

Hasenhüttl: “When you don’t score a goal, it is not a fair result, because this is what was the difference today – they did it once & we definitely had the bigger chances but we didn’t [score]. That’s the reason why we lost this game today.” #saintsfc

It's pretty obvious what he is saying - the reason we didn't get anything out of the game, was not because of our performance but because we didn't take the chances we created. 

That sounds correct from what I heard and read of the game so far.

[Nemi]

1 minute ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Diallo should be nowhere near the starting eleven. 

Stick him in a three slightly more advanced and we’ve seen there’s a good player in there (as we did against Brentford last season). 
 

Stick him in a two and he’s a disaster. Yet we play him in a two every time and except a different result. He’s not a DM and never will be.

[woodsaint1]

11 minutes ago, jabei said:

That's not the question...the question is why do we persist with JWP.....full stop.

Diallo or Lavia and Maitland-Niles all the way. JWP only fit for the bench.

Diallo had an absolute stinker today, and struggles in most games. Not good enough with/without the ball for the PL. Nowhere near physical enough either

[kyle04]

4 minutes ago, Saint_John said:

Can somebody suggest to the club that they get Rickie Lambert to come down for a whole week and work with Che, or at least one day a week for the next few weeks.

The 2 big chances today were like a number over the last few seasons.   He panic, when the chance is there and ends up "side footing a back pass" to the keeper. Rickie on the other hand waited until the keeper committed himself. Hopefully if he could work with Che for a period of time he could get in Che's head and not panic when a chance appears.  

We could do worse than this, Che seems to do most things right except finish properly. Whether this can be coached into him remains to be seen but at the moment his misses are costing us valuable points.

How many matches this season have we only played a bit for one half?

 

[Lighthouse]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

Like a lot of attacking players that join us. They start okay then regress. 

 

1 hour ago, S-Clarke said:

He had a real spark about him against Leeds in the 2nd half, but he's just regressed ever since.

 

1 hour ago, Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd said:

Like so many other players that Ralph has coached.

I think it’s a bit much to be talking about a player ‘regressing’ under Ralph on the back of 20 decent minutes as a late sub against Leeds. This is a player who scored six goals in France last season. Clearly the scouts saw something about him to sign him but it’s quite a stretch to be blaming Ralph for Mara not being the answer.

[JRM]

How did today compare to our 1-0 defeats at Villa and Wolves? 

[Forester]

Losing to Wolves, Villa, Everton and Palace spells bad news.  Barring a huge surprise we will be in bottom three for World Cup break.  The only positive of the season is that we have definitely improved our defensive game.  But we increasingly look like we are two strikers short of staying up.  I would send Mara out on loan in January, as he currently looks well short of Premier League standard, reinvest his wages and bring two if not three attacking players in.  This will be very expensive, but less so than relegation

Edited 29 October, 2022 by Forester

[Appy]

9 minutes ago, JRM said:

How did today compare to our 1-0 defeats at Villa and Wolves? 

More chances today, but our manager gives them a head start yet again. 
 

Lyanco was a terrible signing and is a terrible footballer, rejected by Watford but for some reason our fans are now worshiping him even though he’s nearly cost us today and last week, because he got the crowd going once or twice.

[Pamplemousse]

9 minutes ago, Forester said:

Losing to Wolves, Villa, Everton and Palace spells bad news.  Barring a huge surprise we will be in bottom three for World Cup break.  The only positive of the season is that we have definitely improved our defensive game.  But we increasingly look like we are two strikers short of staying up.  I would send Mara out on loan in January, as he currently looks well short of Premier League standard, reinvest his wages and bring two if not three attacking players in.  This will be very expensive, but less so than relegation

I'm just worried we're gonna panic buy another Carrillo 

[InvictaSaint]

It’s just so tedious to watch us at present. I travelled today with zero expectations and only a modicum of hope. But boy are we served some shite these days. Diallo was horrendous, our attacking play first half non existent. Improved slightly with AMN coming on at ht - midfield couldn’t have been any worse- but you just know how it ends. And sure as eggs are eggs…..Che God bless him works very hard with little assistance….but those two chances - he’s just got to be putting those away. And JWP looks lost. Leggy and lost. Set piece specialist? Not currently. I can only hope - and assume? - that SR have a plan for January. Lord help us if they don’t. 

[Fan The Flames]

3 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said:

I'm just worried we're gonna panic buy another Carrillo 

Or Chris Wood

[Appy]

Just now, Fan The Flames said:

Or Chris Wood

He’s better than Adams 

[Fan The Flames]

5 minutes ago, InvictaSaint said:

It’s just so tedious to watch us at present. I travelled today with zero expectations and only a modicum of hope. But boy are we served some shite these days. Diallo was horrendous, our attacking play first half non existent. Improved slightly with AMN coming on at ht - midfield couldn’t have been any worse- but you just know how it ends. And sure as eggs are eggs…..Che God bless him works very hard with little assistance….but those two chances - he’s just got to be putting those away. And JWP looks lost. Leggy and lost. Set piece specialist? Not currently. I can only hope - and assume? - that SR have a plan for January. Lord help us if they don’t. 

This about sums it up for me. This lethargy could be fatal.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

8 minutes ago, Appy said:

More chances today, but our manager gives them a head start yet again. 
 

Lyanco was a terrible signing and is a terrible footballer, rejected by Watford but for some reason our fans are now worshiping him even though he’s nearly cost us today and last week, because he got the crowd going once or twice.

Glad I'm not the only one who isn't impressed with Lyanco

[Fan The Flames]

3 minutes ago, Appy said:

He’s better than Adams 

5 goals last seaon and 1 this, suggests he isn't.

[saintant]

53 minutes ago, Nemi said:

The main problem is why does he always start with the wrong line-up. We’re literally having to change things in what seems like every game just to give us a chance. He gets the wrong starting line-up every time. No wonder we’re so in the shit when we only give ourselves 45 mins max every game.

 

I have no idea what he is thinking with some of his line-ups. Why do we persist with Lyanco who was an absolute liability v Arsenal (the defending for that blocked Jesus chance was some of the worst I’ve seen in top flight football), but somehow he gets away with it because he’s a ‘character’. And he costs us a goal today. And we legally shoehorn him in just to play 5atb again which rarely ever works for us against a team we really should be looking to try and give them a run for their money.

And why do we always persist with playing two in midfield every game, and constantly sacrifice control to the opposition. And especially why do we pair Diallo and JWP together in that two when we’ve seen consistently that it ends up in disaster every single time. I actually feel quite sorry for Diallo because almost everyone can see except somehow Ralph that he isn’t and out and out DM and he isn’t able to play in just a two. Rather than play to our players strengths, we play to their weaknesses every time. It’s no wonder so many talents go downhill so quickly at St Mary’s.

He makes the same mistakes in choosing his line-up every single week and somehow expects something to change. That’s why he needs to go and go soon because he is totally out of ideas and this is coming from one his most staunch defenders in recent times. 

 

A lot of this rings true.

[Appy]

5 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said:

5 goals last seaon and 1 this, suggests he isn't.

He scores those chances Adams missed today, he probably doesn’t miss a header from a yard out either. 

[Chris cooper]

41 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said:

It's pretty obvious what he is saying - the reason we didn't get anything out of the game, was not because of our performance but because we didn't take the chances we created. 

That sounds correct from what I heard and read of the game so far.

Pretty obvious?? The man talks in Eastern European pigeon !! 

[saintant]

39 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said:

It's pretty obvious what he is saying - the reason we didn't get anything out of the game, was not because of our performance but because we didn't take the chances we created. 

That sounds correct from what I heard and read of the game so far.

But we were set up wrong for the entire first half and the manager did nothing about it. Strikers will miss chances and the ones Che misses are highlighted because we create very little. However, Ralph has to explain the limp first half showing considering that he picked the starting line-up and didn't think it worth making a change until half time. It's not good enough for him just to blame missed chances, he has to take some responsibility for his own failings.

[St Lej]

55 minutes ago, jabei said:

That's not the question...the question is why do we persist with JWP.....full stop.

Diallo or Lavia and Maitland-Niles all the way. JWP only fit for the bench.

I totally disagree. He’s out of form and players go out of form he’s not himself and I wonder what’s going on behind closed doors. You don’t just turn shit over night!
 

The thing is we can’t score as it is take James out of the side what options do we have on free kicks? His free kicks are like a penalty when we get them he is still deadly from dead balls. For me a better manager gets more from JWP 

[Harry_SFC]

5 minutes ago, saintant said:

But we were set up wrong for the entire first half and the manager did nothing about it. Strikers will miss chances and the ones Che misses are highlighted because we create very little. However, Ralph has to explain the limp first half showing considering that he picked the starting line-up and didn't think it worth making a change until half time. It's not good enough for him just to blame missed chances, he has to take some responsibility for his own failings.

Something which he has never, ever done. Always throws a player under the bus.

[SOTONSEASTSIDE]

1 hour ago, manji said:

Two days before the window closed our team looked good with the obvious absence of two strikers. We had a couple lined up, the incoming players were happy , the selling clubs were happy. 
Sports Republic said money no object, within reason. Semmens blew the deals by trying to get them for a couple of million quid cheaper. The selling clubs were fuming, insulted. 
The next sacking will be Semmens.

I used to be a decent ITK not anymore but this I heard from a person with very prominent connections.

Also someone I know, has heard Semmens bragging. How this is one big jolly for him!!

[St Lej]

18 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Glad I'm not the only one who isn't impressed with Lyanco

I’m in the same boat!

He seems a nice guy and all that! Just because he has a few tattoos and shows a bit of passion fist pumping the crowd etc doesn’t make him a good player.
 

He’s a liability at times and a total lose cannon. His touch today was embarrassing at times. 

[wooley7]

51 minutes ago, Nemi said:

I’ve been saying for years that JWP shouldn’t be a consistently starting PL player, I glad some people are now starting to realise that too.

You made a stupid statement years ago and think his current drop in form justifies the stupid statement?

[Fan The Flames]

11 minutes ago, saintant said:

But we were set up wrong for the entire first half and the manager did nothing about it. Strikers will miss chances and the ones Che misses are highlighted because we create very little. However, Ralph has to explain the limp first half showing considering that he picked the starting line-up and didn't think it worth making a change until half time. It's not good enough for him just to blame missed chances, he has to take some responsibility for his own failings.

I was only translating Ralphs comment and if these Che misses are that bad then what he is saying isn't wrong. Is there more to the story, yes, I agree that things aren't great and Ralph's performance isn't good enough.

[Fan The Flames]

22 minutes ago, Appy said:

He scores those chances Adams missed today, he probably doesn’t miss a header from a yard out either. 

Maybe, but he clearly worse in other aspects, otherwise his numbers would be better.

[verlaine1979]

59 minutes ago, kyle04 said:

We could do worse than this, Che seems to do most things right except finish properly. Whether this can be coached into him remains to be seen but at the moment his misses are costing us valuable points.

How many matches this season have we only played a bit for one half?

 

Adams is 26. He doesn't strike the ball well unless he's leathering it in a straight line. It's a deficiency in his technique, not a matter of confidence. No amount of coaching is going to turn him into a reliable finisher. It's the kind of thing that should've been abundantly clear in the scouting before we bought him.

[wooley7]

Adams has improved his all round game year on year but not his finishing. In Ralph’s usual system Adams is the ideal second striker.  In that role he will get that 7-10 goals a season, if he was playing with a decent partner who could finish, we would be in a much better position than we are currently.

Not getting that decent striker is really the issue.  Some are saying we had something agreed and fucked it up!

We aren’t playing great football but are definitely better defensively this season and have had some decent chances to win games we have gone on to lose or draw, like today.

We have a good amount of time to find a striker that can do the business and get 8-10 goals before the end of the season. Sounds easy but sure it will be difficult. Let’s hope that Sports Republic come up with something.

[FarehamSaintJames]

2 hours ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

We’re you the lone bloke in the Dell car park after the Port Vale cup-tie, waving a banner with “Branfoot must stay” on it?

No I wasn’t as I was under five years old during that era. 😁

[OttawaSaint]

Same shit Ralphball tactics vs Man U, Villa, Wolves and now Palace. All 1-0 defeats. I'd rather we came out and had a real go at them today really put them on their heels, perhaps even catch them napping.

I don't see the point in losing 1-0. Total waste.

Edited 29 October, 2022 by OttawaSaint

[wooley7]

46 minutes ago, Chris cooper said:

Pretty obvious?? The man talks in Eastern European pigeon !! 

Eastern European?

[DT]

It’s like Ralph thinks it’s a remarkable achievement to lose 1-0 in this league given our limits on spending etc etc. well done him. So bored of all the excuses for not actually picking the right team, motivating them, and coaching them properly. 

[LGTL]

Lyanco was a terrible signing, never understood the dins who want to worship him. But then we had the same with De Ridder so there we go. As long as you wave and clap, be as horrendous as you like. 

[Ralph Fastenbüttl]

1 hour ago, Saint_John said:

Can somebody suggest to the club that they get Rickie Lambert to come down for a whole week and work with Che, or at least one day a week for the next few weeks.

The 2 big chances today were like a number over the last few seasons.   He panic, when the chance is there and ends up "side footing a back pass" to the keeper. Rickie on the other hand waited until the keeper committed himself. Hopefully if he could work with Che for a period of time he could get in Che's head and not panic when a chance appears.  

This is an awesome idea, although the downside is that Che will also come away thinking that Bill Gates is microchipping the world through vaccines and that Ralph is a lizard being mind controlled by George Soros.

[Dragon_man]

Just got back. Call me a bed wetter if you like, but I really do think this is the year we go down. SR aren't going to chop Ralph. We aren't going to get a striker in January that saves our bacon. It'll either be a youngster or a has been. Neither will settle in quick enough to rescue the season. 

The ship sailed this past summer and the script was written then. I'm not sure there's much that can be done. Its no longer bad luck as Ralph would have you believe. It's a systematic pattern. Luck comes when we get the odd win.

For me it's caution to the wind time. Really does need a shake up, but SR will not do that.

I don't see any points from Newcastle and Liverpool. Bottom three in 2 week's time. Chickens, roost etc.

[Appy]

10 minutes ago, LGTL said:

Lyanco was a terrible signing, never understood the dins who want to worship him. But then we had the same with De Ridder so there we go. As long as you wave and clap, be as horrendous as you like. 

Exactly, the weirdos online going “hope Lyanco plays so he can take out Zaha LMFAO” 

 

Sums most of our fans up. 

[The Cat]

From a personal point of view I quite enjoyed the first half. 

 

[FarehamSaintJames]

2 minutes ago, The Cat said:

From a personal point of view I quite enjoyed the first half. 

 

Similar to my bets today. We are so predictable, I’ve made a decent wedge betting against Saints the past nine months or so 😁

Every cloud…

[The Cat]

6 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

Similar to my bets today. We are so predictable, I’ve made a decent wedge betting against Saints the past nine months or so 😁

Every cloud…

The Lyanco/Zaha bet was just so obvious. I also had them + Caleta-Car after last weekend's wrestling with Jesus but he calmed that down today.

[JRM]

1 hour ago, Appy said:

More chances today, but our manager gives them a head start yet again. 
 

Lyanco was a terrible signing and is a terrible footballer, rejected by Watford but for some reason our fans are now worshiping him even though he’s nearly cost us today and last week, because he got the crowd going once or twice.

I tend to agree on Lyanco, I remember when we signed him Torino fans were pleased to see the back of him , was he our replacement for Wesley Hooedt? 

I remember his debut up at Sheff Utd in the cup last year, Oli McBurnie bossed him which was also a worrying sign 

[JRM]

23 minutes ago, The Cat said:

From a personal point of view I quite enjoyed the first half. 

 

Good day at the office, if you worked in the city you'd be done for insider trading with that knowledge

[pimpin4rizeal]

3 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

I still don't get the signing of Mara.  Just a nothing player.  Do we really have no hopes in the U23s who could have filled his spot in the squad?

Ii don’t understand the stick he is taking ??

he has barely had a chance.. is he the one missing  sitters like che?

It’s not easy for attacking player like him to get five minutes here ten minutes there usually subbed on at a time the other team has the lead so the defense is even tighter.. not sure what you expect in so little time ..

The little flashes we saw from him.. like that superb through ball.. he finished that offside goal very well and there was great shot on the turn in one game.. in these little glimpses his shooting technique looked a mile better then che and AA..

Ralph doesn’t seem to trust him for some reason but I don’t trust Ralph .. think him and edozie are probably both better then the players starting 

 

Edited 29 October, 2022 by pimpin4rizeal

[Lighthouse]

1 hour ago, OttawaSaint said:

Same shit Ralphball tactics vs Man U, Villa, Wolves and now Palace. All 1-0 defeats. I'd rather we came out and had a real go at them today really put them on their heels, perhaps even catch them napping.

I don't see the point in losing 1-0. Total waste.

Like we did against Liverpool last year and ended up 4-0 down at half time? You speak as if a draw is somehow a default setting and that even a one goal defeat constitutes a lack of effort. This is the Premier League, you have to work your backsides off just to not get spanked. If nothing else we’re keeping it tight at the back and we’re in with a chance in every game.

[Pamplemousse]

1 hour ago, OttawaSaint said:

Same shit Ralphball tactics vs Man U, Villa, Wolves and now Palace. All 1-0 defeats. I'd rather we came out and had a real go at them today really put them on their heels, perhaps even catch them napping.

I don't see the point in losing 1-0. Total waste.

We did have a go at them in the second half. Missed at least three good chances.

We didn't deserve to lose today.