qwertySFC Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Who was there with Wotte then? T'was Killer and Gore facing the press with Wotte, the 3 stooges Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 A good press conference IMO. He didnt point the finger at anyone in particular -just pointed out that negativity and division amongst the directors, previous managers /players and fans has a detrimental effect on the team. Anyone who argues against that isnt being truthful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 A good press conference IMO. He didnt point the finger at anyone in particular -just pointed out that negativity and division amongst the directors, previous managers /players and fans has a detrimental effect on the team. Anyone who argues against that isnt being truthful. It's not the Head Coaches job to speculate on club politics. Why did he even mention it? I reckon he was briefed by Lowe or Wilde to say what he did. When a new manager is unveiled they never unveil themselves. The chairman is always there to offer support. The fact Wotte was abandoned to face the media without support from a board member is shambolic and gutless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Who was there with Wotte then? Michael Svensson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwertySFC Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 It's not the Head Coaches job to speculate on club politics. Why did he even mention it? I reckon he was briefed by Lowe or Wilde to say what he did. When a new manager is unveiled they never unveil themselves. The chairman is always there to offer support. The fact Wotte was abandoned to face the media without support from a board member is shambolic and gutless. Yes , it was a disgrace , can't remember the last manager who had a low profile when they got the job , however, did Wigley ever have a press confrence announcing his leadership.. No one knows if Wotte has signed a new contract , such a total mess , the most important job in the club and he is on his own already , makes you think he does not have the backing already of Wilde and Rupes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 It's not the Head Coaches job to speculate on club politics. Why did he even mention it? I reckon he was briefed by Lowe or Wilde to say what he did. When a new manager is unveiled they never unveil themselves. The chairman is always there to offer support. The fact Wotte was abandoned to face the media without support from a board member is shambolic and gutless. You can see it two ways. He was put up to saying it by Lowe, which I personally think is a conspiracy too far. The alternative view, which I share, is that he implicitly criticised them all for self indulgent behaviour, putting personal squabbles before the club - effectively saying shut the **** up or we will will get nowhere and achieve nothing. Quite brave IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 You can see it two ways. He was put up to saying it by Lowe, which I personally think is a conspiracy too far. The alternative view, which I share, is that he implicitly criticised them all for self indulgent behaviour, putting personal squabbles before the club - effectively saying shut the **** up or we will will get nowhere and achieve nothing. Quite brave IMO. Are seriously suggesting Wotte would have made a political statement without Lowes knowledge? The whole thing was scripted IMO and not by Wotte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 (edited) Are seriously suggesting Wotte would have made a political statement without Lowes knowledge? The whole thing was scripted IMO and not by Wotte. My. Hes a great actor then. The number of people press ganged into puppetting Lowe's script is growing by the day. New members today include, Benali , MLT and Wotte. Is there no end to the man's clutches? Edited 26 January, 2009 by buctootim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Yes , it was a disgrace , can't remember the last manager who had a low profile when they got the job , however, did Wigley ever have a press confrence announcing his leadership.. Wigley did have a press conference, but it was a farce. Afterwards, upstairs were briefing it was only a temporary appointment and the structure hadn't been fully resolved, downstairs Wigley was annoucing he was full time manager in total control. Just go back to the archives and have a read of Graham Hiley's reports on the events (clarification and retractions galore LOL). Also agree that there is a world of difference between issuing a rallying call and having a pop at various people. Certainly not a direction I would have advised him to go down, very strange and certain to get some people's backs up. Also had to giggle over his line that a Club needs to be stable for it to be successful!!! Well the bloke who put you here came in and took over the reins in the boardroom from someone else, sacked one manager, appointed another, introduced a brand new "Revolutionary Coaching Set Up" on the footballing side, pushed that bloke out the door, which is why you've got the job and now apparently you're up for making changes to the style of play. I'd hardly call that stable;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exit2 Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 "advising Jan and the chairman" this is what I dont get at all. Now he is saying we will play more exprienced players, 442 etc etc. Did he not at one point in the season say "Jan, with all due respect dont you think we should do x yz and see if it works?" Also didnt Rupert pull Wotte to one side and say "listen Mark, how do we change this" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 "advising Jan and the chairman" this is what I dont get at all. Now he is saying we will play more exprienced players, 442 etc etc. Did he not at one point in the season say "Jan, with all due respect dont you think we should do x yz and see if it works?" Also didnt Rupert pull Wotte to one side and say "listen Mark, how do we change this" Maybe he did. Maybe JP didnt listen. Who knows? Its obvious that Wotte has the confidence of Lowe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 "advising Jan and the chairman" this is what I dont get at all. Now he is saying we will play more exprienced players, 442 etc etc. Did he not at one point in the season say "Jan, with all due respect dont you think we should do x yz and see if it works?" Also didnt Rupert pull Wotte to one side and say "listen Mark, how do we change this" Cant argue with that but I must have missed where 442 was mentioned? I know a comment has been made to suggest a slightly different formation may be used but that doesnt suggest to me that it will be 442. I took it as a different variation to what we have now. Maybe more of a 433 rather than the 433/42211? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 I've never seen a manager unveil himself before. What message does that send to Wotte, when your employer cannot even be arsed to attend your unveiling to the press? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 I've never seen a manager unveil himself before. What message does that send to Wotte, when your employer cannot even be arsed to attend your unveiling to the press? jesus christ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 jesus christ lol. Petrol prices might go up this year!!! Lowe Out Dammit!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 My. Hes a great actor then. The number of people press ganged into puppetting Lowe's script is growing by the day. New members today include, Benali , MLT and Wotte. Is there no end to the man's clutches? You make light of things but it's very strange that Wotte called for unity from Ex directors and Chairman. He's the football manager and football managers don't get involved in boardroom squabbles (at least in public). There's no way he'd have gone down this road if he hadn't been sounded out to say it first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 I disagree Stanley. I think he just spoke his mind, something he should be applauded for. Time will tell whether or not his appointment makes bugger all difference but he should be at least granted that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 I've never seen a manager unveil himself before. What message does that send to Wotte, when your employer cannot even be arsed to attend your unveiling to the press? Lowe was on holiday - shocking behaviour for CEO at this time but let's put that to one side for now. What was stopping Wilde from attending? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 You make light of things but it's very strange that Wotte called for unity from Ex directors and Chairman. He's the football manager and football managers don't get involved in boardroom squabbles (at least in public). There's no way he'd have gone down this road if he hadn't been sounded out to say it first. Not everyone is a yes man. Its obvious that many people who care about the club will know that division is harming it - thats self evident. Calling for unity isnt the same as endorsing Lowe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 on holiday..hmm I doubt being in scotland (or where ever it was) stopped him doing anything that needed doing in this crazy world of media living, internet and TELEPHONES... wooooaaah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 I disagree Stanley. I think he just spoke his mind, something he should be applauded for. Time will tell whether or not his appointment makes bugger all difference but he should be at least granted that time. That's your perogative, but i doubt Leon Crouch and co see it like you do. I think it was scripted spin to try to pressure Crouch, McMeneny, Corbett to keep quiet for the sake of the team (for the sake of Lowe and Wilde). If Crouch etc speak out Lowe can then claim the moral highground. Far from calming the situation Wottes words will only serve to inflame things IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Not everyone is a yes man. Its obvious that many people who care about the club will know that division is harming it - thats self evident. Calling for unity isnt the same as endorsing Lowe. Interviewed with Perry on Sky Sports. He said that if formations aren't producing results it's stupid to stick with them, obviously look at other systems. Sounds like he was distancing himself from the system rigidity we have been suffering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrollman no2 Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Its ok for calls of unity,but it will be interesting to see what kind of reception Wotte will get on Saturday,especially if we lose to Norwich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Would Wotte have talked about ex director feuding if Lowe had been sat next to him? Obviously not because the press would then have diverted the questioning to Lowe and how could Lowe have called for unity. I think the whole press conference and the non attendance of Lowe and Wilde was staged so that Wotte could get this spin in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwertySFC Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 I disagree Stanley. I think he just spoke his mind, something he should be applauded for. Time will tell whether or not his appointment makes bugger all difference but he should be at least granted that time. Good point Ponty , it is some thing he has done many times , when he was in Egypt he spoke out a lot to disgruntled fans and the press for making comments about team tactics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 And I think he just took advantage of them not being there to say a few things. Again, time will tell. If nothing changes with regards to team selection/formation then I'll accept you are right and he's just another puppet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 That's your perogative, but i doubt Leon Crouch and co see it like you do. I think it was scripted spin to try to pressure Crouch, McMeneny, Corbett to keep quiet for the sake of the team (for the sake of Lowe and Wilde). If Crouch etc speak out Lowe can then claim the moral highground. Far from calming the situation Wottes words will only serve to inflame things IMO. I think you read far too much into things that go anywhere near showing anything other than your opinion. Why cant someones comments be what they think? I think Wotte said what he thinks and I doubt Lowe will like it too much, but Lowe needs to listen to what he said just as much as Crouch, Corbet and Wilde IMO. The infighting right through our club often takes a front seat to all the football that sometimes goes on. It would be nice if for a change everyone at the club actually concentrated on the game of football and not on pictures in the board room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Would Wotte have talked about ex director feuding if Lowe had been sat next to him? Obviously not because the press would then have diverted the questioning to Lowe and how could Lowe have called for unity. I think the whole press conference and the non attendance of Lowe and Wilde was staged so that Wotte could get this spin in. On that bases surly you should be happy to have Wotte in charge now as he seems more of a Croach boy than a Rupes boy? Taking advantage of Rupes not being around to be able to have a dig at him will surly please Crouch and his cohorts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Why cant someones comments be what they think? The comments may well be what he thinks, but that doesn't explain him airing those comments. Football managers don't get involved in politics on the record. That is why i find his political opinionating highy suspicious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 The comments may well be what he thinks, but that doesn't explain him airing those comments. Football managers don't get involved in politics on the record. That is why i find his political opinionating highy suspicious. If the off field antics wernt such a problem at our club I would agree with you. But they are as big a problem as us not being able to win at home. They all need resolving in 1 way or another and right now the important thing to Wotte is for us to pull away from the relegation zone. IMO his comments are purly stating that the off field antics need to take a back seat and the whole club and fan base need to concentrate on getting us safe. I think all parties could do better by keeping this in mind. There is obviously no easy solution to get Lowe and co out of the door and the crouch option doesnt seem all that much better so all parties drawing a sease fire and concentrating on what matters might actually do the club some good. dont you agree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 If the off field antics wernt such a problem at our club I would agree with you. But they are as big a problem as us not being able to win at home. They all need resolving in 1 way or another and right now the important thing to Wotte is for us to pull away from the relegation zone. IMO his comments are purly stating that the off field antics need to take a back seat and the whole club and fan base need to concentrate on getting us safe. I think all parties could do better by keeping this in mind. There is obviously no easy solution to get Lowe and co out of the door and the crouch option doesnt seem all that much better so all parties drawing a sease fire and concentrating on what matters might actually do the club some good. dont you agree? Unsuprisingly i don't agree. Lowe is on the ropes and we need to keep that pressure up. We need Leon Crouch back with a decent manager chosen by Lawrie to save our skin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Unsuprisingly i don't agree. Lowe is on the ropes and we need to keep that pressure up. We need Leon Crouch back with a decent manager chosen by Lawrie to save our skin. lets hope they dont go with a dodd and gorman type Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 lets hope they dont go with a dodd and gorman type Quite, another Nigel Pearson is what we need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Quite, another Nigel Pearson is what we need. ...i would like to think we could do better than pearson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Unsuprisingly i don't agree. Lowe is on the ropes and we need to keep that pressure up. We need Leon Crouch back with a decent manager chosen by Lawrie to save our skin. ah I thought we found some common ground for a min. I agree that we need Lowe gone but cant see how Crouch and Lawrie will do anything other than bury us in administration and falling away while Rupes gets back on his white horse and comes back to haunt us yet again. I will settle for Lowe and Wilde sticking around long enough for us to interest a real money man that is up for buying the whole club if the only other option is crouch to take over with Lawrie as his side kick again. I appreciate that Crouch is more of a fan than Lowe will ever be and I know his heart is in the right place but he has done nothing to make me think he is the answer to all our problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 I appreciate that Crouch is more of a fan than Lowe will ever be and I know his heart is in the right place but he has done nothing to make me think he is the answer to all our problems. Ah this old chestnut again, Crouch made a mistake with Dodd and gorman, but aside from that what did he do wrong during his 5 month stint? Lowe put us in the CCC with his sacking of sturrock and replacement with wigley. Wilde blew the money with his Fulham boy execs. What did Crouch do wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 26 January, 2009 Share Posted 26 January, 2009 Ah this old chestnut again, Crouch made a mistake with Dodd and gorman, but aside from that what did he do wrong during his 5 month stint? Lowe put us in the CCC with his sacking of sturrock and replacement with wigley. Wilde blew the money with his Fulham boy execs. What did Crouch do wrong? I didnt say he did something wrong although I am sure there will be people on here that will pipe up with what they think, I said he has done nothing to convince me he is the way forward or the answer to all our problems. Spending was as much as an issue with Crouch as it was with Wilde and Lowe also was in charge when some good things happened at our club. We can go on and on about this argument but I stand by what I said and would rather someone with real money came in and cleared the lot out than go for further pointless change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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