Joe Shields leaving? What the hell is happening???

[Badger]

Not too bothered about Shields leaving.

His record is with youth recruitment, there’s no guarantee that his success in that area will continue into first team recruitment. And even at youth level then it’s probably a lot easier to attract players to City or Chelsea than us.
 

Can’t blame him for wanting a return to London as that’s where he’s spent the majority of his career . And might as well grasp the opportunity now whilst his stock is high. He knows a couple of years here might significantly dent his reputation.

Shame re the timing as it does give a ‘rats and sinking ship’ feeling.

But Rasmus put together a good scouting network at Brentford so am hopeful he can the same here. Assuming he doesn’t want to place them at the Turkish club first,

[The Kraken]

Agree with Badger. I’m not convinced on all our summer signings and the wisdom of investing so much in youth. The non Man City players (Lavia aside) seem to be our best signings; don’t know if Shields was involved with them or not, but they’re not exactly hidden gems.

I agree the timing is terrible though, especially with the club bigging up the whole investment in youth mantra.

Edited 14 October, 2022 by The Kraken

[david in sweden]

20 minutes ago, Badger said:

Not too bothered about Shields leaving.

His record is with youth recruitment, there’s no guarantee that his success in that area will continue into first team recruitment. And even at youth level then it’s probably a lot easier to attract players to City or Chelsea than us.
 

Can’t blame him for wanting a return to London as that’s where he’s spent the majority of his career . And might as well grasp the opportunity now whilst his stock is high. He knows a couple of years here might significantly dent his reputation.

Shame re the timing as it does give a ‘rats and sinking ship’ feeling.

But Rasmus put together a good scouting network at Brentford so am hopeful he can the same here. Assuming he doesn’t want to place them at the Turkish club first,

Like life with their former owner..... Chelsea still have the wherewithal to buy anyone they want, and honestly we don't need people drawing salary

if they don't support the cause 100%.    RH was right in that he wasn't around long enough to have any real impact.....so onto his replacement .

 

Martin ! ..... who was the guy in second place .....after the original interviews?

[verlaine1979]

It's not as if Shields came here and decided to invest solely in youth on his own. That's the stated strategy of our owners: buy unproven but highly rated talent, give them a platform for a few years and then sell high and start over.

Blaming Semmens et al is pointless. The people who spent almost two hundred million on us have a plan for how to sustain and return their investment, and that's player trading. No employee of the club has the power to overrule a policy set by the owners, no matter how much they think it goes against conventional football wisdom.

We recruited Shields because, arguably, no one has been better at spotting youth talent in Europe recently than Manchester City. Whatever anyone says now, it's a huge blow that a key figure in achieving the club's financial and footballing strategy has decided to leave after only three months.

[SotonianWill]

25 minutes ago, verlaine1979 said:

It's not as if Shields came here and decided to invest solely in youth on his own. That's the stated strategy of our owners: buy unproven but highly rated talent, give them a platform for a few years and then sell high and start over.

Blaming Semmens et al is pointless. The people who spent almost two hundred million on us have a plan for how to sustain and return their investment, and that's player trading. No employee of the club has the power to overrule a policy set by the owners, no matter how much they think it goes against conventional football wisdom.

We recruited Shields because, arguably, no one has been better at spotting youth talent in Europe recently than Manchester City. Whatever anyone says now, it's a huge blow that a key figure in achieving the club's financial and footballing strategy has decided to leave after only three months.

I'm suprised none of our signings seem to resemble / we haven't adopted the Brentford Moneyball system, wonder whether we could go in this direction for the next Head of Recruitment. 

[Archers Road Stand]

Wasn't Shields one of the reasons why we bidded £20m on Liam Delap?

 

He's been pretty shit for Stoke...

[pimpin4rizeal]

It’s funny the way the comments have gone from joe shields being the best bit of business we done to now everyone acting like we are better off without him 😂

come on guys 

[niceandfriendly]

22 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

It’s funny the way the comments have gone from joe shields being the best bit of business we done to now everyone acting like we are better off without him 😂

come on guys 

I'd say it's somewhere in the middle. We're probably right to be pissed off that he's screwed us over, but it's far from the end of the world.

[Kermitzasaint]

On 13/10/2022 at 01:43, Bad Wolf said:

Looking forward to the angry comments about him not honouring his contract and having no loyalty while demanding Ralph resigns and dishonours his contract...

Well it could be argued that destroying a club through ineptitude would be the opposite of loyal. Your obsession with Ralph is amusing though.

 

 

[Dark Munster]

5 hours ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

It’s funny the way the comments have gone from joe shields being the best bit of business we done to now everyone acting like we are better off without him 😂

come on guys 

Good point. I think we should appreciate that he’s given Saints the best three months of his life. 

[saint1977]

We need someone different anyway, a HoR that knows the Championship and can put some solid senior reliable pros at that level who have promotion experience. That deal which sold Romeu and brought in a winger Ralph refuses to select and a midget LB we didn’t need was particularly terrible plus the striker debacle. 

[pimpin4rizeal]

1 hour ago, Dark Munster said:

Good point. I think we should appreciate that he’s given Saints the best three months of his life. 

It just looks totally salty on our part to now act like we are better off without him is my point..

not one person was disappointed with shields appointment.. it sucks that he’s gone already but it is what it is 

[Dark Munster]

1 minute ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

It just looks totally salty on our part to now act like we are better off without him is my point..

not one person was disappointed with shields appointment.. it sucks that he’s gone already but it is what it is 

I don't disagree. My point was that he's an arsehole for leaving after only a few months. After a year or two, fair enough if a big club comes calling.

[Bad Wolf]

7 hours ago, Kermitzasaint said:

Well it could be argued that destroying a club through ineptitude would be the opposite of loyal. Your obsession with Ralph is amusing though.

 

 

Not obsession. I'm happy for us to sack him...I simply find any suggestions that he should "do the right thing and resign" utterly ridiculous.

[Toussaint]

I was listening to TSP this morning and it was suggested that Joe Shields was the person responsible for leaking all the inside info, if that was the case, why wasn't he sacked? Unless it came to light after his decision to leave? 

[richardc]

Former Liverpool transfer chief Michael Edwards, who has been linked with Chelsea, wants time to consider his options. (Sun)

is this a spanner in the works?

 

[daldridge7]

6 hours ago, richardc said:

Former Liverpool transfer chief Michael Edwards, who has been linked with Chelsea, wants time to consider his options. (Sun)

is this a spanner in the works?

 

Different role

[SuperSAINT]

Chelsea forming the avengers of youth recruitment:

 

Edited 25 October, 2022 by SuperSAINT

[SuperSAINT]

 

 

[goodymatt]

I wonder how replacing him is going?

My bitter side hopes that Chelsea eat him up, as is their way. 

[stevy777_x]

It is very important we get a replacement in quickly so we can start planning for January window.

[Saint Garrett]

1 minute ago, stevy777_x said:

It is very important we get a replacement in quickly so we can start planning for January window.

I doubt it's too much of an issue, they'll have players lined up already. Obviously it's far from ideal, and he needs replacing, but I'm not sure they need to make a rushed appointment.

[skintsaint]

Hope we got a nice little compo pay out.

[SuperSAINT]

All I really care about is who we get in to replace him as that’s ultimately all that matters.

[FarehamSaintJames]

Our transfer policy isn’t directed/dictated by one bloke who’d been in his position for a few months. 

[SNSUN]

Be lolz if we brought in a guy you thought signing 30+yo players was the way forward. Be like the summer we signed Palmer, Hirst, Richardson, Beresford and Jones.

 

Seriously, we raided City, we got a some gems for the future, now we move on and find some others. A new man with fresh ideas may know of some gems our scouting team didn't already know about...

[Fabrice Fernandes no.1 fan]

58 minutes ago, SNSUN said:

Be lolz if we brought in a guy you thought signing 30+yo players was the way forward. Be like the summer we signed Palmer, Hirst, Richardson, Beresford and Jones.

 

Seriously, we raided City, we got a some gems for the future, now we move on and find some others. A new man with fresh ideas may know of some gems our scouting team didn't already know about...

January rolls around and we sign Jay-Rod and Lallana to try and get the gang back together and Ashley Young to play left wing...

[Master Bates]

5 minutes ago, Fabrice Fernandes no.1 fan said:

January rolls around and we sign Jay-Rod and Lallana to try and get the gang back together and Ashley Young to play left wing...

It's alright, we won't resign you Fabrice 😉

[S-Clarke]

7 hours ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

Our transfer policy isn’t directed/dictated by one bloke who’d been in his position for a few months. 

You say that, but our transfer policy this summer pretty much revolved around the best Man City youth players, whom he was all over prior to joining us.

Edited 27 October, 2022 by S-Clarke

[Greenridge]

11 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

You say that, but our transfer policy this summer pretty much revolved around the best Man City youth players, whom he was all over prior to joining us.

Aribo. Caleta-Car. Bella-Kotchap.

[skintsaint]

So currently we are after a Head of Academy Operations and a Head of Senior Recruitment.

Any decent names linked yet?

[SuperSAINT]

30 minutes ago, Greenridge said:

Aribo. Caleta-Car. Bella-Kotchap.

Shields was instrumental in Aribo.

[SuperSAINT]

This is a very arguable point, but I’m not sure that it’s necessarily about knowing the players now - Most teams know them - it’s now about getting them in that’s the skill.

[sfc4prem]

38 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said:

Shields was instrumental in Aribo.

Glad he left, then.

[Christophenburg]

1 hour ago, sfc4prem said:

Glad he left, then.

Ha ha ha, what?

[Chez]

3 hours ago, SuperSAINT said:

Shields was instrumental in Aribo.

Saints tried to sign Aribo in the summer of  2018. Both manager and scout Thomas Rekus were with us back then. Seems likely that he never left our radar and we finally got our man this summer. As head of recruitment Shields will have been involved in all deals in some way or other, we have had a transfer committee after all (or did that go out the window this summer?), but in terms of us wanting the player and driving the chase for him, I'd of guessed that Rekus and Ralph will have pushed for that more than Shields?

[Chez]

3 hours ago, SuperSAINT said:

This is a very arguable point, but I’m not sure that it’s necessarily about knowing the players now - Most teams know them - it’s now about getting them in that’s the skill.

Scouting is still about `knowing' players. Specifically knowing how good they are. Evaluating them is essential, especially when they are young, from lower leagues and other leagues, and a real skill too. It's not hard to spot young talent, they stand out, but will they stand out when they move into senior football or step up a division?

We knew about AA as did every other team in the Premiership. They will all have evaluated him and decided if he was for them or not. Seems like we were pretty much the only ones that thought he was the man for the job.

Is getting players to come the real skill? Money usually talks.

[Mr X]

Personally although it's a loss glad he's gone! Best not to have that type of mentality at the club there's enough of it in the players

[Saint86]

Our head scout for the south of England may also be on his way shortly.

https://trainingground.guru/articles/forest-green-turn-to-southamptons-stanton-for-director-of-football
 

[skintsaint]

16 hours ago, Saint86 said:

Our head scout for the south of England may also be on his way shortly.

https://trainingground.guru/articles/forest-green-turn-to-southamptons-stanton-for-director-of-football
 

Can't blame him, big promotion from head scout for the southern region to DOF.

[stevy777_x]

Why are we no longer talking about replacing Shields?

Edited 11 November, 2022 by stevy777_x

[Ted Bates Statue]

Maybe because we've been busy talking about Hasenhuttl's replacement

[Spark]

Dont rate what he brought in anyway. 

Edited 11 November, 2022 by Spark
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[Chez]

13 hours ago, Spark said:

Dont rate what he brought in anyway. 

All of them?

Not sure all the transfers were down to him. He certainly was responsible for Lavia, Edozie and Larios. He also brought in Jaydon Meghoma and Sam Amo-Ameyaw.

Bazunu was signed a while before Shields joined. As did Aribo. Those and Mateusz Liz, Carleta Car and Maintland-Niles were all on our radar long before Shields entered the fray. 

Not sure about Mara and Bela-Kachup, who signed three weeks after Shields arrived. Feels like that deal may have been in the works prior to Shields joining, although who is to say he didn't set wheels in motion before he officially joined us.

 

 

 

[Disco Stu]

23 hours ago, Chez said:

All of them?

Not sure all the transfers were down to him. He certainly was responsible for Lavia, Edozie and Larios. He also brought in Jaydon Meghoma and Sam Amo-Ameyaw.

Bazunu was signed a while before Shields joined. As did Aribo. Those and Mateusz Liz, Carleta Car and Maintland-Niles were all on our radar long before Shields entered the fray. 

Not sure about Mara and Bela-Kachup, who signed three weeks after Shields arrived. Feels like that deal may have been in the works prior to Shields joining, although who is to say he didn't set wheels in motion before he officially joined us.

 

 

 

If Ralph is to be believed, no he wasn't.

Quote

'It is not a big loss for this club, I think, because his impact in six weeks was not the biggest so we are not in the situation where we fall into depression.

'He came in August and nearly all transfers had been done in this moment - he was not the person who brought in Romeo (Lavia) for example.'

 

[Pengi]

Have we replaced him yet?

[stevy777_x]

On 08/12/2022 at 12:19, Pengi said:

Have we replaced him yet?

Nope. What a shambles

[Spark]

On 12/11/2022 at 11:53, Chez said:

All of them?

Not sure all the transfers were down to him. He certainly was responsible for Lavia, Edozie and Larios. He also brought in Jaydon Meghoma and Sam Amo-Ameyaw.

Bazunu was signed a while before Shields joined. As did Aribo. Those and Mateusz Liz, Carleta Car and Maintland-Niles were all on our radar long before Shields entered the fray. 

Not sure about Mara and Bela-Kachup, who signed three weeks after Shields arrived. Feels like that deal may have been in the works prior to Shields joining, although who is to say he didn't set wheels in motion before he officially joined us.

 

Yep all of them, i dont rate any of our lot tbh. I'd be happier to clear out almost every single one and start from scratch. Looks like we'll be doing that soon anyway in the championship. 
Our transfers have been shite for years. Fed up of buying for potential. Before, we didnt just buy on potential we bought on what they could do in the league straight away as well. Now its purely potential and its fucked us. Same with the manager now. Always trying to be too clever.  

Plus, we got semmens, some upper middle class guy who is as bad as lowe, he aint a football guy at all, no way. Doubt he followed any sports growing up and if he did it rugby or cicket or polo or something.  Until we get rid of him club will continue to fall. 

Edited 4 January, 2023 by Spark
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