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FarehamSaintJames

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Adam Blackmore doesn’t deserve half the abuse he gets.

Some things I don’t agree with, but I wouldn’t say he has said much wrong. A point against West Ham (in itself) is a good point.

We are not a fucking Champions League team.

We are a poor bottom half Premier League team. Equally Ralph doesn’t deserve half the abuse he gets, but eventually you have to say enough is enough - and that time is now.

He’s not defending him too much, he’s simply saying how much time can you give him given the money spent, change in staff, injuries to key players etc.
We all know that time is now, but as a journalist he has to ask these things. He isn’t wrong.

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4 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

Adam Blackmore doesn’t deserve half the abuse he gets.

Some things I don’t agree with, but I wouldn’t say he has said much wrong. A point against West Ham (in itself) is a good point.

We are not a fucking Champions League team.

We are a poor bottom half Premier League team. Equally Ralph doesn’t deserve half the abuse he gets, but eventually you have to say enough is enough - and that time is now.

He’s not defending him too much, he’s simply saying how much time can you give him given the money spent, change in staff, injuries to key players etc.
We all know that time is now, but as a journalist he has to ask these things. He isn’t wrong.

Everything you've just Said is completely wrong.

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20 minutes ago, woodsaint1 said:

10 goals and 5 assists last season says otherwise. Some pens and fks in there but if we didnt have his contribution last season we would have been relegated

No doubt we would have been.....but he's still bang average. In a shit team he stands out.

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I must say I'm very much in two minds about relegation. It almost feels like we need a reset and a chance to actually win some games would be nice - plus there would be more fixtures so even more chances!

Conversely, it would be a financial shit-show and it may well be very hard to get back up.

Either way it is seeming more and more likely with every game, as we come to the horrible realisation that we are, indeed, dog-shit. This isn't a blip, or a bad run - it's our (not really that 'new') normal.

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Well that was fun ...

Certainly better in the first half but the danger signs were there. You simply cannot give a player like Rice that much room. He ran the midfield and they made sure that JWP had no time or space.

2nd half was poor, 4 subs is ridiculous. Aribo is a good player but he was played in a weird position, and just couldn't get into the game.

One point would be OK normally, but in our present predicament it  needed to be 3.

Desperate stuff

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8 minutes ago, sfc4prem said:

I must say I'm very much in two minds about relegation. It almost feels like we need a reset and a chance to actually win some games would be nice - plus there would be more fixtures so even more chances!

Conversely, it would be a financial shit-show and it may well be very hard to get back up.

Either way it is seeming more and more likely with every game, as we come to the horrible realisation that we are, indeed, dog-shit. This isn't a blip, or a bad run - it's our (not really that 'new') normal.

Finding it hard to have much positivity with this club at the moment.. Ralph out of ideas same two men midfield the same el-useless every week- why not try someone like. EdoZie at least he looks lively..

the club fucked up massively by not signing a striker and maybe another key attacking player tbh.. you would think the way to go about recruiting would be to look which positions we are weakest in and fill those positions with better quality ?? But oh no not us..

the people who was trying to make out that che adams was a 25-30 m striker waking up yet? He is just a big lump with no finesse to his game we would probably be no worse off with Troy deeney tbh..our whole attack looks like championship standard 

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52 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

That would be the starting XI which played well first half and was 1-0 up at halftime? Would you rather he did nothing when West Ham have taken the initiative?

They had taken the initiative about 10 minutes before they took the lead, Aribo and AA should have gone then, they stopped offering any outlet,  hence we were stuck in our own half.

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4 minutes ago, Toussaint said:

They had taken the initiative about 10 minutes before they took the lead, Aribo and AA should have gone then, they stopped offering any outlet,  hence we were stuck in our own half.

Disagree about Adam Armstrong.  Thought he was our best player.

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1 minute ago, Wade Garrett said:

Disagree about Adam Armstrong.  Thought he was our best player.

Yep, though I’m not sure how much of a compliment that is. He buzzed around well especially first half, very nice pass to play Elmo in for a shot on goal, worked hard defensively too. The sad thing is that I can say he showed he was one of our best players and also that he’s not quite good enough at PL level.

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42 minutes ago, LGTL said:

He has to go FFS, it’s horrendous. 
 

His little lapdog Adam Blackmore is showing himself to be a massive tool once again. 

Agree Blackbore is tedious isn't he, I've stopped listening to his propaganda on radio solent but he still pops up on twitter letting us know how pleased we should be after another poor performance 

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Just to rub it in during the second half the tannoy announcer going on about no drivers to drive the rail replacement buses, no trains out of Southampton Central so you're on your own good luck getting home, what a mess this country is in. Happens so often on engineering work home games. 

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4 minutes ago, JRM said:

Just to rub it in during the second half the tannoy announcer going on about no drivers to drive the rail replacement buses, no trains out of Southampton Central so you're on your own good luck getting home, what a mess this country is in. Happens so often on engineering work home games. 

I heard that in the TV just as half time hit, how was everyone supposed to get to Eastleigh? Or no solutions offered?

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31 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

Disagree about Adam Armstrong.  Thought he was our best player.

Perraud was MotM for me. Was aggressive and worked his socks off, very lucky to escape a card for manhandling a WH player but showed a lot of fire and tried to make things happen 

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25 minutes ago, JRM said:

Agree Blackbore is tedious isn't he, I've stopped listening to his propaganda on radio solent but he still pops up on twitter letting us know how pleased we should be after another poor performance 

I had the misfortune to listen in the car on the way home from the game. He’s full of shite, so far up Ralph’s arse it’s untrue. Ask some awkward questions man, he’s just giving Ralph an easy ride. Tessems as bad, did you hear him say “saints won’t win the league” whilst talking about supporters expectations. No shit Sherlock. 
 

 

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9 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

I heard that in the TV just as half time hit, how was everyone supposed to get to Eastleigh? Or no solutions offered?

Don't they have to provide alternative transport in those circumstances? Surely they can't just leave people stranded. 

 

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8 minutes ago, Vancouver Saint said:

Managed to get the livestream working two minutes before Rice equalised. Then saw nothing but a WHU onslaught. Please tell me played okay before this - we looked absolutely terrible from the time I started watching.

We were alright in the first half and created a reasonable number of chances. Second half sat back and did nothing.

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1 hour ago, Wade Garrett said:

90 minutes of my life I’m not going to get back.

West Ham fans must be fuming that they didn’t win.

What is worse was the expectant resignation of everyone around me when they scored.  We are just numb to the shit now.

It was inevitable that West Ham would equalise and also inevitable that from that point Ralph would be totally incapable of rallying his team to make a concerted effort to regain the initiative and the lead. He is a beaten man so do the honourable thing and take the reigns away from him because it is not going to get any better. He's out of ideas.

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59 minutes ago, macca155 said:

Well that was fun ...

Certainly better in the first half but the danger signs were there. You simply cannot give a player like Rice that much room. He ran the midfield and they made sure that JWP had no time or space.

2nd half was poor, 4 subs is ridiculous. Aribo is a good player but he was played in a weird position, and just couldn't get into the game.

One point would be OK normally, but in our present predicament it  needed to be 3.

Desperate stuff

I didn't see the game but if we were stupid enough to give Declan Rice the freedom of the park it is a miracle we managed to scramble a point. What goes on at the training ground in preparation for matches? Does nobody gather a dossier on our opponents strengths and weaknesses? You wouldn't even need a dossier to know what Rice can do - it's there for anyone to see watching him in televised games. I despair at how amateur this club has become.

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24 minutes ago, Saint-Michael said:

Is that the ones with a different view of things to your own?

Haha. Very good! ish..

I’ve only gone back four or five pages but the vast majority of posts on this thread are saying how shit the club/team/individual players/manager/assistant manager/radio commentator and replacement rail bus service are regardless of what happens or who we play 

And its been that way (apart from the replacement rail bus service) since Adams missed two chances in two minutes at Wolves 

Saintsweb fans must be the most entitled in the league and it didn’t use to be that way. It was us united against the rest and this was part of what kept us up in the Dell days

Now, good Lord above, I have serious flaws as anyone who knows me can testify but maybe, just maybe….

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6 minutes ago, saintant said:

I didn't see the game but if we were stupid enough to give Declan Rice the freedom of the park it is a miracle we managed to scramble a point. What goes on at the training ground in preparation for matches? Does nobody gather a dossier on our opponents strengths and weaknesses? You wouldn't even need a dossier to know what Rice can do - it's there for anyone to see watching him in televised games. I despair at how amateur this club has become.

Aribo spent the whole second half just strolling up and down the right, didn’t get back to cover Rice and made little effort to break forward when he had the chance. Lazy cunt.

Think it’s win or sack for Ralph now on Weds.

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West Ham had 25 shots to our 10, 61% possession and 14 corners to our 4 whilst our manager changed to having just one striker mid way through the second half and kept Elyonoussi on. But according to Blackmore we should be happy at that. Those in and around the club have lowered expectations so much that these standards have become acceptable and unless those in charge act quickly, there's only one way we're heading. 

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5 minutes ago, Highfield Saint said:

Haha. Very good! ish..

I’ve only gone back four or five pages but the vast majority of posts on this thread are saying how shit the club/team/individual players/manager/assistant manager/radio commentator and replacement rail bus service are regardless of what happens or who we play 

And its been that way (apart from the replacement rail bus service) since Adams missed two chances in two minutes at Wolves 

Saintsweb fans must be the most entitled in the league and it didn’t use to be that way. It was us united against the rest and this was part of what kept us up in the Dell days

Now, good Lord above, I have serious flaws as anyone who knows me can testify but maybe, just maybe….

What a pile of steaming horseshit.

Entitled?

Can we not have any expectancy of a man paid millions to have us play a shape and tactics to win some games? Jesus christ. Everyone watching bar Ralph knew to not sit back and invite pressure. 

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9 minutes ago, Highfield Saint said:

Haha. Very good! ish..

I’ve only gone back four or five pages but the vast majority of posts on this thread are saying how shit the club/team/individual players/manager/assistant manager/radio commentator and replacement rail bus service are regardless of what happens or who we play 

And its been that way (apart from the replacement rail bus service) since Adams missed two chances in two minutes at Wolves 

Saintsweb fans must be the most entitled in the league and it didn’t use to be that way. It was us united against the rest and this was part of what kept us up in the Dell days

Now, good Lord above, I have serious flaws as anyone who knows me can testify but maybe, just maybe….

Agree with the majority. Twitter is worse. Full of kids that think Saints should be competing for Europe year after year. My guess is it’s a generational thing and they’re teenagers, therefore it’s all they’ve known.

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1 hour ago, Wade Garrett said:

Disagree about Adam Armstrong.  Thought he was our best player.

He was really busy, and worked his socks off.

The only issue is that he doesn't offer a real goal threat at the moment. There weren't too many opportunities today, but in general, he hesitates, doesn't just shoot on site or even get himself into positions to score.

Just because he has moved out wide shouldn't excuse this lack of goal threat. He badly needs to get one and then maybe another. It could all fall into place, but then again...

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17 minutes ago, Highfield Saint said:

Haha. Very good! ish..

I’ve only gone back four or five pages but the vast majority of posts on this thread are saying how shit the club/team/individual players/manager/assistant manager/radio commentator and replacement rail bus service are regardless of what happens or who we play 

And its been that way (apart from the replacement rail bus service) since Adams missed two chances in two minutes at Wolves 

Saintsweb fans must be the most entitled in the league and it didn’t use to be that way. It was us united against the rest and this was part of what kept us up in the Dell days

Now, good Lord above, I have serious flaws as anyone who knows me can testify but maybe, just maybe….

would mind pointing out all the positives that we should be united about

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So let me get this straight. 

As fans we have to be happy with our lot, and to even suggest that our team should be capable if coached and set up properly of finishing above the relegation places is entitled and being a shit fan?

Ok, that makes me a shit fan.

Maybe I'll see through the error of my ways and fall to my knees in tears if we somehow win before 2023...

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Was at the game, not been for a while. Good first half, appalling second half. 
4 fucking subs at once tells me he’s lost the plot. It was a mess. Wham could have scored 5 with better finishing. 
also the ground has got quieter if you can believe it. I guess people have nothing to get excited about.

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First half was decent. Should have scored a 2nd during that period, but Adams continues to make Brett Ormerod look like a clinical machine.

Second half was the norm though, as expected the opposition react and we just don't seem to have the quality to repel them - either by defending or getting that crucial 2nd/3rd goals. We then lose control of the game. We did well to draw in all honesty, so I'll take that - but it's still not particularly impressive.

Our lack of goals is no surprise really, we just don't have any goal scorers in the side and whoever manages us will figure out that enormous and ultimately fatal limitation in our game.

I think it's time to start looking up the Championship grounds for next season, as I just do not see how we can win games with the attack we have.

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Adams couldn’t finish his dinner but dragging him off is still a mistake. Such a let off for West Ham as we lose all presence up top. 
 

Could’ve easily been a bit of a tonking but for a few of WHU’s good efforts being a foot wide. 
 

Ralph out of ideas, time to go. 

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1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

I had the misfortune to listen in the car on the way home from the game. He’s full of shite, so far up Ralph’s arse it’s untrue. Ask some awkward questions man, he’s just giving Ralph an easy ride. Tessems as bad, did you hear him say “saints won’t win the league” whilst talking about supporters expectations. No shit Sherlock. 
 

 

I listened too and whether I lost it in translation or not I’m not sure but one minute he was saying we weren’t good enough, it was poor etc then all of a sudden it was on the fans cos we can’t expect them to win the league !!! Bring back big Dave ffs

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1 hour ago, Highfield Saint said:

Haha. Very good! ish..

I’ve only gone back four or five pages but the vast majority of posts on this thread are saying how shit the club/team/individual players/manager/assistant manager/radio commentator and replacement rail bus service are regardless of what happens or who we play 

And its been that way (apart from the replacement rail bus service) since Adams missed two chances in two minutes at Wolves 

Saintsweb fans must be the most entitled in the league and it didn’t use to be that way. It was us united against the rest and this was part of what kept us up in the Dell days

Now, good Lord above, I have serious flaws as anyone who knows me can testify but maybe, just maybe….

It’s like that though, and far worse actually on most PL, Championship and bigger League One clubs forums. Have a sample of a few and see. Broadly I agree with you about how revolting Twitter is, to the point where I can no longer stomach using it even for promoting stuff for work. I too remember the 1990s but you are forgetting some key differences to now. Saints were up against it in those days against clubs with stadiums double the size of a Dell at the end of its life, trying desperately to find somewhere to build a new stadium. I defended the club a lot in that era post Branfoot and it was us against the rest of the league.

2017 onwards is a totally different kettle of fish. The club didn’t have to be sold to Gao, the middle of the Kingsland didn’t have to evict STHs to accommodate unsold £99 corporate seats still watching League One quality football. The club didn’t used to pick fights with fans constantly eg block 1 and away supporters were evicted from home areas at the Dell. And of course, whilst watching Saints on the road in that era was a depressing experience, at home the record kept us up and most games the players gave it their all. For example we beat ManU three times in a row in their prime at home. The primary focus was what mattered - first team and academy, not vanity projects and empty strap lines.

In those days we had disadvantages caused by the Taylor report and geography, no excuses now. Self inflicted problems, ponderous decision-making and governance, dreadful home league record for over 5 years, insipid performances and a faceless corporate feel. Adams has his strengths but only ever a second striker. All these posts and scouts and we ‘forget’ to buy a striker after Broja and Long left and AA flopped. Unbelievable. Romeu sold leaving only one DMC, an 18 year old, after seeing what Oriol’s leg break at Leeds did to results in 20/21. 

Find us a club apart from Brentford who wouldn’t being protesting and kicking off hugely in the same shoes and you will be doing well. Blackmore is definitely channeling the sloping shoulders of Semmens and the board but businesses that blame their paying punters without exception go out of business in the end and understandably so. Take heed SR.

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Thought I’d wait a while before posting.

The first half was good. We used the ball well enough, although I feel as though we were still far, far too negative. Too many balls went backwards and slowed us down when trying a killer pass or adventurous ball looked on. With the ball we played a 4231 but without we looked 4141. I thought it was a good way to play. Adams was enjoying the half but, as always, couldn’t finish. 

Second half was just like the old days. Clearly desperate for a positive result and so got too deep and lost all purpose. Aribo was a passenger and needed replacing much earlier than he was. The proposed Lyanco change needed to happen sooner and 4 attacking subs, whilst positive and pleasant to see, did nothing to stem the tide. Che needed help up top to get us out, instead we took him off.

I don’t understand why, when we’re winning, we can’t keep attacking and recycling the ball the way we do at 0-0 (or when losing). That’s down the coaches and manager. I’ve been Ralph in for so long but posted in the other thread that I’m done. Going 1-0 up, dominating the half, then bottling it and throwing away points isn’t good enough anymore. We’re sliding and look more panicked than ever for a result. I can only assume he’s got these three games because they’re in quick succession. If we don’t take 4 or 6 points from here he’s got to be done.

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1 hour ago, The Kraken said:

I heard that in the TV just as half time hit, how was everyone supposed to get to Eastleigh? Or no solutions offered?

Advised to take “alternative transport”. What fucking alternative transport? I walked. And got soaked. Walked 12 miles today. But the football was worth it wasn’t it.

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