Nathan Tella

[skintsaint]

20m is good money for a player who hasn't done it in the top flight. Hope he does well over there and gets his PL move in a few years.

[Charlie Wayman]

Let's hope Saints have inserted a sell-on clause for Tella. If he has a successful season with BL and scores 15 goals, he will be hailed as the next Jude B Bellingham and the big clubs will be in for him. Start the bidding at £60m with Arsenal & Chelsea interested…. We need a share of that!

On a different note, seems RM's optimism of players changing their minds about leaving since the changeover of coaching staff and style of play was a bit premature. As far as can be told only Stuart Armstrong & KWP might be in that group but judging by his post match hand shakes all round on Saturday, my suspicion is that KWP will be off this week as well.

Hmmm!

Edited 28 August, 2023 by Charlie Wayman

[Saint IQ]

16 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Based on what? 

Based on him keeping us up for multiple seasons with hardly any investment into the team and the fact Everton were worse over the season than us when Ralph was manager.

Edited 28 August, 2023 by Saint IQ

[Lord Duckhunter]

8 minutes ago, Saint IQ said:

and the fact Everton were worse over the season than us when Ralph was manager.

Frank Lampard’s Everton were above us when Ralph was sacked.
Ralph was on target for 32 points when sacked. Everton got 36. 

[trousers]

Why did we allow one of the league's best players to leave the club in the summer when we didn't need to? Worst decision of the transfer window bar none?

[Baird of the land]

Just now, trousers said:

Why did we allow one of the league's best players to leave the club in the summer when we didn't need to? Worst decision of the transfer window bar none?

Yeah i don't think its coincidental that we've suddenly looked so much more unthreatening since we lost our genuine goal threat wide player and didn't replace him.

[Block41 Saint]

So, what happened to his replacement that Martin seemed so sure about getting? 

[trousers]

3 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

it is on par with "letting Romeu leave"

I'm scared how much we're agreeing on stuff so far this season...

[AlexLaw76]

2 minutes ago, trousers said:

I'm scared how much we're agreeing on stuff so far this season...

[Saint86]

On 23/09/2023 at 17:04, trousers said:

Why did we allow one of the league's best players to leave the club in the summer when we didn't need to? Worst decision of the transfer window bar none?

The tella sale is far from our worst bit of business. JWP was easily the worse decision of the transfer window. Easily!! 3 years left, captain, plays every minute of every game, and hands down our best player. £27M. The guy will go on for another 5 years at the top level as well. The state of our LB, CBs and RB cover are all worse bits of business than Tella sadly.

Edited 25 September, 2023 by Saint86

[Convict Colony]

Lad made the right choice.

Leverkusen top of the bundesliga and unbeaten, 31 out of 33 pts is insane and he scored on saturday.

[Saint_clark]

8 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

Lad made the right choice.

Leverkusen top of the bundesliga and unbeaten, 31 out of 33 pts is insane and he scored on saturday.

Had very little involvement up till recently. Still a frustrating loss. Doubt they'll end up winning the league, Bayern are too consistent for that.

[Ex Lion Tamer]

He seems to be starting in the Europa League but hasn't got more than 20 minutes in a league game. He'll get his chance at some stage I'm sure

[LuckyNumber7]

29 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

Lad made the right choice.

Leverkusen top of the bundesliga and unbeaten, 31 out of 33 pts is insane and he scored on saturday.

It was actually today, good finish too...

 

[Convict Colony]

22 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

Had very little involvement up till recently. Still a frustrating loss. Doubt they'll end up winning the league, Bayern are too consistent for that.

Hard to break into a table topping team, let alone in a new country, am sure they are easing him in but he's getting great experience, happy for him.

[sfc4prem]

1 minute ago, LuckyNumber7 said:

It was actually today, good finish too...

 

Superb finish

[david in sweden]

 

Looking back at Burnley's runaway promotion efforts,  no Burnley fan could deny that it was - in no small part - due to Nathan's Tella's goal tally 

but the Burnley board must be kicking themselves for being so tight-fisted when they refused to stump up the extra few million we were asking.

Looking at the present Prem. league table  it makes a sorrowful picture for a club that was performing so well back in the Spring.

 

Now their fans must wait nervously for the club to invest " big time " in January in a desperate effort to stave off the inevitable relegation.

It's even more of a problem as they obviously have big problems - at both ends of the pitch. 

 

Nathan will have to wait the chance to break into his new side, but any team that can stand above Bayern Munich must be a really good team. 

[Dusic]

Burnley messed up the transfer window but IMO they were right not to overpay for Tella.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

I know he probably wanted to go and wouldn't have stayed, but in hindsight, would have been better to have kept Tella and sold Sulemana.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

3 hours ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

I know he probably wanted to go and wouldn't have stayed, but in hindsight, would have been better to have kept Tella and sold Sulemana.

Agree with this

[Ex Lion Tamer]

8 hours ago, david in sweden said:

 

Looking back at Burnley's runaway promotion efforts,  no Burnley fan could deny that it was - in no small part - due to Nathan's Tella's goal tally 

but the Burnley board must be kicking themselves for being so tight-fisted when they refused to stump up the extra few million we were asking.

Looking at the present Prem. league table  it makes a sorrowful picture for a club that was performing so well back in the Spring.

 

Now their fans must wait nervously for the club to invest " big time " in January in a desperate effort to stave off the inevitable relegation.

It's even more of a problem as they obviously have big problems - at both ends of the pitch. 

 

Nathan will have to wait the chance to break into his new side, but any team that can stand above Bayern Munich must be a really good team. 

It's hard for the fans but honestly it's best that Burnley spend their resources sensibly rather than splurging £20m on Tella

[Ex Lion Tamer]

4 hours ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

I know he probably wanted to go and wouldn't have stayed, but in hindsight, would have been better to have kept Tella and sold Sulemana.

Tella is at his peak ability, whereas Sulemana could develop into a top player and be worth much more than anyone was willing to pay last summer. We definitely sold the right one

[Lee On Solent Saint]

30 minutes ago, Ex Lion Tamer said:

Tella is at his peak ability, whereas Sulemana could develop into a top player and be worth much more than anyone was willing to pay last summer. We definitely sold the right one

I disagree. Sulemana should be tearing up this league, yet he has shown anything but that type of form. 

[Ex Lion Tamer]

3 hours ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

I disagree. Sulemana should be tearing up this league, yet he has shown anything but that type of form. 

I do have a worry that he will never fulfill his potential. But we've got to stick with him in case he does. And it's only really his final ball that's the issue, he's beating his man regularly (I wasn't able to watch the Huddersfield game)

[Matty's Caddy]

On 26/11/2023 at 21:36, Ex Lion Tamer said:

I do have a worry that he will never fulfill his potential. But we've got to stick with him in case he does. And it's only really his final ball that's the issue, he's beating his man regularly (I wasn't able to watch the Huddersfield game)

Lack of movement in the box doesn’t help. Maybe RS will make the runs CA should

[Osvaldorama]

On 26/11/2023 at 17:02, Ex Lion Tamer said:

Tella is at his peak ability, whereas Sulemana could develop into a top player and be worth much more than anyone was willing to pay last summer. We definitely sold the right one

Insane opinion. Tella is miles ahead of Sulemana in almost every way 

[suewhistle]

Including age, by nearly two and a half years, which makes a big difference at this age.

Personally I think he has more potential than Tella: faster, a decent and better touch but still lacking the decision making that experience will bring. I've seen signs of better movement too. So all in all not an "insane opinion" and I wouldn't make quite such dogmatic statements for such a young player, new to English football.

 

[notnowcato]

4 hours ago, Osvaldorama said:

Insane opinion. Tella is miles ahead of Sulemana in almost every way 

Except maybe pace, vision and ball mastery. 

[OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint]

5 hours ago, notnowcato said:

Except maybe pace, vision and ball mastery. 

Feel Tella has better ball mastery (if the opposition will let him). Problem is, he'll always be lightweight, so I also think we sold the right player. Sulemana has the physique and speed to get past and hold opposition at bay, but he's a long way off the finished article.

a) he somehow slows the game up with his ponderous initial dribbling, b) his touch leaves a lot to be desired and c) his decision making is crap. Often he'll get past his defender and then try and get past him again. 

[AlexLaw76]

6 hours ago, notnowcato said:

Except maybe pace, vision and ball mastery. 

I will accept that when Sully scores 15+ league goals, makes team of the year and spearheads us to automatic promotion

[notnowcato]

10 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

I will accept that when Sully scores 15+ league goals, makes team of the year and spearheads us to automatic promotion

Why?

Sulemana is clearly faster than Tella. Vision and ball mastery is slightly more subjective but arguably true. 
 

If all you’re concerned about is outcomes then Le Tissier’s total number of England caps makes Eric Dier a better player than him. 

[AlexLaw76]

17 minutes ago, notnowcato said:

Why?

Sulemana is clearly faster than Tella. Vision and ball mastery is slightly more subjective but arguably true. 
 

If all you’re concerned about is outcomes then Le Tissier’s total number of England caps makes Eric Dier a better player than him. 

Because the outcome required is promotion this season, not in 5 years. Tella has a proven track record of the highest order in this league, Sully has done very little so far.

[notnowcato]

1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Because the outcome required is promotion this season, not in 5 years. Tella has a proven track record of the highest order in this league, Sully has done very little so far.

All this might be true and yet irrelevant to the conversation being had on player attributes. 

[pimpin4rizeal]

23 hours ago, Osvaldorama said:

Insane opinion. Tella is miles ahead of Sulemana in almost every way 

Think sulamana has pretty much better attributes then tella with everything apart from finishing.. but tella is a 20 goal a season guy in the championship ..

still think sulamana has more potential though 

Edited 29 November, 2023 by pimpin4rizeal

[Holmes_and_Watson]

The system we play has a bearing here too. Sulemana may be the faster of the two. But in a system that allows teams to reset, and get gradually pulled out of position (as our games often end up), that becomes less important. Like a number of our team, he's having to learn other skills, that may not have been his best attributes.

As we saw at the start of the season, Tella offered a more direct attacking threat, and enough skill to carry it out. If anything, the extra attention that teams would have to pay Tella, would have allowed Sule to flourish more on the other flank.

Clearly Martin is instructing Sule in all those other areas. Not surprisingly, it will be frustrating on both sides for some players.

Sule may have the most potential, but the areas he has the most potential in may not be an easy fit just now, while other areas have to develop. No reason why Tella also couldn't have developed here, while already showing more effectiveness in outcome.

[AlexLaw76]

4 hours ago, notnowcato said:

All this might be true and yet irrelevant to the conversation being had on player attributes. 

Sully has done very little, hence why he plays in the championship and not for a team top of the German League

[Saint Matty 76]

In fairness, Tella is barely playing for a team top of the German League either.

[Osvaldorama]

8 hours ago, notnowcato said:

Why?

Sulemana is clearly faster than Tella. Vision and ball mastery is slightly more subjective but arguably true. 
 

If all you’re concerned about is outcomes then Le Tissier’s total number of England caps makes Eric Dier a better player than him. 

Just making it up. Tella was player of the season in this league. Sulemana has done nothing except sulk. 
 

You guys have it backward about the physicality as well. Tella proved he could live with the championship aggression. Sulemana is lightweight and gets bullied out of games. 
 

 

[AlexLaw76]

2 hours ago, Saint Matty 76 said:

In fairness, Tella is barely playing for a team top of the German League either.

He has played more for a team top of a major league than Sully has this season

[AlexLaw76]

45 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

Just making it up. Tella was player of the season in this league. Sulemana has done nothing except sulk. 
 

You guys have it backward about the physicality as well. Tella proved he could live with the championship aggression. Sulemana is lightweight and gets bullied out of games. 
 

 

How often does Sulemana play a full game?

[david in sweden]

On 29/11/2023 at 14:39, Saint Matty 76 said:

In fairness, Tella is barely playing for a team top of the German League either.

well in fact he does.  I watched Europa League game v. top Swedish club  Häcken ( pronounced Hecken b.t.w.) on TV here last evening.

Impressed by Leverkrusen's tactics, lots of possession 60% (ala. Saints) although Häcken attacked a lot Leverkrusen's defence were equal to the task.

Nathan  started the game and energetically turned up all over the place, showing incredible pace and was unlucky not to score. 

He was in the first batch of subs. after the hour, and got a good reception coming off.    The Germans scored in each half and won 2-0.

Edited 1 December, 2023 by david in sweden

[VectisSaint]

50 minutes ago, david in sweden said:

well in fact he does.  I watched Europa League game v. top Swedish club  Häcken ( pronounced Hecken b.t.w.) on TV here last evening.

Impressed by Leverkrusen's tactics, lots of possession 60% (ala. Saints) although Häcken attacked a lot Leverkrusen's defence were equal to the task.

Nathan  started the game and energetically turned up all over the place, showing incredible pace and was unlucky not to score. 

He was in the first batch of subs. after the hour, and got a good reception coming off.    The Germans scored in each half and won 2-0.

Toi be fair, t was his playing in the Bundesliga that was being discussed. He has played only 63 minutes in 7 appearance so far in the League, 1 goal, no assists. So far Leverkusen have scored 37 goals this season in 12 games. Clearly struggling to break through into the very successful first team, but his recent goal will help no doubt.  In the Europa League he has made 5 starts, also 1 goal, no assists.

Nevertheless Sulemana is way behind Tella at present, but bear in mind he has 3 years to develop before he reaches Tella's age.  

[Convict Colony]

Played majority of match yesterday in Leverkusens win, scored a goal and was man of the match, what a mistake not joining burnley.

Edited 21 January, 2024 by Convict Colony

[Saint_clark]

Leverkusen 7 points clear now, he'll end up a title winner in his first season away from the club. Fair play to him. 

[VectisSaint]

5 minutes ago, Saint_clark said:

Leverkusen 7 points clear now, he'll end up a title winner in his first season away from the club. Fair play to him. 

130 minutes total, no starts, 11 subs, 2 goals (1 in last match), 0 assists so far (Bundesliga).

[AlexLaw76]

1 minute ago, VectisSaint said:

130 minutes total, no starts, 11 subs, 2 goals (1 in last match), 0 assists so far (Bundesliga).

A winner then

[Ted Bates Statue]

On 21/01/2024 at 10:24, Convict Colony said:

Played majority of match yesterday in Leverkusens win, scored a goal and was man of the match, what a mistake not joining burnley.

What a dreadful career move, he must be hating it out there. Only the mighty Burnley can save him from such terrible circumstances. Fingers crossed they will free him soon.

[Barsiem]

It would be funny if the Englishman who ends up with a Bundesliga winners medal this season is Nathan Tella rather than Harry Kane

[Saint_clark]

25 minutes ago, VectisSaint said:

130 minutes total, no starts, 11 subs, 2 goals (1 in last match), 0 assists so far (Bundesliga).

He'll still get a medal. Jealousy is ugly my friend.

[Fabrice Fernandes no.1 fan]

1 hour ago, Ted Bates Statue said:

What a dreadful career move, he must be hating it out there. Only the mighty Burnley can save him from such terrible circumstances. Fingers crossed they will free him soon.

Poor thing having to learn from Xabi Alonso too, he'll learn nothing about playing football there and come back a much worse player