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Saintscummer

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Anyone have an opinion on what his worth would be ? Hoping there isn’t a prearranged fee agreed at the start of the loan as he is worth considerably more now than he was then. 
 

I'm thinking he has to be worth £15m to £20m. He is young, English (?), fast and can score goals. 

SaintTex

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  On 25/04/2023 at 14:18, Saintscummer said:

Anyone have an opinion on what his worth would be ? Hoping there isn’t a prearranged fee agreed at the start of the loan as he is worth considerably more now than he was then. 
 

I'm thinking he has to be worth £15m to £20m. He is young, English (?), fast and can score goals. 

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we paid £15m for Adam Armstrong who scored 28 goals in his last Championship season with Blackburn. Tella has 17 goals.

Maybe inflation gets him to £20m. Maybe.

Is Tella more of an Armstrong or more of a Toney? Time will tell.

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S-Clarke

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Adam Armstrong fetched £15.6m and he was into the last year of his contract @ Blackburn. Tella still has a few years left to run.

Bidding starts between £20-25m for me.

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Chris cooper

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  On 25/04/2023 at 15:02, benjii said:

Yes, asking price should be 25m+.

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We should sell for no less then than 25m ..any other professional football club would sell for that inflated English player price .. but saints being soft touch will sell for 15m or less probably.. stating “you can’t hold a player back if he wants to leave” 

bollox! We are a business .. Burnley want they’ll have to front up the 25 mill .

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pimpin4rizeal

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  On 25/04/2023 at 18:57, Chris cooper said:

We should sell for no less then than 25m ..any other professional football club would sell for that inflated English player price .. but saints being soft touch will sell for 15m or less probably.. stating “you can’t hold a player back if he wants to leave” 

bollox! We are a business .. Burnley want they’ll have to front up the 25 mill .

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I’d go further then that .. make him stay .. he will be a immense asset to us in the championship.. put a huge price tag on his head that prices him out of moving to burnley and hold firm .it’s time we started doing  what’s good for us 

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AlexLaw76

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  On 26/04/2023 at 03:44, pimpin4rizeal said:

I’d go further then that .. make him stay .. he will be a immense asset to us in the championship.. put a huge price tag on his head that prices him out of moving to burnley and hold firm .it’s time we started doing  what’s good for us 

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we will need money....we are about to take a huge hit in finances and we still pay players a decent amount

Dusic

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  On 26/04/2023 at 05:15, AlexLaw76 said:

we will need money....we are about to take a huge hit in finances and we still pay players a decent amount

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Conservatively we will be able to raise £150m through the sales of JWP, Lavia, KWP, Adams and ABK alone.

Will also likely end up saving on the high wages of Elyounoussi, Walcott and Armstrong.

Financially we should be in a decent enough position not to be forced to accept a deal for Tella for financial reasons.

He will go because he will be firm that he wants to.

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egg

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  On 26/04/2023 at 05:40, Dusic said:

Conservatively we will be able to raise £150m through the sales of JWP, Lavia, KWP, Adams and ABK alone.

Will also likely end up saving on the high wages of Elyounoussi, Walcott and Armstrong.

Financially we should be in a decent enough position not to be forced to accept a deal for Tella for financial reasons.

He will go because he will be firm that he wants to.

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How do you get to £150m for that lot? If we were in the PL, maybe close to that, but once we're down we're easy pickings. 

As for Tella, I think he'll command a decent fee, but not the £25m that some people think we'll get. He'll want Burnley, they'll want him, they won't want to pay £25m and ultimately we'll have little choice to take what's on offer otherwise we'll be stuck with a player who doesn't want to be here. 

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Dman

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  On 26/04/2023 at 08:36, The Curse of St Mary's said:

 I assume we cannot recall Tella but can he play for us once Burnley have completed their season on 8th May which means he could feature in our last three games? 

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No. Only certain windows throughout the season which a player can be registered in the squad. 

Dman

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  On 26/04/2023 at 08:07, egg said:

How do you get to £150m for that lot? If we were in the PL, maybe close to that, but once we're down we're easy pickings. 

As for Tella, I think he'll command a decent fee, but not the £25m that some people think we'll get. He'll want Burnley, they'll want him, they won't want to pay £25m and ultimately we'll have little choice to take what's on offer otherwise we'll be stuck with a player who doesn't want to be here. 

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Sorry Egg mate, but completely disagree. 

What Tella or Burnley want is completely irrelevant. He’s our player, he’s recently signed a contract with us, so we hold all the cards here. 

It’s board weakness and giving into player power that has got us into this mess in the first place. 

If he doesn’t want to be here and downs tools (doesn’t strike me as that kinda guy tbh), then more fool him, it’s his career that’s at risk. I’d imagine keeping him around would cost us next to fuck all, even if he’s sulking and not playing. 
 

FWIw, I think he’s a decent championship player but not good enough for the prem. we’ve more than enough of them in the squad. £20-£25m would be fantastic business 

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VectisSaint

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  On 26/04/2023 at 03:44, pimpin4rizeal said:

I’d go further then that .. make him stay .. he will be a immense asset to us in the championship.. put a huge price tag on his head that prices him out of moving to burnley and hold firm .it’s time we started doing  what’s good for us 

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Great idea, make him stay, have him mope around because he is unhappy. If he wants to go then he will go, contracts aren't really worth the paper they are written on. Saints pissed him off (allegedly), he has no loyalty to Saints (he's not even a Saints product). he may not end up at Burnley, there will be other suitors who can afford him.

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VectisSaint

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  On 26/04/2023 at 08:36, The Curse of St Mary's said:

 I assume we cannot recall Tella but can he play for us once Burnley have completed their season on 8th May which means he could feature in our last three games? 

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He is injured at the moment (hip), that's why he has not featured in last couple of games. Hoping to be back for their last game on May 8, but not certain.

egg

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  On 26/04/2023 at 09:08, Dman said:

Sorry Egg mate, but completely disagree. 

What Tella or Burnley want is completely irrelevant. He’s our player, he’s recently signed a contract with us, so we hold all the cards here. 

It’s board weakness and giving into player power that has got us into this mess in the first place. 

If he doesn’t want to be here and downs tools (doesn’t strike me as that kinda guy tbh), then more fool him, it’s his career that’s at risk. I’d imagine keeping him around would cost us next to fuck all, even if he’s sulking and not playing. 
 

FWIw, I think he’s a decent championship player but not good enough for the prem. we’ve more than enough of them in the squad. £20-£25m would be fantastic business 

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That's a lovely theory, but can you name one player who's had a successful season when he's stayed against his will? It never ends well, you know that. 

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Whitey Grandad

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  On 26/04/2023 at 10:40, egg said:

That's a lovely theory, but can you name one player who's had a successful season when he's stayed against his will? It never ends well, you know that. 

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There are such cases but he's a young player and for his future career prospects he needs to consider his behaviour very carefully.

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Barsiem

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  On 26/04/2023 at 10:40, egg said:

That's a lovely theory, but can you name one player who's had a successful season when he's stayed against his will? It never ends well, you know that. 

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Suarez for Liverpool springs to mind.  Schneiderlain for us I'd say as well

aintforever

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  On 26/04/2023 at 10:40, egg said:

That's a lovely theory, but can you name one player who's had a successful season when he's stayed against his will? It never ends well, you know that. 

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We're Southampton, 90% of the players here would rather be somewhere else.

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Turkish

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  On 26/04/2023 at 10:40, egg said:

That's a lovely theory, but can you name one player who's had a successful season when he's stayed against his will? It never ends well, you know that. 

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Schniderlin.

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Chez

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  On 25/04/2023 at 18:57, Chris cooper said:

We should sell for no less then than 25m ..any other professional football club would sell for that inflated English player price .. but saints being soft touch will sell for 15m or less probably.. stating “you can’t hold a player back if he wants to leave” 

bollox! We are a business .. Burnley want they’ll have to front up the 25 mill .

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Burnley's record signing cost about £15m, so forking out £25m will be a major commitment.

Lallana's Left Peg

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  On 26/04/2023 at 12:42, Chez said:

Burnley's record signing cost about £15m, so forking out £25m will be a major commitment.

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Their record transfer fee is irrelevant to us though.  If we have a young English player ready to plug into our Championship team who is familiar with the league and was one of the best players in it, then that is worth a lot of money to us.  The loan worked out great for both Burnley and Southampton.

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Dman

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  On 26/04/2023 at 10:40, egg said:

That's a lovely theory, but can you name one player who's had a successful season when he's stayed against his will? It never ends well, you know that. 

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My point being, so what if it doesn’t. His salary will be (relatively speaking) on the lower end & he didn’t cost us anything to buy if ROI is 0, we haven’t lost very much.

Given his length of contract, he has little choice but for it to end well or he could waste 3-4 years of his prime.  Very different to one who has a year or 2 left and can walk for nothing the next summer. 

Fwiw, I’m not saying we shouldn’t sell, just that we shouldn’t have put pants pulled down and accept anything, because the player wants to go. 

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david in sweden

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  On 26/04/2023 at 10:40, egg said:

That's a lovely theory, but can you name one player who's had a successful season when he's stayed against his will? It never ends well, you know that. 

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What we have is a TEAM problem.  If you look at that short list of.. "wanna go's " they have all shown their personal skills / talents, quite frequently

during the season.  Many of our defeats have often been down to individual errors on the day but those named are far too good for the Championship. 

In any summer fire sale, I could see us getting 100-120 mill. without any doubt.  

pimpin4rizeal

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  On 26/04/2023 at 09:47, VectisSaint said:

Great idea, make him stay, have him mope around because he is unhappy. If he wants to go then he will go, contracts aren't really worth the paper they are written on. Saints pissed him off (allegedly), he has no loyalty to Saints (he's not even a Saints product). he may not end up at Burnley, there will be other suitors who can afford him.

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He would only mope around until he realised it’s not gonna do him any good anyway .. what’s he gonna do throw his career away over a childish strop ??

he probably has plenty of friends at saints he’s been here for years it’s not gonna be the end of his life is it .. he might be disappointed to start with but would soon knuckle down when he realises we are keeping him 

Turkish

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  On 26/04/2023 at 14:34, egg said:

Yep, that's fair but for every Morgan, there's plenty of Virgil's. 

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I do agree with you though it rarely goes well. He'll probably want the move. However with the length of time he's got on his contract and the fact that we wont be desperate to sell, ie we get two years of parachute payments plus we'll probably get good money for JWP, KWP, Salisu, AB & Lavia and hopefully get Elyanoussi, McCCarthy and Walcott off the payroll then we should be in a postion to not be rolled over. If it was either the case he was at the end of his contract or the parachute money was gone then it'd be very different..

Dusic

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  On 26/04/2023 at 08:07, egg said:

How do you get to £150m for that lot? If we were in the PL, maybe close to that, but once we're down we're easy pickings. 

As for Tella, I think he'll command a decent fee, but not the £25m that some people think we'll get. He'll want Burnley, they'll want him, they won't want to pay £25m and ultimately we'll have little choice to take what's on offer otherwise we'll be stuck with a player who doesn't want to be here. 

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Hypothetically:

JWP - £40m

Lavia - £40m

ABK - £25m (cheap for a Germany Intl of his age)

KWP - £20m

Adams - £15m

Salisu - £20m

£160m here and could easily end up with others like Livramento, Alcaraz, Sulemana attracting interest and if they did each of those would be for sizeable fees.

Obviously we aren't going to sell our whole squad but we will rake in a substantial amount, thats for sure.

Therefore when Tella goes it won't be because we are desperate for the cash.

Chris cooper

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  On 26/04/2023 at 12:42, Chez said:

Burnley's record signing cost about £15m, so forking out £25m will be a major commitment.

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My guess is they will want him but won’t wana pay anywhere near 25m.

he’s English so his fee will be inflated…hopefully start a bidding war .. Sheffield Utd and the playoff winner might throw their new prem cap into the mix and want him.

I’m intrigued to see if he has gone up a level and can now cut it in the prem.

If he can .. then we should have recalled in January.. I’ve seen enough of him at ours to say he won’t so sell to the highest bidder or Burnley.

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Dman

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  On 26/04/2023 at 14:34, egg said:

Yep, that's fair but for every Morgan, there's plenty of Virgil's. 

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With all due respect to them, we’re talking about fucking Burnley here. Hardly a career defining move for him. 
 

I genuinely cannot see a situation where a player would down tool to force a move to Burnley. 

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Holmes_and_Watson

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  On 26/04/2023 at 15:39, Dman said:

I genuinely cannot see a situation where a player would down tool to force a move to Burnley. 

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Not Burney as a club, but I can see a player really wanting to be playing at a higher level than we're likely to be at next season, where he's getting first team starts, and where he's probably feeling a lot happier being at, after stop start appearances here. Not to mention the chance to use a good season or so there, for a move to a higher club. So, if Burley make an acceptable bid for him, it could be in the interests of all concerned that he moves on.

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redkeith

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  On 26/04/2023 at 10:40, egg said:

That's a lovely theory, but can you name one player who's had a successful season when he's stayed against his will? It never ends well, you know that. 

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Morgan Schniederlin

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aintforever

aintforever

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  On 26/04/2023 at 08:07, egg said:

As for Tella, I think he'll command a decent fee, but not the £25m that some people think we'll get. He'll want Burnley, they'll want him, they won't want to pay £25m and ultimately we'll have little choice to take what's on offer otherwise we'll be stuck with a player who doesn't want to be here. 

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He’s only 23 and one of the best attacking players in the Championship, I expect he will have more options than Saints or Burnley.

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pimpin4rizeal

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  On 26/04/2023 at 10:40, egg said:

That's a lovely theory, but can you name one player who's had a successful season when he's stayed against his will? It never ends well, you know that. 

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I think this is a total myth .. what’s the worst thing that’s happened when we made anyone stay ? We sold them in the end anyway ?

the more we keep giving into this shitty soft notion that we can’t possibly keep a player against his wishes the weaker we become..

what’s next burnley don’t want to pay our asking price so let’s knock off ten million and get Martin semmens to give him a handjob on the journey there .. 

it’s ridiculous  

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HarvSFC

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  On 26/04/2023 at 10:40, egg said:

That's a lovely theory, but can you name one player who's had a successful season when he's stayed against his will? It never ends well, you know that. 

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Not Saints, but Caicedo at Brighton is continuing to look very impressive. Harry Kane for Spurs when he wanted out a couple of summers back.

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egg

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  On 26/04/2023 at 15:39, Dman said:

With all due respect to them, we’re talking about fucking Burnley here. Hardly a career defining move for him. 
 

I genuinely cannot see a situation where a player would down tool to force a move to Burnley. 

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We're talking about playing in the PL or playing in the championship. 

I genuinely cannot see a situation where a player would want to play in the championship when there's a PL offering him PL football, and wages. 

Saint_clark

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  On 26/04/2023 at 05:15, AlexLaw76 said:

we will need money....we are about to take a huge hit in finances and we still pay players a decent amount

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We also need a team that can get us out the Championship again, and we won't be able to sign any players who have just scored 17+ goals in the league. We already have one, don't let him go. 

Sell Lavia, KWP, Salisu and Adams and that by itself is enough to fund a push for promotion. 

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chiknsmack

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  On 26/04/2023 at 21:34, egg said:

We're talking about playing in the PL or playing in the championship. 

I genuinely cannot see a situation where a player would want to play in the championship when there's a PL offering him PL football, and wages. 

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We're talking about playing in the Championship or playing in the B team.

I genuinely cannot see a situation where a player would want to play for Saints B until he's 27 when he could play in the Championship - where he made team of the year the year before - and try to get Saints back to the PL to earn himself PL football, and wages.

Saint_clark

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  On 27/04/2023 at 02:02, chiknsmack said:

We're talking about playing in the Championship or playing in the B team.

I genuinely cannot see a situation where a player would want to play for Saints B until he's 27 when he could play in the Championship - where he made team of the year the year before - and try to get Saints back to the PL to earn himself PL football, and wages.

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What you're suggesting is basically the equivalent of Saints getting promotion back in 2012 and dropping Lallana to the reserves. 

AlexLaw76

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  On 26/04/2023 at 21:39, Saint_clark said:

We also need a team that can get us out the Championship again, and we won't be able to sign any players who have just scored 17+ goals in the league. We already have one, don't let him go. 

Sell Lavia, KWP, Salisu and Adams and that by itself is enough to fund a push for promotion. 

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I doubt Tella will want to stay, seeing as we do not stand in the way of people wanting to leave, even when comfortably in the premier league, can't see us starting now

egg

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  On 27/04/2023 at 02:02, chiknsmack said:

We're talking about playing in the Championship or playing in the B team.

I genuinely cannot see a situation where a player would want to play for Saints B until he's 27 when he could play in the Championship - where he made team of the year the year before - and try to get Saints back to the PL to earn himself PL football, and wages.

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This comes down to you and others believing a) that in reality we hold the cards in terms of whether he stays or goes, and b) that we'll let him rot in the reserves until his contract expires if he doesn't go on our terms.

On a) player power wins out most of the time - the lad will have PL football and money on the table now and it's obvious he'll want it; and b) the idea that we'll force him to stay but not him play him until his contract expires (in 2 years time when he's 25) is just daft. 

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Lighthouse

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It’ll be a negotiation like any other deal. Supposing Tella does want to go to Burnley, it’s in everyone’s best interests to agree a reasonable price. £20-25m is around the right area, if Burnley didn’t stump up that much they’d only have to go and spend it on some other unknown quantity from abroad, like we did with Sully.

The main factor affecting price is contract length, which is in our favour in this instance.

Saint86

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  On 26/04/2023 at 10:40, egg said:

That's a lovely theory, but can you name one player who's had a successful season when he's stayed against his will? It never ends well, you know that. 

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Tella will want to go and be part of the Burnley side he helped get promoted. But that doesn't mean he'll be unhappy at saints, down tools, and refuse to play / jeopardise his career. Those are very different things. Ultimately this isn't one of the big 6 or 7 squads, its Burnley... they might have a decent season next year, but they'll be back battling relegation after that at best.

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AlexLaw76

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  On 27/04/2023 at 07:49, Saint86 said:

Tella will want to go and be part of the Burnley side he helped get promoted. But that doesn't mean he'll be unhappy at saints, down tools, and refuse to play / jeopardise his career. Those are very different things. Ultimately this isn't one of the big 6 or 7 squads, its Burnley... they might have a decent season next year, but they'll be back battling relegation after that at best.

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He will want premier league football, premier league notoriety, premier league money, premier league everything.  He will likely feel he has 'ticked' the championship box.

We are a f-ing dysfunctional club, with idiots on charge and one that will be reducing costs, that farmed him out on loan to the championship in the first place....I would be pushing to leave 

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