Hampshire CCC 2023

[Window Cleaner]

170, not bad, we'll have to bowl well though. If we can get Lawrence and the Tubby Wicky quickly enough we may well be OK.

[Lighthouse]

Rescued a reasonable enough score from 96-6 but we’ll have to bowl well. I hate to pick on Whiteley but that’s been a stinker of a T20 season.

[badgerx16]

Oh well.

[Lighthouse]

Morning Lance Corporal.

[Window Cleaner]

2 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

Rescued a reasonable enough score from 96-6 but we’ll have to bowl well. I hate to pick on Whiteley but that’s been a stinker of a T20 season.

Right, he's done bugger all. Same as Fuller since his injury. Two liabilities at this level. At least Sweep Slog Joe did well.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

Rain break didn't do Hampshire any favours. Think they would have got home without DLS. 

[wadesmith]

I’m loathe to criticise DL , but I think it is slightly flawed. To get to needing 110 off 12 Essex would  normally probably have lost 2/3 wickets. Therefore when it restarted Essex could have 21 for 3 , they can bat their normal batsmen, but once they’ve lost 7 wickets essentially there innings ends. I think it is a flaw, the target can reduce by half, but the amount of wickets left for the chasing team stays the same. When Essex were 54-4 today, if that had been called 54-6 mentally that would effect you. It just seems to me something that needs tweaking.

[badgerx16]

10 minutes ago, wadesmith said:

I’m loathe to criticise DL , but I think it is slightly flawed. To get to needing 110 off 12 Essex would  normally probably have lost 2/3 wickets. Therefore when it restarted Essex could have 21 for 3 , they can bat their normal batsmen, but once they’ve lost 7 wickets essentially there innings ends. I think it is a flaw, the target can reduce by half, but the amount of wickets left for the chasing team stays the same. When Essex were 54-4 today, if that had been called 54-6 mentally that would effect you. It just seems to me something that needs tweaking.

But who decides which batsmen get passed over ? If, for instance, you dock them 3 wickets, would that be the next 3 in the batting line up or the last 3 ? To be fair surely it would be the former, as it is they who would be out if the wickets had truly fallen in 'normal' play.

[Barsiem]

9 minutes ago, wadesmith said:

I’m loathe to criticise DL , but I think it is slightly flawed. To get to needing 110 off 12 Essex would  normally probably have lost 2/3 wickets. Therefore when it restarted Essex could have 21 for 3 , they can bat their normal batsmen, but once they’ve lost 7 wickets essentially there innings ends. I think it is a flaw, the target can reduce by half, but the amount of wickets left for the chasing team stays the same. When Essex were 54-4 today, if that had been called 54-6 mentally that would effect you. It just seems to me something that needs tweaking.

I said similar earlier in the season as well.  During the game one of the commentators stated the fact it was likely to be a shortened game was a factor in Essex choosing to bowl first, which shows the players think the same!  It's been a great system, but needs a tweak I think.

That said, we probably would have won if we'd fielded a bit better.  A couple of dropped catches, those ridiculous byes McDermott conceded, and then Ellis' slower balls being telegraphed by all & sundry were the difference today

[Barsiem]

2 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

But who decides which batsmen get passed over ? If, for instance, you dock them 3 wickets, would that be the next 3 in the batting line up or the last 3 ? To be fair surely it would be the former, as it is they who would be out if the wickets had truly fallen in 'normal' play.

I think it's the runs that need to be tweaked (i.e. Essex should have had a higher chase than 112), but certainly can't forsee a way you can alter the number of wickets the batting team have fairly 

[wadesmith]

32 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

But who decides which batsmen get passed over ? If, for instance, you dock them 3 wickets, would that be the next 3 in the batting line up or the last 3 ? To be fair surely it would be the former, as it is they who would be out if the wickets had truly fallen in 'normal' play.

You don’t. It stays as it was when the rain comes, but once say 7 wickets are down your all out. It’s not perfect, but I think the current system is flawed. If you can go from needing 170 to 110...but still having 9 wickets, it’s a license to go berzerk, it sort of counteracts the slightly increased run rate. 

[Toadhall Saint]

16 hours ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Rain break didn't do Hampshire any favours. Think they would have got home without DLS. 

Agreed DLS did us no favours hence why all captains wanted to win the toss and bowl first citing overhead conditions. Out of all the teams that batted through 20 overs we posted the most.

[Hodgey]

Think they were unlucky, but they would have known rain was coming so arguably, with 4 wickets spare, should have gone harder - 10 more runs I think would have done it. That said without Weatherly we would have posted a dreadful score - outside of McD he was the only one who really took to the surface. Problem we had as stated is with 9 wickets spare in a shortened game Essex could risk wacking it. 

Whitely really did have a stinker - average of 16 and strike rate of 94. Prest was also pretty unconvincing (av 18, sr 116) so our problem was pretty obvious. Fuller also poor with the bat but as an all rounder he did ok (just nowhere near as good as last year) 

Both Howells and Turner really did add something more this year.

[Window Cleaner]

2 hours ago, Hodgey said:

Think they were unlucky, but they would have known rain was coming so arguably, with 4 wickets spare, should have gone harder - 10 more runs I think would have done it. Not reThat said without Weatherly we would have posted a dreadful score - outside of McD he was the only one who really took to the surface. Problem we had as stated is with 9 wickets spare in a shortened game Essex could risk wacking it. 

Whitely really did have a stinker - average of 16 and strike rate of 94. Prest was also pretty unconvincing (av 18, sr 116) so our problem was pretty obvious. Fuller also poor with the bat but as an all rounder he did ok (just nowhere near as good as last year) 

Both Howells and Turner really did add something more this year.

Fuller had a pretty poor record with the ball in the T20 as well. Often went for 9+ an over and only took 7 wickets at an average of 35+.

Nowhere near the player he was last season.  But he did have an injury and an illness I believe. Some of his Championship bowling the other day was wicked poor, bowled off the cut strip a few times.  Perhaps he's trying too hard to get pace he doesn't really have.

Prest? I have my doubts but he's still quite young and may need a technique adjustment to do well against better bowlers than he faced in the young categories. The One-day cup will be a big chance for him to shine, as will it for several others who've not shown too much yet this season.

[Tamesaint]

4 hours ago, Hodgey said:

Think they were unlucky, but they would have known rain was coming so arguably, with 4 wickets spare, should have gone harder - 10 more runs I think would have done it. That said without Weatherly we would have posted a dreadful score - outside of McD he was the only one who really took to the surface. Problem we had as stated is with 9 wickets spare in a shortened game Essex could risk wacking it. 

Whitely really did have a stinker - average of 16 and strike rate of 94. Prest was also pretty unconvincing (av 18, sr 116) so our problem was pretty obvious. Fuller also poor with the bat but as an all rounder he did ok (just nowhere near as good as last year) 

Both Howells and Turner really did add something more this year.

Weatherly was the day's highest scorer - as indeed so were Hampshire. We looked the best team when batting  and I have little doubt that without rain we would have beaten Essex.

Having said that I was pleased that (once we had been knocked out) Somerset won. They had been the best team in the qualifying rounds whilst the singing of the Essex boys  with its West Ham flavour ("You are only here for the Essex") became very tiresome. 

 

[manji]

I’ve been checking up on The Hundred. Southern Braves are first game on August 1st at Trent Bridge. The same day The Metro Bank One Day Cup starts on the same day with Hampshire at The Ageas Bowl. James Vince is playing for The Braves for example. 
what’s the point of another cup running at the same time ? 

[Barsiem]

20 minutes ago, manji said:

I’ve been checking up on The Hundred. Southern Braves are first game on August 1st at Trent Bridge. The same day The Metro Bank One Day Cup starts on the same day with Hampshire at The Ageas Bowl. James Vince is playing for The Braves for example. 
what’s the point of another cup running at the same time ? 

Money.

Albeit the 50 over comp is good for counties to blood youngsters at least.  Last season Middleton & Turner played and are now first teamers, and the year before was a bit of a breakthrough for Prest. But yeah, there's too much on at once with both comps running parallel 

[Window Cleaner]

8 hours ago, manji said:

I’ve been checking up on The Hundred. Southern Braves are first game on August 1st at Trent Bridge. The same day The Metro Bank One Day Cup starts on the same day with Hampshire at The Ageas Bowl. James Vince is playing for The Braves for example. 
what’s the point of another cup running at the same time ? 

The point is not having hundreds of county cricketers not playing any paying cricket for the entire month of August. The counties still have to pay those not interested or not selectionable for the latest in the franchise extravaganzas. During the T20 plenty were already playing club cricket whenever they could. They said on the commentary the other day that 3 or 4 of ours who don't play T20 were playing for Callington on week-ends.

[manji]

Thanks for the replies 👍

[Window Cleaner]

FFS  0/2

[badgerx16]

Holland, Middleton, Brown, and Dawson score 2 between them, ( well in fact Dawson scored 2, the others nothing ).

[Window Cleaner]

4 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Holland, Middleton, Brown, and Dawson score 2 between them, ( well in fact Dawson scored 2, the others nothing ).

84/6 at tea. All the real batters gone, most of them very cheaply.  Honestly the coaching has to be under review surely. Not to mention the young talent not progressing or so it would seem. Brown shouldn't be batting at 5 when we're supposed to have young talent available.

[Andrew Watson]

Brown should not be playing full stop,nor should any other player who continually under performs. I will ask the same question again,how do White and Birrell keep their jobs? Perhaps my old friend Ron Griffiths could give me the answer.

[badgerx16]

Somehow Holland has pulled Hants back into the match.

[Window Cleaner]

Well !    Notts don't bat very well either.  Pitch looks a bit helpful to the seamers though.  Might end up with a decent first innings lead.

[31cc]

Lead of 66, Notts all out for 100 🙂  

[Lighthouse]

So… who put money on a healthy first innings lead when we were 88-7 yesterday?

[Weston Saint]

21 hours ago, Andrew Watson said:

Brown should not be playing full stop,nor should any other player who continually under performs. I will ask the same question again,how do White and Birrell keep their jobs? Perhaps my old friend Ron Griffiths could give me the answer.

Burrell is a good coach, highly rated and sought after. Bit of a hick up over the past few games but team will come back. Good recovery so far today at Tea.

[Barsiem]

21 hours ago, Andrew Watson said:

Brown should not be playing full stop,nor should any other player who continually under performs. I will ask the same question again,how do White and Birrell keep their jobs? Perhaps my old friend Ron Griffiths could give me the answer.

Brown has a great record tbf - just not this year.  Plus he's WK and a good one at that. 

I think you're being harsh on the coaching staff.  Last season we won the T20 and pushed an unstoppable Surrey hard all season, falling away only in the final two games.  I think we also got to the semis in the 50 over tourney?  This season we're up and down in the Championship certainly, but another finals day (where we were beaten more by the weather than anything) and safe in the CC means we are doing far better than 90% of the counties.  Don't you think the coaches deserve a bit of credit for this?

[Lighthouse]

5 minutes ago, Barsiem said:

Brown has a great record tbf - just not this year.  Plus he's WK and a good one at that. 

I think you're being harsh on the coaching staff.  Last season we won the T20 and pushed an unstoppable Surrey hard all season, falling away only in the final two games.  I think we also got to the semis in the 50 over tourney?  This season we're up and down in the Championship certainly, but another finals day (where we were beaten more by the weather than anything) and safe in the CC means we are doing far better than 90% of the counties.  Don't you think the coaches deserve a bit of credit for this?

Our kids were the best team in it, loved going to ODC games last year. Somehow we came unstuck against a 158 year old I’m the semi against Kent but overall it was a hell of a season. We’re a batter light in all formats, need a county opener and a 3 in the T20 IMO, but otherwise decent.

[Hodgey]

It speaks volumes that our team is now down to 3 specialist batsmen - kind of makes sense when an all rounder is just as likely to make runs but it’s a bit damming on our batters. Is this just a reflection that more players need to be all rounders or that we can’t coach out and out batters ?

talking of which, two of our all rounders now pulling the game away from Notts. Seems like we always score more in the second innings, it’s like they use the first just to get used to it.

[Lighthouse]

F**k me, after what happened yesterday we’ve now declared. 😆

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, Hodgey said:

 Seems like we always score more in the second innings, it’s like they use the first just to get used to it.

Somebody needs to remind them how batting points are awarded.

[Weston Saint]

Another great win.  When you know this team you know they have the ability, class and determination.  Looking forward to Essex next week.

[Toadhall Saint]

5 minutes ago, Weston Saint said:

Another great win.  When you know this team you know they have the ability, class and determination.  Looking forward to Essex next week.

👍

[Toadhall Saint]

Not going to well today - put into bat and currently 75-5

[Andrew Watson]

The problem is Ron,we are total pants against the better sides and I see Brown failed with the bat again,even if the conditions favoured the bowlers. Take off your rose tinted spectacles.

[Hodgey]

With Hampshire I’ve learnt it’s too early to tell. They are really bad in first innings, better in second, and have a good bowling line up.
50/50 here whether the tail wags and we get them out cheaply. Or Essex amass a huge score and we lose by an innings. Plus we can’t play Harmer at all - he’s already got a wicket maiden in the first session…..

Probably a few of them prepping/thinking about the t16.4 

[Toadhall Saint]

Away from todays game itself - Rod Bransgrove has announced he is stepping down from being Chairman at ghe end of the season.

[Fabrice Fernandes no.1 fan]

18 hours ago, Toadhall Saint said:

Away from todays game itself - Rod Bransgrove has announced he is stepping down from being Chairman at ghe end of the season.

Timing is right, he's taken us as far as he can, and we have a lot to thank him for.

Very key to get the choice of replacement right, from a cricketing perspective. Rod has given us the infrastructure to be a title contender in each format every year really.

[Weston Saint]

12 minutes ago, Fabrice Fernandes no.1 fan said:

Timing is right, he's taken us as far as he can, and we have a lot to thank him for.

Very key to get the choice of replacement right, from a cricketing perspective. Rod has given us the infrastructure to be a title contender in each format every year really.

His replacement has already been announced from 1st January 2024, it is Nick Pike.  Nick has been involved with the club almost as long as Rod and he is a bright, active and worthy replacement in my opinion.

[Window Cleaner]

Now then, who wants to try to explain to me why Vince thought it necessary to do that, given our current situation?

[Window Cleaner]

I'd think we have a reasonable chance of losing inside 2 days here.

Roll on the One Day Cup.

[Lighthouse]

I’ve got a day off tomorrow, I was going to head over and watch for a few hours, weather permitting. I guess that’s not happening now.

[Picard]

Albert on loan at Kent and opening- a good opportunity to prove a point.

[Window Cleaner]

11 minutes ago, Picard said:

Albert on loan at Kent and opening- a good opportunity to prove a point.

Looks like he's made a handy start.  Perhaps the wicket is a bit better than the patchy horror served up at the Aegeas though.

Hants 5 down now, Dawson chopped on due to him not being able to see why Harmer left a hole in the field and trying to hit the ball through it.

Need a total shake up, it all looks so non-committed from Hants. 

[Andrew Watson]

1 hour ago, Window Cleaner said:

Looks like he's made a handy start.  Perhaps the wicket is a bit better than the patchy horror served up at the Aegeas though.

Hants 5 down now, Dawson chopped on due to him not being able to see why Harmer left a hole in the field and trying to hit the ball through it.

Need a total shake up, it all looks so non-committed from Hants. 

 

[Andrew Watson]

Agree about a shake up,still think the club has dropped a clanger keeping both Abbas and Abbott  on for next year,as good as they have been.Surely Donald has to replace Brown as keeper batsman,or at least be given a chance as a batsman and Prest as well. We are obviously holding both back for - The London Cup. We have decent batters on paper,but most are totally under performing where it matters on the pitch.

[Weston Saint]

Chat with the Coach, Adi Birrell. he is not happy but says there is a lack of confidence at present!

[Hodgey]

Hidden within the gloom was another fantastic bowling spell by Turner. Hope he stays injury free and with us as he looks like an incredible prospect across all formats.

Middletons inexperience has I think caught up with him a bit. But he’s still better than Organ/Weatherly/Holland as an opener which in itself is an issue. Gubbins is having a decent season, Brown is doing in the champs what Wheatley did in the T20 - both good players, both totally off form. Vince again looking a bit off form but with t20 captaincy previously and t16.4 nonsence upcoming I can see why he’d be distracted.

Good to see Albert get a decent knock in for Kent. Can see why we would hold off on a batsman with Albert and Prest around, and both opened for the 2nds last game with high scores. But don’t see either of those as 1st team openers which we need.