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Lord Duckhunter

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56 minutes ago, stevy777_x said:

Forest showing exactly the commitment they should be showing to Cooper by giving him TIME.

If they go down they’ll sack him….He’ll be lucky to last out the season. He certainly won’t last as long as Ralph has. 

Other than that, good point, we’ll made 😂

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56 minutes ago, Bob76 said:

He's had four years!!!!

And most of that well supported by the fans.

It took fergie 4 years to run United round. As Ralph said in the 3 consecutive abject recent losses we can also see the progress. He could be our Alex Ferguson 

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2 hours ago, DT said:

Alex Crook on Talksport said it was inevitable that there will be bumps in the road when building a young team. 'I'm told the mood in the dressing room is quite upbeat'

Not a reliable source then. 😅

I’m assuming he’s been told Ralph is optimistic of Danny Ings signing his new contract soon… 🤣

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5 hours ago, benali-shorts said:

 

From the Times. Marsch seems improbable.

 

Southampton eyeing replacement for Ralph Hasenhüttl

Southampton have drawn up a list of potential replacements for Ralph Hasenhüttl who may only have two matches to earn a reprieve.

Southampton are one place off the Premier League relegation zone having lost three consecutive matches and 14 of their last 20 matches in the league stretching back to last season. Among the managers of interest include Jesse Marsch, the Leeds United head coach, and Steve Cooper, who is under pressure at Nottingham Forest following a run of five defeats that has left them bottom of the table. Both are under contract so compensation would need to be paid and it is not clear whether Southampton’s owners would be willing to do that, having tended to appoint coaches who were out of work.

Southampton were booed off after losing 2-1 to Everton on Saturday. Some of their players have lost faith in Hasenhüttl who was given a lifeline by the club this summer, sacking three members of his backroom staff and spending £50 million on six new players. Although they would be expected to lose away to Manchester City on Saturday, a heavy defeat could spell the end of his four-year tenure. If he hangs on, his position would be in serious jeopardy if they lose at home to West Ham United a week on Sunday.

“I’ve been here a long time,” Hasenhüttl, 55, said. “We’ve had tough times and good times and I don’t have a different feeling than every other Premier League manager. You need results and wins and you need to concentrate on them.

“We’ve had better periods that’s for sure and we’re facing Man City [next]. We know what team we’re facing but I know we drew twice against them last season and were one of few teams to take a point off them at the Etihad. That’s what we’re concentrating on, the rest is up to you guys [the media].”

Cooper, 42, gained praise for his work with England Under-19 and Swansea City but there have been tensions at Forest, whom he led to promotion from the Sky Bet Championship last season. Marsch, 48, was appointed by Leeds in March and helped them secure Premier League survival on the final day of the season. The American has three years left on his contract.

Southampton have informed season ticket holders that they will be closing a block of the Itchen North Stand due to “unacceptable behaviour” in the defeat by Everton. A total of 27 missiles were thrown across the segregation line by both home and away supporters. “We’ll also install new CCTV cameras to identify and deal with any further anti-social or unsafe behaviour in these areas,” the club said.

 

From one Red Bull coach to another!

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2 hours ago, stevy777_x said:

Forest showing exactly the commitment they should be showing to Cooper by giving him TIME.

A notion that the majority of our pathetic fanbase know nothing of.

I'm not completely Ralph out but he HAS had nearly four years!!

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1 hour ago, Master Bates said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-11292527/Southampton-consider-Domenico-Tedesco-Manchester-City-assistant-manager-Enzo-Maresca.html

Clearly a well researched article.

Lead photo is of Tedesco’s replacement at Leipzig, Marco Rose. (Since changed).
 

As for the Enzo bloke, no idea, but can see the Joe Shields link. Apart from that though, probably worth avoiding promoting an Assistant from elsewhere into the job (Brian Kidd Mk II).

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10 minutes ago, Badger said:

Clearly a well researched article.

Lead photo is of Tedesco’s replacement at Leipzig, Marco Rose. 
 

As for the Enzo bloke, no idea, but can see the Joe Shields link. Apart from that though, probably worth avoiding promoting an Assistant from elsewhere into the job (Brian Kidd Mk II).

Arteta was assistant manager at city and seems to be doing alright 

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One big difference between Southampton and Arsenal. They could afford to take a risk on a guy with very little managerial experience! They likely weren't going to get relegated. If we do it and it goes wrong it could be down to the Championship we go.

Too big a risk, either go with someone experienced or stick with Ralph.

I don't mind having an obscure guy but there's a difference between obscure and "my only experience with a first team managerial position was a year at parma."

We can't just become Man City's reserve team in every aspect. Madness if true.

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20 minutes ago, Turkish said:

This Enzo fella was manager of Parma for a while. Looks disastrous sacked after 6 months (3 of those months were summer) won 4 out of 14 games in serie B. 

All we need to do is activate the "remember everyone wrote off Jose Mourhino" SaintsWeb clause and off we go he's going to be absolutely brilliant.

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8 hours ago, DT said:

As above, it won't be Steve Cooper by the looks of it...

https://www.nottinghampost.com/sport/football/football-news/nottingham-forest-cooper-contract-live-7570616

 

 

8 hours ago, Wade Garrett said:

Skilful manipulation of the media by Cooper’s management to back Forest in a corner.

 

Or Cooper read  the UI and decided 'stuff that ...':

 

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I couldn't stand watching old man Steptoe in the dugout.

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I wouldn’t want him, I’d find it difficult to get behind such an ugly man

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2 hours ago, Master Bates said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-11292527/Southampton-consider-Domenico-Tedesco-Manchester-City-assistant-manager-Enzo-Maresca.html

Tedesco is on my list as the desperate hope he could be the next Poch, but he isn't at the top. Had Leipzig playing well in his first season, but adopted a 5/3 at the back (shifting from something like a 5-3-2 when defending to a 3-4-1-2 or 3-4-3 in attack) which seems an anathema to some Saints fans. He favours the press (as you'd expect from a RB manager) so suits the playbook, but has been well regarded as a "defensive mastermind" in the past.

Another name I'd mulled over in addition to Tedesco, Thorup and both Bo's was Oliver Glasner, won the Europa League with Eintracht Frankfurt

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Arteta was pep's assistant for about 4 years I think and was a former Arsenal captain, this other guy has only been assistant for a year and his subsequent management stint, albeit a brief one, was poor.  Not sure there is much in the comparison, Arteta clearly has learned a lot over a decent amount of time working with one of the game's best managers. 

Plus whilst he did win with City U23s, we've seen how good the players in that team are, so whilst he'd know the players well not sure it's that hard a task. 

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14 hours ago, Christophenburg said:

Tedesco is on my list as the desperate hope he could be the next Poch, but he isn't at the top. Had Leipzig playing well in his first season, but adopted a 5/3 at the back (shifting from something like a 5-3-2 when defending to a 3-4-1-2 or 3-4-3 in attack) which seems an anathema to some Saints fans. He favours the press (as you'd expect from a RB manager) so suits the playbook, but has been well regarded as a "defensive mastermind" in the past.

Another name I'd mulled over in addition to Tedesco, Thorup and both Bo's was Oliver Glasner, won the Europa League with Eintracht Frankfurt

Do you know why it went wrong for him in his second season?

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Not a personal favourite or pick of mine but just throwing Lee Carsley‘s name out there based off a few things. He has worked Rasmus Ankersen in the past, being promoted to manager of Brentford by the Dane before Dean Smith was ready to take charge. He’s also worked with Joe Shields in the past as Carsley was City’s U18 coach awhile back when they won the youth FA cup and U18 PL North Division. Lastly Carsley was hired by Matt Crocker when he was with the FA to work as coach with the U15-U21 levels. He also has a long history of being able to work with youth and currently is England’s U21 manager. 

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5 hours ago, ecurnew02 said:

Not a personal favourite or pick of mine but just throwing Lee Carsley‘s name out there based off a few things. He has worked Rasmus Ankersen in the past, being promoted to manager of Brentford by the Dane before Dean Smith was ready to take charge. He’s also worked with Joe Shields in the past as Carsley was City’s U18 coach awhile back when they won the youth FA cup and U18 PL North Division. Lastly Carsley was hired by Matt Crocker when he was with the FA to work as coach with the U15-U21 levels. He also has a long history of being able to work with youth and currently is England’s U21 manager. 

That's great that he can work with young players, but can he make our players score goals as the ones we've got haven't been able to do too much of that this season....

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Another morning of checking for news and amazed we still haven’t pulled the plug. New man will clearly need to be also good for getting out of the championship, which moves us more in the Dyche direction I would’ve thought

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I don't see him leaving for a bit longer yet. But the longer they leave it the weaker SR look as a group.

After the result yesterday I kept thinking "Well yeah it was expected, oh well, no sleep lost etc"; but then I looked at the table:
Bournemouth 8th,
Newcastle and their oil money 5th (but they have done it right, bought a strong spine to the team mid-season last season then added a bit of quality to attach to it),
Fulham 9th.
And then I looked at the teams below us, Wolves, Leicester, Palace - all better teams than us and will inevitably move up the table, whereas there's no sign of us doing the same.

The longer he stays the worse-off we'll be. This feels similar to the 2008/09 season where we relied on youth that little bit too much (albeit I get financial circumstances dictated).

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Ralph needs to go now. The incoming manager will face a huge task  and may or may not be able to keep us up but as long as he brings a new culture and there is obvious progress shown towards getting this team back on track I think most would be happy. Relegation will hurt but it will not be a disaster provided any new manager gives the side an identity, some shape and the ability to compete particularly against teams outside the top six. If he keeps us up I would see that as a massive achievement. Should we go down and a new boss at least makes sure we do it fighting rather than the current whimper then not so bad as most of us are realistic enough to think relegation is going to come at some point unless SR suddenly start throwing big money around. The Championship is a good league and no reason we couldn't be among the promotion contenders.

Who SR will opt for if and when Ralph is sacked is going to define our future. They are bound to have a list of names who they feel would fit the role. Maybe they'll decide on a young, up and coming manager and that will be a gamble. If they go down that route perhaps they should consider negotiating a short contract to the end of the season on a realistic salary and the offer of win bonuses. If the new manager does well and we stay up he gets a new contract. If it doesn't work out at least there wouldn't be a huge pay-off. Should he do a reasonable job but we don't quite avoid the drop SR can then decide whether to give him a crack in the Championship and renegotiate his contract accordingly.

Whatever they decide I don't think they can afford to wait any longer because Ralph looks a beaten man who is all out of fresh ideas.

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50 minutes ago, danjosaint said:

Quite telling that when interviewed after game cant remember if sky or motd Ralph said' if im still here' when asked if he'll come out fighting so he obviously knows somethings coming 

He looked a broken man on the MOTD interview. It was actually quite sad to see. 

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31 minutes ago, Turkish said:

He looked a broken man on the MOTD interview. It was actually quite sad to see. 

Agree, it is sad to see and probably best for all if Ralph was relieved of his post and all the stresses that go with it. Sure, it'll hurt his pride to not see the job through but better not to risk the strain he's under now. When the team has performed at their best under him they've been very good and a joy to watch at times with some excellent results. He's done some great work on a very limited budget so plaudits to him for that but I think most agree he needs to go now because things are not improving and it's gone on for too long.

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1 hour ago, Turkish said:

He looked a broken man on the MOTD interview. It was actually quite sad to see. 

At the end of the game Pep and Ralph had a surprisingly long chat . Ralph looked well agitated waving his arms around. I draw no conclusions but it was unusual. Far from the usual “ bad luck old chap “.
 
 

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1 hour ago, saintant said:

Agree, it is sad to see and probably best for all if Ralph was relieved of his post and all the stresses that go with it. Sure, it'll hurt his pride to not see the job through but better not to risk the strain he's under now. When the team has performed at their best under him they've been very good and a joy to watch at times with some excellent results. He's done some great work on a very limited budget so plaudits to him for that but I think most agree he needs to go now because things are not improving and it's gone on for too long.

Well said, exactly right

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29 minutes ago, manji said:

At the end of the game Pep and Ralph had a surprisingly long chat . Ralph looked well agitated waving his arms around. I draw no conclusions but it was unusual. Far from the usual “ bad luck old chap “.
 
 

Once again, lip reading pays off...

Pep: I didn't see Nathan today.

Ralph: We moved him on.

Pep: What?! Your country's Thierry Henry?! And you let him go?!

Ralph: He was having defective independent thoughts. His lack of obedience to automatisms, could have resulted in a shot on goal attempt, leaving us weaker at the back.

Pep: Oooookay... so where do I have to contact to arrange a swap deal for Grealish?

Ralph: He's of no use without blind obedience to failing tactics! It's better he's in Turkey.

Pep: Not the only turkey round here...

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On 08/10/2022 at 11:50, Ex Lion Tamer said:

Do you know why it went wrong for him in his second season?

No, but in his defence he was sacked after only 5 leagues games and they only lost two of them - they drew against Stuttgart and Koln, and beat Wolfsburg. It was a 4-0 defeat to Eintracht Frankfurtand a 4-1 loss to Shakhtar in the Champions League that finished him off (though it may have had more to do with Marco Rose becoming available).

Worth nothing Leipzig haven't exactly rocketed away either after his sacking with Rose in charge - they took 5 points from their opening 5 games under Tedesco, and 7 from 4 without him, losing to Borussia Mönchengladbach (managed by everyone's favourite Daniel Farke) and drawing with Mainz yesterday. They've also lost to Real in the CL since Tedesco left.

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2 hours ago, Christophenburg said:

No, but in his defence he was sacked after only 5 leagues games and they only lost two of them - they drew against Stuttgart and Koln, and beat Wolfsburg. It was a 4-0 defeat to Eintracht Frankfurtand a 4-1 loss to Shakhtar in the Champions League that finished him off (though it may have had more to do with Marco Rose becoming available).

Worth nothing Leipzig haven't exactly rocketed away either after his sacking with Rose in charge - they took 5 points from their opening 5 games under Tedesco, and 7 from 4 without him, losing to Borussia Mönchengladbach (managed by everyone's favourite Daniel Farke) and drawing with Mainz yesterday. They've also lost to Real in the CL since Tedesco left.

On the subject of Tedescvo's departure from RBL I found this article: 

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After the false start to the new season, RB Leipzig parted ways with Domenico Tedesco surprisingly quickly. Now more details are coming to light that reveal that the relationship with RBL boss Oliver Mintzlaff was not the best.

The sporting failures at the start of the new 22/23 season were one thing. According to Sport Bild , there were also several incidents away from what was happening on the pitch that meant that Tedesco and Mintzlaff were no longer on the same wavelength.

The sports magazine reports that Tedesco was hardly included in the Red Bulls' transfer decisions. While the coach wanted a tall destroyer for defensive midfield and a striker with good headers, players Xaver Schlager and Timo Werner were signed who were virtually the exact opposite of Tedesco's ideas.

In addition, Tedesco felt ignored when Mintzlaff granted the Frenchman a few additional days off after Christopher Nkunku's successful contract extension - the coach was only informed of this afterwards. Although such decisions should actually be up to him as a trainer.

Tedesco was also kept small when it came to Ilaix Moriba: Sport Bild reports that the youngster misspoke with his coach during preparation. Tedesco then wanted to suspend Moriba, but was not allowed to because the bosses spoke out against it; they didn't want to jeopardize the market value of the 19-year-old.

Lots of small incidents, but they show that Tedesco's end wasn't as surprising as one might initially think. Spicy: The former Schalke player wanted to wait and see how the cooperation with Mintzlaff and Co. would develop if a bumpy phase was to come before extending his contract. He had not yet had this experience in the course of the brilliant second half of the season, including the cup win.

Source: https://onefootball.com/de/news/enthuellt-die-differenzen-zwischen-tedesco-und-mintzlaff-35836704?language=de

So, a manager not involved in player recruitment as closely as he'd like to be, and undrrmined by a DoF.  He'll feel at home here regarding player recruitment then.

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