The 'New Manager' thread

[saintant]

49 minutes ago, The Cat said:

Flemming Pedersen?

Has got Nordsjaelland to the top of the Danish Superliga with a very young team. Was briefly at Brentford in 2016.

Has a philosophy which would fit at Saints

https://www.itsjustasport.com/articles/2020/1/2/flemmingpedersen

https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/welcome-fc-nordsjaelland-youngest-team-europe-football-revolution-1891156

Very interesting read and he seems to be a switched on guy who has some innovative ideas. I see the second article mentions he had a spell working at Brentford. The only thing is his club's emphasis seems to be very much tailored on bringing players through their accademy into the first team. It might work for them but not so much in the Premier League. Still, one to keep an eye on for sure.

[Lord Duckhunter]

3 hours ago, cloggy saint said:

Let's hope Cooper isn't considered, shows zero ambition whatsoever.

I agree , it’ll be the same as when we picked up a manager sacked by Coventry…. Coventry FFS. 

[Turkish]

2 hours ago, Badger said:

So let’s get this right:

Forest sign lots of players (too many), probably not the managers choice, poor results… but it’s not the managers fault…

To many, Saints buy several players (but not a striker).. possibly not the managers choice , poor results (over a longer period granted) and it is all Ralph’s fault.

Is this Mongboard logic and critical thinking at its best ?

(Okay, accept other factors to consider, but these are two strands of argument  flagged up as central to the case of both Cooper and Ralph)

Supposedly the owners son is in charge of all recruitment at Forest, it's an absolute shit show and Cooper has been handed it and told to get on with it. Signing 20+ is always going to be a disaster especially if made by someone with no clue about football.

Mongboard logic would be to write off a previously very good managerial record because of a few months of odd behaviour at his current club

 

[Chris cooper]

5 hours ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

Agree - can’t say Cooper fills me with any glee whatsoever, but who knows he could be the next best thing.

I fill my mrs with glee regularly and I can confirm being a cooper she says I’m the next best thing ! 

[Convict Colony]

6 hours ago, SuperSAINT said:

Bo Svensson seems the most #Saintsy 

Have all my Bo gifs ready - heres one with his sister and dark haired brother

 

[trousers]

Just now, Chris cooper said:

I fill my mrs with glee regularly

First time I've heard it called that 

[trousers]

Just now, Convict Colony said:

Have all my Bo gifs ready - heres one with his sister and dark haired brother

 

Nice racoon

[Convict Colony]

1 hour ago, The Cat said:

Flemming Pedersen?

Has got Nordsjaelland to the top of the Danish Superliga with a very young team. Was briefly at Brentford in 2016.

Has a philosophy which would fit at Saints

https://www.itsjustasport.com/articles/2020/1/2/flemmingpedersen

https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/welcome-fc-nordsjaelland-youngest-team-europe-football-revolution-1891156

Really like this 

"we have built our style of play from ‘to win a game we need to score’. Many club teams build a style of play from how to defend. From our opinion, that’s the wrong way to do it. How do we want to score? We know 85% of all goals are being score in the danger zone. We also know that the development of the game is when you get closer and closer to the goal, you create more and more open chances. So what should we do to create these chances? Where is our assist areas? How can we get into these assist areas and all of this. 

So we just reduce the complexity of the game and not choosing to train to all kinds of different situations in training but have selected the most important situations to train. So we make the game simple for our players. And then we build on more complexity again. So it has a lot to do about this decision making process. Playing football is a constant decision making process. The more options you have in each situation, the longer your decision making will take. So we decrease the players’ options so they can make quicker and better decisions.""

[Wurzel]

58 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

Really like this 

"we have built our style of play from ‘to win a game we need to score’. Many club teams build a style of play from how to defend. From our opinion, that’s the wrong way to do it. How do we want to score? We know 85% of all goals are being score in the danger zone. We also know that the development of the game is when you get closer and closer to the goal, you create more and more open chances. So what should we do to create these chances? Where is our assist areas? How can we get into these assist areas and all of this. 

So we just reduce the complexity of the game and not choosing to train to all kinds of different situations in training but have selected the most important situations to train. So we make the game simple for our players. And then we build on more complexity again. So it has a lot to do about this decision making process. Playing football is a constant decision making process. The more options you have in each situation, the longer your decision making will take. So we decrease the players’ options so they can make quicker and better decisions.""

In principal I love that outlook, but the downside is it doesn't matter how good at those situations you become, unless you're constantly evolving the fewer situations you train for the more predictable you get (probably why our superb-for-a-while pressing game started going wrong) and easy for the opposition to nullify and/or overcome.  .

[Chris cooper]

1 hour ago, trousers said:

First time I've heard it called that 

I’s there a bill Murray gif for that trousers ? 

[pimpin4rizeal]

Let’s get hoddle back 😀

[Turkish]

4 hours ago, Convict Colony said:

Really like this 

"we have built our style of play from ‘to win a game we need to score’. Many club teams build a style of play from how to defend. From our opinion, that’s the wrong way to do it. How do we want to score? We know 85% of all goals are being score in the danger zone. We also know that the development of the game is when you get closer and closer to the goal, you create more and more open chances. So what should we do to create these chances? Where is our assist areas? How can we get into these assist areas and all of this. 

So we just reduce the complexity of the game and not choosing to train to all kinds of different situations in training but have selected the most important situations to train. So we make the game simple for our players. And then we build on more complexity again. So it has a lot to do about this decision making process. Playing football is a constant decision making process. The more options you have in each situation, the longer your decision making will take. So we decrease the players’ options so they can make quicker and better decisions.""

Percentage football. The more time the ball gets into the opposition area the more chance there is to score. 
 

get it in the mixer!

Get it foooooooorrwwwwwaaaaaaard!!!!

our fans will love it 

[Crab Lungs]

5 hours ago, Turkish said:

Supposedly the owners son is in charge of all recruitment at Forest, it's an absolute shit show and Cooper has been handed it and told to get on with it. Signing 20+ is always going to be a disaster especially if made by someone with no clue about football.

Mongboard logic would be to write off a previously very good managerial record because of a few months of odd behaviour at his current club

 

Mongboard in full swing.

 

cooper has done an outstanding job. Not particularly exciting appointment if we go that route but he cannot be written off for the absolutely shambolic transfer policy of those above. 

Edited 6 October, 2022 by Crab Lungs

[Crab Lungs]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

Percentage football. The more time the ball gets into the opposition area the more chance there is to score. 
 

get it in the mixer!

Get it foooooooorrwwwwwaaaaaaard!!!!

our fans will love it 

God. Horrible to read, but true.

[Turkish]

16 minutes ago, Crab Lungs said:

Mongboard in full swing.

 

cooper has done an outstanding job. Not particularly exciting appointment if we go that route but he cannot be written off for the absolutely shambolic transfer policy of those above. 

3 months ago I expect most would have been very pleased if he’d replaced Ralph. Like you say not the most exciting appointment but a great CV and fits the sort of manager we would be looking for an can attract . This talk of Pochetino is completely ridiculous 

[Wade Garrett]

6 hours ago, Convict Colony said:

Really like this 

"we have built our style of play from ‘to win a game we need to score’. Many club teams build a style of play from how to defend. From our opinion, that’s the wrong way to do it. How do we want to score? We know 85% of all goals are being score in the danger zone. We also know that the development of the game is when you get closer and closer to the goal, you create more and more open chances. So what should we do to create these chances? Where is our assist areas? How can we get into these assist areas and all of this. 

So we just reduce the complexity of the game and not choosing to train to all kinds of different situations in training but have selected the most important situations to train. So we make the game simple for our players. And then we build on more complexity again. So it has a lot to do about this decision making process. Playing football is a constant decision making process. The more options you have in each situation, the longer your decision making will take. So we decrease the players’ options so they can make quicker and better decisions.""

Was Allardyce his mentor?

[saint lard]

Whatever your thoughts on Cooper he’s always impressed. 
only just now is he under real scrutiny,but that must be down to the shambolic scatter gun approach by the higher echelons of Forest. 
his  record with the England nippers was ruddy marvellous. 
If we want someone to get the best out of our youthful set up…it’s him….however uninspiring it may seem. 
 

On 13 October 2014, Cooper was appointed as manager of the England national under-16 team.^[10]The following year, he took charge of the under-17s, coaching players such as Jadon Sancho, Phil Fodenand Callum Hudson-Odoi.^[15] Cooper led his side to the final of the 2017 UEFA European U17 Championship, where they lost to Spain 4–1 on penalties following a 2–2 draw.^[17] Cooper's U17s then won the 2017 FIFA U17 World Cup in October 2017, beating Brazil 3–1 in the semi-final and Spain 5–2 in the final.^[18][19]

The following year, Cooper's side reached the semi-finals of the 2018 UEFA European U17 Championship, where they lost to Netherlands on penalties.^[20] They did not qualify for the quarter-finals of the 2019 UEFA European U17 Championship, despite beating Sweden 3–1 in their final group game.^[21] During his time at England, Cooper oversaw a specialised coaching model which included in-possession and out-of-possession coaches.^[22] He was also responsible for the coaching programme and curriculum for the under-15s.^[22] On training young players, Cooper said, "Sometimes I will talk and tell the players my thoughts, but most of the time I facilitate... that's how players learn, as a modern player. The days are gone, for me, where everything is the coach telling the player, that's finished."^[22]

[STEVEADAMS]

19 hours ago, Piran said:

What's wrong with Pep Guardiola? Nobody seems to be mentioning him...

Wait till tomorrow 😂

[benali-shorts]

 

From the Times. Marsch seems improbable.

 

Southampton eyeing replacement for Ralph Hasenhüttl

Southampton have drawn up a list of potential replacements for Ralph Hasenhüttl who may only have two matches to earn a reprieve.

Southampton are one place off the Premier League relegation zone having lost three consecutive matches and 14 of their last 20 matches in the league stretching back to last season. Among the managers of interest include Jesse Marsch, the Leeds United head coach, and Steve Cooper, who is under pressure at Nottingham Forest following a run of five defeats that has left them bottom of the table. Both are under contract so compensation would need to be paid and it is not clear whether Southampton’s owners would be willing to do that, having tended to appoint coaches who were out of work.

Southampton were booed off after losing 2-1 to Everton on Saturday. Some of their players have lost faith in Hasenhüttl who was given a lifeline by the club this summer, sacking three members of his backroom staff and spending £50 million on six new players. Although they would be expected to lose away to Manchester City on Saturday, a heavy defeat could spell the end of his four-year tenure. If he hangs on, his position would be in serious jeopardy if they lose at home to West Ham United a week on Sunday.

“I’ve been here a long time,” Hasenhüttl, 55, said. “We’ve had tough times and good times and I don’t have a different feeling than every other Premier League manager. You need results and wins and you need to concentrate on them.

“We’ve had better periods that’s for sure and we’re facing Man City [next]. We know what team we’re facing but I know we drew twice against them last season and were one of few teams to take a point off them at the Etihad. That’s what we’re concentrating on, the rest is up to you guys [the media].”

Cooper, 42, gained praise for his work with England Under-19 and Swansea City but there have been tensions at Forest, whom he led to promotion from the Sky Bet Championship last season. Marsch, 48, was appointed by Leeds in March and helped them secure Premier League survival on the final day of the season. The American has three years left on his contract.

Southampton have informed season ticket holders that they will be closing a block of the Itchen North Stand due to “unacceptable behaviour” in the defeat by Everton. A total of 27 missiles were thrown across the segregation line by both home and away supporters. “We’ll also install new CCTV cameras to identify and deal with any further anti-social or unsafe behaviour in these areas,” the club said.

 

[DT]

Christ - please not Marsch. That would be the end of days.

[DT]

Just now, DT said:

Christ - please not Marsch. That would be the end of days.

 

32 minutes ago, benali-shorts said:

 

From the Times. Marsch seems improbable.

 

Southampton eyeing replacement for Ralph Hasenhüttl

Southampton have drawn up a list of potential replacements for Ralph Hasenhüttl who may only have two matches to earn a reprieve.

Southampton are one place off the Premier League relegation zone having lost three consecutive matches and 14 of their last 20 matches in the league stretching back to last season. Among the managers of interest include Jesse Marsch, the Leeds United head coach, and Steve Cooper, who is under pressure at Nottingham Forest following a run of five defeats that has left them bottom of the table. Both are under contract so compensation would need to be paid and it is not clear whether Southampton’s owners would be willing to do that, having tended to appoint coaches who were out of work.

Southampton were booed off after losing 2-1 to Everton on Saturday. Some of their players have lost faith in Hasenhüttl who was given a lifeline by the club this summer, sacking three members of his backroom staff and spending £50 million on six new players. Although they would be expected to lose away to Manchester City on Saturday, a heavy defeat could spell the end of his four-year tenure. If he hangs on, his position would be in serious jeopardy if they lose at home to West Ham United a week on Sunday.

“I’ve been here a long time,” Hasenhüttl, 55, said. “We’ve had tough times and good times and I don’t have a different feeling than every other Premier League manager. You need results and wins and you need to concentrate on them.

“We’ve had better periods that’s for sure and we’re facing Man City [next]. We know what team we’re facing but I know we drew twice against them last season and were one of few teams to take a point off them at the Etihad. That’s what we’re concentrating on, the rest is up to you guys [the media].”

Cooper, 42, gained praise for his work with England Under-19 and Swansea City but there have been tensions at Forest, whom he led to promotion from the Sky Bet Championship last season. Marsch, 48, was appointed by Leeds in March and helped them secure Premier League survival on the final day of the season. The American has three years left on his contract.

Southampton have informed season ticket holders that they will be closing a block of the Itchen North Stand due to “unacceptable behaviour” in the defeat by Everton. A total of 27 missiles were thrown across the segregation line by both home and away supporters. “We’ll also install new CCTV cameras to identify and deal with any further anti-social or unsafe behaviour in these areas,” the club said.

 

also: two matches to save him? WTF?

[skintsaint]

Marsch seems a weird link and can't see it. Cooper could have legs especially from his time with the English FA and working with the youth teams.

Still think it will be Frank. I know people say why leave Brentford, well we are underperforming and they are performing well and only 3 points ahead of us. The link with Ankersen could be key too.

[Christophenburg]

3 minutes ago, skintsaint said:

Marsch seems a weird link and can't see it. Cooper could have legs especially from his time with the English FA and working with the youth teams.

Still think it will be Frank. I know people say why leave Brentford, well we are underperforming and they are performing well and only 3 points ahead of us. The link with Ankersen could be key too.

Really? Been at Leipzig and Salzburg - seems a very Saints-y link to me, Leeds or no Leeds.

On 05/10/2022 at 22:52, Badger said:

Would be a bit arse about face to bring in a manager to suit the existing backroom team. Should be the other way round. Although does seem possibly ‘Saintsy’.

I wouldn't have thought they'd bring Thorup here because we have Selles, but that Thorup would be attractive for multiple reasons including that he's already familiar with elements of our coaching team. Thorup, incidentally, was the manager of Midtjylland when they knocked us out the Europa League (incidentally pressing high and forcing an error from Rodriguez for Rasmussen's goal in the second leg)

[skintsaint]

Just now, Christophenburg said:

Really? Been at Leipzig and Salzburg - seems a very Saints-y link to me, Leeds or no Leeds.

True, didnt think of that.

[tajjuk]

Marsch seems odd because he's only been at Leeds like 9-10 months. I'd presume he was someone on our list previously but now being at Leeds would rule him out I reckon. 

[FarehamSaintJames]

Well let’s add a tad of realism shall we? We are not in for Jesse Marsch. Again why would he leave a bigger club to come here having been there for under half a year?

As for Steve Cooper - jury’s out. In a sense I feel for him as Forest’s DOF or board seem to be buying all the mercenary transfer that he likely didn’t want. Equally I don’t want to watch us play 3-4-3.

I like him, but I think that move is almost dependant on his sacking from Forest (and that’s if he gets sacked).

If Forest had no intention of sacking him I think we’d steer clear to avoid compensation fees.

Deep down I don’t think we’ll be going for either of those managers and will go for someone largely unknown or unexpected. Let’s just hope it’s down the Pochettino route rather than the Pellegrino route. 😂

[DT]

There's a bunch of clubs waiting for others to sack their managers first, thereby avoiding compensation IMO. And I think we are one of them re: Forest

[saintwbu]

We don’t yet know if SR are as reluctant to pay compensation to another club as we have been in the past. They may have a very clear idea in mind of who they need for the model to be successful. This whole episode will be an interesting insight into our future.

[DT]

PS Jesse Marsch is Ted Lasso

[santolijador]

Well it won't be Cooper...
 

 

[West end Saints]

1 hour ago, skintsaint said:

Marsch seems a weird link and can't see it. Cooper could have legs especially from his time with the English FA and working with the youth teams.

Still think it will be Frank. I know people say why leave Brentford, well we are underperforming and they are performing well and only 3 points ahead of us. The link with Ankersen could be key too.

I've always thought Frank likely since our new owners arrived 

[Turkish]

Well Steve Cooper has just signed a new deal at Forest. Absolute basket case of a club, they withdrew the offer on Wednesday 🤦‍♂️

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

Well let’s add a tad of realism shall we? We are not in for Jesse Marsch. Again why would he leave a bigger club to come here having been there for under half a year?

As for Steve Cooper - jury’s out. In a sense I feel for him as Forest’s DOF or board seem to be buying all the mercenary transfer that he likely didn’t want. Equally I don’t want to watch us play 3-4-3.

I like him, but I think that move is almost dependant on his sacking from Forest (and that’s if he gets sacked).

If Forest had no intention of sacking him I think we’d steer clear to avoid compensation fees.

Deep down I don’t think we’ll be going for either of those managers and will go for someone largely unknown or unexpected. Let’s just hope it’s down the Pochettino route rather than the Pellegrino route. 😂

Could you imagine having to endure that whiney yank accent after every game we well 

[DT]

As above, it won't be Steve Cooper by the looks of it...

https://www.nottinghampost.com/sport/football/football-news/nottingham-forest-cooper-contract-live-7570616

 

[Doctoroncall]

8 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Well Steve Cooper has just signed a new deal at Forest. Absolute basket case of a club, they withdrew the offer on Wednesday 🤦‍♂️

Maybe it wasn’t exactly withdrawn but some  clauses added/changed? Otherwise it doesn’t make sense for it to reach a stage where the contract is withdrawn and less than 48hrs, it’s agreed and signed. 

[Wade Garrett]

Skilful manipulation of the media by Cooper’s management to back Forest in a corner.

Paper talk that probably had little substance.

 

[FarehamSaintJames]

Fair enough Forest, making the commitment to Steve Cooper. Hefty compensation fee should they change their mind.

Kills off the Rafa rumours straight away.

[Saint_lambden]

All logic points to Frank. He may not want to leave Brentford for us right now, but we'd be foolish not to try. 

[Bad Wolf]

Good move from Forest. They'd be batsh1t crazy to get rid of him. How would Cooper be showing no ambition? He's done remarkably well at Forest and brilliant at Swansea. Let's be honest, if his name was Stevanovic Cooprinho, the reaction to him potentially coming in would be very different.

[DT]

13 minutes ago, Saint_lambden said:

All logic points to Frank. He may not want to leave Brentford for us right now, but we'd be foolish not to try. 

He'll be negotiating a new contract there as we speak

[FarehamSaintJames]

Steve Cooper has done very well with the resources at hand. Very similar to Graham Potter in that regard - maybe a few years behind in comparison.

What will let him down at Forest is their transfer policy. Some people will reflect that on to him and his reputation but those that know a bit more about his career will know it’s on the club, not the manager.

Forest strike me as the kind of club that will sack him if their mercenaries get relegated.

[FarehamSaintJames]

I maintain the opinion that Thomas Franks will not be coming here.

[DT]

Alex Crook on Talksport said it was inevitable that there will be bumps in the road when building a young team. 'I'm told the mood in the dressing room is quite upbeat'

[DT]

The way I see it is that if it is another 9-0 he will go.

probably true for 5,6,7 and 8

4 and below and he gets another chance

If we win he will be made a Saint

[beatlesaint]

4 minutes ago, DT said:

Alex Crook on Talksport said it was inevitable that there will be bumps in the road when building a young team. 'I'm told the mood in the dressing room is quite upbeat, according to Mick Channon, the club's promising 18 yr old striker '

amended

[stevy777_x]

Forest showing exactly the commitment they should be showing to Cooper by giving him TIME.

A notion that the majority of our pathetic fanbase know nothing of.

[Bob76]

15 minutes ago, stevy777_x said:

Forest showing exactly the commitment they should be showing to Cooper by giving him TIME.

A notion that the majority of our pathetic fanbase know nothing of.

He's had four years!!!!

And most of that well supported by the fans.

[Barsiem]

21 minutes ago, stevy777_x said:

Forest showing exactly the commitment they should be showing to Cooper by giving him TIME.

A notion that the majority of our pathetic fanbase know nothing of.

Fcuking hell... You haven't thought this argument through have you.  Ralph is the third longest serving manager currently employed in the PL

[niceandfriendly]

35 minutes ago, stevy777_x said:

Forest showing exactly the commitment they should be showing to Cooper by giving him TIME.

A notion that the majority of our pathetic fanbase know nothing of.

I'm not a huge Ralph out chap (not massively Ralph in either) but he's had what 4 years? That's quite a bit of TIIIIMMMMEEEE.

Edited 7 October, 2022 by niceandfriendly

[saint in Den Haag]

not followed this thread from the beginning, so apologies if this link has already been shared.

i bookmarked this article back in May just in case Saints ended up needing a manager.. Some of these guys may have already moved on. there is a section on Bo Svensson in there who was mentioned in this thread.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-10739725/Europes-coaches-clubs-like-Strasbourg-Torino-Valencia-thrive-Prem.html