The 'New Manager' thread

[stevy777_x]

Just from someone who saw him speak for 1st time in interview, his body language is weird, shrugging his shoulders for no reason. 
Does not look particularly inspiring 

 

 

[OttawaSaint]

28 minutes ago, skintsaint said:

Thought that was Burley allegedly ?

Both I think. Both are/were piss heads!

[Miltonaggro]

3 hours ago, OttawaSaint said:

Both I think. Both are/were piss heads!

About time we modernised and got into the twenty-first century with a manager on speed.

[skintsaint]

28 minutes ago, Miltonaggro said:

About time we modernised and got into the twenty-first century with a manager on speed.

Thought it was all about the meth these days?

[beatlesaint]

So basically, what I take from that interview is it’ll be very much down to the players. If they are prepared to “die” for him like the Luton lads we might stand a chance but if they don’t buy into it, like the Stoke players, we are screwed ! 

Hard work, bodies on the line rather than any tactical genius. Not sure that’s enough for the Premier League.

[FarehamSaintJames]

 

[FarehamSaintJames]

The above interview didn’t strike me as particularly inspiring.

That said I thought he said the right things, “they’re just talks at this point”, “if it’s right for me”, “if it’s right for them”, etc.

Taking everything with a pinch of salt.

[kenneth_kenobi]

Gallardo, Poch or even Gerrard for me - at least Gerrard would give us a high profile and attract players

[nta786]

My initial thoughts on Jones are that it’s disappointing if we get him in.
Normally, English managers get their Prem opportunities off the back of promotion from the Championship or some sustained success abroad (rarer but thinking Potter here), or if they were a big name they’ll find opportunities easier e.g. Gerrard or Lampard

Jones doesn’t really fit any of those above categories. I’m not saying it needs to however you would think the next step in Jone’s career would be a WBA, Burnley, Norwich, Sheffield United etc etc 

However for a club 18th in the PL to take on that sort of risk, having managed 10 years in the Premier League is just worrying.
 

By our actions and words we are firmly placing ourselves as a lower bottom half Prem team and not one to compete with the likes of Villa, Leicester, WHU etc etc

It’s a high risk approach, but at best I see a medium reward (we’re not getting Europe).

I can understand buying young players because player trading is a clear strategy we make money from, but with managers at best we’ll only get some compensation?! 

Anyways, should he come in I’ll support him but I fear the worst.

 

[Saint Garrett]

5 hours ago, stevy777_x said:

Just from someone who saw him speak for 1st time in interview, his body language is weird, shrugging his shoulders for no reason. 
Does not look particularly inspiring 

 

 

Do you not think it's because he finds himself in a tricky situation. Similar to when we signed Adkins, he didn't necessarily want to leave, and very happy with his current job, but knows it's the best thing for his career. Also has to watch what he says as he's now got more spotlight on him than he probably ever has.

[Miltonaggro]

1 hour ago, skintsaint said:

Thought it was all about the meth these days?

Might be, I’m not up to speed on such things these days.

[egg]

24 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said:

Do you not think it's because he finds himself in a tricky situation. Similar to when we signed Adkins, he didn't necessarily want to leave, and very happy with his current job, but knows it's the best thing for his career. Also has to watch what he says as he's now got more spotlight on him than he probably ever has.

That's my take on it. It's obvious that the guy is committed to them, and he looked uncomfortable talking about his career to the media. I don't have any issue with that. 

[Dman]

29 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said:

Do you not think it's because he finds himself in a tricky situation. Similar to when we signed Adkins, he didn't necessarily want to leave, and very happy with his current job, but knows it's the best thing for his career. Also has to watch what he says as he's now got more spotlight on him than he probably ever has.

I have concerns about his appointment, but I think stevy sums up exactly why he won’t get anywhere near as grace / respect from the fans as Ralph did. Much like Puel didn’t. 

[Sheaf Saint]

25 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said:

Do you not think it's because he finds himself in a tricky situation. Similar to when we signed Adkins, he didn't necessarily want to leave, and very happy with his current job, but knows it's the best thing for his career. Also has to watch what he says as he's now got more spotlight on him than he probably ever has.

Yeah that was my take on it. He was choosing his words carefully because nothing has been confirmed yet, so the shoulder shrugging thing was just a way of showing that he doesn't know what's happening and doesn't want to commit to saying anything that might come back and bite him if he ends up staying there. Nothing to be concerned about IMO.

He's obviously ambitious, saying he wants to manage in the PL either with Luton or with another club, which is a good sign IMO because he's obviously very driven. I just think he was being cautious not to be disrespectful to his current employers, and really there is nothing to read into here because he was put on the spot by the interviewer and obviously tried hard not to say anything that could be misconstrued either by either set of fans.

[badgerx16]

Will the new manager have to use Ralph's Playbook ?

[notnowcato]

57 minutes ago, beatlesaint said:

So basically, what I take from that interview is it’ll be very much down to the players. If they are prepared to “die” for him like the Luton lads we might stand a chance but if they don’t buy into it, like the Stoke players, we are screwed ! 

Hard work, bodies on the line rather than any tactical genius. Not sure that’s enough for the Premier League.

Not sure why you’ve created a segregation between tactics and working hard.
It’s the same at every club in the country; you can set the team up in the best possible way but if they don’t perform, part of which is working hard, then the team will fail. 
Kevin de Bruyne, the best midfielder of the generation busted his balls at the weekend to secure 3 points for his 10 man team. 

[Mr X]

So basically a guy with four years premier League experience can't get us winning games but a lower league manager with no premier League experience can? 

[kenneth_kenobi]

Beale from QPR would be alot better - was the brains behind Gerrard's success at Rangers and early on at Villa before he left for QPR, who are now going well.

 

[Saint Troy]

Just now, kenneth_kenobi said:

Beale from QPR would be alot better - was the brains behind Gerrard's success at Rangers and early on at Villa before he left for QPR, who are now going well.

 

didnt he turn down Wolves about a week ago as he felt it was too soon for him and wanted to do a job there. I know a weeks a long time in football but we may have approached and got the same answer. Cant see why youd turn down wolves then jump for saints sadly

[Turkish]

Just listened to the Jake Humphries podcast with Eddie Howe. Comes across brilliantly, such a shame we never got him, would have been perfect for us. Think he's above our level now whatever happens in the future at Newcastle.

[Mr X]

9 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Just listened to the Jake Humphries podcast with Eddie Howe. Comes across brilliantly, such a shame we never got him, would have been perfect for us. Think he's above our level now whatever happens in the future at Newcastle.

He was there for the taking too... Why the hell didn't the club get rid of Ralph at the end of last season that would have allowed us to get someone decent and give them a full pre season!

[DT]

1 hour ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

The above interview didn’t strike me as particularly inspiring.

That said I thought he said the right things, “they’re just talks at this point”, “if it’s right for me”, “if it’s right for them”, etc.

Taking everything with a pinch of salt.

The one thing I thought very noticeable was how much he gets behind the players. Supports them, praises them, backs them up, refuses to take credit himself, which I think is laudable and might be one of the factors behind his getting good team spirit, something we lack. Whether or not he can inspire some of the more prima donnaish end of the players we have is another matter, but I suspect he is a good man manager at a different end of the spectrum to his (probable) predecessor. So those are at least positive elements. Also, as you say, a tricky interview for him to give at this moment.

[Mr X]

Just now, DT said:

The one thing I thought very noticeable was how much he gets behind the players. Supports them, praises them, backs them up, refuses to take credit himself, which I think is laudable and might be one of the factors behind his getting good team spirit, something we lack. Whether or not he can inspire some of the more prima donnaish end of the players we have is another matter, but I suspect he is a good man manager at a different end of the spectrum to his (probable) predecessor. So those are at least positive elements. Also, as you say, a tricky interview for him to give at this moment.

I can't see him refraining from bringing god to the table in team talks as most Christians are like vegans they tell you in the first 30 seconds.... That said we were originally a church team & we are called the saints so maybe a perfect match! 😂

[Master Bates]

Has he signed yet!

[baggytrousers]

27 minutes ago, Mr X said:

So basically a guy with four years premier League experience can't get us winning games but a lower league manager with no premier League experience can? 

Surely quality matters more than experience.  Mourinho got worse the more experience he got. Probably the same was true of Wenger.   Potter didn’t have any Premier League experience when he went to Brighton but did OK,  etc, etc.

 

[Lord Duckhunter]

10 hours ago, Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd said:

I really don't like him, and that's coming from someone who was born in Luton and held a season ticket there in the past. For a start, he's Welsh, which is never good in my book. 😉

FFS Saints, please DO NOT employ muppet.

What sort of noddy holds a season ticket at another club, especially when it’s not that far away from the team you “support”. Your opinion should therefore be placed in the pony bag. 

[Mr X]

17 minutes ago, baggytrousers said:

Surely quality matters more than experience.  Mourinho got worse the more experience he got. Probably the same was true of Wenger.   Potter didn’t have any Premier League experience when he went to Brighton but did OK,  etc, etc.

 

Would you say Nathan Jones has quality then? 

[jayrivers]

I think he deserves a fair chance and the fan base should get fully behind him. There are obviously no promises it will work out, but the other names I've seen banded around are from smaller European leagues etc. They don't have prem experience either. At least he's managed in the English leagues and done a fantastic job with Luton. He plays a style now that suits his players and by all accounts is adaptable in how he plays, so let's see how he sets us up before we judge his football too much. 

 

By all accounts he's an excellent man manager as well which is something we are clearly missing. Just having the team organised and giving 100% will automatically give us a boost and improved performances. 

 

Selles is staying by the looks of it, and the players seem to respect him and he doesn't have any top flight managerial experience... As others have said if he turns up, isn't a twat, runs good sessions and seems switched on then the players will buy into it.

 

Of course he might not work out, but that doesn't mean there isn't logic behind the appointment and he deserves our full backing imo. The goal now this season is to stay up and try and have something to build upon next season.

 

If we add a striker in Jan, then we have a really good chance 

 

Would he have been my choice, no. But that doesn't mean it won't work. Look at Gerrard at villa. A big name manager and the players didn't respect him one bit, so anyone suggesting Gerrard needs to have a word with themselves...

Edited 9 November, 2022 by jayrivers

[Eric The Red]

3 minutes ago, jayrivers said:

I think he deserves a fair chance and the fan base should get fully behind him. There are obviously no promises it will work out, but the other names I've seen banded around are from smaller European leagues etc. They don't have prem experience either. At least he's managed in the English leagues and done a fantastic job with Luton. He plays a style now that suits his players and by all accounts is adaptable in how he plays, so let's see how he sets us up before we judge his football too much. 

 

By all accounts he's an excellent man manager as well which is something we are clearly missing. Just having the team organised and giving 100% will automatically give us a boost and improved performances. 

 

Selles is staying by the looks of it, and the players seem to respect him and he doesn't have any top flight managerial experience... As others have said if he turns up, isn't a twat, runs good sessions and seems switched on then the players will buy into it.

 

Of course he might not work out, but that doesn't mean there isn't logic behind the appointment and he deserves our full backing imo. The goal now this season is to stay up and try and have something to build upon next season.

 

If we add a striker in Jan, then we have a really good chance 

 

Would he have been my choice, no. But that doesn't mean it won't work. Look at Gerrard at villa. A big name manager and the players didn't respect him one bit, so anyone suggesting Gerrard needs to have a word with themselves...

I think jayrivers has got it just about spot on

[Saint_lambden]

Underwhelmed but needs to be given a chance. Given that one of the biggest problems with RH appears to have been his poor man management, we certainly seem to have got an improvement in that department. 

A month+ on the training ground with the players implementing changes needs to be complemented by a striker signing in January before the more favourable run of games between Boxing Day and end of March otherwise we're in trouble regardless. 

[Convict Colony]

9 hours ago, leeham_69 said:

In one of these articles it says this:

"

The world got a glimpse of Luton’s dogged determination and tremendous tenacity in their recent FA Cup bout against the European champions Chelsea. Despite falling to a late Romelu Lukaku strike, the Hatters fought tooth and nail for every ball, going toe-to-toe with the English giants and showing their quality as well as their tactical discipline."

Did anyone watch this game? Was there anything in it that could offer us a tiny sliver of optimism? I get that they just lost to Stoke but every team loses - if he has the ability to get a Championship team playing well against Chelsea may be there is just something positive about him being overlooked?

 

 

I think we also need some perspective.

He was the driving force that got luton promoted from L2 to Championship, he won manager of the year in the championship last year building a team that lost in the playoffs on a budget smaller than most L1 teams.

We are shit and our players who are meant to score are shit.

To a lot of managers we are like a supermodel with herpes - nice to be with at but your gonna take some longterm pain as part of it.

 

[Convict Colony]

8 hours ago, stevy777_x said:

Just from someone who saw him speak for 1st time in interview, his body language is weird, shrugging his shoulders for no reason. 
Does not look particularly inspiring 

 

 

Raising the shoulders is a submissive gesture that implies some sort of apology. We shrug our shoulders when we want to communicate the message, ‘Sorry, I can’t do anything about it’ or ‘Sorry, I don’t know’ and when done along with a slight shaking of the head, ‘Sorry, I don’t understand what you’re saying’.

[Kermitzasaint]

1 hour ago, Saint Troy said:

didnt he turn down Wolves about a week ago as he felt it was too soon for him and wanted to do a job there. I know a weeks a long time in football but we may have approached and got the same answer. Cant see why youd turn down wolves then jump for saints sadly

Lower expectations maybe?

[Sheaf Saint]

48 minutes ago, Mr X said:

Would you say Nathan Jones has quality then? 

 I think he has qualities, which RA and the board obviously admire.

As to having quality - in the sense you are asking - that remains to be seen.

[Master Bates]

35 minutes ago, Kermitzasaint said:

Lower expectations maybe?

But Lowe's not here.

[FarehamSaintJames]

1 hour ago, DT said:

The one thing I thought very noticeable was how much he gets behind the players. Supports them, praises them, backs them up, refuses to take credit himself, which I think is laudable and might be one of the factors behind his getting good team spirit, something we lack. Whether or not he can inspire some of the more prima donnaish end of the players we have is another matter, but I suspect he is a good man manager at a different end of the spectrum to his (probable) predecessor. So those are at least positive elements. Also, as you say, a tricky interview for him to give at this moment.

I must say I completely agree.
I mean the things we’ve heard the past few days regarding Ralph taking the praise but dishing it on others when it’s not so positive - we can take that at a pinch of salt for the time being.

I think the squad lacks a huge amount of leadership and basic man-management.

I think I said on another thread Eddie Howe might’ve had a bit of money to spend, but ultimately their fortunes changed with his arrival, and he’s always been a good man-manager. The players will give their all and play for him.

Like you say, whether he can get that out of some of the “bigger players” remains to be seen.

The big name manager coming in I think would’ve shaken a few players up. 

It’ll be interesting to see the response from the players under Selles tonight. I don’t think many came out and wished Ralph well 🤷🏻‍♂️

[pimpin4rizeal]

The only thing giving me a small piece of hope is that it’s supposed to be Ankersson behind this move for Jones.Rasmus seems a very clever switched on guy so if this is his man he must really see something in him.,

that said we really don’t need to be trying to be clever and unearthing some diamond in the rough here.. there’s no reason we couldn’t get a gaillardo or knutsen type that would come here with a lot more pedigree 

[baggytrousers]

1 hour ago, Mr X said:

Would you say Nathan Jones has quality then? 

No idea.  Just don’t agree with the emphasis a lot of people put on experience.      

Good managers come and go and there’s been plenty of cases where fresh ideas, enthusiasm and hard work have trumped experience.  
I happen to think that Poch was a better manager for us than Mark Hughes or Harry Redknap for example.

[Saint86]

I don't think anyone can argue that Jones is one of the better up and coming managers in the English game - has similarities to Howe in terms of his experience pre prem. The question is, how good is Jones right now?

Howe obviously took Bournemouth all the way to the premier league, but still ultimately fell short with their eventual relegation - and that was despite very wealthy backers and it being his squad and players.

Jones will come in - and he's inheriting a very average (at best) set of attacking mids and strikers (for the prem), and a very young squad - all low on confidence. Against that, we are a relatively experienced premier league side (compared to Howe's Bournemouth - or Say Dyche's early burnley sides) and do have a smattering of very good players in ABK, Lavia, JWP, Salisu, KWP etc.

I voted unsure for Jones - on the basis that there is no way to know how he'll do at this level for the first time.

And ultimately, it won't matter how good Jones is without serious additions in January. That was the same for Ralph as well imo. Truthfully Ralph was failed by two boards that never came close to replacing ings - and he still had us 13th for xG this season - against that we're 18th for goals scored - which says it all. We're also joint 15th for goals conceded this season - not great by any means - but we've played all the top sides,  had bad injuries, and suffered from a very weak attack / carry limited threat. Ralph had had to repeatedly compromise and juggle a limited squad, and its probably true that the players got tired of it. In a lot of ways, Ralph was probably here at a bad time, as with backing and his origninal attacking press, we'd have been decent. As it was, he's battled to keep us up and competitive whilst being failed by two boards and the whole thing has become jaded, and if the players were no longer listening, then regrettably his time had run out.

Either way that's all done now, and if you view Jones as an up and coming manager - he can only be seen as a gamble at this point in time - Can he come in and pick up this young squad and adapt to the level? Will he be any better than Hassenhuttle?  Not sure at all. But the saving grace is that players will be back from injuries, he'll have time to work with them, and we surely are going to buy a quality attacker. Phrased another way - Jones needs to be very good to come in and succeed here. Its a bit of a shitstorm lets be honest.

Bottom line - the fault now can only lie with the board and the players - everyone else is gone.

Edited 9 November, 2022 by Saint86

[FarehamSaintJames]

I think the board are trying to penny pinch a little.

Bringing in a “big-name” manager costs, and with that comes the additional cost of the “big-name” players they’ll want to bring in too.

I think Jones is the cheap, work with what you have option. Big risk.

It could be a stroke of genius and if the club have been keeping tabs on him for some time then I suppose you’ve got to trust KA knows what he’s doing. 😇🤷🏻‍♂️

[Dragon_man]

Even with a big name manager it was always going to be hard to keep this team up. Its decayed too much, one transfer window and a little over half a season is probably too short a timeframe to save it. I'm guessing SR have an eye on costs and accept the likelihood of the championship next year. Hard to see a quality striker joining with the reasonable expectation of being in the championship next season.

Questions now are really about the championship next year. Who will we lose and who will we keep? I'm guessing KWP, JWP, ABK and Salisu are sure fire departures. Tino, Lavia, Perraud may also be targets. SR will want to recover some of the recent outlays.

Jones will be back to where he is now, leading a team looking for promotion, though arguably in a better position than Luton are now and with a much higher salary I'm sure.

Be somewhat ironic if Luton get promoted and we go down ...

 

[DT]

The one thing the fans need to do is welcome him tonight, if he's there. Any boos are very counterproductive.

I'm much more optimistic now having read up and watched him in interview than I was when he was first rumoured to be the one (although that may yet change). It's a gamble, but I quite admire the owners chutzpah in going against the grain and hopefully opting for the long-term rather than short term gain. Although of course survival is an absolute must. Not that that would be guaranteed with, say, Dyche. (if he would even have taken the job)

[Turkish]

2 minutes ago, DT said:

The one thing the fans need to do is welcome him tonight, if he's there. Any boos are very counterproductive.

I'm much more optimistic now having read up and watched him in interview than I was when he was first rumoured to be the one (although that may yet change). It's a gamble, but I quite admire the owners chutzpah in going against the grain and hopefully opting for the long-term rather than short term gain. Although of course survival is an absolute must. Not that that would be guaranteed with, say, Dyche. (if he would even have taken the job)

i fear he might have a tough job winning the fans over, remember how some didnt like Puel from day one because they found his interviews boring! Hopefully if he comes in the fans give him a chance and support him

[Saint Fan CaM]

Can’t say any of the interviews I’ve seen of him have particularly inspired me, so I hope he’s got a lot more in his locker when dealing with our precious players. He’s going to need balls of steel and a very convincing approach to bring about a change in fortunes for the club. Very sceptical at the moment, but the first game he takes charge of will be the time to judge his potential. A part of me wonders if he’ll actually decide it’s too risky and stay with his beloved Luton.

[tdmickey3]

1 minute ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

Can’t say any of the interviews I’ve seen of him have particularly inspired me, so I hope he’s got a lot more in his locker when dealing with our precious players. He’s going to need balls of steel and a very convincing approach to bring about a change in fortunes for the club. Very sceptical at the moment, but the first game he takes charge of will be the time to judge his potential. A part of me wonders if he’ll actually decide it’s too risky and stay with his beloved Luton.

Just the first game, sure you are willing to give him a little more than that?

I`m unsure but will give him a fair chance

[Wade Garrett]

1 hour ago, Saint86 said:

I don't think anyone can argue that Jones is one of the better up and coming managers in the English game - has similarities to Howe in terms of his experience pre prem. The question is, how good is Jones right now?

Howe obviously took Bournemouth all the way to the premier league, but still ultimately fell short with their eventual relegation - and that was despite very wealthy backers and it being his squad and players.

Jones will come in - and he's inheriting a very average (at best) set of attacking mids and strikers (for the prem), and a very young squad - all low on confidence. Against that, we are a relatively experienced premier league side (compared to Howe's Bournemouth - or Say Dyche's early burnley sides) and do have a smattering of very good players in ABK, Lavia, JWP, Salisu, KWP etc.

I voted unsure for Jones - on the basis that there is no way to know how he'll do at this level for the first time.

And ultimately, it won't matter how good Jones is without serious additions in January. That was the same for Ralph as well imo. Truthfully Ralph was failed by two boards that never came close to replacing ings - and he still had us 13th for xG, this season - against that we're 18th for goals scored - which says it a lot. We're also joint 15th for goals conceded this season - not great by any means - but we've played all the top sides,  had bad injuries, and suffered from a very weak attack / carry limited threat. Ralph had had to repeatedly compromise and juggle a limited squad, and its probably true that the players got tired of it. In a lot of ways, Ralph was probably here at a bad time, as with backing and his origninal attacking press, we'd have been decent. As it was, he's battled to keep us up and competitive whilst being failed by two boards and the whole thing has become jaded, and if the players were no longer listening, then regrettably his time had run out.

Either way that's all done now, and if you view Jones as an up and coming manager - he can only be seen as a gamble at this point in time - Can he come in and pick up this young squad and adapt to the level? Will he be any better than Hassenhuttle?  Not sure at all. But the saving grace is that players will be back from injuries, he'll have time to work with them, and we surely are going to buy a quality attacker. Phrased another way - Jones needs to be very good to come in and succeed here. Its a bit of a shitstorm lets be honest.

Bottom line - the fault now can only lie with the board and the players - everyone else is gone.

What the fuck is xG?  All I see is chances missed every week that my dog could have put away.

[Wade Garrett]

27 minutes ago, Dragon_man said:

Even with a big name manager it was always going to be hard to keep this team up. Its decayed too much, one transfer window and a little over half a season is probably too short a timeframe to save it. I'm guessing SR have an eye on costs and accept the likelihood of the championship next year. Hard to see a quality striker joining with the reasonable expectation of being in the championship next season.

Questions now are really about the championship next year. Who will we lose and who will we keep? I'm guessing KWP, JWP, ABK and Salisu are sure fire departures. Tino, Lavia, Perraud may also be targets. SR will want to recover some of the recent outlays.

Jones will be back to where he is now, leading a team looking for promotion, though arguably in a better position than Luton are now and with a much higher salary I'm sure.

Be somewhat ironic if Luton get promoted and we go down ...

 

Absolute wind-up merchant.  100% skate.

[Saint Fan CaM]

3 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

Just the first game, sure you are willing to give him a little more than that?

I`m unsure but will give him a fair chance

No not a final judgement as such, but it will likely tell us how he wants the team setup and playing tactically.  If we continue with the tippy tappy backwards/ sideways passing with slow build-ups and counterattacks I’ll not have high expectations for our continued place in EPL or my resilience to continue watching boring inevitable losses.

[CB Fry]

35 minutes ago, Dragon_man said:

Even with a big name manager it was always going to be hard to keep this team up. Its decayed too much, one transfer window and a little over half a season is probably too short a timeframe to save it. I'm guessing SR have an eye on costs and accept the likelihood of the championship next year. Hard to see a quality striker joining with the reasonable expectation of being in the championship next season.

Questions now are really about the championship next year. Who will we lose and who will we keep? I'm guessing KWP, JWP, ABK and Salisu are sure fire departures. Tino, Lavia, Perraud may also be targets. SR will want to recover some of the recent outlays.

Jones will be back to where he is now, leading a team looking for promotion, though arguably in a better position than Luton are now and with a much higher salary I'm sure.

Be somewhat ironic if Luton get promoted and we go down ...

 

2/10. Transparent. Needs more finesse.

[Dragon_man]

16 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

2/10. Transparent. Needs more finesse.

Like our finishing you mean. haha.