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Charlie Wayman

Charlie Wayman

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38 minutes ago, beatlesaint said:

If they bothered to read any of your posts they could add supported by imbeciles to their list !

Yourself included in that judging by taking me seriously. I was actually joking!

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Turkish

Turkish

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17 minutes ago, Christophenburg said:

Quite, in fact there's probably only two signings - AMN and Mara - who might need more time to find their feet. Everyone else is either a first name on the team sheet or making an impact from the bench, even Edozie and Larios

Why AMN? He played over 130 times for Arsenal, also played in the premier league with WBA, played in Europe, played for England! If anyone should be able to come in straight away its him.

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maysie

maysie

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11 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Why AMN? He played over 130 times for Arsenal, also played in the premier league with WBA, played in Europe, played for England! If anyone should be able to come in straight away its him.

I don’t think he looks fit to be honest

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Saint Garrett

Saint Garrett

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12 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Why AMN? He played over 130 times for Arsenal, also played in the premier league with WBA, played in Europe, played for England! If anyone should be able to come in straight away its him.

Not played much.  Looked pretty awful when he has played.

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SuperSAINT

SuperSAINT

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33 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Why AMN? He played over 130 times for Arsenal, also played in the premier league with WBA, played in Europe, played for England! If anyone should be able to come in straight away its him.

I think we went “Full Diallo” with AMN and signed the wrong sort of player. 

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Christophenburg

Christophenburg

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55 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Why AMN? He played over 130 times for Arsenal, also played in the premier league with WBA, played in Europe, played for England! If anyone should be able to come in straight away its him.

He doesn't seem fit enough, and doesn't seem to be up to speed with how Ralph wants to play (though most of the squad don't seem to be either). I think Ralph specifically singled AMN out as not being ready for Ralphball yet

SambaMaverick

SambaMaverick

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I've never seen someone look as laxadasical as he did on his home debut against Everton. He looks crap.

He's been given a few chances to wake up, smell the coffee and realise his career is on the line now but to me he just doesn't look bothered enough.

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Dman

Dman

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2 hours ago, Turkish said:

Why AMN? He played over 130 times for Arsenal, also played in the premier league with WBA, played in Europe, played for England! If anyone should be able to come in straight away its him.

I really don’t think AMN is a CM. If he is, he’s pretty shit (based on what we’ve seen so far). 

jayrivers

jayrivers

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1 hour ago, Dman said:

I really don’t think AMN is a CM. If he is, he’s pretty shit (based on what we’ve seen so far). 

I'd rather judge him when we are playing somewhat acceptable football. The same could be said of most of the team for now. Every player is going backwards at the moment... 

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Puelsarmy

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it's time for Sean Dyche. No more 9-0's.  We could do with more direct play - get the ball in the opposition box would be a great start.  We might just score some goals then.

 

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jayrivers

jayrivers

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It is not time for Dyche. There are plenty of managers working in Europe who play a high intensity brand of football. We want to develop our plays and progress as a club. 

 

Someone like Bo Svensson, Kjetil Knutsen, or Matthias Jaissle is more our style I would have thought 

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Wurzel

Wurzel

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Starting to lose interest now. Keep coming back once an hour to see the anouncement of the new boss and Ralph is still hanging on in there. 😠 Are SR not even reading this thread? Between us all we must have suggested every suitable manager going  - and a few unsuitable one's too - surely one of them wants the job.

 

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DT

DT

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45 minutes ago, Wurzel said:

Starting to lose interest now. Keep coming back once an hour to see the anouncement of the new boss and Ralph is still hanging on in there. 😠 Are SR not even reading this thread? Between us all we must have suggested every suitable manager going  - and a few unsuitable one's too - surely one of them wants the job.

 

I think it will be after the West Ham game now, when we are even further behind. Pretty depressing.

Bad Wolf

Bad Wolf

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1 hour ago, jayrivers said:

It is not time for Dyche. There are plenty of managers working in Europe who play a high intensity brand of football. We want to develop our plays and progress as a club. 

 

Someone like Bo Svensson, Kjetil Knutsen, or Matthias Jaissle is more our style I would have thought 

High intensity and long ball aren't mutually exclusive. I'm not in favour of Dyche but I find the distain for him quite odd.

DT

DT

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1 minute ago, Bad Wolf said:

High intensity and long ball aren't mutually exclusive. I'm not in favour of Dyche but I find the distain for him quite odd.

Agree. Did an amazing job at Burnley for many years. And outmanaged/out-tacticked Ralph a few times too. Not that I'm gagging for him. Bo sounds like the man. And I like his name. Reminds me of Derek.

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saintant

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46 minutes ago, DT said:

I think it will be after the West Ham game now, when we are even further behind. Pretty depressing.

Probably right and, if so, that means another home game gone unless Ralph pulls a rabbit out of the hat. We are unlikely to gain many points on the road so these home games are gold dust and we can ill afford to waste any of them. Dragan and SR are certainly up for a gamble although for all we know they may have faith in Ralphball - maybe they're not watching our games often enough.

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Wade Garrett

Wade Garrett

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1 hour ago, DT said:

I think it will be after the West Ham game now, when we are even further behind. Pretty depressing.

Delaying the inevitable.  SRs indecision is costing us valuable points.

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Piran

Piran

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1 hour ago, DT said:

I think it will be after the West Ham game now, when we are even further behind. Pretty depressing.

A new boss, with the same players, will automatically win then? Is it guaranteed?

Saint86

Saint86

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People scoff, but Dyche makes sense with the players we have.... The only good thing about saints is our defenders and JWP, and lavia when he is fit. The rest of the side can be described as distinctly average at best...

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cloggy saint

cloggy saint

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9 minutes ago, Piran said:

A new boss, with the same players, will automatically win then? Is it guaranteed?

Apparently so. Adams will immediately turn into a 20+ goal a season striker, Bazanu will be the new Yashin and our defence will resemble Arsenal's from their invincibles season.

saint1977

saint1977

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56 minutes ago, cloggy saint said:

Apparently so. Adams will immediately turn into a 20+ goal a season striker, Bazanu will be the new Yashin and our defence will resemble Arsenal's from their invincibles season.

Easy to say this but the club only needs a couple of first teamers to up their work rate, intensity and some focused training/confidence building. One example is Redmond after Ralph arrived, awful and looked fed up under Hughes, POTS after just over a half a season with RH. JWP wasn’t even in the squad. Look how much more he got out of Ings as well who was reckoned to be an over the hill crock. Everyone else starts to pull their finger out even if some players don’t force their way back into the picture. 

Sadly RH has lost that fizz and coherency about how he wants to play. Partially through not being backed in the transfer market when he should have been at PL level expenditure but since Villa away x2 it’s not even been clear what the game plan is. 

There were people on the Milton saying the same as this ‘who else are we are going to get then?’ about Ian Branfoot. Daft in hindsight but there are always people who stick with what’s there whether it’s Ralph, Ian Branfoot, Rupert Lowe. Sometimes they get proved right eg Lawrie after 74. Alan Ball’s managerial record wouldn’t have stacked up if he wasn’t a Saints legend but he was what we needed combined with judicious winter signings.

A less worn out version of Ralph, minus two scarring 9-0 defeats and the Chelsea home game, whether it’s Tedesco or someone else might do the trick this time. It might not but they need the opportunity to go for the Champ top 6 next season if the seemingly inevitable does happen. What is a certainty and we all see it, is that recent performances are equally as bad as later Pellegrino ones and that means relegation. SFC WILL go down in 20th place if it sticks with RH, it probably does with a new manager but there’s an outside chance it might not. Worth taking the risk rather than going down Derby style in 07/08.

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Lord Duckhunter

Lord Duckhunter

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54 minutes ago, Piran said:

A new boss, with the same players, will automatically win then? Is it guaranteed?

 

41 minutes ago, cloggy saint said:

Apparently so. Adams will immediately turn into a 20+ goal a season striker, Bazanu will be the new Yashin and our defence will resemble Arsenal's from their invincibles season.


 

What does Ralph need to do to get the sack. We could lose the next 15 games and blokes like this will still be sticking up for him.

No, a new boss won’t automatically win the next game, and no, he won’t turn  Adams into a 20 a season man. But he might just pick the best players, in a decent formation, with a coherent tactical plan. He may not make it so fucking obvious to the opposition manager how we’re going to play, and, god forbid, he may encourage us to pass the ball forward as opposed to backwards and sideways at a snails pace. The whole club is riddled with complacency & softness, a new man needs to kick some arses and make us tough to beat. Needs to upset the likes of Klopp & Pep instead of sucking up to them, and if Blackmore doesn’t like him, that’s an added bonus.

Fucking hell if it is Dyche our Noddy contingent will be reaching for the smelling salts…….

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Roo1976

Roo1976

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I think we wait till England get rolled over then announce Southgate as the new manager, with what 16 games to save us providing were still in the hunt for staying up...........

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Turkish

Turkish

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20 minutes ago, Roo1976 said:

I think we wait till England get rolled over then announce Southgate as the new manager, with what 16 games to save us providing were still in the hunt for staying up...........

He’d be great fit for us. Loves a bit of virtue signalling, he’d fit right in with the image our PR department want to put out of us as a club.

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Badger

Badger

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43 minutes ago, Saint_lambden said:

Lopetegui now not taking over at Wolves. 

Wonder if Fosun will take an eternity fannying around looking for a replacement. 

Badger

Badger

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9 minutes ago, Turkish said:

He’d be great fit for us. Loves a bit of virtue signalling, he’d fit right in with the image our PR department want to put out of us as a club.

Can hear it now: “Gareth Southflake’s red and white - and rainbow - army “

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cloggy saint

cloggy saint

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2 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

 


 

What does Ralph need to do to get the sack. We could lose the next 15 games and blokes like this will still be sticking up for him.

No, a new boss won’t automatically win the next game, and no, he won’t turn  Adams into a 20 a season man. But he might just pick the best players, in a decent formation, with a coherent tactical plan. He may not make it so fucking obvious to the opposition manager how we’re going to play, and, god forbid, he may encourage us to pass the ball forward as opposed to backwards and sideways at a snails pace. The whole club is riddled with complacency & softness, a new man needs to kick some arses and make us tough to beat. Needs to upset the likes of Klopp & Pep instead of sucking up to them, and if Blackmore doesn’t like him, that’s an added bonus.

Fucking hell if it is Dyche our Noddy contingent will be reaching for the smelling salts…….

Where am I sticking up for him? I couldn't really care if he stays or goes, all I'm saying is any incoming manager will have a major job turning our squad of lightweights into winners. Something Noddy pony.

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Dman

Dman

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8 hours ago, Atlanta Saint said:

Go get him in!

Rejected wolves because his father is ill. I know we’ve an airport with direct links to Spain in 2 hours, but I highly suspect, he’d reject us for the same reason..

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Lee On Solent Saint

Lee On Solent Saint

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1 hour ago, Dman said:

Rejected wolves because his father is ill. I know we’ve an airport with direct links to Spain in 2 hours, but I highly suspect, he’d reject us for the same reason..

There are probably a lot more reasons why he would reject us to be fair

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Ted Bates Statue

Ted Bates Statue

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16 hours ago, saint1977 said:

Easy to say this but the club only needs a couple of first teamers to up their work rate, intensity and some focused training/confidence building. One example is Redmond after Ralph arrived, awful and looked fed up under Hughes, POTS after just over a half a season with RH. JWP wasn’t even in the squad. Look how much more he got out of Ings as well who was reckoned to be an over the hill crock. Everyone else starts to pull their finger out even if some players don’t force their way back into the picture. 

Sadly RH has lost that fizz and coherency about how he wants to play. Partially through not being backed in the transfer market when he should have been at PL level expenditure but since Villa away x2 it’s not even been clear what the game plan is. 

There were people on the Milton saying the same as this ‘who else are we are going to get then?’ about Ian Branfoot. Daft in hindsight but there are always people who stick with what’s there whether it’s Ralph, Ian Branfoot, Rupert Lowe. Sometimes they get proved right eg Lawrie after 74. Alan Ball’s managerial record wouldn’t have stacked up if he wasn’t a Saints legend but he was what we needed combined with judicious winter signings.

A less worn out version of Ralph, minus two scarring 9-0 defeats and the Chelsea home game, whether it’s Tedesco or someone else might do the trick this time. It might not but they need the opportunity to go for the Champ top 6 next season if the seemingly inevitable does happen. What is a certainty and we all see it, is that recent performances are equally as bad as later Pellegrino ones and that means relegation. SFC WILL go down in 20th place if it sticks with RH, it probably does with a new manager but there’s an outside chance it might not. Worth taking the risk rather than going down Derby style in 07/08.

As someone still on the fence about the current situation, you make a very strong and compelling argument for a change. It just has to be the right one.

I don't agree with your closing couple of sentences, but certainly at this rate it will be touch and go. I'm sure Sports Republic won't accept allowing the situation to continue beyond this month.

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DT

DT

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17 hours ago, Piran said:

A new boss, with the same players, will automatically win then? Is it guaranteed?

FFS

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sydenhamssocks

sydenhamssocks

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12 hours ago, Wurzel said:

Rangers are out. Giovanni von Bronkhurst anyone?

An Interesting one. Has a similar-sh path to Koeman. Cup wins. league titles and champions league winner as a player. Was assistant to Koeman when he was appointed Feyenoord manager. Then managed them himself soon after Koeman joined us. Took Rangers to Europa cup final in his first season. Struggled in Europe this year, but selling arguably their two best players in the summer, Calvin Bassey to Ajax and Joe Aribo to us, hasn’t helped.  Would he suit us and the premier league ? I guess Aribo might know….

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Wurzel

Wurzel

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1 hour ago, sydenhamssocks said:

An Interesting one. Has a similar-sh path to Koeman. Cup wins. league titles and champions league winner as a player. Was assistant to Koeman when he was appointed Feyenoord manager. Then managed them himself soon after Koeman joined us. Took Rangers to Europa cup final in his first season. Struggled in Europe this year, but selling arguably their two best players in the summer, Calvin Bassey to Ajax and Joe Aribo to us, hasn’t helped.  Would he suit us and the premier league ? I guess Aribo might know….

You pretty much echoed my thoughts.  Probably the nearest thing to Koeman around. Highly experienced player and pretty decent managerial record. Yes they've struggled in Europe this year but that's at CL level, wer're not expecting anyone to have us competing at that level (yet lol) but at Europa level (which should at least be something for us to aim for) he's done ok with arguably a squad that doesn't come close to our "worst squad in the PL. Not sure how he fits with the bringing on kids philosophy though.

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Appy

Appy

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12 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

I thought we’d get van Bronckhorst or Koeman back in 2014. Not the worst idea.

Rangers fans aren’t overly happy with him, we won’t be looking at him. 

Appy

Appy

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Just now, FarehamSaintJames said:

It’ll be some Scandinavian we’re probably looking at.

Agreed, Knutsen from Bodo/Glimt or Bo Svensson from Mainz. 

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Bad Wolf

Bad Wolf

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One of the Leicester news outlets reported yesterday that the club aren't doing birthday wish requests at the weekend because they keep getting requests like "Zack Rodgers" and "Brenda Nout"

No idea if it's true or just a joke but I laughed either way.

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sydenhamssocks

sydenhamssocks

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16 minutes ago, Wurzel said:

You pretty much echoed my thoughts.  Probably the nearest thing to Koeman around. Highly experienced player and pretty decent managerial record. Yes they've struggled in Europe this year but that's at CL level, wer're not expecting anyone to have us competing at that level (yet lol) but at Europa level (which should at least be something for us to aim for) he's done ok with arguably a squad that doesn't come close to our "worst squad in the PL. Not sure how he fits with the bringing on kids philosophy though.

Yeah. And he seems to make an immediate impact. Dutch cup win in first Feyenoord season . League title in his second and of course the Europa cup final and a Scottish cup win in his first season at Rangers. He was assistant with Dutch U21 but no other specific reference to younger players. But as you mentioned, he’s not had a squad of world beaters at Rangers or possibly Feyenoord for that matter. Maybe the kind that can pull a group together and galvanise them quickly and get a response on the pitch.  
That would be handy, if nothing else ! 

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