Denmark and Hummel

[Daft Kerplunk]

Great statement from Hummel and Denmark about the disgraceful treatment of workers in the building of the forthcoming World Cup. It should never have been in the country and is a stain on the history of FIFA and football’s embrace of money over everything else. 

[Saint86]

3 hours ago, Daft Kerplunk said:

Great statement from Hummel and Denmark about the disgraceful treatment of workers in the building of the forthcoming World Cup. It should never have been in the country and is a stain on the history of FIFA and football’s embrace of money over everything else. 

Southgate and our FA take note.

[niceandfriendly]

Not sure, seems a bit virtue signally. Surely if they disapproved that much they would make a real stand and wouldn't take part in the competition? 

[skintsaint]

1 hour ago, niceandfriendly said:

Surely if they disapproved that much they would make a real stand and wouldn't take part in the competition? 

this ^

[CB Fry]

I don’t see what is wrong with a gesture. I don't know why the benchmark has to be pull out of the competition or shut the fuck up with nothing in between.

At the end if the day it is the world cup, which is the pinnacle of competition. Denmark as a nation and the players have earned the right to be there.

FIFA has put all the nations in this position.

Denmark's gesture is a reasonable response, and worth doing. 

 

[EBS1980]

3 hours ago, niceandfriendly said:

Not sure, seems a bit virtue signally. Surely if they disapproved that much they would make a real stand and wouldn't take part in the competition? 

I assume they have a contract with Denmark so want to continue with that. I guess they could have gone logo less on their shirt but it’s a good talking point at least.

[JRM]

10 hours ago, Daft Kerplunk said:

Great statement from Hummel and Denmark about the disgraceful treatment of workers in the building of the forthcoming World Cup. It should never have been in the country and is a stain on the history of FIFA and football’s embrace of money over everything else. 

It really is going to be one of the worst world cups ever, zero legacy in a country that has no domestic football league that requires these stadiums. 

Terrible experience for the match going fan (I know they don't matter anymore) few die hards I know going spent an absolute fortune on flights, accommodation on cruise ships, some flying back to Oman for a few days, going to be difficult for them to just find places to watch other games on tv there as apparently most hotels won't be showing it, whole thing is crazy. 

[tajjuk]

7 hours ago, niceandfriendly said:

Not sure, seems a bit virtue signally. Surely if they disapproved that much they would make a real stand and wouldn't take part in the competition? 

Don't agree with that, making a protest there, in their faces seems more relevant and impactful IMO. 

What's the point of them as one nation or one kit manufacturer or one player boycotting? It would just get glossed over and everyone would move on. Unless everyone does it and it prevents the tournament happening it would be rather pointless. Whereas their protest kit will be seen and talked about everytime they play.

It's the same with rainbow captain armbands that many of the captains have said they are going to wear.  It puts the protest in their face and will annoy the Qatar authorities and highlight it to their people. 

Boycotting is a weak protest IMO that just pretty much solves the problem for the people you are protesting against because they can just ignore it and brush it under the carpet, plus will harm the boycotters more than the people you are against. Being there and being annoying and putting it in their face makes them have to confront it and acknowledge it. 

Watch FIFA though make them change it. 

[niceandfriendly]

42 minutes ago, tajjuk said:

Being there and being annoying and putting it in their face makes them have to confront it and acknowledge it. 

I hear what you're saying. Don't think plain kits will have the affect they think it will though. If it were a plain white kit with "F*ck the Qatari government/monarchy" written on it then fair enough. 

Edited 29 September, 2022 by niceandfriendly

[JRM]

44 minutes ago, niceandfriendly said:

I hear what you're saying. Don't think plain kits will have the affect they think it will though. If it were a plain white kit with "F*ck the Qatari government/monarchy" written on it then fair enough. 

Never know how true these stories are but stuff like this makes you think

 

 

[Micky]

Why does anybody give a shit?  This regime that we are all meant to get apoplectic at are plying their trade every day here in the Premiere League.  After the initial protests, fans flags at Crystal Palace, the noise was quickly quashed and has now gone away.  The players and staff are more than happy to take the wads of money that clearly emanate from dubious sources while the fans are more than happy to cheer the team on.  No doubt they will soon be winning premiere leagues and Champion league finals - all built on this very same regime, or have I missed something?

[Lighthouse]

5 hours ago, JRM said:

It really is going to be one of the worst world cups ever, zero legacy in a country that has no domestic football league that requires these stadiums. 

Terrible experience for the match going fan (I know they don't matter anymore) few die hards I know going spent an absolute fortune on flights, accommodation on cruise ships, some flying back to Oman for a few days, going to be difficult for them to just find places to watch other games on tv there as apparently most hotels won't be showing it, whole thing is crazy. 

An Arabian Gulf WC would have been a bit more palatable IMO. There’s still a lot to object to but you could have eight stadiums in Qatar, Bahrain, Abu Dhabi, Dubai, Jeddah, Muscat, Rihyad and Kuwait City, for example. It would spread things around a bit more, taking the load off such a small area and making accommodation less ridiculously expensive and hard to find. 
 

Building eight stadiums bigger than Goodison Park, in a country with a smaller population that Rome is just ludicrous.

[SaintsLoyal]

Desperate woke pr 

[Lighthouse]

6 minutes ago, SaintsLoyal said:

Desperate woke pr 

There is a lot of nauseating, pretentious virtue signalling I can accept being called ‘woke’ but objecting to modern day corruption and slavery isn’t in that category.

[tajjuk]

55 minutes ago, SaintsLoyal said:

Desperate woke pr 

Ah the stereotypical Daily Mail reader has appeared. 

[Wurzel]

2 hours ago, Micky said:

Why does anybody give a shit?  This regime that we are all meant to get apoplectic at are plying their trade every day here in the Premiere League.  After the initial protests, fans flags at Crystal Palace, the noise was quickly quashed and has now gone away.  The players and staff are more than happy to take the wads of money that clearly emanate from dubious sources while the fans are more than happy to cheer the team on.  No doubt they will soon be winning premiere leagues and Champion league finals - all built on this very same regime, or have I missed something?

Nice rant but I think you've got your regimes muddled up. Qatar own PSG, they're not involved in the Premier League .... yet.

[SaintsLoyal]

1 hour ago, Lighthouse said:

There is a lot of nauseating, pretentious virtue signalling I can accept being called ‘woke’ but objecting to modern day corruption and slavery isn’t in that category.

Theyre a clothing brand, this is all about PR and patting themselves on the back and getting people to say oh how great hummel are.  

[Convict Colony]

To be honest this isn't a gimmick from hummel they take this stuff seriously and have done for years, i think it makes a nice change that someone actually stands for something that isn't in their best interests in football.

https://www.hummel.net/companykarma-home.html

[woodsaint1]

Didnt Neville do a programme a year or so ago highlighting the disgraceful slave labour used to help build the stadiums. No doubt he'll be very quiet in the run up to the tournament since hes got a cushy punditry job in the ITV studio. What a c***

[niceandfriendly]

10 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

There is a lot of nauseating, pretentious virtue signalling I can accept being called ‘woke’ but objecting to modern day corruption and slavery isn’t in that category.

That's the trouble though. They're objecting to the World Cup but then taking part and fully supporting that which they so strongly disapprove of. That's what makes this action virtue signalling and not actually doing something constructive or genuinely virtuous. They probably have the right intentions but they haven't executed it with any real value or purpose.

By taking part in the World Cup they are fully supporting the corruption and slavery.

Just another "look at us" move, which is fine. Having people looking at you is nice sometimes, especially when you're wearing your best frock. Just don't pretend you're doing something you're not, is all.

Edited 30 September, 2022 by niceandfriendly

[Saint Keef]

12 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

An Arabian Gulf WC would have been a bit more palatable IMO. There’s still a lot to object to but you could have eight stadiums in Qatar, Bahrain, Abu Dhabi, Dubai, Jeddah, Muscat, Rihyad and Kuwait City, for example. It would spread things around a bit more, taking the load off such a small area and making accommodation less ridiculously expensive and hard to find. 
 

Building eight stadiums bigger than Goodison Park, in a country with a smaller population that Rome is just ludicrous.

Blimey! The dugouts must be enormous!

[SaintsLoyal]

Made in China !  you coudnt make it ip

[once_bitterne]

If we can just get past this WC we can get back to have major sporting competitions held in nice countries like Russia and China.

[Convict Colony]

12 hours ago, niceandfriendly said:

That's the trouble though. They're objecting to the World Cup but then taking part and fully supporting that which they so strongly disapprove of. That's what makes this action virtue signalling and not actually doing something constructive or genuinely virtuous. They probably have the right intentions but they haven't executed it with any real value or purpose.

By taking part in the World Cup they are fully supporting the corruption and slavery.

Just another "look at us" move, which is fine. Having people looking at you is nice sometimes, especially when you're wearing your best frock. Just don't pretend you're doing something you're not, is all.

You never know, the gulf states might see the this combined with all the other bad press they've all had regarding workers rights etc and change, or I'd at least hope they would.

Its a joke as well, as soon as the workers sign the contract, they are in debt to the company due to travel/training expenses etc and have to work at least a certain period of time to get back to 0 let alone visit home.

Would add Singapore does this model as well - import workers cheaply from somewhere else.

Edited 30 September, 2022 by Convict Colony

[CB Fry]

12 hours ago, niceandfriendly said:

That's the trouble though. They're objecting to the World Cup but then taking part and fully supporting that which they so strongly disapprove of. That's what makes this action virtue signalling and not actually doing something constructive or genuinely virtuous. They probably have the right intentions but they haven't executed it with any real value or purpose.

By taking part in the World Cup they are fully supporting the corruption and slavery.

Just another "look at us" move, which is fine. Having people looking at you is nice sometimes, especially when you're wearing your best frock. Just don't pretend you're doing something you're not, is all.

What are they "pretending" they are doing?

They've done what they've done, and explained it. Where's the pretence?

[Saint86]

17 hours ago, woodsaint1 said:

Didnt Neville do a programme a year or so ago highlighting the disgraceful slave labour used to help build the stadiums. No doubt he'll be very quiet in the run up to the tournament since hes got a cushy punditry job in the ITV studio. What a c***

Gary neville? Stay quiet on something political? 

More chance of saints winning the Premier league this season. He'll use that position to draw attention to it. Why do you think western TV companies won't highlight the horrendous abuses of the Qatari regime? I would say they'll be a backlash vs anyone that doesn't.

[niceandfriendly]

22 hours ago, CB Fry said:

What are they "pretending" they are doing?

They've done what they've done, and explained it. Where's the pretence?

Pretending that they're standing up to the authorities of Qatar? I thought that was the whole point of this protest? And the fact they're taking part in the WC shows they aren't standing up to the authorities. So they're pretending to act, whereas they're just getting some publicity. 

That's fine. Not a big deal, I quite like Hummel and the Danish are cool.

Edited 1 October, 2022 by niceandfriendly

[CB Fry]

1 hour ago, niceandfriendly said:

Pretending that they're standing up to the authorities of Qatar? I thought that was the whole point of this protest? And the fact they're taking part in the WC shows they aren't standing up to the authorities. So they're pretending to act, whereas they're just getting some publicity. 

That's fine. Not a big deal, I quite like Hummel and the Danish are cool.

Except there is nothing anywhere that says they are "standing up for the authorities". They've explained what they've done and why.

You're just making that up in your head so you can get cross.

And you're getting cross because they're saying that Qatar is a fucking terrible place for a world cup.

You don't agree, fine. Qatar is great. Good for you.

[wadesmith]

The general consensus across various sources of media I’ve read is the about 6500 migrant workers have died in the construction of stadiums for Quatar. That seems an astonishing figure. 2996 died in 9/11. I know it’s not a like for like comparison...but that does  seem extraordinary. 

[Saint_clark]

On 29/09/2022 at 02:41, niceandfriendly said:

Not sure, seems a bit virtue signally. Surely if they disapproved that much they would make a real stand and wouldn't take part in the competition? 

100%, I cannot listen to what any of them say or pay any attention to their armband wearing or kit changes if they're actually going to attend. If they had any real conviction they wouldn't go and I would fully support England if they did it, despite it wasting the last chance we have of winning something with this group of players.