Turkish Posted 21 September, 2022 Share Posted 21 September, 2022 9 hours ago, saintscottofthenortham said: Managerial statistics[edit] As of matches played 16 September 2022 Managerial record by team and tenure Team From To Record P W D L GF GA GD Win % Ref. SpVgg Unterhaching 4 October 2007 22 February 2010 88 40 20 28 129 115 +14 45.45 [4][5][8][10] VfR Aalen 3 January 2011 8 June 2013 93 36 28 29 115 107 +8 38.71 [11][12][36][37] Ingolstadt 04 7 October 2013 30 June 2016 95 36 34 25 113 95 +18 37.89 [16][38][39][40] RB Leipzig 1 July 2016 16 May 2018 83 40 19 24 150 116 +34 48.19 [17][18] Southampton 5 December 2018 Present 166 58 39 69 226 267 −41 34.94 [22][41] Total 525 210 140 175 733 700 +33 40.00 boring old useless Claude Puel had a better win % than Super Ralph Managerial statistics[edit] As of match played 5 December 2021[37] Managerial record by team and tenure Team From To Record P W D L Win % Monaco 13 January 1999 30 June 2001 113 56 24 33 49.56 Lille 1 July 2002 17 June 2008 299 119 94 86 39.80 Lyon 18 June 2008 20 June 2011 156 76 44 36 48.72 Nice 23 May 2012 24 May 2016 169 69 38 62 40.83 Southampton 30 June 2016 14 June 2017 53 20 13 20 37.74 Leicester City 25 October 2017 24 February 2019 67 23 18 26 34.33 Saint-Étienne 4 October 2019 5 December 2021 88 26 23 39 29.55 Total 945 389 254 302 41.16 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 21 September, 2022 Share Posted 21 September, 2022 25 minutes ago, Turkish said: boring old useless Claude Puel had a better win % than Super Ralph Managerial statistics[edit] As of match played 5 December 2021[37] Managerial record by team and tenure Team From To Record P W D L Win % Monaco 13 January 1999 30 June 2001 113 56 24 33 49.56 Lille 1 July 2002 17 June 2008 299 119 94 86 39.80 Lyon 18 June 2008 20 June 2011 156 76 44 36 48.72 Nice 23 May 2012 24 May 2016 169 69 38 62 40.83 Southampton 30 June 2016 14 June 2017 53 20 13 20 37.74 Leicester City 25 October 2017 24 February 2019 67 23 18 26 34.33 Saint-Étienne 4 October 2019 5 December 2021 88 26 23 39 29.55 Total 945 389 254 302 41.16 Puel had better players 8 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 21 September, 2022 Share Posted 21 September, 2022 26 minutes ago, John B said: Puel had better players Ralph with the centre back duo of Fonte and VVD would be quite good to watch I reckon. Instead he had Vestergaard and Bednarek to work with. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 21 September, 2022 Share Posted 21 September, 2022 5 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said: Ralph with the centre back duo of Fonte and VVD would be quite good to watch I reckon. Instead he had Vestergaard and Bednarek to work with. He’d of played them as wide midfielders, or some such. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 21 September, 2022 Share Posted 21 September, 2022 6 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said: Ralph with the centre back duo of Fonte and VVD would be quite good to watch I reckon. Instead he had Vestergaard and Bednarek to work with. The weird thing about Puel was that when VVD got injured and we signed Caceres, it didn't seem to improve the team. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 September, 2022 Author Share Posted 21 September, 2022 13 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said: Ralph with the centre back duo of Fonte and VVD would be quite good to watch I reckon. Instead he had Vestergaard and Bednarek to work with. Puel only had them for half the season, for the other half he had Yoshida and Stephens, who are/were awful 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 21 September, 2022 Share Posted 21 September, 2022 6 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: The weird thing about Puel was that when VVD got injured and we signed Caceres, it didn't seem to improve the team. Thats because he didn't play him... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 21 September, 2022 Share Posted 21 September, 2022 Just now, Turkish said: Puel only had them for half the season, for the other half he had Yoshida and Stephens, who are/were awful He was very good at setting up a defensive team though, to protect the back 4. Just had nothing going forward because we were so deep all the time. Remember Middlesbrough played like it a few seasons ago when they came up and people were talking about Gibson for England. Unfortunately you have to find the right balance between going forward and being defensively sound, Puel didn't manage that at all IMO. It's the battle that Ralph has fought with since he's come in 4 years ago, but don't disagree he should have found a better way by now. Maybe with Broja this season, we'd be a different side, I think we would be. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piran Posted 21 September, 2022 Share Posted 21 September, 2022 3 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said: He was very good at setting up a defensive team though, to protect the back 4. Just had nothing going forward because we were so deep all the time. Remember Middlesbrough played like it a few seasons ago when they came up and people were talking about Gibson for England. Unfortunately you have to find the right balance between going forward and being defensively sound, Puel didn't manage that at all IMO. It's the battle that Ralph has fought with since he's come in 4 years ago, but don't disagree he should have found a better way by now. Maybe with Broja this season, we'd be a different side, I think we would be. This is right. The parallel between what 'Boro were trying, and Puel's team, is a good one. But the common factor, and one which Hassenhuttl shares, is managers making attempts to get the most out of players who may not be the very best, and use teamwork, tactics and fitness to help them compete with teams that do contain the best, most talented players. You know, the ones who cost multiple tens of millions... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 September, 2022 Author Share Posted 21 September, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said: He was very good at setting up a defensive team though, to protect the back 4. Just had nothing going forward because we were so deep all the time. Remember Middlesbrough played like it a few seasons ago when they came up and people were talking about Gibson for England. Unfortunately you have to find the right balance between going forward and being defensively sound, Puel didn't manage that at all IMO. It's the battle that Ralph has fought with since he's come in 4 years ago, but don't disagree he should have found a better way by now. Maybe with Broja this season, we'd be a different side, I think we would be. Disagree. Before the injuries to Van Dijk and Fonte leaving we had some games where we were very good going forward but he also had to contend with a fixture list which had 6 European games and our first 4 league cup games before Christmas. Plus he’s lost Mane and Pelle from the previous season who scored over half our goals replaced by Redmond and Boufal, but no one ever mentions that. The problem started when we didnt have them and he had to play the Stephens and Yoshida at centre back, they’re mid championship at best as a pair. He had to set up defensively then otherwise we’d have got smashed every week. The situation with Caceres was weird, obviously miles better than both of them but for some reason never played him, can only assume it was something to do with being made/wanting to give stephens a go to prove himself given there was no chance we’d go down that season. the problem is people only talk remember the second half of the season and the Ber Sheeva game, he got that wrong but people don’t ever mention the good games, the mantra Puels team was boring has been said so much it’s become fact. for half of his season here he was without Fonte and Van Dijk, for all of it he was without Mane, Pelle and Wanyama who were our 5 best players from the previous season. The squad had been cut of all its attacking and defensive quality with the exception of Tadic, then Gabiandini came in started on fire and got injured after a few games and was never the same, but again let’s not mention that. Edited 21 September, 2022 by Turkish 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 21 September, 2022 Share Posted 21 September, 2022 9 minutes ago, Turkish said: Disagree. Before the injuries to Van Dijk and Fonte leaving we had some games where we were very good going forward but he also had to contend with a fixture list which had 6 European games and our first 4 league cup games before Christmas. Plus he’s lost Mane and Pelle from the previous season who scored over half our goals replaced by Redmond and Boufal, but no one ever mentions that. The problem started when we didnt have them and he had to play the Stephens and Yoshida at centre back, they’re mid championship at best as a pair. He had to set up defensively then otherwise we’d have got smashed every week. The situation with Caceres was weird, obviously miles better than both of them but for some reason never played him, can only assume it was something to do with being made/wanting to give stephens a go to prove himself given there was no chance we’d go down that season. the problem is people only talk remember the second half of the season and the Ber Sheeva game, he got that wrong but people don’t ever mention the good games, the mantra Puels team was boring has been said so much it’s become fact. for half of his season here he was without Fonte and Van Dijk, for all of it he was without Mane, Pelle and Wanyama who were our 5 best players from the previous season. The squad had been cut of all its attacking and defensive quality with the exception of Tadic, then Gabiandini came in started on fire and got injured after a few games and was never the same, but again let’s not mention that. But Redmond, Boufal and Caceres were all his signings, replacing Koeman’s old players. Why would they make the team worse? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 September, 2022 Author Share Posted 21 September, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: But Redmond, Boufal and Caceres were all his signings, replacing Koeman’s old players. Why would they make the team worse? Incorrect. Redmond was signed before he was here, Caceres was a last minute panic out of contract signing because we'd missed out on other signings, IIRC we had a deal agreed with some german defender but he got injured the day before he was due to sign. Boufal was his. Edited 21 September, 2022 by Turkish 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 21 September, 2022 Share Posted 21 September, 2022 4 minutes ago, Turkish said: Caceres was a last minute panic out of contract signing because we'd missed out on other signings, IIRC we had a deal agreed with some german defender but he got injured the day before he was due to sign. Oh okay, so a player we signed when Puel was manager wasn’t necessarily the player he actually wanted to sign? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 September, 2022 Author Share Posted 21 September, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: Oh okay, so a player we signed when Puel was manager wasn’t necessarily the player he actually wanted to sign? i dont know you'll have to ask Les, but we were linked with Redmond way before Puel turned up. Stoke join Southampton in £5m race to sign Norwich winger Nathan Redmond | Football | Sport | Express.co.uk Or if you're on about Caceres then it was pretty obvious he was a panic signing. Edited 21 September, 2022 by Turkish 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuckyNumber7 Posted 21 September, 2022 Share Posted 21 September, 2022 32 minutes ago, Turkish said: the mantra Puels team was boring has been said so much it’s become fact. Because it largely is a fact, as a season ticket holder I was bored stiff throughout that season. The only decent attacking displays I remember were a 0-4 win at a dreadful Sunderland team and 1-4 win at Watford. Aside from that it was utter dirge, especially at home where we failed to even score in the last five games and in general seemed to be set up not to concede rather than take the game to the opposition. On the whole he did an ok job but there's no way I could have sat through another season of that boredom, football is supposed to be an entertainment business after all. Bringing it back to Ralph, this is where I'm losing faith in him as earlier in his reign we played some attractive attacking football on the front foot, if not always getting the results. Now in his attempt to shore up the defence we are becoming dull and negative to watch and the results aren't improving, that can't continue for much longer. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 21 September, 2022 Share Posted 21 September, 2022 54 minutes ago, Turkish said: the problem is people only talk remember the second half of the season and the Ber Sheeva game, he got that wrong but people don’t ever mention the good games, the mantra Puels team was boring has been said so much it’s become fact. for half of his season here he was without Fonte and Van Dijk, for all of it he was without Mane, Pelle and Wanyama who were our 5 best players from the previous season. The squad had been cut of all its attacking and defensive quality with the exception of Tadic, then Gabiandini came in started on fire and got injured after a few games and was never the same, but again let’s not mention that. That’s because it was mind-numbingly boring. We we’re without Fonte because he drove him out of the club. Fonte didn’t play in any of our European games and wanted our in January. If only we’d had him instead of Stephens at Wembley. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 September, 2022 Author Share Posted 21 September, 2022 (edited) 48 minutes ago, LuckyNumber7 said: Because it largely is a fact, as a season ticket holder I was bored stiff throughout that season. The only decent attacking displays I remember were a 0-4 win at a dreadful Sunderland team and 1-4 win at Watford. Aside from that it was utter dirge, especially at home where we failed to even score in the last five games and in general seemed to be set up not to concede rather than take the game to the opposition. On the whole he did an ok job but there's no way I could have sat through another season of that boredom, football is supposed to be an entertainment business after all. Bringing it back to Ralph, this is where I'm losing faith in him as earlier in his reign we played some attractive attacking football on the front foot, if not always getting the results. Now in his attempt to shore up the defence we are becoming dull and negative to watch and the results aren't improving, that can't continue for much longer. Weren't at Wembley then? Weren't at the Liverpool first leg when we could have won by 2 or 3 not 1. Weren't at the Burnley game when we won 3-1 and had something like 30 attempts at goal, their keeper had the game of his life, weren;t at the 3-0 away win at West Ham when we were excellent, gave the 3-0 win at Leicester a swerve when we had something like 20+ attempts at goal, Bournemouth away 1-3 win or the Inter Milan game were we had 20 odd attempts at goal in a great night. Apart from the league cup final all games before Fonte and Van Dijk were out. Like i said people only remember the games from when we had to set up that way because we had two awful centre backs playing, as i said above he had to set up like that otherwise we'd have got hammered every week. Edited 21 September, 2022 by Turkish 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 September, 2022 Author Share Posted 21 September, 2022 34 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said: That’s because it was mind-numbingly boring. We we’re without Fonte because he drove him out of the club. Fonte didn’t play in any of our European games and wanted our in January. If only we’d had him instead of Stephens at Wembley. utter bollocks. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 21 September, 2022 Share Posted 21 September, 2022 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Turkish said: Weren't at Wembley then? We may have lost but and least we turned up and gave it a go, unlike WGS’ side. God can you imagine the “I want to be entertained” Noddies thoughts had we set up like we did against Arsenal? His best was as good as Ralph’s, but his worse was nowhere near the lows The Alpine Klopp has delivered, nowhere fucking near. Edited 21 September, 2022 by Lord Duckhunter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 21 September, 2022 Share Posted 21 September, 2022 1 hour ago, Turkish said: Weren't at Wembley then? Weren't at the Liverpool first leg when we could have won by 2 or 3 not 1. Weren't at the Burnley game when we won 3-1 and had something like 30 attempts at goal, their keeper had the game of his life, weren;t at the 3-0 away win at West Ham when we were excellent, gave the 3-0 win at Leicester a swerve when we had something like 20+ attempts at goal, Bournemouth away 1-3 win or the Inter Milan game were we had 20 odd attempts at goal in a great night. Apart from the league cup final all games before Fonte and Van Dijk were out. Like i said people only remember the games from when we had to set up that way because we had two awful centre backs playing, as i said above he had to set up like that otherwise we'd have got hammered every week. Yet at the time you said sacking him was "probably the right decision" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuckyNumber7 Posted 21 September, 2022 Share Posted 21 September, 2022 1 hour ago, Turkish said: Weren't at Wembley then? Weren't at the Liverpool first leg when we could have won by 2 or 3 not 1. Weren't at the Burnley game when we won 3-1 and had something like 30 attempts at goal, their keeper had the game of his life, weren;t at the 3-0 away win at West Ham when we were excellent, gave the 3-0 win at Leicester a swerve when we had something like 20+ attempts at goal, Bournemouth away 1-3 win or the Inter Milan game were we had 20 odd attempts at goal in a great night. Apart from the league cup final all games before Fonte and Van Dijk were out. Like i said people only remember the games from when we had to set up that way because we had two awful centre backs playing, as i said above he had to set up like that otherwise we'd have got hammered every week. Yes I was at Wembley, and the Liverpool first leg and the Arsenal away game in the quarter final. The cup run was good granted but we were like a different team in the league. I was in America at the time of the Inter game at SMS so unfortunately missed that, but as alluded to most of our best performances were away from home as we were set up to defend and absorb pressure. Doesn't change the fact that the home performances were dire and depressing. The Leicester and Burnley games you mention were two of only three home games all season where we scored more than one goal. In the remaining 16 home games we scored 8 goals. It absolutely was boring. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 21 September, 2022 Share Posted 21 September, 2022 32 minutes ago, aintforever said: Yet at the time you said sacking him was "probably the right decision" I don't think those sentiments are mutually exclusive. I agree with that analysis and agree with the thought that it probably was the right decision to sack him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 21 September, 2022 Share Posted 21 September, 2022 1 hour ago, Turkish said: utter bollocks. Think again. Why do you think Fonte was so desperate to leave in January? Don’t you think that not being played in any of our European games had something to do with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 September, 2022 Author Share Posted 21 September, 2022 51 minutes ago, aintforever said: Yet at the time you said sacking him was "probably the right decision" Yes because as i explained several times he had lost the players and the fans and once that happens it's when not if, so it was the right decision. In the simple little world you live in no surprise you've once again failed to grasp that concept. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 September, 2022 Author Share Posted 21 September, 2022 6 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said: Think again. Why do you think Fonte was so desperate to leave in January? Don’t you think that not being played in any of our European games had something to do with it? Because he wanted a longer, bigger contract than the club we willing to offer, that's nothing to do with Puel forcing him out like you claim he did. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 September, 2022 Author Share Posted 21 September, 2022 38 minutes ago, LuckyNumber7 said: Yes I was at Wembley, and the Liverpool first leg and the Arsenal away game in the quarter final. The cup run was good granted but we were like a different team in the league. I was in America at the time of the Inter game at SMS so unfortunately missed that, but as alluded to most of our best performances were away from home as we were set up to defend and absorb pressure. Doesn't change the fact that the home performances were dire and depressing. The Leicester and Burnley games you mention were two of only three home games all season where we scored more than one goal. In the remaining 16 home games we scored 8 goals. It absolutely was boring. it was boring the second half of the season, i already explained why. I also explained that the two leading goalscorers with over 30 goals between them had been sold and replaced by Redmond and Boufal who i think only scored 6. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 21 September, 2022 Share Posted 21 September, 2022 Thought I was on the Puel thread. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 21 September, 2022 Share Posted 21 September, 2022 13 minutes ago, Turkish said: Because he wanted a longer, bigger contract than the club we willing to offer, that's nothing to do with Puel forcing him out like you claim he did. Constructive dismissal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 September, 2022 Author Share Posted 21 September, 2022 1 minute ago, Whitey Grandad said: Constructive dismissal. He was an older player coming towards the tail end of his career, the club offered one thing he wanted something else, so he left. it happens a lot. It wasn't the right decision to let him go and it was made even more foolhardy to let him leave without securing a replacement, but then it was one of many crazy decisions made by people at the club at that time. It had zip all to do with Puel forcing him out like you're making out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 21 September, 2022 Share Posted 21 September, 2022 21 minutes ago, Turkish said: He was an older player coming towards the tail end of his career, the club offered one thing he wanted something else, so he left. it happens a lot. It wasn't the right decision to let him go and it was made even more foolhardy to let him leave without securing a replacement, but then it was one of many crazy decisions made by people at the club at that time. It had zip all to do with Puel forcing him out like you're making out. Do you have an explanation as to why he wasn’t selected for any European games? Nothing to do with Puel then, obviously 🙄 One of the consequences was that we ended up with Jack Stephens against Ibrahimović. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 September, 2022 Author Share Posted 21 September, 2022 15 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said: Do you have an explanation as to why he wasn’t selected for any European games? Nothing to do with Puel then, obviously 🙄 One of the consequences was that we ended up with Jack Stephens against Ibrahimović. Jose Fonte says Southampton will not offer him a new contract | Football News | Sky Sports It's all there for you to read yourself. Maybe it was something to do with this. I deal in facts, you prefer to make stuff up because you didn't like the manager at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 21 September, 2022 Share Posted 21 September, 2022 1 hour ago, Turkish said: Yes because as i explained several times he had lost the players and the fans and once that happens it's when not if, so it was the right decision. In the simple little world you live in no surprise you've once again failed to grasp that concept. I get it, just don't get why you continually bang on about him like he was Pep Guardiola when you think it was right that he was sacked all along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 21 September, 2022 Share Posted 21 September, 2022 2 hours ago, Turkish said: Jose Fonte says Southampton will not offer him a new contract | Football News | Sky Sports It's all there for you to read yourself. Maybe it was something to do with this. I deal in facts, you prefer to make stuff up because you didn't like the manager at the time. Yes, it’s all there. "Of course I'm disappointed. I want to play every game. I'm fit to play every game.“ You have to ask yourself why Southampton/Puel didn’t want to offer him a new contract. If Puel had valued him he could have stayed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 21 September, 2022 Share Posted 21 September, 2022 What's with all the Fonte/Puel bollox? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 September, 2022 Author Share Posted 21 September, 2022 2 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said: Yes, it’s all there. "Of course I'm disappointed. I want to play every game. I'm fit to play every game.“ You have to ask yourself why Southampton/Puel didn’t want to offer him a new contract. If Puel had valued him he could have stayed. Puel wasn’t responsible for offering contracts. he also "It is frustrating, but it's football. Like the manager said, he wants people to be 100 per cent fit for every game. You have to accept the decision and move on." so your statement that Puel was forcing him out is completely made up bollocks as I said it was 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 21 September, 2022 Share Posted 21 September, 2022 9 minutes ago, Turkish said: Puel wasn’t responsible for offering contracts. he also "It is frustrating, but it's football. Like the manager said, he wants people to be 100 per cent fit for every game. You have to accept the decision and move on." so your statement that Puel was forcing him out is completely made up bollocks as I said it was Not at all. Fonte was effectively forced out. Puel obviously didn’t want him. That much is clear. But there again, Puel is not a very good manager as his subsequent career has shown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 September, 2022 Author Share Posted 21 September, 2022 32 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said: Not at all. Fonte was effectively forced out. Puel obviously didn’t want him. That much is clear. But there again, Puel is not a very good manager as his subsequent career has shown. I don’t care about his subsequent career he was fine for saints, coming in at a very difficult time. Fonte wasn’t forced out by Puel that is completely made up nonsense by you, because you didn’t like him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 21 September, 2022 Share Posted 21 September, 2022 Fonte won the Euro’s, was coming up on 33, had a year left on his current deal and asked his agent, Jorges Mendes no less, to cash in. Thankfully, one of the few things you can credit Les for in his later years here, we didn’t budge and we’re only willing to offer him a one year deal. West Ham were willing to offer two, we cashed in and he left. There’s nothing wrong with any of that, nobody was forced into anything and Fonte’s career wasn’t ruined by being denied a Thursday night trip to Israel. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 September, 2022 Author Share Posted 21 September, 2022 4 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: Fonte won the Euro’s, was coming up on 33, had a year left on his current deal and asked his agent, Jorges Mendes no less, to cash in. Thankfully, one of the few things you can credit Les for in his later years here, we didn’t budge and we’re only willing to offer him a one year deal. West Ham were willing to offer two, we cashed in and he left. There’s nothing wrong with any of that, nobody was forced into anything and Fonte’s career wasn’t ruined by being denied a Thursday night trip to Israel. Why look at it that way when you can make up a load of shit to discredit a previous manger you didn’t t like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarvSFC Posted 21 September, 2022 Share Posted 21 September, 2022 The rewriting of history of the Fonte situation always baffles me. He left Crystal Palace in the Championship for us in League One for more money and he left us for West Ham, for more money. Although, he, like everyone else probably thought he was United bound. Jorge Mendes wasn’t always Fonte’s agent, he switched agents at Southampton, during Koeman’s final season. A player doesn’t switch to Mendes to stay at Southampton for the remainder of their career. He wanted out, there isn’t any ifs or buts about it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpsaint Posted 21 September, 2022 Share Posted 21 September, 2022 10 hours ago, Saint Garrett said: Thats because he didn't play him... Such a weird signing, he didn’t have a bad CV prior to coming to us. Imagine he played instead of Jack Stephens in the cup final, could have all been very different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 September, 2022 Author Share Posted 21 September, 2022 1 hour ago, HarvSFC said: The rewriting of history of the Fonte situation always baffles me. He left Crystal Palace in the Championship for us in League One for more money and he left us for West Ham, for more money. Although, he, like everyone else probably thought he was United bound. Jorge Mendes wasn’t always Fonte’s agent, he switched agents at Southampton, during Koeman’s final season. A player doesn’t switch to Mendes to stay at Southampton for the remainder of their career. He wanted out, there isn’t any ifs or buts about it. Exactly. The idea that Puel was some tyrant who forced poor old Jose Fonte out of the club kicking and screaming is hilarious and completely made up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thereisonlyonemickychannon Posted 22 September, 2022 Share Posted 22 September, 2022 14 hours ago, John B said: Puel had better players He would have been a hero if Saints had VAR during the League Cup Final 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Kent Saint Posted 22 September, 2022 Share Posted 22 September, 2022 Watching Saints under Puel was awful most of the time in the end it just petered out with no goals being scored . Watching Saints under Ralph is going the same way at the moment , so bad I couldn't watch the Villa game . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 22 September, 2022 Share Posted 22 September, 2022 The football was utterly horrific but we finished 8th and got to a cup final without conceding a goal on the way there. There's the whole "We were closer to 18th than 7th and all the other teams were crap" but you can use that kind of argument to downplay any sporting achievement. We still finished 8th and got to a cup final no matter which context you look at it in. Personally, I couldn't care less what brand of football is being played. I don't care about "being entertained" because that only lasts for 90 minutes, the feeling of winning lasts until the next game. When we sacked Puel, we saw how bad things could be with the awful Pellegrino who's football was actually very very very very very very slightly easier on the eye. It was still drab and awful but there were a few more diagonal balls than square balls but he was absolutely clueless and had no respect from the players. I think Puel falls into the same category as Ralph; An okay manager just not a great one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 22 September, 2022 Share Posted 22 September, 2022 The Villa game did remind me of Puelball, and not in a nice way. No forward momentum, no threat, no point, no fun to watch. I can take the odd 3-2 defeat if it's entertaining, but that run of 0-0 Claude draws and 1-0 gutless defeats was great for defensive coaches and bloody terrible for everyone else. For me, Ralph hasn't become consistently that dull yet, but he clearly needs to demonstrate progress and deliver points in the next couple of games. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northam soul Posted 22 September, 2022 Share Posted 22 September, 2022 The Leicester cup semifinal still pisses me off, that was worse than anything Puel served up. Was like a carbon copy of the Villa game with no intent shown going forward. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorchester Saint Posted 22 September, 2022 Share Posted 22 September, 2022 23 hours ago, Turkish said: boring old useless Claude Puel had a better win % than Super Ralph Managerial statistics[edit] As of match played 5 December 2021[37] Managerial record by team and tenure Team From To Record P W D L Win % Monaco 13 January 1999 30 June 2001 113 56 24 33 49.56 Lille 1 July 2002 17 June 2008 299 119 94 86 39.80 Lyon 18 June 2008 20 June 2011 156 76 44 36 48.72 Nice 23 May 2012 24 May 2016 169 69 38 62 40.83 Southampton 30 June 2016 14 June 2017 53 20 13 20 37.74 Leicester City 25 October 2017 24 February 2019 67 23 18 26 34.33 Saint-Étienne 4 October 2019 5 December 2021 88 26 23 39 29.55 Total 945 389 254 302 41.16 yEah bUt i wOuLd rAtHeR lOsE eVreY wEeK tHaN wAtCh a pUeL tEaM… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 22 September, 2022 Share Posted 22 September, 2022 6 minutes ago, Dorchester Saint said: yEah bUt i wOuLd rAtHeR lOsE eVreY wEeK tHaN wAtCh a pUeL tEaM… Puel, with half a season of Fonte and VVD, lost the same number of games as Ralph did last season, 16. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorchester Saint Posted 22 September, 2022 Share Posted 22 September, 2022 3 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: Puel, with half a season of Fonte and VVD, lost the same number of games as Ralph did last season, 16. Finished 8th and took us to Wembley with an inferior team….and was sacked for it, yet Teflon Ralph continues with his bonkers team selections and baffling tactics 🤷🏻♂️ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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