Fabrice Fernandes no.1 fan Posted 6 September, 2022 Share Posted 6 September, 2022 I've seen comments about the best players to play for Saints, and jokes about those we wished had never graced the Dell or St Marys, but I'm intrigued by who is deemed as the most average of Saint, and maybe even an average Saints 11. For me, it is someone whose quality for us was in the top flight, but in teams that finished in the lower half. Never quite nailed down a starting spot, but was helpful across a few seasons under a manager or two, and maybe a lower level international. Based on my criteria I think I have two distinctly average Saints to get the ball rolling: Danny Higginbotham, and Paul Telfer. Solid, dependable professional footballers but guaranteed to have never been picked by a fan to have their name and number on the back of a shirt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Posted 6 September, 2022 Share Posted 6 September, 2022 Fabrice Fernandes - definitely! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 6 September, 2022 Share Posted 6 September, 2022 Belmaldi, David Puckett, Mark Whitlock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 6 September, 2022 Share Posted 6 September, 2022 Kevin Bond 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 6 September, 2022 Share Posted 6 September, 2022 Mick Channon 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midfield_General Posted 6 September, 2022 Share Posted 6 September, 2022 Nathan Redmond, Alex McCarthy, Jack Stephens, Brett Ormerod, Chris Marsden, Paul Jones, Guly, Rory Delap, Simon Charlton, Micky Adams 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunglasses Ron Posted 6 September, 2022 Share Posted 6 September, 2022 (edited) Off the top of my head (which mainly still lives in the 90's): Gordon Watson Nicky Banger Dave Beasant (albeit with one really good season as number one) Edited 6 September, 2022 by Sunglasses Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeyboy Posted 6 September, 2022 Share Posted 6 September, 2022 GK - Maik Taylor RB - Paul Telfer CB - Richard Dyrden CB - Tahar El Khalej LB - Simon Charlton RM - Stuart Ripley CM - Neil Maddison CM - Rory Delap LM - Neil McCann ST - Brett Ormerod ST - Mark Hughes (for us) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintscummer Posted 6 September, 2022 Share Posted 6 September, 2022 Gerry Forrest Matthew Oakley Hassan Khadjloul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris cooper Posted 6 September, 2022 Share Posted 6 September, 2022 Alexi cheridnyik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurj Posted 6 September, 2022 Share Posted 6 September, 2022 Francis Benali Steve Baker Forbes PM Whitlock Juryeff Phuckett McCartney So many more if you go back 40 years or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sfcphilc Posted 6 September, 2022 Share Posted 6 September, 2022 2 hours ago, beatlesaint said: Belmaldi, David Puckett, Mark Whitlock. Used to work with Mark. Couldn't quite believe it when someone told me he used to play for Saints! Proper sound bloke. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midfield_General Posted 6 September, 2022 Share Posted 6 September, 2022 (edited) Neil Shipperley Jan Bednarek Edited 6 September, 2022 by Midfield_General Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 6 September, 2022 Share Posted 6 September, 2022 (edited) Jermaine Wright. The ultimate 5.5-6/10 player. Not top flight with us, but he was for Ipswich. Edited 6 September, 2022 by Colinjb 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellman Posted 6 September, 2022 Share Posted 6 September, 2022 Hugh Fisher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenilworthy Posted 6 September, 2022 Share Posted 6 September, 2022 Jo Tessem 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 6 September, 2022 Share Posted 6 September, 2022 Nick Holmes - constantly steady without being spectacular. Manny Andruszewski. Malcolm Waldron (won Player of the Season once) Fred Kemp. David Walker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 6 September, 2022 Share Posted 6 September, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Dellman said: Hugh Fisher Think his last minute equaliser v Villa in 1976 should elevate him as above average when looking back Edited 6 September, 2022 by Badger 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 6 September, 2022 Share Posted 6 September, 2022 Redmond! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 6 September, 2022 Share Posted 6 September, 2022 2 hours ago, Colinjb said: Jermaine Wright. The ultimate 5.5-6/10 player. Not top flight with us, but he was for Ipswich. No he was shite and not helped by the fact Burley seemed to build a team round him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 6 September, 2022 Share Posted 6 September, 2022 4 hours ago, Monkeyboy said: GK - Maik Taylor RB - Paul Telfer CB - Richard Dyrden CB - Tahar El Khalej LB - Simon Charlton RM - Stuart Ripley CM - Neil Maddison CM - Rory Delap LM - Neil McCann ST - Brett Ormerod ST - Mark Hughes (for us) I can never read Tahar's name without getting that stupid song about his new boots stuck in my head. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 6 September, 2022 Share Posted 6 September, 2022 8 minutes ago, The Cat said: I can never read Tahar's name without getting that stupid song about his new boots stuck in my head. Malik Taylor was good. A better keeper than Paul Jones. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 6 September, 2022 Share Posted 6 September, 2022 Claus Lundekvam David Prutton Graeme Le Saux (with us, at least) Iain Dowie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brussels Saint Posted 6 September, 2022 Share Posted 6 September, 2022 Mario Licka.....though not in the PL era. His wife however ....... absolutely tip top 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkshire Saint Posted 6 September, 2022 Share Posted 6 September, 2022 Ian Andrews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 6 September, 2022 Share Posted 6 September, 2022 benali Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 6 September, 2022 Share Posted 6 September, 2022 1 hour ago, Turkish said: Redmond! I agree, as you pointed out on another thread. I think, if we’re using this metric to mean literally average and not as a derogatory byword for substandard, I’d pick a team something like. Stekelenberg Telfer - Williams - Lundekvam - Le Saux Redmond - Anders - Romeu - S. Armstrong Tessem - Adams 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midfield_General Posted 6 September, 2022 Share Posted 6 September, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Yorkshire Saint said: Ian Andrews Literally the worst first-team goalkeeper we've ever had in my lifetime. Though run close by Chris Woods. Both made Dave Beasant look like Peter Schmeichel. Edited 6 September, 2022 by Midfield_General 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakovnetski Posted 6 September, 2022 Share Posted 6 September, 2022 Jordi Classie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patches O Houlihan Posted 6 September, 2022 Share Posted 6 September, 2022 Jack Cork 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 6 September, 2022 Share Posted 6 September, 2022 7 hours ago, Monkeyboy said: GK - Maik Taylor RB - Paul Telfer CB - Richard Dyrden CB - Tahar El Khalej LB - Simon Charlton RM - Stuart Ripley CM - Neil Maddison CM - Rory Delap LM - Neil McCann ST - Brett Ormerod ST - Mark Hughes (for us) McCant was too shit to be described as average. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 6 September, 2022 Share Posted 6 September, 2022 1 hour ago, Lighthouse said: I agree, as you pointed out on another thread. I think, if we’re using this metric to mean literally average and not as a derogatory byword for substandard, I’d pick a team something like. Stekelenberg Telfer - Williams - Lundekvam - Le Saux Redmond - Anders - Romeu - S. Armstrong Tessem - Adams very average. Well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 7 September, 2022 Share Posted 7 September, 2022 9 hours ago, Lighthouse said: I agree, as you pointed out on another thread. I think, if we’re using this metric to mean literally average and not as a derogatory byword for substandard, I’d pick a team something like. Stekelenberg Telfer - Williams - Lundekvam - Le Saux Redmond - Anders - Romeu - S. Armstrong Tessem - Adams Never describe Romeu as average 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzmeister Posted 7 September, 2022 Share Posted 7 September, 2022 Benali and Dodd, and to an extent Lundekvam were all average yet played together in a pretty decent defence. Maybe it was Killer who was the difference! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midfield_General Posted 7 September, 2022 Share Posted 7 September, 2022 John ‘Budgie’ Burridge. Massive show-off, very average goalkeeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 7 September, 2022 Share Posted 7 September, 2022 I'll do one for "average" in it's actual meaning and not "average" the way it's constantly thrown around these days meaning terrible. Here's my "not great, not shocking" Saints XI from my time of supporting the club (since 2005) Paul Smith Frazer Richardson Maya Yoshida Florran Gardos (wasn't as bad as everyone makes out) Joseph Mills Richard Chaplow* Jordy Clasie Nathan Dyer Kamil Kosowski Dexter Blackstock Peter Madsen* *Richard Chaplow's inclusion only takes into account his first spell with the club, I fully acknowledge that he was superb in his second spell and a huge part of what we achieved in his time here. If not allowed then replace with David Prutton * As for Peter Madsen, not sure if we can include loanees (if not then another reason why 2006 Chaplow would be kicked) then replace with Adam Armstrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 7 September, 2022 Share Posted 7 September, 2022 13 hours ago, Lighthouse said: I agree, as you pointed out on another thread. I think, if we’re using this metric to mean literally average and not as a derogatory byword for substandard, I’d pick a team something like. Stekelenberg Telfer - Williams - Lundekvam - Le Saux Redmond - Anders - Romeu - S. Armstrong Tessem - Adams Pardon?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Chuckle Posted 7 September, 2022 Share Posted 7 September, 2022 Not popular opinion i'm sure but Francis Benali was a bang average left back (and that's being kind) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 7 September, 2022 Share Posted 7 September, 2022 3 hours ago, whelk said: Never describe Romeu as average 31 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said: Pardon?! I liked him, just like Claus, Tessem and many other average players we’ve had, but let’s not kid ourselves. He was never on the radar for a big club and wasn’t as good as Morgan or Wanyama. He was a popular, Saints level player; nothing more, nothing less. Having said that, I’ve just remembered Hojbjerg. He can go there instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnersaint Posted 7 September, 2022 Share Posted 7 September, 2022 Hassan Kachloul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 7 September, 2022 Share Posted 7 September, 2022 1 hour ago, Winnersaint said: Hassan Kachloul But... the last game at the Dell? He deserves a place in history for that alone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Left Back Posted 7 September, 2022 Share Posted 7 September, 2022 I'm translating 'average' into players I really liked personally, who did a good job for saints but were not particularly valued by anyone more generally: GK - Peter Wells RB - Frazer Richardson LB - David Peach CB - Kevin Moore CB - Claus Lundekwam DM - Tommy Widdrington CM - Matt Oakley RM - Paul Gilchrist LM - Neil Heaney CF - Lee Barnard CF - Brett Ormerod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 7 September, 2022 Share Posted 7 September, 2022 50 minutes ago, The Left Back said: I'm translating 'average' into players I really liked personally, who did a good job for saints but were not particularly valued by anyone more generally: GK - Peter Wells RB - Frazer Richardson LB - David Peach CB - Kevin Moore CB - Claus Lundekwam DM - Tommy Widdrington CM - Matt Oakley RM - Paul Gilchrist LM - Neil Heaney CF - Lee Barnard CF - Brett Ormerod Appreciate the criteria you’ve set but I think David Peach was certainly’above Average’. Although in the 2nd Division he was an outstanding LB for us,and goalscorer (penalties especially of course). I always felt he was the best LB in the country for a couple of years (no bias in my teenage years of course). It was unfortunate really that his peak years were in Div 2. Doubt that we’d be able to keep a player of his standout quality in The second tier now (and probably not EPL for that matter). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsweet87 Posted 8 September, 2022 Share Posted 8 September, 2022 On 06/09/2022 at 14:52, Monkeyboy said: Neil Maddison My first thought as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Left Back Posted 8 September, 2022 Share Posted 8 September, 2022 19 hours ago, Badger said: Appreciate the criteria you’ve set but I think David Peach was certainly’above Average’. Although in the 2nd Division he was an outstanding LB for us,and goalscorer (penalties especially of course). I always felt he was the best LB in the country for a couple of years (no bias in my teenage years of course). It was unfortunate really that his peak years were in Div 2. Doubt that we’d be able to keep a player of his standout quality in The second tier now (and probably not EPL for that matter). Agreed, Peach was the first left back I followed and loved him.. I was happy with the line up apart from left back. As I've posted before, and hence my user name, we've been blessed with left backs since I have started watching us play and I struggled to find an 'average' one. Most on my mind are too good, some not good enough, for the average tag. Perhaps Derek Statham? But he was a legend at WBA so not sure he qualifies on my criteria. Actually, just seen Simon Charlton on someone's list. He'll do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydney_saint Posted 8 September, 2022 Share Posted 8 September, 2022 On 06/09/2022 at 16:55, Colinjb said: Jermaine Wright. The ultimate 5.5-6/10 player. Not top flight with us, but he was for Ipswich. This is where my mind instantly went as well. Would also add Higginbotham, Baird, Yoshida, McCann, Skacel (wasn't a bad player, but never hit the hype). Not sure whether to include Rasiak. Was very good championship, but a bang average footballer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toussaint Posted 8 September, 2022 Share Posted 8 September, 2022 Where does Mickey Evans sit I wonder? He wasn't very good, but his little goal scoring spree kept us up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabrice Fernandes no.1 fan Posted 8 September, 2022 Author Share Posted 8 September, 2022 (edited) On 07/09/2022 at 10:21, Bad Wolf said: I'll do one for "average" in it's actual meaning and not "average" the way it's constantly thrown around these days meaning terrible. Here's my "not great, not shocking" Saints XI from my time of supporting the club (since 2005) Paul Smith Frazer Richardson Maya Yoshida Florran Gardos (wasn't as bad as everyone makes out) Joseph Mills Richard Chaplow* Jordy Clasie Nathan Dyer Kamil Kosowski Dexter Blackstock Peter Madsen* *Richard Chaplow's inclusion only takes into account his first spell with the club, I fully acknowledge that he was superb in his second spell and a huge part of what we achieved in his time here. If not allowed then replace with David Prutton * As for Peter Madsen, not sure if we can include loanees (if not then another reason why 2006 Chaplow would be kicked) then replace with Adam Armstrong. This is sort of what I had in mind! I've been a fan since 02, so have a few more prem years, so this team seems a little weak to me in places. I think mind would be: Alan Blayney Richardson Yoshida Higginbotham Fox Telfer Cork Quashie Elyonoussi Ormerod Rasiak I think that team probably gets relegated, but has some Edited 8 September, 2022 by Fabrice Fernandes no.1 fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 8 September, 2022 Share Posted 8 September, 2022 Redmond? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBizzier69 Posted 8 September, 2022 Share Posted 8 September, 2022 not sure where the Le Saux thing has come from.....he regained some of his best form with us....i don't recall him being just average at Saints. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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